Kind of ironic that after Sabes gets lit up here for not making a deal, Beane makes a big one. As Baggs pointed out though in good column on csnbayarea, Giants don’t have prospects rated anywhere near as high as Addison russell to acquire Samardzdija. Likely not Price either.
Again, Giants pitching for most part seems to have turned around–another very good outing from Cain, couple in a row for him ala Vogs and Lincecum. Just inexplicable what’s happened to offense. Like to see Craw get going again too–1 for last 15, 7 for 36 with 11 Ks and 1 rbi. He’s last link of the regs before you get to Panik (who right now has Adrianza numbers) and rest of fill ins.
A’s are actually up next, 4 game home and home. blade mentioned a deal with them at end of last thread after discussing the big Sam-trade. One of the problems there is that A’s biggest need would be upgrading 2b, just like SF.
Beane has been trying to fix middle IF for a while without much success. No one he has there now is hitting much–Lowrie Punto Sogard Parrino and even Callaspo. They’ve gone through Steven Drew, Pennington, the Weeks kid yada yada. so not everyone Beane acquires turns to gold either.
A’s are always or almost always whipping SF. Giants lay down like beaten dogs.
yeah, those zero world series trophies since 1989 are really impressive……
and who handled Tigers rather rudely in playoffs, including Verlander…and who didn’t, even last road trip?
From Alex at mercury news…
“The Giants were blanked for the third time in five games and fourth time since the start of the the last homestand. They’ve lost 18 of 23. That’s an astounding number. They seem to now fully understand the rut that they’re in, and they know they need to stop it before it gets out of control. What needs to happen?”
Before it gets out of control? What the hell?
Yes, inexplicable what’s happening with the offense, and yes, it’s already out of control… I’m not sure what makes it more maddening, that’s it’s happening at all (ala last year), or that it’s happening AGAIN (just like last year). By the time the offense pulled out of it in early August last year, it was too late, the team was out of it. So, having witnessed this last year makes it tough to slog through this feeling optimistically that any game now, “it” will be over and they’ll be on their way again. Gotta be painful for Bochy to watch this, game after game, and not be able to do anything about it, really… Until/unless Sabes gives him to more to work with. But they honestly believe these are the guys. Well, proof is in the pudding, so all we can do is hope they do indeed pull out of it before it’s too late again. A tale of 2 teams: 9-1/2 games in front, vs. the unproductive crap the past 3 weeks. They did it before, they can do it again, right?
This is what sticks out from the SF Gate article I just read . . .
“A players-only, get-off-the-schneid meeting was held before the game one day after manager Bruce Bochy and general manager Brian Sabean had their own get-off-the-schneid meeting with a few veterans. It seems Sabean, before improving the roster via trades, wants to see progress.
With the trade deadline 27 days away, Bochy was asked if the spark could come from the outside.
“Well, that’s a pretty good club we’re throwing out there,” he said. “We got (Brandon) Belt back. You look at this lineup, it’s a lineup that did a lot of damage. We’re not looking for help. I don’t think we need help. We have the talent here. We just have to keep believing that it’s going to happen. I’ve got a feeling that once we get on a roll, we’ll get back to the team we were earlier in the season.”
I agree with both Sabean and Bochy. This is the same shit the club did last season and Sabean was right not to do anything. One or two bodies wouldn’t have made a difference in that CORPSE of a team and neither would it make a difference here. Bochy is also right – the team played well at the beginning of the season. He didn’t imagine it, I didn’t and you guys didn’t. Where is that team? If they show up in the next 27 days (trade deadline), I have no doubt, Sabes will get reinforcements. Go Giants!🙂
Hey – Stults isn’t all that bad – he’s got 3 W’s with an ERA of 4.96
Cain only has 1 W with an ERA of 4.27
Lincecum ERA at 4.09
Romo at 5.01
Stults just on a piss-poor team….
Are you clueless Rooster? That’s not the point Flappers are making here . . . Let me lay it out for you:
Cain has 10 seasons of mostly outstanding pitching performance. Stults has ZERO in 8 years. For example, Cain’s career WAR is 32; and Stults is 2 . . . Capisce?
Shit, you just saw Stults career highlight yesterday. Back to anonymity today.
