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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 8, 2014

I’m hard pressed to remember a Giant who has ever more enjoyed being a Giant than this guy does right now:


The Mets are not very good. They bumbled the game away last night. But as Pagan said, you have to take advantage of your opponents mistakes. Advantage: Giants.


Regarding the Belmont Stakes yesterday: Kudos to DJ Loo who called out the owners as jackasses over a week ago. Yesterday, Coburn did a “slowburn” on national tv giving everyone a taste of what Loo had already told us about. People talk about winning all the time, how important it is, how great it feels. But one thing I learned at the youngest of ages was how to lose with dignity. Coburn and his cohorts showed they don’t know how to do that.

Did he have a point? Sort of, I guess. His trainer, Art Sherman, has been getting interviewed by Sam Spear every Sunday morning on KNBR for the last 12 weeks. I’ve caught most of those interviews and just 3 weeks ago Sherman was saying the same thing that Coburn said yesterday. Now, he didn’t say it in the loser way that Coburn did, but he was lamenting the fact that horses shouldn’t be allowed to skip certain triple crown races and target others. So I’m not sure if Sherman got it from Coburn or the other way around, but the connections for Chrome have been doing a slow burn about this for a while………

But here’s the deal, there are a lot of things about the triple crown I’d change before Coburn’s half-baked ideas. For starters, they should space the 3 races out to at least a month between each race. Maybe more than a month. I don’t want to hear about “history” and messing with “that’s always the way it’s been.” It has ALWAYS been irresponsible to force three year old still-developing horses to grind out 3 races in 5 weeks. It’s like asking a 12 year old to start lifting weights every day. Spacing the races out better would give the Derby winner (and/or the Preakness winner) adequate time to recover. I don’t have a problem with horses skipping races and looking for the best spots. If they’re laying in the weeds waiting for a vulnerable horse like Chrome, so be it. You can’t force a horse to run all three races, that’s ignoring the health of the horse and it’s the right of the owner and trainer to find the best race for each horse. Distance, location, current health and quality of opponent all factor into that. These animals only have so many bullets to fire in a career. If the connections for Tonalist thought the mile and a half Belmont was the best of the 3 races for them to try to win, that’s their right.

In summary, I see where Coburn is coming from, it’s a little unfair that a horse that doesn’t have the points to run in the Derby be allowed to run in the Belmont. But he looked like a loser ranting about it 5 seconds after he lost and the real issue is how these 3 races are stacked together, it’s not about the number of points a horse has or doesn’t have…..

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  1. willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:25 am

    Mets definitely threw this one away, literally, but that’s their problem. On rare Hudson off night they come back again with timely hits.
    Bad as his inning started off, Kontos pitched out of things and held NY to only 1 run and rest of pen shut them down and allowed team to come back. I’m not a big Kontos fan but he did a great job working his way out of a jam. Lopez even got RHs out.

    Like Chi I missed most of the game. I was at HS grad party/cue for a girl who helped me coach for last 3 years while she played HS ball and on a successful club team. She’s headed to UC school just like a friend who did the same things and also helped me out. Public school kids from great families, who give up precious free time to volunteer and help others out while maintaining high education standards. Both great examples of you get out of things what you put into them.

  2. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:29 am

    I went out with some friends shortly after Hudson seemingly flamed out in the 1st few innings. Game over. I thought. Fast forward this morning . . . They won? Wow!!!!!!!!?????? Read how it happened and am amazed. Pagan is a stud and Morse is a Jedi Knight . . . Well, Amy (who normally I don’t care for) explains it better in this Tweet:

    Amy Gutierrez
    These were issued to the entire #SFGiants team. #MayTheMorseBeWithYou campaign! @Mcode38 @juan_perez24 pic.twitter.com/lhUrjtrfjK

    I want one of these shirts!

    • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      Really? You haven’t figured out that these guys can rally in any game. Hell, they’ve done it again today.

  3. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Dunno about horses, except two things:

    1. Down with what Flavor and Loo said; and,

    2. The words to the Mr. Ed theme song . . .

    A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
    And no one can talk to a horse of course
    That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

    Go right to the source and ask the horse
    He’ll give you the answer that you’ll endorse.
    He’s always on a steady course.
    Talk to Mr. Ed.

