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Stuck With the Best Record in the NL

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 24, 2014

Never have I been less confident about a Giants team with the best record in the league. Our best paid pitcher is likely gone for the year. Our center fielder is barely able to hit off a tee these days. Our 2nd baseman is going to break off into 47 pieces at any moment. And our most promising young hitter is getting worse from the concussion he suffered, not better. It’s shaping up like a lost year for Belt.

We continue to beat up on bad teams. If you’re Sabean, what do you do? Seriously, what do you do? Personally, I would start with trying to acquire Zobrist or Bonifacio–a guy you could plug into multiple different spots. Because that’s what this team is going to need for the rest of the year. And the plugs we have now aren’t plugging up anything.

I suppose you could take a shot at a starting pitcher but they are always in such high demand, I can’t see Sabean having the bullets to fire at a target like that.

Or do you just ride it out with the crew you have?

In terms of finding trade partners, it just feels like, to me, that Sabean would be bringing piss to a shit fight…..

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:04 am

    Sabean Psalm 8:26

    “And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.”

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:48 am

      Hallelujah Brother Blade! Hey, now back to best strip clubs…never made it to McChord air plane patch in all my 31 years of Air Force travels. Absolute best strip clubs in all my AF travels were right outside Osan. There was one club (yeah, we’re in Korea) where 99% of the dancers were Russian…and all of them were drop-dead gorgeous. Many a night was spent there with a combat bottle of soju under the table in my backpack, breaking down the barriers of the Cold War.

      Steve – when do you leave for Cambodia (assuming you were being real about booking your trip)?

      Another fantastic win last night. I thought Sanchez’s AB was huge (allowed them to get The Revernd up with the bases juiced).

      • paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:55 am

        Hilarious, from hallelujah’s to strip clubs… 🙂

      • blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:46 am

        September 9th Chi and will return January 21st (next year. lqtm).

  2. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:48 am

    I hear ya, Craig, when you put it like that…. but… it’s *good* that the G’s are beating up on bad teams, that’s what *good* teams do. Seems in last year’s “bad-penny year”, they couldn’t do that. Obviously if all those players you mentioned (Belt, Cain, Pagan, Scoots) were completely fine, then confidence would be quite high. The fact that the G’s in this current state are playing fairly well and keeping up with the competition is a good thing. What would I do if I were Sabean? Absolutely pick up a Zobrist or Bonifacio or even a Marlon Byrd, anyone who would be better than Blanco and Colvin as starters (them on the bench is ok). And absolutely get another front-line starter (I’d leave Philly with Burnett, but others are available elsewhere), anyone who would be better than Cain was and Petit is. Don’t have the pieces to trade? They actually probably do, if no one is untouchable. And besides, at this point, some of these teams really are looking for salary dump, especially the Phils. The G’s might lack in trade pieces, but they do not lack in funds. The buzz is that teams like the Phils would be required to eat a lot of salary for some of their guys (just using them as an example). Take that off the table, and a deal is more doable. Gotta believe there’s more going on right now behind the scenes than the kind of befuddled head-scratching “not sure what we wanna do” comments from Sabean.

  3. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:57 am

    Good thread Craig, but I agree with Paul. At least they are whipping-up on the bad teams. You have to do that and the Giants are complying. We sliced and diced potential trades yesterday until no end. I stick with my regular call (and this goes back almost two weeks now) that I think the ideal pick-up would be Zobrist. Second in the pecking order would be Byrd, Bonifacio, etc. Just get SOMEONE who can play multiple positions and is better that Blanco and Colvin. Speaking of – Colvin drives me fucking crazy with his ritual between pitches (fake spit into the batting gloves…rubs them together, etc.). Second coming of the fucking human rain delay. Just get in the box and swing the damned bat, already.

    Slightly behind a guy like Zobrist is a starter, but I don’t see Sabes having the bullets to shoot for a front-line guy. It will have to be a scrap-heap special or maybe something a click or two up from that. Unfortunately, it will not be a top of the rotation guy…they just do not have the required pieces.

    Hudson to close out what has shaped-up into a fine road trip. 6-1 would be mighty fine. I called for 3 of 4 at the start of the series, but WTF, why not bust out the brooms (rhetorical question)….

  4. willedav said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:57 am

    You’ve gotta be kidding me about Emilio. That’s like trading for Michael Tucker. He’s not any better hitter than Blanco, and has an OB of .308. When he learns how to steal 1b, fine.
    As Salt pointed out, might be moot anyway, depending on Tampa. AL East is a tossup, WC always possibility.

    All this doom noise is starting to remind me of 2012, when SF was supposedly f-ed when they lost Melk and LA was going to steamroller them. Warts and all, and there are sure plenty enough of them, who’s in first? Sabes job to keep them there and patch holes and give Bochy enough to work with. But this ain’t the Titanic.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:51 am

      But what about shuffling the deck chairs? Don’t they do that every year? Who doesn’t enjoy a good deck chair shuffle?