WSwins notes the 18 losses out of 23 games really emphasizes this free fall. That IS an astounding stat. And, most losses at home. I’m not going to research it, but that has to be one of the worst stretches in SF history, even for the “fetid” 1985 team that lost 100. And, this team is far far better than that POS squad. I cannot explain how a team can go from being out in front by 20 lengths while rounding the first turn to behind by a length by the middle of the backstretch. A rabbit? But, as blade points out, the same crap happened last season, the offense has just died. It’s like a massive pulse of EM waves sucked the energy out of the bats. If Pagan’s absence is the source of the EM waves, then that has to be fixed. He’s got 2 1/2 years left on his deal. The whole offense can’t stop just because he’s out. As Lurie mentioned yesterday on KNBR post-game, many are taking bad ABs. You don’t help out a Stiff like Stults by swinging early, and that’s what they did…
I disagree that Sabean should not make any moves if this team continues cratering before the deadline and looks like it will be out of it. IF that happens, he should make moves. I would trade Sandoval and Romo for a good starter prospect and a can’t miss OF prospect and an IF prospect, in combo or in separate deals. Romo may not fetch a lot, unless he shows better the next few weeks. Panda will. The Giants won’t pay him what somebody else will, so get some near-ready prospects you can ID now, not just settle for a draft pick when he leaves. Next year and beyond, with the minor league system looking very ragged for the next few years, an aging pen, and starting rotation with 4 guys over 30 having major miles on arms, this team is poised to circle the commode in 2015 and beyond unless moves are made to get younger and better. The sooner the better, especially if this is another “bad penny” season…
Time for a new BBOTD.
This one burned bright, fizzled quickly.
We need solid dependability to get this ship off the rocks…
not back in town till Mon so I’ll get to it then (unless she unleashes a win streak between now and then).
Larry Krueger @sportslarryknbr 29s
Sabes, please do a blockbuster w/Chisox: Romo, Sandoval, Kickham, Panik, and Pagan for Beckham, MDavidson, Eaton, Viciedo, and Belisario
Why would anybody take Pagan with a bulging disk?
Hell, if somebody’ll take Pagan, throw in Scutaro and a spine specialist to be named later…
I feel like Krueger was just throwing something out there to make a point—do something, don’t just sit on your hands and watch another season slip away.
I would do that deal every day and twice on Sunday. Matt Davidson is ranked No. 1 among White Sox prospects by MLB.com and the No. 80 prospect overall entering the 2014 season. Beckham is having a very good season (way better then any 2nd baseman we have). Eaton is a bit under performing this season (expecting way more SBs), but is hitting .322 with seven RBI and five triples in June. Belisario is your closer in waiting and Viciedo is a very good (albeit streaky) outfielder. DO THIS DEAL! Especially in lieu of us probably losing Panda and Romo and Pagan face planting/injured. Actually, Panda has under performed too, so good opportunity to get something for him.
I think this losing streak emphasizes how razor thin the Giants chances for continuing success are. Seriously, next year and beyond into the foreseeable future look real problematic. Sabean needs to start dealing for the future, especially if this team looks like it’s going nowhere in 2014. Panda should fetch some good, young bodies in return from a contender. I think he’s gone in the offseason to some idiot team that will pay him $110 million for 5 years or something, and it makes no sense for the Giants to let him walk for a draft pick…
blade, of course Stults and Cain have had different levels of success over their entire career – that goes without saying. I was only pointing out that this season, they are pretty much the same guy, production-wise.
and both suck shit.
Cain is up and down. He actually pitched well enough yesterday to win. If he got some run support, which is rare. The HRs he gives up are a big problem. I fear his contract is going to be Zito like in its last 2 years, maybe 3. Lots of miles on that arm. I’m hoping part of this is the floating bodies in his elbow, and they take care of that in the offseason…
Hand it to Beane and the A’s…great move
With that trade, if they can’t get to the WS this year, there’s something wrong with that organization. Still, Beane’s probably not done yet. He may try to get another IFer before the deadline, and somehow try to get rid of Jim Johnson, a major Beane fukup move (to get him) and blank space in the Pen. And with those two starters they lost coming back next year from TJ surgery, they’ll have 7 possible starters available going into ST…
“Bad Penny” season last year was in reference to health and injury. When the 2b injured his back, the cf hammy, the ss, sprained fingers, the 3b missing a bunch, a SP getting hbp and breaking a finger, 3 other SP, not performing well, RP also injured, etc. etc… way too much to overcome hence the comment. This season after the first 9/10 weeks, I got no excuses for them. None. It’s unexplainable to me.