    People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
    But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.

    A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
    And this one’ll talk ’til his voice is hoarse.
    You never heard of a talking horse?

    Well listen to this.

    I am Mister Ed.

    • Nipper said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:50 am


  4. paulinasia said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Yeah, these guys are having fun. I watched that recap video 5 times because it was FUN. Fun equates to winning, and winning equates to fun. In short, they’re playing well as a team by each player just doing his job. I know there’s a LOT of anti-New England/Boston sentiment here on the Flap, but Bill Belichick instilled this aspect of “do your job and the team will win” years ago. The Pats were the first team to be introduced as a team in the Super Bowl a dozen years ago because each player knew his job and they did it for the team.

    Huddy had a lousy night for the first time, but he did his job and kept the team in the game. Pagan, our own Angel in the outfield, did his job by lofting a soft hit to left to drive in 2 runs and keep them in the game, and then legged out an improbable advance to 1st base after a strike out, and then legged out a great run of 120 feet on Pence’s double. That Pence double was just what the team needed. Posey sucked with the bases loaded all night, but he got the productive out in the 9th moving Pence to 3rd. And then Morse knew he just had to drive the ball, and he did, and that’s the ballgame. “All they do is win”, Krukow said. Up and down the lineup, on any given night, each player is doing his job. Very special this year so far.

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:48 am

      Not that it matters, but that’s 270 feet first to home for Pagan. Every time he does a stress run like that I’m hoping that hammy holds up…

  5. twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Colburn :If you don’t like the rules, work to get them changed. But I don’t really think he had as much of a problem with the rules as he did with losing. He ruined the day . Tonalist was already almost forgotten in what was supposed to be Chrome’s coronation , Colburn took all of the joy out of the day. Did you see his wife trying to stop him? I think she had to have been mortified as her husband ranted on.
    The ride: I’m no expert, but the experts disagreed-I’m going with Expert #2, at least in part. Espinoza had the rail, navigating his way to the far outside took too much out of his horse IMO. When they did get there, Chrome seemed poised to win. Espinoza was where he wanted to be but with his horse out of gas. You run the race how it sets up, not with an inflexible plan.
    Morse: as I might have mentioned before, I thought it was a dumb pick up.: injury prone, terrible defender. he’ll give away as much as he produces. But he’s been the main difference. Well, one of them- Hudson of course, Vogey’s unlikely turnaround, but probably Pagan most of all. He had already changed my mind in 2012, but he’s MVP caliber so far this year. Best defense I’ve seen him play, he’s running better, hitting better than he ever has- he makes it all go. They need some bench help but they’re so solid that I don’t see a challenger in the West. The two best teams in baseball, right here. Awesome.

  6. willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 8:51 am

    TL today, with Hector at C, day game after night game yada yada. Lurie after the Reds opener where Hector and Tim had some issues with Hamilton and others, wondered about C position in general (preferably less Hector) until Belt returns end of month. Giants do not have day off until 16th, home games all week vs. Nats and Sherps before trip to Windy vs. ChiSox and AZ which starts 10 games in consecutive days with last 7 at home Pads and Reds.

    Kind of surprised Posey swung at ball 4 with sacks loaded when I thought SF was gonna wrap it up right there, but all worked out eventually and his SF advanced Pence. Gotta wonder why Collins walked Pablo but chose to face Morse team leader in rbis with Colvin on deck and 1 out, but hey that’s his problem.

    Posey and Crawford have eerily similar offensive numbers while playing demanding defensive position.
    Posey: .270/.338/413 .751 OPS 8 HRs/29 rbi 12 XBH in 196 ABs (over .300 in month of June)
    Crawf: .244/.314/437 .754 OPS 7 HRs/31 rbi 21 XBH in 197 ABs

    At home, Posey batting .218 with .635 OPS road .326 with .876 OPS .356 slugging at home .474 road
    At home, Craw batting .271 with .770 OPS road .218 5 of 7 HRs on road but higher slugging at home .456

    With all the home games coming up, I’m interested to see how this plays out and how numbers move either way.