  5. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:00 am

    Those Cadillac bumper bullets on the BBOTD page are looking better all the tiime (and this coming from a guy who is not enamored with a big rack). I mean I wouldn’t throw them off the haystack for being well-endowed, but not my priority when it comes to scouting out the opposite sex…

  6. twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:00 am

    *He’s been very good all year albeit with a few hiccups, but last night marked MadBums graduation to true ace. That was as good as it gets under the circumstances
    * On very thin ice: Tyler Colvin
    * “Floating bodies” are OK as long as they’re floating. Trouble comes when they settle in. See Matt Cain and why the contract was dumb, dumb, dumb.
    * Good thing that one guy left no doubt that he was on the bag.
    *Last two months Price has been CY level again. It’s a real good thing that they probably won’t deal him. They need him more than anybody else does anyway (Rays are back in it in the awful AL East)
    *With Zobrist probably off the table-who? Sabean wants your advice before the devil makes him do something Uggla.
    * Very troubling about Belt. Post concussion syndrome comes to mind. Hope the tests rule it out.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:42 am

      I’ve been thinking the same on Colvin. Dude is just not doing anything.

  7. twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:05 am

    1. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    2. Ehire Adrianza (S) 2B

    3. Buster Posey (R) C

    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    5. Michael Morse (R) LF

    6. Adam Duvall (R) 1B

    7. Joaquin Arias (R) SS

    8. Gregor Blanco (L)

    9. Tim Hudson (R) P

    • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:32 am

      I’m geared up and ready for another Duvall bomb. Ball comes off his bat LOUD…..

  8. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Michael, agree about MadBum. THAT was stellar and even epic last night.

  9. James said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Check in on 2013 vs. 2014:

    2013 runs scored through 102 games: 398
    2014: 408

    2013 runs allowed: 460
    2014: 368

    There’s virtually no difference in the productivity of the offense, which is middle of the pack. The 2014 team will make the playoffs, if the pitching holds up. The good news is that Cain was not helping a lot this year anyway.

  10. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Charlie – thanks for the update on Panik (last night’s thread). I was hoping it was nothing too serious. This team already has more than its fair share of walking wounded.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:42 am

      Yeah, it looked like half the team was going to hit the DL with all the dings and tweaks and strains.

  11. Alleykat said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:38 am

    I’d take Revere for the top of the LU right now with Burnett.

    • paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:52 am

      I like Revere too, but he’s young and has big possible upside, something the Phils need more of, not less, so he’s likely not going anywhere… They might be more inclined to move Sizemore, but Sabes could’ve picked him up for free not too long ago, so I doubt he’d trade for him. Domonic Brown might be more possible, but the G’s would have to hope his slide the past year or two would not be a long-term trend…

  12. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Easy to diss the Cain deal now. At the time it was either Timmy or Matty getting a big deal. No one wanted it to be Tim Tim. And everyone seemed to be fine with the Horse getting that deal.

    The difference in the offense is it was scorching hot April/May, and fell flat in June/July. Look at Morse for a prime example of that. He averages out as being, well, average. When you look at his splits, though, what is the trend, James? Do trends mean anything?

    If the offense plays like it did in most of June, they will not make the playoffs.

    When you get shut out 6 times in 17 games, it isn’t the pitching.

  13. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Belt should hopefully come around soon. I mean, it’s not like he’s had a shitload of concussions. Sydney Crosby comes to mind though, of a guy that took a long long time to recover from one hit. But he’s a hockey player, and gets hit all the time. Belt hasn’t had any, unless he rides bulls in the offseason or some shit.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:24 am

      What’s disturbing about Belt’s concussion is that he suffered it on the throw before the game and then exhibited the most obvious symptoms later, after his mad dash on the bases . A concussion is a “closed head injury”, a type of TMI ( traumatic brain injury) .In that dash around the bases his brain may have slammed against one portion of the skull, and then bounced against the opposite side of the wall. He *may* have suffered a “diffuse axonal injury”. I’m not trying to be alarmist but when symptoms start to linger, concern about the extent of the injury obviously intensifies. Hopefully further tests will rule that out, as well as post concussion syndrome

      • unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:30 am

        We should feel REAL fortunate that errant throw from the catcher didn’t nail Belt in the side of the head.

        2 shots to the head in succession like that would be devastating. I don’t think the running around did anything though. Otherwise you’d see shitloads of runners with concussions.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:44 am

        Running around as he did with already having suffered the concussion could definitely either worsen the injury or even cause a second TBI.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Coming out of the gate with wins against the dog shit teams of the NL East is a good start. The next two series’ against the dodgers and Pirates will be telling.

  15. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:53 am

    The Buccos are giving the Dogs all they can handle.

    I just wish the status of Pagan and Belt was a little more clearer than they seem to be. If we can weather this and get healthy, I like our chances.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:57 am

      I have said as much over the past couple of weeks, Charlie. Get Pagan and Belt back in the line-up, and squeeze a couple of starts a week out of Scoots, and I too like our chances. I did not mention Cain, as he really has been a non-factor all year. Get a mid-level starter to take the 4/5 spot in the rotation (in case Cain doesn’t make it back anytime soon), and that puts Petit back as long-relief (where he should be, long-term).

  16. salty said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Posey for one needs to hit better at home. At .236 vs .340 on the road.