Losing is always explainable…….shit happens.
Thanks for clearing that up Nip..
Talking to Lurie, Schulman says Morse has had a “back thing”, which could be why his power has disappeared …
Glad to see the Rockies aren’t rolling over this afternoon. 5-2 Sherpas.
Per the Dodger broadcast crew, “First time we have not led the Rockies in a month.” They are insufferable. Ugh (albeit, it’s a toss up listening to them or the Sherpa crew, which is all saccharine and fairy tales).🙂
Another gem, “If pitching is the name of the game, then the Rockies pitching has been in the Witness Protection Program.” AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHH . . . Give me K and K!!!!!
Who are the Dodger guys you’re listening to? TV or radio? I don’t even know who they are now, other than Scully does the TV home games…
Dick head Hershiser and Charley Steiner.
Ugh. Hershiser suxxxxx. Insufferable…
Steiner is a yuk a minute (attempting 1960s humor). Hershiser does know pitching, e.g., talking about De La Rosa’s slider being “lazy, with no snap” which I thought was a good comment.
Hard to acknowledge Hershiser was once a Giant for a short period. Whenever I’ve heard the guy, he sounds as if he’s doing you a favor letting you listen to him…
Yes, that’s exactly the way I feel about him. He wants you to know he is the smartest guy in the room.
When watching a Giants game on TV a good command of colorful profanities are helpful.
Gibson/D-Backs totally blew a replay opportunity against the Braves. Inexcusable. Braves guy was out by a mile. Gibson never came out of the dugout to stall or question it or anything, and the Braves went on to a big rally. Fox broadcasters were totally mystified by Gibson’s behavior.
In these days of lots of gambling on games, replay review opens up more opportunities for wondering what’s on the up and up, especially since we really don’t know who is reviewing the plays in NYC with MLB, or how plays are evaluated. Also, coaches’ decisions to protest or not may come into question…
I never thought about that, but you’re right. I have no idea if the guys in NY have been vetted. Couple that with (apparently) lame non-moves by Gibson, it does make you wonder. Me? I still think this shit slows down the game, as well as mutes the interplay between umpire and manager and/or players, which I loved. Whatever.
Zum, what the hell was Gibson doing while all this was going on? Or, did he just not have a clue and/or give a damn?
Gibson sat in the back of the dugout near a coach who was on the phone. Gibson was looking down at a card in his hand or something, and seemed not all that interested. Meanwhile, the Braves ballpark is under NO obligation to show the replay on the big screen and they didn’t. That should have told Gibson something. Gibson’s attitude seemed “meh,’ which is surprising given that the umps totally blew the call. The D-Backs pitcher got back on the mound and made the next pitch, and the blown call helped open the floodgates for the Braves. It struck me as really inexcusable. If I’m LaRussa watching that, I’m wondering what the heck happened on that. I would want to know what broke down in the process, and why Gibson didn’t come out and stall for more time, and ultimately challenge the call.
Yeah, that seems like SOP to go out and “discuss” (fake it and buy time) the call with the umpire. LaRussa, I’m sure is taking notes.
Maybe LaRussa already told him he’s gone at the AS Break, and he doesn’t give an S? Not even paying attention to a replay chance really sounds bad, looks bad…
Fairly certain Gibson is not someone who doesn’t give a shit. However, “stupid” may describe him more accurately.
Hershiser is saying, “Epstein is sending out a subtle message that Starlin Castro is available.” This makes sense to me. With 2 SS prospect studs in the minors, they don’t need him anymore. Just my take, (and I have said this previously a couple of times), but both Beane and Epstein are NOT done dickering with their rosters. More trades are coming from both.