  7. stickman said, on June 8, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Amazing win. We gotta enjoy it now because magical mystery tours like game two vs the Mutts cannot last. That said, this team is good enough to keep playing well over .500 ball unless the dam busts and the creek floods the valley. Major injuries would be the major hoodoo. With both Casilla and Belt due to return in the foreseeable future we could b e looking at one of the most successful SF teams ever. Wainwright’s statement about facing “murderer’s row” when coming up against the Giants lineup was truly a remarkable admission. This is a team with no serious visible holes, perhaps a team for the ages.

  8. chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Awesome thread, Flavor. I agree, I would have to think long and hard to come up with a past Giant who loves rocking the Orange and Black like Morse. I love it.

    RE: Coburn – I don’t agree with the delivery of his message (he displayed absolutely NO tact). While I may not agree with his suggestion 100%, like you, I do believe there needs to be changes similar to what you suggested (and I heard the Sam Spear piece on KNBR a few weeks back). Truly a bummer that Chrome didn’t get it done, because asshole owners or not, California Chrome was a good story. A horse for the working class folks. And Coburn’s rant in no way takes away from the beauty of the story of Chrome, IMO.

    Last night I paused the game while it was in the 8th (had some things I had to take care of). So when I came back to finish watching the game, after Pagan got on beating out the dropped-ball on the K, I just had a feeling the Giants were going to spin magic once again. And when Pence drilled the double down the line and Pagan scored, it just reaffirmed that feeling even more so.

    What a team effort. While Hudson struggled, he and the eight behind him did what they needed to keep the game close, and the bullpen kept that theme going. Pagan with the big hit to get the G-men within a run (Pagan on base five times last night). Pagan again with the hustle on the K. Pence with the rope down the line, Posey with the productive out to move Pence to third, and after Pablo draws the intentional, Morse with the walk-off.

    The Giants have won quite a few fun games this year, but to me this one was the absolute best win to date. This team just will not quit. Quitting is not in their vocabulary.

    Interesting match-up today…Wheeler vs Timmy. As I said on the last thread…time to sweep the Metrololitans butts back to NY.


    • twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:15 am

      It wasn’t just a lack of tact, IMO, it was that he trashed the owner of the winning horse- who was playing by the rules. He had no business saying anything but congratulations to the winner and taking his beef up with the powers that be. It matters not one iota if he was right or wrong. Again, this is just my opinion, as always I’m open to hearing other opinions, as wrong as they may be…

      • Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:24 am

        Agree with you. Calling him a coward was over the top. The horse has a foot problem, what does Colbrun want him to do? Run an unsound horse?

      • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:02 pm

        Well, I didn’t see the entire post-game commentary. Call it what you want….I disagree with the way the man handled the situation. But still a feel good story with the horse.

  9. chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Let’s go Giants. It’ll be Pagan and Posey off the bench…

    1) Gregor Blanco (L) CF
    2) Hunter Pence (R) RF
    3) Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
    4) Michael Morse (R) 1B
    5) Hector Sanchez (S) C
    6) Tyler Colvin (L) LF
    7) Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    8) Brandon Hicks (R) 2B
    9) Tim Lincecum (L) P

  10. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Mets lead the NL in taking walks. They’re the A’s of the NL in that dept., as we saw last night. Not good news for Timmy. He needs to get some command ealy, else he’ll be throwing 75 pitches by the third inning. Will be interesting to see this Wheeler kid…

    • blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm

      Wheeler has been up and down this season, sometimes outstanding (see last week) and sometimes putrid. He definitely has a lot of talent, but has control issues like Timmy . . . I live and die with Wheeler in 2 of my fantasy leagues (however, today – I am rooting for Timmy. Even started him in a Fan Duel contest).