    Agree with Twinfan…Colvin going going…Need to get RH there.
    What about this Cuban CF, Delgado, who is en route to the USA? Will be interesting to see if the G’s spend big there. He’s said to be a Ellsbury type.

    • salty said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:01 am

      Sorry, wrong family. It’s Castillo.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:08 am

      Would like to see more balalnce from Posey (home/away), but not going to trip over it. He is hitting .284, .343, .438, and .781 overall.

      You could say the same about Pablo, who tapers off to .256 away (.302 at home).

      I would more like to see Pablo and Posey push their OPS over the .800 mark. Posey currently at .781 and Pablo at .768.

      Morse (away or home) needs to get hot again.

  17. Macdog said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Bummer, no BP today, just guys long-tossing. Hoping to at least get the Pence pre-game warmup routine.

    • paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:01 am

      Enjoy the game, Mac! Nice day in the tri-state area today.. 🙂

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:09 am

      Hope you and your daughter have an awesome day, Mac. Bring us a win!

  18. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:00 am

    It seems “the status” of all of these injured is what’s making Sabean’s job a bit more difficult at the moment. At some point very soon, with just one week before the deadline, without any good news on the injury front, he just might have to pull the trigger on one or two moves on the assumption that *none* of these guys are coming back this year, except possibly Belt…. If all *could* come back, very soon, Sabes wouldn’t really need to make any big moves. Obviously that’s what he was hoping, but it’s looking like he’ll need to make some decisions before such status is clear.

  19. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Shit, just throw the $$$ at the Cubano.

    Have fun, Mac! Just be warm in the fact that some of us poor schlubs are stuck at work . . .

  20. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Some of us got pretty doomeristic for about a month, but it should be acknowledged that one of the reasons the Giants are winning more again is that Bochy finally made the changes some of us were calling for:
    Pence to the lead-off spot, Blanco to the bottom part of the order, and a diminished role for Romo.
    Pence to the lead-off spot should have been done several games before Bochy did it. The Giants could have had a few more wins out of that, IMO.

  21. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:17 am

    “everyone seemed to be fine with the Horse getting that deal.”

    I remember Loo being very outspoken against it. Loo’s looking pretty good on that call now.

    But I still think all those types of long contracts have to be judged at the end of the contract, and by the team’s overall success rate. I view even the “worst” of contracts, Rowand and Zito, differently now that World Series rings were won during those contracts. There are so many variables of probability involved. Without Rowand and Zito, it’s very possible the Giants don’t win those rings.
    Or maybe the Giants would have won MORE rings without Rowand and Zito. Anyone want to go to an alternate universe and take that chance? I don’t. I’ll take Rowand and Zito and the two rings, and call it good for those years. 🙂

    • James said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:43 am

      That kind of high level, macro fatalism has other applications for shorter term analysis, too 🙂

  22. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:20 am

    I agree with TF that it’s probably better for the Giants, overall, that Tampa Bay believes they’re still in it.
    The Price-to-the-Dodgers possibility has me concerned. The Dodgers DO have some coveted minor league chips they could deal, especially Joc Pederson, an outfielder that is totally blocked from the Dodgers’ big club.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:53 am

      Tampa is right on the cusp- a good week could make them buyers, a bad one could put Price and Zobrist back on the table. IMO.

  23. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Loo’s against everything (smiley face) . . .

    Hindsight’s like that, though, Zoom. You never know until it actually comes to pass.

    I thought for sure the Giants were going to simply cut Zito loose by year 5. With Rowand, they did.

  24. Macdog said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Thanks Paul, yes, very nice day. And Belt is here, he’s taking a slow walk from the OF to the dugout.

    • zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:32 am

      Get well soon, Brandon Belt!

  25. salty said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:38 am

    All inn all, we should feel pretty damn good about being 2 up with Pagan Belt Cain out so much. IF they all get healthy and they pickup a guy who can play 2b/OF….
    Bums ain’t scaring anyone but their investors.

  26. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:43 am

    How the mighty have fallen, continued: Ryan Howard out of the lineup again. Last night was understandable, against a stellar lefty. But Howard has hit Hudson over the years more than any other active pitcher. Ouch..

    • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:51 am

      supposedly he’s in the Philly doghouse pretty deep. Not sure what went down–lack of effort? attitude?

  27. Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:56 am

    I totally agree with Twin that running the bases so soon after a brain injury like that could have made it much worse. Look what he’s doing now– he didn’t even leave the Philly hotel room to keep his heart rate down. I don’t even want to think about what could have happened had Salty’s throw hit him in the face.
    But if there was brain swelling, and their likely was, running as fast as you can around the bases could be disastrous. And, in fact, he had to come right out of the game afterwards. Whoever let him play should be taught how to deal with concussion symptoms…..

    • James said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:11 am

      He probably didn’t show signs immediately. They should simply have taken him to the hospital after he got hit. Balls thrown across the infield travel at 70 mph. If you get hit in the head, unprotected, with a ball traveling that fast, precautions should just kick in automatically.

      • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:15 am

        absolutely. And I don’t doubt that he tried to hide some of his symptoms because he wanted to play. But we’ve moved way passed “how many fingers am I holding up?” or at least I thought we had….