Sheesh, the Sherpas are like a climbing team on Mt. Everest and the leader says, “Umm, where the fuck are the oxygen canisters?” Friggin’ pissing away a 6 run lead, with the latest miscue a wild pitch by Masset. Oh yeah, somehow he injured himself as well. Umm, that makes 11 players on the DL for these idiots. Moon ball is amazing in Colorado.🙂
Logan just walked someone in (bases loaded). Steiner, the yuk a minute guy, says, “Hey, we (Sherpas) don’t want to win this game. Can we give it back to you.” I’m sure Rooster is having a good time.
What time does the Giants game come on? Sheesh. 🙂
Nice catch by Blanco.
Damn, Blanco being Willie Mays in the outfield and at bat. Waaaaay to go!
Blanco with a jack! First of the year.
So, of course Kuiper jokingly says “forget about bunting”. At least, I hope it’s a joke…
Shit, I thought I was the only one here. Glad to see there’s another Flapper watching this game.🙂
Every now and again a blind cat snags a mouse. So it is with Greg White and his big uppercut swings. Just don’t go expecting it on a daily basis.
Sandoval getting hit with a pitch he swings at is just another example of why I am ready to be done with him, and would trade him for a couple of top prospects. Few hitters do that. Simple explanation to me is that he decided to swing before the pitch was made. If you saw it, let me know if that was a plausible cause of that sequence. I’m just done with him, no way I want him on a LT deal for megabucks. Move Posey to 3rd gradually this season, use Duvall, too, then Hector and Susac fight it out for starting C in Spring Training as Posey takes over 3rd. Hope Panda’s not hurt, if he is then he can’t be traded…
I missed it while I was switching over to the Giants game from the Sherpa game and setting up my HDTV from the pc video feed. But yeah, I just don’t understand the inconsistency with Pablo. Is he a .300 plus player with power? Or, is he what we got now – streaky as hell and disappearing for long stretches? His history shows the latter scenario is more accurate.
Alright, let’s take advantage of the Pads screw up on Panik’s grounder. And, now a walk by Pence. That’s good, let’s get it going…
Arias up with bags loaded. Dare I dream?…
Of course not.
Not to mention Belt popped out with men on first and 2nd…
Pfffttt. Getting really tired of these non-productive innings as well.
Sheesh, with the Pads stacking their lineup with lefties, they are hitting the ball hard. Fortunately, our fielding has been outstanding.
I’d bet Sandoval stays, only because I don’t think he’ll put up monster numbers either–less than 20 HRs, maybe 80 rbis, likely .275 -ish avg. Those aren’t $100 mil numbers, so I think he likes it here enough to stay. Leave the numbers to the bean counters, but keep the years at 3 tops. No one in pipeline can do those numbers either. If Utley arrives then maybe Panik goes to 3b.
C is a troubling position beyond Posey, who has to stay there as long as he can. He’s picked it up quite a bit as a hitter too. Hector can fight it out for a job somewhere else as far as I’m concerned. He’s a defensive liability and a puro hacker, much more so than Sandoval. Susac isn’t wowing anyone and has been hurt.
And I disagree with the total doomer take like Loos’ POTD. SF has the core of a good group with Posey Belt Craw Sandoval Pence all at a good age for a few more good years. Another OF, sure, and maybe you do need Adam Eaton as insurance/replacement for Pagan.
Pitching tough to call…Giants have gotten great pitching lately from everyone except Bum of the SPs.
I’m not worried about pitching this year. I’ll let James do that. Starters are coming around. Next year is another story. But, when you’re scoring under 2 runs a game for a dozen games in a row, including 4 shutouts against, it’s not pitching that’s the problem. Some idiot team will give Panda more than 3 years; IMO, at his age, I think that’s a near certainty…
Willie, Loo’s POTD? Paul has POTD.
The older doomer one about Sabes should go all in now because of upcoming era of shit.
Ahh. OK, I do remember that one.
This game has a familiar look to it, Giants with nothing going on, waiting for the oppo to get some go-ahead runs…
Agree. A distinct dark foreboding.
Don’t know about that pitch, but sure will take it. lqtm.
When the team can’t score, the plate umpire’s strike zone takes on an overly important role in the game…
Hudson pitching his near 39-year old ass off, and looks likely he’ll have nothing to show for it again…
they score, we lose?