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      Giants are 8th in taking walks so far in NL. I like that.
      Last season pre-AS break they were 11th, 2012 pre-AS break they were 13th. Being more selective helps…

  11. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Hudson was just off his feed last night — that happens. He still kept the lid on to just 3 runs given up. When you’re off kilter and that’s the worst you do, that’s a pro, a battler, in action. Encouraging performance, IMO, at his age. He could have blown up, but didn’t. Mets bonehead base-running helped, sure, but winners take advantage of the opponents mistakes, and he did…

    • salty said, on June 8, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      Hopefully you’re right, but we don’t know if it was just a bad night or if this will now occur more frequently. He’s 38. His era the last 2 yrs averaged 3.75. Pitching at ATT should help, but we shouldn’t expect him to continue to dominate like he did the first 11 starts.

      • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        Yep, his age isn’t a plus. But, not throwing for his injured second half of last season should help his arm keep strong this season…

  12. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Oy. Beach Blanket Babylon singing the National Anthem. Is that usually a bad omen for the game?…

    • blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:05 pm

      No idea. I would imagine SF has had weirder singer(s).

  13. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Hector’s throws to second have been crap lately…

  14. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    The usual first inning crap from Timmy…

  15. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:15 pm


  16. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    I really feel bad for Timmy. First and foremost, the dude has always been a stand up guy – even though he has had so much success in his career – he’s always been gracious/humble. Consequently, this shit has to discombobulate his mind and spiritual well-being. No idea how he handles this stuff in his off time, but I sincerely hope he is taking care of himself.

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:30 pm

      I’m glad you said that, blade. Absolutely true. He’s never blamed anybody else for his slide. He stands there after crappy starts and takes the media questions. And, he should at his pay grade. I have no reason to think he hasn’t tried very hard to figure this stuff out, and continues to do so. I just think it’s obviously not working, and he should try something radically different this coming offseason. He just cannot seem to consistently locate a friggin fastball to save his life. You can’t be very successful pitching that way…

      • blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:40 pm

        Agree. These guys have a lot of time and money. Not his dad, but he needs to be very cognizant of overindulging in alcohol, drugs and women. I think he is an even keeled person, but who knows what’s up in his darkest moments?

  17. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Why not a safety squeeze here with Lincecum up? My usual rant…

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm

      Aaaaaand, a useless strike out with men on 2nd and 3rd…

  18. Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Hicks is a fucking buffoon. 3-0 with th P up next and he k’s? On a ball that was 4 feet outside? Idiotic at bat, worst I’ve seen this year

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:55 pm

      If he doesn’t start getting his stuff together more than hitting near the Mendoza line, the bloom could come off his rose. If Sabes is looking for anything at the deadline, it could be a second base alternative…

  19. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Great 2-out AB by Blanco for the RBIs. Then he gets himself stupidly out at third with hot Pence standing there ready to take his AB. What’s wrong with taking your double and be happy to be in scoring position? I’m not on TV, so I don’t know if Flannery held up the stop sign or if Blanco even looked at him…

    • twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm

      They’ve been running on Granderson all weekend.

  20. willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Nice bounce back inning from tim after Giants take the lead.
    Wheeler doesn’t look like anything special. He’s all over the place and is lucky blanco got greedy. just beaned Pence, apparently on purpose. Hope SF knocks this chump out. If mgr. called that he woke up wrong guy(s).

  21. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    I’m no soccer fan, but I’ll pay some attention when the World Cup goes on. Some of the stuff about the World Cup is amusing. Cameroon players refused to get on the plane to fly to Brazil because they hadn’t agreed on how much money they’d get from the country’s soccer federation. Apparently they wanted way more than the 68K Euros apiece the federation tendered. I didn’t know this, but each of the 32 countries gets a base $8 million from FIFA just for showing up and playing in the first round. The more your team advances into the knockout rounds, the higher the team payoff. Spain won the Cup in 2010, and pulled in $35 million. That’s pretty good incentive to play, even with these guys. Can you imagine the graft that goes on with most of these country federations? No wonder the players in these 3rd world nations want guaranteed dough before they play. After the FIFA payment works its way down the trough with hands grabbing cash, there might not be much left. And $8 million seems low to me…

  22. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    We were talking the other day about all the rounds in the MLB draft, whether they’re necessary.
    In the 28th round of this draft, though he hasn’t played baseball since high school, the Pads took Johnny Manziel…

    • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:33 pm

      What a fucking waste of a draft pick. Total fucking idiocy on the part of the Friars. So for their dumbass choice, some kid who really wants to play (long shot, or not) won’t get the chance.