  28. Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:19 am

    No one has commented yet on how shitty out LU is today, so I’ll do it. Adrianza, Duvall, Arias and Blanco? I am quietly hoping Duvall can hit up here but until he proves it he’s AAAA material all the way. And the other 3 guys have PROVEN that’s where they belong. Throw in our pitcher and that’s 5 guys who could get shut out on hits today……

  29. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:26 am

    You beat me to it, Craig. I was about to comment on the line-up…yeah, it sucks. And the Giants will have to beat the odds again, today (record when they score first vs. when the opponent scores first).

  30. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Craig, about Howard, it seems the coaches, et al, have kept saying “Howard just needs to make adjustments” but he doesn’t seem to be making adjustments. Affeldt made him look pretty bad the other night and that seemed to be the last straw. So now the adjustment is, he’s on the bench.

    • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 am

      He absolutely needs to make adjustments. He’s a big dude with a giant swing. You start getting older and that approach isn’t going to work anymore. Nice to see they took a stand against him although things seem to be spinning out of control in Philly…..

  31. James said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:33 am

    I’m still hopeful that Blanco will get his numbers up to his career levels by the end of the year. No great shakes, of course, but it would mean a nice productive streak.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Gregor is .290+ BA and .380+ OBP in 301 AB career at bats and 14 for 33 this year in the 8, He seems to like it there. With Pence firmly entrenched in the #1, this may work out, at least until/if Pagan returns.

  32. James said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Howard is 34, and has been injured the last two seasons. There may not be any adjustments he can make short of PEDs.

    • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:38 am

      agreed. But it couldn’t hurt to take a little out of that swing. His bat speed is so bad now though I doubt anything short of PED’s can keep him in the LU. Good thing they only owe him 60 mil after this season, lqtm

  33. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 am

    SOLID double (wink wink) for Duvall. Bring him in bottom of the order….

  34. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Not certain if you guys are familiar with Grantland. They do in-depth articles on all sports. In short, this article will take more then the proverbial 5 minutes to read. Their baseball articles are especially well-thought out, frequently with Saber analysis. This one on Lincecum’s recent resurgence is the best I have read about Tim in years. It does a very competent job explaining possibly why Tim has re-emerged as a force to be reckoned with. Good stuff . . .

    http://grantland.com/features/tim-lincecum-rebound-san-francisco-giants/

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:40 am

      Thanks, Steve. Will give it a look later.

  35. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:38 am

    I could give a fuck about splits, etc. I know Bochy is trying to get starts for some of the bench guys, but damn…get Arias the hell outta there.

  36. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Good article, but when they get into xFIPS and COMMAND f/x, I start glazing over.

    Scariest thing in the whole article? Timmy’s 30???? WTF?

    Sometimes I get real down when I realize how fast time is whizzing by.

  37. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Mr. Morse has to start doing something resembling his prior stretch.

  38. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:14 am

    “Weak ground ball . . . ” my ass. That’s Arias’s calling card.

  39. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Another opportunity gone pfffttt!

  40. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Yeah… I’ve been thinking Arias would start doing more offensively with more playing time and even almost predicted he’d have a good day today. Sure would help the team if he or Adrianza could hit a bit better. Hamels is very tough, even with all of your regulars out there…. Might take just one big knock today, so here’s hoping someone has it in him.

  41. willedav said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:38 am

    I heart scrubinis! Pence strikes out and Adrianza drives in Blanco, and Posey behind him Ks too.

    Craw has the long flight back and will likely play all weekend. Panik is still out…Bochy giving ABs to the bench guys esp the RH vs. LHP, isn’t giving a game away. Pence Posey Sando Morse still in there.
    Relax and enjoy!

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:43 am

      Adrianza has been looking better lately. Of course he had nowhere to go but up.

      • willedav said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:51 am

        Sure, but you could say that about entire bench.
        Adrianza is still hitting better than Panik, and Blanco has OPS 100 pts. better than Panik too.
        I’d still play him a lot, but he’s not a sparkplug and mostly grounds out to right side. Patience is great, but you gotta show better results for it than .210.

  42. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Yes, nice hit by Adrianza. Duval is a big bop potential every time up. We’ve seen it before, when the lineup was filled with “scrubs” and they’ve come through….

  43. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Second day in a row that Bochy called for the hit-and-run with Adrianza on first, and Posey batting. And both times it flopped. Posey’s not a good hit-and-run guy. It forces him to go hacker and it’s not a mindset he’s comfortable with and it throws him off. Posey’s been on a hot streak, hitting for more extra-base hits, so I don’t get Bochy messing with it. I’m all for Bochy doing some hit-and-runs in general; I just don’t think that’s the right situation.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      Agree, Evan.

  44. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Well, I certainly understand trying to keep Posey out of the DP, but Adrianza should be able to straight steal the bag. Saw Huddy’s cripple pitch to Utley. No reason for that.

  45. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    I don’t really know how to find this kind of data, but I’m curious about Morse’s offensive splits when he’s playing 1B compared to playing LF. When he was tearing it up, was that mostly when he was playing 1B a lot replacing Belt? Seems like it, but not sure.