My MacPro is going through the window if they don’t score here.
How old is it?…
Battery is still strong on it. Could last another 2-3 years . . . Umm, if it doesn’t go through the window.🙂
Well, we’ll never know. The balk messed up the throw possibility. Panik with the good sac fly. Then, of course Colvin swings at the first pitch, can’t get the run in from third with only one down. Thanks Pads for the gift run with no hits…
Yeah, still disgusting. So just my take, but Hudson comes out quick if he allows a walk or a hit.
Bochy taking no chances. Hudson out already. I dunno, I’d have let him go another inning unless he gave up something to start, as you say, blade. Not sure if this pen right now has the stones to shut down 3 innings…
Fuck Machi. Shit on a stick.
Liking Panik more and more. Despite the Mendoza line BA he has a tendency to being productive at the plate. Should Scoots return i could see them splitting innings ~ though that might not be Bochy’s M.O.
Ahh, he’s out anyway.
No, the Pen doesn’t have the stones to hold the lead for even one inning. Should have started with Hudson, as you said, blade. Machi has fallen off the rails lately…
Yeah, he’s sort of a microcosm of this team. Lights out to begin the season, now he can’t pitch his way out of a paper bag. Damn.
Well, you keep thinking that this is the “last straw” as Flavor indicated, but as this game is indicative of – we can keep going into a deeper abyss. Shit, the Giants (like us) keep “throwing shit out there and hope it sticks.” Like them, I have NO answers.
blade, being on radio I didn’t realize Colvin was hitting for Hudson. Huddy had to come out in that situation with just one out, so Bochy really had no choice. Machi officially sucks now. Based on the past month, it’ll be a miracle now if the Giants come back — Pads pen is tough…
Yes, it escaped me too. I think I was eating.🙂
I’m off to dinner, blade. Maybe they’ll make a comeback, but doubtful. This team just sucks balls right now. G’nite…
Anybody got a theory on wtf happened with Machi? Been what, a couple weeks since he went off the rails. Is there a book out on him? Has he become predictable? Tipping his pitches? We do have some good R.P. arms in the pipeline. Maybe it’s time to say “hasta la vista”.
He’s leaving that breaking ball up and in the middle of the plate. When it’s down on the ground it’s unhittable.
Machi is a micro-example of the team—started off way more dominant that he is in real life, fell apart, can’t fix it…..
Snarkk and Blade, you guys get big props for keeping the blog going tonight.
I’m still in the sticks, no game up here. See you guys on Monday.
De nada Flavor. Have fun dude!🙂
Yes!!!!!! Fucj you street mofo
Whadda you know ~ a blast from the past by the Beast. Spose he’s finally over the Crud?
Yeah, you could see the joy on his face. Nice. Conversely, I’m still laughing at the “agony of defeat” on Huston Street’s face (see my comment below).🙂
Damn, that replay of Street watching the ball go out was HILARIOUS. Still laughing.
Jettison Hicks asap.
Wow! Sergio was brilliant. Even that piss ant pop up to Morse should have been caught. Very, very tough situation there. Happy for him.
Wow what a 9th. Romo is fired up but the guy who deserves the *hold* is Crawford.
Love that emotion from Pence. Giants are fired up.
There’s my leadoff guy coming through with a hustle double.
As for Cameron Maybin, there should be some kind of unwritten clubhouse rule you can’t wear #24 if you suck.
Yeah baby! Feel a win here could turn things..
Salty, this feels different then one of our pitchers doing well, e.g., Lincecum’s no no. The entire team is involved, so yes, I agree this could fire them up going forward.
Of course, let’s win the fucking baseball game.🙂
Welcome back Brandon!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck yeah! Go Buster!
Snarkk, stay away until after the game. Who knows? You could have been jinxing them.🙂
Blade, now that is to funny.
Hey Manny . . . Good to see ya!
Come on Casilla. Cannot let this slip away.
Victory, thy name is “Team Effort”
Great win. I haven’t felt this good about the Giants in quite some time.
It was that kind of game. Timmy tommorow.