  23. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Did he say 99 MPH?

  24. Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Slowly closing in on being done with Hicks. “Nothing else available” is a deterrent to dropping him out of a plane over Fresno, I admit

    • willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      I’ve said all along Sabes will do something to address 2b if things don’t pan out. Hicks appears to be forcing his hand. Obviously the pitch he let go for called third second time up was a lot better than the one he swung at first time up.

  25. Nipper said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Timmy got a hit! News at Six……

  26. willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Wow, that’s embarrassing. wheeler is knocked out of the game by Lincecum’s first hit of the entire year.
    As one of the guys on cbs game blog said, he might eventually be good, but he’s got a ways to go yet. His underperforming offense gave him a 2-0 first inning lead and he couldn’t hold it/finish 4 innings.

  27. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Is Crawford positioning the infield? If so, Timmy can thank him for having Hicks play behind the bag.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      Doesn’t Wotus handle that?

      • blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        Dunno Mike. On the hit behind the 2nd base bag, it seemed like Hicks didn’t even move to make the play.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        Well, I just know that setting up the infield alignment is Wotus’ job, not Crawford’s. But I’m not going to argue it.

      • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:36 pm

        You’re right Mike…Wotus sets the IF.

  28. Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Eveland? This should be launching pad time

  29. twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    2 cops and a civilian killed in a Las Vegas shooting. Suspects then killed themselves.


  30. twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    In less important news, Derek Law was throwing 94-98 and then left game holding his forearm ( tweet from Pavlovic)

    • twinfan1 said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      Sorry, tweet was from Jason Parks, a writer for Baseball Prospectus

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      That’s no bueno

  31. dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 8, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Just catching up with today’s game. That’s about as close as you’ll ever see Pence to going ballistic. Bush move by Wheeler.

    • Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      Do we know what that was all about? Seemed totally intentional but why? Pence seemed to want to know, too

  32. Macdog said, on June 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Sweep the Mets, sweep the Mets.

  33. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Nice comeback win. Got the sweep as well. Last, but not least – I’m glad to see Timmy settle down and get a win. Sheesh, this is frickin’ weird not being in perpetual torture mode. 🙂

  34. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    At this point, I’ll take 6 frames and 3 earnies from Lincecum every time out. Maybe a crap first inning is just what happens now for him, until he finds some kind of rhythm. Try to limit the early damage there and then move on. He only walked one. In 13 Timmy starts, the squad is 9-4, so I’ll take that all day long, it is more than arguable that whatever his ERA is, he usually keeps the team in the game…

  35. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Hicks with 3 straight Ks, then a clutch single to knock in the insurance RBI in the 8th. His season so far in a nutshell…

    • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:43 pm

      I’m not down on Hicks like some of you. Really, you are talking a 7 or 8 hole hitter. He is 3rd on the team in HRs, 6th in RBIs, 4th in RBIs with 2 out, RISP. So yeah, his average is below the Mendoza, the dude is producing, and producing in the clutch. And he plays a decent 2nd…not spectacular, but certainly not an embarrassment. But I agree, that will be one area in which I think Sabean will try to improve.

  36. Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Manny Machado is a little bitch. He doesn’t like getting tagged like you’re supposed to tag someone running out of the base paths? He overreacted yesterday and he overreacted today with a ball that didn’t even hit him. Throwing your bat? What a fucking pussy, I hope the A’s drill him in the ribs the next 5 times they see him.

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      Saw the highlight, clearly throwing the bat intentionally at the SS or 3rd sacker. That is total BS, agreed and very dangerous. Am I mistaken or is there some kind of epidemic of juvenile BS behavior going on this season generating these stupid tit for tat “brawls”…

      • Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 6:16 pm

        Last night, Machado got tagged between 2nd and 3rd by Donaldson, he tagged him like you’re supposed to do it so you don’t miss. With enough force to show the ump you got him. Machado lost his balance, threw his helmet and got in Donaldson’s grill, benches cleared. Made himself look like a dipshit actually.
        So instead of just letting his dipshit move go, he overreacts AGAIN today when the A’s pitcher comes inside. It didn’t hit him, and even if it did it would have barely grazed his back shin.
        So this dipfuck decides to launch his bat on the next pitch in the direction of the 3rd baseman (who wasn’t even Donaldson) to put the exclamation point on him being DipFuck of the Weekend.