  46. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    baseball-reference.com Paul.

    http://tinyurl.com/ps43s6c

    They are a little better with Morse at 1st, but not dramatically.

    • paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      Wow, thanks, Unca, that was fast.. 🙂 Yeah, most numbers not dramatically better, except batting average, fairly big difference there.

  47. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    A bit early to look ahead to the weekend series at China Basin, but I like Baggs’ recent comment about a certain kind of confidence Bochy and the G’s demonstrated by not arranging the rotation after the break to set up their “best” pitchers against the Dodgers… which also perhaps demonstrates a lack of confidence on LA’s part that they rearranged theirs. I guess having lost 7 of 10 so far to the G’s might do that. How sweet would it be to see that continue this weekend.

    • zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:25 pm

      Yeah, it’s already sort of backfired for Donnie in that Haren and Beckett got more starts right after the All-Star Break, and that wasn’t a good thing for the Dodgers.

  48. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Gutsy performance by Hudson who didn’t really have a lot of command.

  49. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    It’s been quite a while since Pence had an AB that bad. He’s kind of lost vs. Hamel today.

  50. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Sounds like a hell of a catch by Craw. Now let’s see him make some noise with the bat.

  51. stickman said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    If there’s a secret internal depth chart it’s quite possible that Adrianza (bonehead warts and all) may have passed Arias today. Joaquin leaves three runners in scoring position. E-hire (great name for a Bay Area employment agency) has driven in our solo. Meanwhile Morse, of course, gets his meaningless single maintaining his BA while his run production plummets.

  52. Macdog said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Papelbon coming in to much booing.

  53. stickman said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Hamels pitched today like his career depended on it. Prolly cant wait to get outta pflailing Philly.

  54. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    WTF. I’ll take back-to-back series wins and a 5-2 road trip.

    BEAT LA!

  55. Bozo said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Good road trip. Next up – Beat LA.

    • Bozo said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:57 pm

      Damn chi, let me finish typing before we post the same thing.

      • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 7:58 am

        Sorry John. All I can say is “Great Minds Think Alike!”

  56. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    3 out of 4 in Philly. Hard to complain about that.

  57. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Just read the Cards are seriously contemplating a trade of Taveras for Price.

  58. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Tip your hat to Hamels, he’s been nails. Actually, Stick, he has stated he likes playing in Philly and doesn’t want to go anywhere. Lee, Kendricks, or Burnett would more likely be on the block. Great job by the Giants bullpen all series. Come on home, boys, and beat the boys in blue.

  59. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    But but but. Yeah, but sweep woulda been great. Hamels was dealing I guess.

  60. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    I’m not much of an AL guy, but the Tigers/Angels game tonight could be an interesting playoff preview. And it wouldn’t bug me if the Angels passed the A’s in their division.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      I too am not a fan of the junior circuit, but no way in hell I pull for a SoCal AL team over the A’s. Fuck SoCal…

  61. gianthead said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Don’t know if anyone circulated this Grantland piece about Lincecum:

    http://grantland.com/features/tim-lincecum-rebound-san-francisco-giants/

  62. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    I ain’t much of an AL guy either, but I’d MUCH rather see the A’s do well than their brethren to the south. Fuck the LA free-spenders.

    • Alleykat said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      Agree Chuck.
      Anything south of San Jose Sucks!!
      Unless it’s Carmel, Monterey Pebble Beach!!

      • gianthead said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:24 pm

        Being from San Jose, you can go ahead and include San Jose as part of the suck:)

        My caveat is that everything south of Laguna Beach is cool and everything north of Ventura is cool…

      • unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        I’ll give you that. Santa Barbara’s pretty nice as well.

  63. Macdog said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    I’m 0-1 in my “We score we win” shirt.

    • Flavor said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      you got one? Hey, thanks for trying!

  64. gianthead said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    I am actually rooting for Tampa to get back into it…solely because of my 65-1 $25 bet on the Giants playing the Rays in the World Series…

  65. Flabloxxxl said, on July 24, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    There’s nothing to worry about. Uggla will probably beat the team charter to SFO.

    • shaman138 said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      Hurry, Wayne, the charter to Chile’s Gaucho Pants convention leaves in ten minutes from OAK and they can squeeze you in between the goats and chickens in the storage space if you hustle! You may have failed as barry4ever but your dreams of being a third-rate travelogue writer are far from dead, amigo.

      • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:00 am

        Priceless.

  66. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Just read this, “According to a source with knowledge of the discussions, the Rays are looking for quite the haul. In return for either Price or Zobrist, the Rays want four of the Giants’ top prospects, headlined by Kyle Crick and Andrew Susac.”

    Frickin’ pull the trigger. I would do that trade every day and twice on Sunday. Prospects are just that and Zobrist or Price have proven to be sure things. Shit, we have Bowker Gang II in our line up right now (Arias, Adrianza, Panik, and Duvall). Throw those MOFOs in to . . . Good riddance! 🙂

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      I would probably do it too. Crick is doing okay at AA and is still young but he may not be that starter that everyone thinks he’ll be. I’m starting to think the Giants hype their minor league arms better than any club. Must be something Sabean learned in NY.

