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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 29, 2014

I barely have the interest to change the thread. I can’t remember a worse homestand. I don’t think I can remember a worse June considering we had so many home games this month. No runs. No hope. No more Romo. Please. This Flapper’s dauber is down about as low as you can go…..

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  1. snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I’m trying to remember whether there was a worse home stretch in the Dark Ages of the 2005-2008 period. I don’t think so. And those teams were baaaaad. Way worse than this team. This may be sacrilege, but Bochy and the coaches wear some of this. Bochy is not a good manager when it comes to manufacturing a win. When you need a win desperately, like last night, and it’s within your grasp, like it was last night in the bottom of the 9th with nobody out and two men on, you don’t just wait for something to happen. You make it happen, or go down trying. Yeah, Chapman is throwing gas. So, you try a squeeze bunt with nobody out. Arias has done squat this season as a player, and particularly as a PHer. The chances of him getting a hit or sac fly were dismal. So, let Hector try a bunt, or if you think he can’t perform, you can PH Arias in there for Hector first, and try a bunt. If the Reds smell the bunt and intentionally walk Arias, fine. You’ve got bases loaded, you can have Crawford try a suicide bunt, or let him hit away for the sac fly or hit. He’s got far more pop than Arias for the fly. You leave Crawford in against the lefty, because he’s hitting 150 points better against lefties than Arias, even though the league lefties have done S against Chapman. You don’t give an S what the league lefties are doing, you pay attention to what YOUR guys have been doing. You just do, because even if Crawford whiffs, at least he knows he’s got the manager’s confidence. He’s your damn starting SS, and he’s raked against lefties this year. You let him hit, not a bench jockey hitting friggin .178 just because he’s right handed. Plus, if Crawford is pulled, and Arias doesn’t win it for you, chances are you’re going to extras without your best defensive SS out there. Just dumb, and uncreative managing…

    • wswins said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:00 am

      I don’t often agree with you snarkk but this time in regards to pinch hitting for Crawford, major head scratcher. If he wanted Arias in the game he could’ve run for Sandoval. Maybe Posey’s double would have won it if he did.

      And Flavor, I’m with you, I’m about as low as I’ve ever been following them.

  2. twinfan1 said, on June 29, 2014 at 10:57 am

    1. Gregor Blanco (L) CF

    2. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    3. Buster Posey (R) C

    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    5. Michael Morse (R) LF

    6. Adam Duvall (R) 1B

    7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS

    8. Joe Panik (L) 2B

    9. Tim Hudson (R) P

  3. snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Positives from last night were Cain yo yoing back into a fine effort, relievers other than Romo getting it done, and Panik performing. Goes without saying they desperately need this win today. Bochy needs to pull out all the stops to make it happen. Some Giant needs to go yard, and I’m thinking somebody will, maybe Posey and somebody else, lets make it two. If there’s a closing situation, no way in hell Romo closes…

    • James said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:15 am

      Machi didn’t look so great, of course.

      • snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:22 am

        I wouldn’t use Machi to close, even when he was nails before these last two poor outings. Casilla has closed before. Let him try again…

  4. James said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Bochy probably went with Arias because he doesn’t K a lot. Crawford whiffs once every 5 PAs, and he’s facing Chapman . . . .

    I tried to find a comment I made a long time ago suggesting that at some point in his career Romo would turn into Byung Hyun Kim. Bummer, Sergio’s been a favorite of mine for a while. The bigger issue isn’t whether he closes or not — if he continues to pitch this way, he’ll be doing nearly as much damage in the 7th and 8th innings.

    • snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:17 am

      Bochy said postgame that he went with Arias because the league stats told him LHBs didn’t hit Chapman. The stats told me that Arias doesn’t hit LHPs, or anybody else. Yeah, Romo is throwing hit me pitches up there, they’ll get hit in whatever inning he throws. Maybe he needs some time on the DL. Compared to Romo right now, I’d rather watch Kontos get battered a little, or bring Hembree up…

      • twinfan1 said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:25 am

        Hembree is in AAA for the third year and he’s not getting better. Casilla is the next closer. Or better be. Hell,
        J.C. is inching up the ladder. Romo is now the worst reliever on the team.
        All in my opinion. of course.

  5. willedav said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:14 am

    I dunno I don’t blame bochy or anyone. I’m not into blame game and roasting someone over the coals every time you lose a game. The best teams are going to lose 70-75 every year. Trying to bunt a guy that throws 100 ain’t easy, and Hector Sanchez would be the last guy I’d ask. The Giants without Pagan don’t have a small ball team that bunts or runs well so excoriating bochy over not playing this way is pissing in the wind to me. It ain’t happenin. If the players can’t drive in runs when you need them, it’s not on him.

    The Giants in this series have been doing good things, just not enough of them. Posey has lit up Chapman twice, and SF came within eyelash of beating him last night. Panik had great night at bottom of order.
    Cain pitched well, so did Vogs. bum had one bad inning but didn’t get hit very hard. Machi the ever reliable got his ass kicked. Lopez has to face best LH all the time, couldn’t get it done last night.

    I still enjoy watching the games, all of them. The white sox game with He Gon is on now, and they have 2 runs scored vs. Buehrle. One of the Latin guys Sierra from DR homered off him and his buddies in the dugout, countryman de Aza and cubans Abreu and Viciedo, afterward are dancing and doing wild violent handshakes.
    Love to see Giants do a little bit more of that today–Giants enjoying success of their teammates out there.

    • snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:21 am

      If the players aren’t hitting, my POV is that the manager has to get creative, try harder to win and get a new vibe going. Pushing the same buttons all the time when it’s not working, such as losing 14 of 18, is lame ass managing, IMO. BTW, I always try to piss downwind… 😉

      • twinfan1 said, on June 29, 2014 at 11:53 am

        Whether it’s Sabean, Bochy or both, the team is saddled with a horrible bench. 4 guys at .200 or below. Hector is now helpless, Arias may be the “hacking-est ” hitter in baseball, Hicks is down to where the walk is his only offensive weapon, Perez is hitting like he looks- a 12 year old. The decision to hit Arias was the worst and most indefensible decision I’ve ever seen from Bochy. Arias should have run for Pablo. Game over..

      • wswins said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:03 pm

        Twin on the same page as my 11am…glad your posting again and not just because of that!

      • snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:56 pm

        Yep, we worried early on about the weak bench. It’s biting their ass now that starters are out for an extended period. Could be, in part, that Hector’s not hitting at all because he’s taking a beating behind the plate…

  6. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Henry Schulman ✔ @hankschulman
    Bochy to close by committee with Affeldt, Casilla #sfgiants
    12:47 PM – 29 Jun 2014

    • snarkk said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm

      Yeah, Bochy just said in his pre-game gab that he’ll mix and match in the 8th and 9th. Romo is out as closer. I wouldn’t put him in right now unless the game is a laugher, one way or the other. If it’s close in the 7th, a 2 run homer given up is just a little less devastating than one in the 9th…

  7. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Well, things could be worse. For example, has anyone seen this video?


  8. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    On June 8, the Giants swept a three-game home series from the Mets. They were 42-21, with a 9½ lead in the NL West. Approximately, 1/3rd of the season was complete. At the time, they were heading to a 99 or 100 win season.

    They also had the following situation at the time:

    1. A starting pitcher with an ERA+ over 100 (meaning, one starting pitcher whose adjusted numbers are better than the league average). The pitcher is 38 and had already missed a start because of hip problems.

    2. The bullpen, made up of expensive veterans and ne’er-do-well castoffs, was due for some major regression.

    3. Their entire lineup was (is) filled with players who strike out two or three times more than they walk. They were being buoyed by early HR power surges that weren’t going to last. Unless of course, you believed in the tooth fairy and you thought Brandon Hicks was going to hit 25 homers, Brandon Crawford was going to hit 15 or 20, and Michael Morse was going to hit 35 or 40. By the by, They were all on pace to accomplish just that . . .
    Essentially, the GMen have been able to hit ’em where they ain’t; hit ’em where they count. Sounds simple, but it probably isn’t sustainable.That’s how a team can keep winning at a 99-game pace while only outscoring their opponents by 26 runs over the first third of the season. So, what’s my point? The Giants definitely weren’t that good and they probably aren’t this bad.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 12:38 pm

      I decided to sit Hudson today on my FL team. I suspect the torture will continue for one more day, albeit, I hope not.

  9. willedav said, on June 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Nice first inning. F-ing Hamilton has hurt SF more with his bat than anything else. I think he’s been thrown out on bases every single game. Bum got 2 guys in one inning right?

  10. salty said, on June 29, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    One can only fantasize about what might have been if Brown and Hembree had blossomed…there’s your CF leadoff hitter and closer.

  11. salty said, on June 29, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Hopeful Duvall shows something but realistically….he’s a .268 hitter in the minors. Maybe Dave Kingman lite.

  12. SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    What a dumbass play by Blanco

  13. Flavor said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 2m
    The #SFGiants are unwatchable right now.

  14. zumiee said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    3 terrific ABs last night in a row against Chapman. Pence with the hit to rightfield, Panda battling for the walk, and Posey with the double. I’ll try to keep those as my images from last night. 🙂

  15. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Laptop is going through my window if Homer Simpson gets a no no.

    • salty said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      Yeah this is hard to stomach.

    • SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      How comprehensive is your homeowner’s insurance?

      • blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:55 pm

        3rd story of a condo/retail building . . . Umm, probably not very good if it hits a shopper. 🙂

  16. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Ethier just homered, Bums leading Cards, 6-0.

  17. SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Nice work Buster!

  18. salty said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Ahhhh….go cove NOW!

  19. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Come on Morse . . . Get a ding dong.

  20. 2 WS titles said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Nice ab from Crawford. Proof he was the man for the job against Chapman. Uh, uh. Game over. Right.

  21. SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    If this is Affelt’s audition for getting some closing opportunities, he’s not exactly nailing it.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      Yeah, he’s off the committee.

  22. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Friggin’ game being lost by these dumb ass mistakes.

  23. ewisco said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    no offense, no bullpen. bad combo.

  24. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Oh joy Kruk . . . We’re so grateful that 2 runs didn’t score.

  25. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Hilarious. WTF were you thinking Panda???????

  26. wswins said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    From the best to the worst in 3 weeks time…It’s almost laughable

    • SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      “How to blow a 9.5 game lead in less than 20 games”

  27. SanDawg said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:28 pm


  28. sportdude said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Balk, WP, HBP???Our new closer worse than the old one!

  29. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Choo! Choo! All aboard . . . Next stop 2nd place!

  30. Flavor said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Thinking that Sabes is about ready to roll out his “bad penny year” excuse rather than try to fix the ball club. Duvall and Panik cannot hit in the same line up unless it’s Fresno. We have no 2nd baseman or back up catcher, no closer and no replacement for Pagan who, for the second year in a row, is torpedoing our season because he can’t play.
    On second thought, maybe that’s too much to fix in the middle of the season. Starting to feeling like a “re-arrange the deck chairs” kinda year…..

  31. blade3colorado said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Didn’t know that about 1st time being swept in a home 4 game series at the Phone Park. More humiliation.

  32. ewisco said, on June 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    four runs in four games. bad defense. bad bullpen. not going to win many that way. I’m going to try and hide behind my mantra: .500 until the all-star break.

  33. Flavor said, on June 29, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    new shitty fucked up thread.

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