  37. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Nats coming in are on a mini roll. Their pitching has been very good on this roadie. This next series will be a thermometer of seeing how this Giant juggernaut does against a good club. Mets can pitch a little, but they’re a bad baseball team. I didn’t get at all when the Mets manager took out the RHP that was just dealing late today (Torres?) for a lefty to face Crawford, and Crawford immediately ropes the double to deep left center. Crawford has been smoking LHP way more than RHP all year. Overmanaging or clueless managing…

    • Flavor said, on June 8, 2014 at 6:12 pm

      I’m still trying to figure out why they had their #1 left handed PH bullet pinch hitting in the 5th. And, Timmy k’d his ass.

    • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:47 pm

      I vote clueless managing on that one…

  38. paulinasia said, on June 8, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    Note to Snarkk… yeah, I have no idea where that 120-foot comment came from. It was late, I’d had some cheap Chinese wine…. 🙂

  39. stickman said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    Halloween Machine just keeps on a rollin. .667 on a 42-21 record with 99 to go. One game over .,500 the rest of the way and they go 92-60. They may better that.

    Sweet to sweep. Ok, so it was the Mutts, currently holding that monicker on the ‘strength’ of general disorganiztion topped off with a dash of slap. Not quite a bad team, but one of those mediocre ones that championship clubs usually brush off like a mess of midges.

    Check out the pitching. Two former Giants first round picks. At this stage of his development the Mets still have not got much return on Beltran. Did Sabean’s scoutlng and development folks know something. Now 2-6 Wheeler sports a WHIP of 1.40 and an ERA of 4.17. Timmy’s line: Six, 6, 3, 3 earnies, lone whole walk and 6 special K’s. Now with his fifth win vs 4 L’s we could say that #55 had him a quality start today. So what if this was the Mutts and his ERA currently rides at 4.97. Effectually Timmy is our #5 starter and his performance today is about as good as that slot gets for almost any team out there.

    -Gutierrez: one inning, 1 hit, no walks, l K with a 0-.90 Whip and a 2.93 ERA.
    -Affeldt: 0.2 IP, 2 hits, one earnie, no walks and one K. Whipping @ 1.14 and an ERA at 1.71
    -Machi: 0.1,000 and featuring a WHIP of 0.75 and an ERA cresting the South Pole at 0.32.
    -Lopez 0 IP, one walk (pulled by Bochy for that sin) but with readings of 1.15 and 1.38
    -Romo earned his big Two/Zero save with one IP, a flock of zeroes and 2 K’s and a 0.77 and a 3.12

    To make the point here are WHIPS and ERAs for the Mets relievers: 0.43 with 2.93; 1.33 and 3.70; 1.42 and 2.84; 1.98 with 5.93; and 1.38 and 1.13. By baseball standards over the years the NY bullpen is not at all bad, in fact better than average. By comparison the SF pen is downright obscene.

    Offensively, it was the “little guys” who did most of the damage today. White Shark attack as El Tiburon Blanco drives in three on two hits. His unindictded co-conspirators included Crawford and Hicks mainly, with Hector, Colvin and even Adrianza chipping in. Reverend Underpants got into the run production thing too, but mostly the cast today consisted of the mice that roared. CrawDaddy is really racking the ribbies as designated Scorpion, our stinger at the tail. He keeps up the current pace and he should drive in 80 or so. Not bad for maybe the second best offensive SS in the league.

    Once again this is some kinda year to be a Giants fan. Lets see if the Nats can put up much of a fight.

    • DJLoo said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:33 pm

      If you’re not Stixwiz, I’m Manute Bol…

    • paulinasia said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      He definitely is, Loo. Just wondering why he hasn’t ‘fessed to that… 🙂

    • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      I have asked a number of times and am completely convinced this is Stixwix.