  67. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Price yes, Zobrist, no. Trading the future for a 33 y/o 2nd baseman who very well may follow the path of Scoots and Glasschez isn’t my idea of a good idea.

  68. Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    I agree with Charlie (Unca) here. Price for those prospects…oh hell yes. Zobrist, for all the reasons stated…no.

    • salty said, on July 24, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Me too. Insane to give the store up for Zobrick.

  69. salty said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Actually wouldnt trade for Price….too high a price to pay. Pitchers are too fragile.

  70. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    I thought it was for both. The farm for one or the other?

    • Chipower9 said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      “In return for either Price or Zobrist, the Rays want four of the Giants’ top prospects…”

      For both…hell yes I do the deal, but for Zobrist alone, hell no.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:36 pm

        Agree. Hellz to the no.

  71. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    “The Oakland Athletics have designated right-hander Jim Johnson for assignment before Thursday’s game against the Houston Astros.”

    For all the brilliance and smarts Billy Beane is supposed to have, this was one of his most stupid signings. Shit, even with Balfour gone, he had 2-3 arms (e.g., Doolittle, Gregerson) in his existing bullpen that were potentially better closers then this failure. Millions flushed down the toilet that the Oakland A’s can ill afford to lose.

  72. Berdj J. Rassam said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Wish that I could say that I disagree with you, but I don’t.

  73. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    We love to get excited about prospects – no one more so than me – but it’s a simple truth that we get over-excited about prospects, often touting them as sure things when, by their nature, they are anything but. Let’s be frank – The Gmen are lacking the “Big Prospect.” You can lump us with the Braves, Nationals, Brewers, Angels, Tigers, Yankees and Blue Jays – all of whom could be considered contenders to varying degrees, but none of them have the kind of MLB ready impact prospect the Rays likely want.

    So, let’s be clear – YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS . . . In short, you can’t call out Sabean, when the frickin’ truth of the matter is that we do NOT have a Taveras, Polanco, or even a Singleton in our minor league system. That’s a fact Jack. So, the other way – playing for all the marbles this year, means giving up more then one prospect. Call it a bushel. Whatever. If you want the Giants to play “for all the marbles this year,” then it means giving up something for something.

    The Rays are old hands in this business. They do this every year. They know the drill. They have a blueprint on how to trade a star player for prospects. It’s a part of how they function, jettisoning their increasingly expensive stars who don’t sign team-friendly deals early in their careers for future stars who might. It’s a way to ensure they are always relatively competitive while functioning with a low payroll. It’s not an ideal plan, but it’s the best one for the resources with which they have to work.

    So, if you want a Price or even a Zobrist, just know the REALITY that you are dealing with.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      Well, I place MUCH different values on Zobrist and Price. That’s my real point.

      The thing about the Giants is they HAVE a lot of homegrown guys. Will every draft out as good? Well, no, not likely. But still and all, I’d hate to toss away 2 highly rated guys like Crick and Susac for Zobrist. They may get that from someone else. I wouldn’t do it for Zobrist. Price is a different story. Price is worth the risk IMO, IF we can sign him to a deal. Which would be similar to Cain’s. And therein lies another problem. Teams like Boston and the Yanks get into huge amounts of trouble going this route. You have 2 starting pitchers commanding $250 mill, things can get dicey when they crater. The Yanks got real good when their farm guys like Jeter, Rivera and the like came up and kicked ass. Not when they went free agent happy.

      The A’s do the same shit. They’d rather trade away talent for prospects for the most part. Now they have a very strong young stable of pitchers. What has it gotten them? Well, besides a cheap payroll and a bunch of young talent, nothing yet.

    • Bozo said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:44 pm

      I’ve been saying for awhile that I was all in for both. Fuck it, hand the Rays the keys to Richmond and go win another WS. If we don’t have the quality players teams want go for quantity. Shit,if we keep these kids, folks are just going to complain about how they don’t hit/pitch when we do bring them up, so I say go for it now.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        Exactly. I’m all about World Series. Now. Good post . . . I agree.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:57 pm

        By the by, if Crick, Blackburn, Brown, etc., eventually get called up – God forbid they are Bowker gang III. Ugh.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:03 am

      Excellent post, Blade. Very well said, and you nailed it bro.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 25, 2014 at 10:56 am

        Thanks Chi!

  74. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Just in case you are interested, here are some pics I took of the farewell football game at the Stick. We sat in the upper boxes, and I was too lazy to move, so they aren’t all that great . . .

    http://ninersforever.com/farewell-flag-football-game-at-the-stick/

    • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:20 am

      Charlie – those are cool as hell. Damn…wish I would have made this. I heard God was very popular in the locker room…he supposedly had a number of top shelf tequilas in his locker. Now that would have been a party. Love that Eddie D made the FINAL TD at The Stick, and was carried off the field by the team. That is absolutely the way to end it all. Love that man. Love the team. GO NINERS!

  75. WilcoJoe said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    If I recall doesn’t Baseball America do a midseason ranking of farm systems? Twin may know….With several of the Giants prospects struggling, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them fall to the last couple of spots. At this point, if the Rays want our top 4 prospects for Price and Zobrist, I make that move before they change their mind.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:21 pm

      My understanding WJ is that the Gmen prospects are ranked at the bottom 5-10 teams (more likely the last 5).