OK, boys. 10 game win streak.😉
This could be significant as Salty indicated because of it being a team “effort” (thank you Manny). Going forward will tell. Tim Lincecum is facing the San Diego Padres tomorrow, so we all know what will occur: his third no-hitter. LOL.
Seriously though, his mound opponent is Jesse Hahn. He is no slouch. In (a small sample size) 27 2/3 innings, Hahn has fanned a rather impressive 36 while walking 10. The Giants are an anemic 0.293 wOBA versus right-handers and are missing their leadoff hitter in Angel Pagan. Nevertheless, Timmy is pitching and he OWNS them.
Good win. Belt back Belt gane-winner. Hopefully turn around…
Just met Andres Torres. What was his nickname, Vungo? Details to come.
Nice call by flav in his 3 line thread..”Maybe Belt…”
In listening to the radio wrap of the Chiefs’ loss to the Pawtucket Red Sox yesterday, I kept hearing the name of Andres Torres. In a game I did not attend, I visualized him being a difference maker. To be honest, I did not know Vungo was still playing. But good for him. So I decided to go to the game tonight. Cool, gorgeous evening and fireworks promised afterward. I wore my black pullover with simple GIANTS on the front with the thought in the back of my head that maybe I’d try to see Torres after the game and if I did he would notice the Giants connection. Too bad I did not have a copy of “World Serious” to give him. The Chiefs won in the bottom of the ninth, with Pawtucket walking in the winning run. Torres did not play, and neither did Emmanuel Burriss play for the Chiefs (he’s been their top run producer). I stayed for the pretty decent fireworks, sitting with two old friends / colleagues. It’s a small town; it is rare when I don’t bump into someone I know. I took my time heading out to the parking lot. (I’m usually too cheap to pay for parking and find a place on the street or by one of the industrial buildings. Tonight I just did not feel like walking out there after the game.) As I was walking to the parking lot, I strolled over to a cordoned-off area near two buses. As I figured, this is the corridor from which players exit the stadium. There was a small clutch of fans leaning over the makeshift metal railing. I saw just one player signing autographs and knew immediately who it was. Perfect timing. A young kid seemed to be with him, maybe 5 or 6 years old, maybe his son. “Andres!” He looked up as he was signing for someone. I pointed to my chest, to my Giants gear. “Thanks. I just want to thank you. You were great. And it meant a lot.” He was reserved, quiet, soft-spoken. “Thank you,” he replied. I extended my hand. He shook it. Softly. I’m not a fan of autographs anymore. A Giants fan near me actually annoyed me; you know the type: the autograph collector like a bounty hunter; misses the person in front of him. I began telling this fan about “World Serious” and gave up as he ran off to Will Middlebrooks or who knows who. (I’m getting socially more adjusted.) “Thanks again,” I said to Andres, or something to that effect. I thought of telling him about my book but thought better of it. Not about me. And then I said, “Good luck to you.” “Thank you,” he replied. Then he boarded the bus.
I’m just nearly devastated with the awesomeness of this story. I hope Twin reads it, it’ll make his day. More in the am, still on my ph
did Twin come up with Vungo? anyway, he struck me as a true gentleman, almost regal
I read this late last night, but knew you were already in bed . . . Wonderful story Pawlie.🙂
Great Pawlie. Thanks for saying thanks. Perfect.
Re Game today.. Another defeat. Facing a top closer, then NO. Morse! Then Sergio. Another fail. But then No. A huge K…Belt is back.. A huge win!!!!!!
who knows. good karma.
Great story from Pawlie.
In the minors book about life in Int’l League, Feinstein talks about mgrs. having to deal with former big leaguers who turn bitter: guys who don’t feel they belong in AAA, miss staying at the Ritz Carlton, someone delivering their bags for them, charter flights everywhere and of course the $$$. Like everyone else they are not only competing vs. other team but their own teammates to be the next guy called up. They know if they haven’t made majors by end July they will likely spend all of August riding buses in hot climes til AAA season ends.
These guys are resentful and tough to be around, for teammates and everyone else. Andres doesn’t sound like that type of guy at all.
Good story Pawlie.
Shows the pull of baseball not only on fans, but on the players that long to go back to the big lights and big crowds…
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Great to hear from you, Twin!