  40. zumiee said, on June 8, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Nice revenge for last year when the Mets swept the Giants at AT&T. Wheeler shut the Giants down last season.
    Nice series coming up against the Nats. I’d take a split. 3-1 would be really groovy. The Dodgers go to Cincy. The Reds should give them a good series.

    I don’t get why the Mets’ Collins pitched to Morse in the 9th inning on Saturday night. Why not walk him and go after Colvin? Morse with a pulled-in outfield? Get outta here! 🙂

    I tried to watch the NBA finals tonight, but I don’t like either team, and it got old quickly.

    I read an article about the Texas high school pitcher drafted #2. The team exec said something like: “He reminds us of Nolan Ryan.” Really? The Nolan Ryan that threw 7 no-hitters and 12 one-hitters?
    Nothing like hyping a draft pick!

    • DJLoo said, on June 8, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      Well anyone can have 19 good games in 27 years…

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      There’s always some Texas phenom pitcher since David Clyde…

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      zum, I think the reason he walked Panda and pitched to Morse was that Morse had had a coupla ground outs last night, and a K, I think. So, he wasn’t dialed in, plus he’s a very slow runner, thus easy to double up with Pablo on a grounder. Not totally out in the ozone for planning…

      • willedav said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm

        I had wondered same thing as zum. Your choice is Morse or Colvin? WTF? bochy had used up Hector as PH already. Sacks loaded you can come right to plate for a force to get second out too.
        I also wonder if Collins had anything to do with Pence getting plunked in the ribs today. If he did he’s even more an idiot than I thought.
        If not, then Wheeler needs to grow up. He’s lucky he was pitching so poorly and wasn’t going to get a chance to bat for himself.

  41. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Do sports fans really care that much about these NBA finals? With all this good baseball stuff going on, and the Stanley Cup Finals. The radio sports networks seem to cover nothing but Lebron. I could give a rat’s patoot who wins. And, if I were the NHL, I’d change my schedule so my finals don’t coincide with the NBA finals. NHL is buried as the 4th sport anyway, to have its finals the same time as the NBA is dumb…

  42. blade3colorado said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    I can’t believe we have Flappers here who don’t realize that Stickman is Stixwiz (first name, Carstie). Hilarious. 🙂

  43. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    Why would Wheeler have intentionally hit Pence? I don’t remember any BS from last night’s game — must have missed something…

  44. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Betting odds on USA winning World Cup: 250:1.
    That’s sounds too optimistic to me…

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:11 pm

      Now I’m seeing as low as 100:1…

  45. sportdude said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    ” 2014’s “All they do is win”…..2014’s Torture”

    Amazing to see 21 games over .500 with the production they are getting from Posey and Pablo and Belt out…

  46. chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Yeah, I wondered about that too (motivation for Pence getting drilled in the ribs). Whatever the reason, total bullshit. I know some will disagree, but someone on the Mets should have been drilled.

    So, if Casilla continues to progress as he has, he’ll be back in less than two weeks. Who is the short man out when he returns? My guess is Kontos. And then they’ll have another decision/move to make when Belt returns.

    • snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:06 pm

      Has to be Kontos, no other choice IMO. Belt gets back, Adrianza has to go, waivers or not. Every time I see the kid play, I don’t see what is the big deal if he’s claimed on waivers. Unless Craw gets hurt, I don’t see why Adrianza is on the team, and Arias can play short. Both of em have equally bad bats right now, but Arias has played in the playoffs, and Adrianza has made some silly plays in the field…

      • chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:34 pm

        Agree, snarkk (on Adrianza).

  47. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Through 61 games and 268 PAs, Panik has an .821 OPS at Fresno with 3 HRs. In contrast, for 62 games, Gary Brown’s OPS is at .701…

  48. snarkk said, on June 8, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Sept is a rough month schedule, all NL West save one series. 15 on the road, including 3 at Tigers, with 10 at home, finishing with 4 at ATT v. the Padres. Definitely pad the lead now…

  49. chipower9 said, on June 8, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    Hmmm…wonder what it would take? Anyone gun shy about taking another aging second-sacker?


    • DJLoo said, on June 9, 2014 at 3:40 am

      Why be gunshuy? It’s our proven championship formula…

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