      Regarding the Rays, the source says, “. . . In return for either Price or Zobrist, the Rays want four of the Giants’ top prospects, headlined by Kyle Crick and Andrew Susac.”

      The operative word is “or” . . . not “and.”

      • sammyg said, on July 24, 2014 at 6:08 pm

        Your source is a moron then. Price is a much bigger fish.

      • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:22 am

        No Shit, sammyg? Now that (your comment) is genius. Anyone with half a fucking brain knows that Price is the big fish comparted to almost ANYONE who may be traded. Thanks for confirming the obvious.

    • Alleykat said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Heard Bumgarner’s farm rates #1 in all of baseball.He also specializes in Snot Shot drinks after dinner for those with extra strong stomachs.
      Our regular farm systems not nearly as well stocked..

  76. Alleykat said, on July 24, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    I’d give Tampa Crick,Susac,Blackburn,and Gary Brown!
    But now they throw in Desmond Jennings as well,

  77. DJLoo said, on July 24, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    No chance of getting Price. I’d be very happy with Denorfia and Kennedy. I don’t think the Padres care that much about trading within the division.

  78. Irish Kevin said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    By Henry Shulmans article in the Chron/SFgate, I would not hold out high hopes for Scutaro.

    If ever there was a time for Scutaro to start, it would be today. Day game after a night game with a left-hander, Cole Hamels, pitching for the home team. But Ehire Adrianza will be at second base.

    Manager Bruce Bochy did not come out and say Scutaro’s back is hurting, but read between the lines.

    “He’s playable,” Bochy said. “Could he go out there? Yes. Especially with a day game, we’re better off with a younger guy who doesn’t have any issues.”

  79. paulinasia said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Really, is anybody with both feet on the ground still holding out hope for Scutaro? Management keeps talking like he’s just a couple days away from resuming having an important role. They’ve been doing that for months. We hashed this out here before, back in March, April…. I suggested they just long-term DL him, let him earn his money this year, and then just release him. I also said he should just retire already. Others opined that he, like most athletes, has too much pride and would never just “retire”. Whatever. He’s done. 2B was considered by most about a month ago to be the biggest need for “fixing”, until it became clear that CF and a starting pitcher were more important with Pagan and Cain being out for who knows how long. If that’s still likely true in Sabean’s eyes, then no move for a new 2B will be made. So the question for 2B becomes, who among Uggly, Panik, Adrianza, Arias (gulp).. am I leaving anyone out?…. will step up? Or is 2B by committee among those players good enough to get the job done? No way Sabes can fortify all 3 positions. Someone on the team now has to step up to do the job. But 2 out of 3 of those positions, that would be very helpful, if the injured are not coming back anytime soon.

    • zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      Paul, it’s doubtful Scutaro would retire and walk away from the $6 million the Giants owe him next season.
      So, we’re all going to see more of this Giants/Scutaro dinner theatre charade again next season.
      And pity Baggs having to spend all season again next year giving Scutaro updates on Comcast.

      • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 am

        I beg to differ. If Scutaro can start a couple of times a week, and outside of that be available to PH, then I am down with this (as long as this is his desire, and management feels he can still contribute). I would not make any predictions on next year at this point.

  80. zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Cool photos from the Candlestick event, Chuck. Thanks for sharing! I was, however, baffled by the Rice “goat” reference. What’s the story on that? 🙂
    —-
    The A’s won big today, with Samarchakakhan getting the win. That was a nice pick-up for the A’s.
    —-
    I’ve been reading “Double Down,” a real entertaining and interesting book about the 2012 presidential election, written by the same authors of “Game Change,” a book about the 2008 presidential election, which was made into a pretty good movie.
    As the trade deadline approaches, we’ll see which teams “double down.”

  81. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    WilcoJoe asked where the Giants minor league system ranks . . . This is a Bleacher Report column, but it was done well in my opinion. Anywho, we rank 27th. Ugh . . . Here’s an excerpt from this article, “The Giants are so pitch-heavy that you wonder where the offense is going to come from in the future. On top of that, the arms they do have are either back-end-starter types or don’t throw enough strikes to reach their ceiling.” Read it and weep . . .

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2085265-ranking-all-30-mlb-farm-systems-post-2014-mlb-draft

    • zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      It’s grim lately on the farm, but I remember reading articles a few years ago that said the Royals would be world-beaters by now because of all the high draft picks they had due to their team sucking for so many years.
      The Astros have had the #1 pick, three years in a row; yikes, you have to feel some sympathy for Astro fans.

    • zumiee said, on July 24, 2014 at 6:00 pm

      The two lowest ranked teams, the Angels and Tigers, are doing pretty well for themselves this year at the big-league level.
      I was surprised to see the Red Sox ranked #1, after having won the World Series last year. But they’re not doing so well this season. Drawing a straight line from the farm to the bigs is not necessarily easy to do. The top talent isn’t always ready to go to the bigs.

    • WilcoJoe said, on July 24, 2014 at 6:06 pm

      Good read, thanks Blade! I didn’t realize the Dodgers had so much talent in their system. That is pretty scary when you think about the talent at the big league level…This might be the last year the Giants can make a run for it. I suspect rebuild mode will begin next year. I don’t see any other way around it

      • blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        Yeah, I agree WJ. That’s why I believe striking while the iron is hot. We have a chance this season and I hope we do everything (trade(s)) to maximize our chance this season. I have to keep reminding myself that it is very, very rare for a team not named the Yankees, to win 2 WS in the short span we did it in.

  82. blade3colorado said, on July 24, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Sammyg, your 6:08pm post, “Your source is a moron then. Price is a much bigger fish.”

    First, it’s not my “source.” Second, if you feel that way, go tell him . . .

    http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/giants-have-interest-in-price-and-zobrist-rays-asking-for-a-lot-in-return/

    • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:26 am

      Yeah, I had some choice words for Sammyg, too. Tool…

  83. WilcoJoe said, on July 24, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    Sounds like Uggla may be here for the Dodger series.

  84. unca_chuck said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Zumie, goat = greatest of all time.

  85. Macdog said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Giants taking 3 of 4 certainly took the sting out of today’s loss. It’s a shame, though, to see a gutty Huddy showing go to waste on a Morse miscue. Two losses on the road, one on a wild pitch, the other on an error. As others already mentioned, Hamels was tough today. I can’t recall him throwing even one first-pitch ball. Check that, he threw first-, second- and third-pitch balls to Pence in three different ABs. I know I shouldn’t bitch about Pence, and I can tolerate one of his head-scratching ABs per game, but not three. Ah well, it was a nice sunny day at the ballpark with my daughter; I love the funny little observations she makes on everything going on at the game. And as we left to go get a cheesesteak at Pat’s, the Giants were in the same position as when we entered: First place.

  86. Nipper said, on July 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Can’t wait for that Uggla. Finally in Orange and Black!

  87. SanDawg said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    Before the day is done, I want to get a couple of quick birthday shout-outs to a couple of my favorite people on the planet. My son Mattie turned 23 today and Barry Bonds turned the big 5-0.

  88. SanDawg said, on July 24, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Can anyone tell me the difference between a Bad Penny year and a Brad Penny year?

    • tedspe said, on July 25, 2014 at 12:31 am

      The letter “R”

      • blade3colorado said, on July 25, 2014 at 11:40 am

        That was fucking funny.

  89. James said, on July 24, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    The Baseball Project playing SF in September:

    http://www.thechapelsf.com/event/640721-baseball-project-san-francisco/?utm_source=MEL&utm_medium=77263

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 25, 2014 at 7:47 am

      Looks fun. Thanks, James.

    • Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:30 am

      Very cool…thanks for the share, James.

  90. tedspe said, on July 25, 2014 at 12:33 am

    Allow me to be (hopefully) the last individual to wish a happy birthday to Barry Bonds. .33 minutes too late. Medeteraniuminish time

  91. tedspe said, on July 25, 2014 at 1:00 am

    “Sabean would be bringing piss to a shit fight”
    Isn’t that a Sean Connery paraphrase? “Just like a wop…_

  92. tedspe said, on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 am

    And on that ‘Untouchables’ meets baseball note:

    A man becomes preeminent, he’s expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms, enthusiasms… What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork… Looks, throws, catches, hustles. Part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don’t field… what is he? You follow me? No one. Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? I’m goin’ out there for myself. But… I get nowhere unless the team wins.

    Hoods: Team!

    [Capone beats one of the men to death with a baseball bat]

    uhm…ouch?

    • Nipper said, on July 25, 2014 at 1:20 am

      That’s Uggla!

  93. Flabloxxxl said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:02 am

    Help is on the way: http://tinyurl.com/yddc76j

  94. willedav said, on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 am

    Utley rumors out there apparently courtesy of J. Kruk on his radio show. Wow, that would solve a couple problems immediately. Since Phils likely to jettison some high priced pitching, maybe couple prospects could swing this.
    Looking all over trade talks, don’t see Giants names involved anywhere…hmmmn.

  95. Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 9:17 am

    WillieD – would be a tough one, only because Utley is a 5/10 guy (5 years with current club and 10 years in the majors), and he can nix any proposed trades. On top of that, last I heard, he said he is very happy playing in Philly. Surprise me is all I can say…

  96. unca_chuck said, on July 25, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Shit, I’m once again amazed at how fast time flies. I was looking at MLB trade rumors, and Marlon Byrd’s name came up. I’m thinking yeah, why not? 30ish guy, some speed and power.

    He’s fricking 37? WTF?

    I feel like Rip van Winkle. Timmy’s 30, Byrd’s 37. I must be 70 by now . . .

  97. Chipower9 said, on July 25, 2014 at 9:59 am

    LMAO, Charlie. I know the feeling, bro. But seriously, I would take a flyer on Byrd (although Baseball Reference lists his age as 36.329). Of 5,200+ plate appearances, 662 have been leading off. He can bat all up and down the line-up (has the pop to be a middle of the line-up guy, too). He is making 8 mil this year, inked at 8 mil next year, and there is a club option in 2016 for…wait…you got it…8 mil. Maybe the Phillies would pick-up part of the coin.


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