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Back in the Home We Call Hell

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 12, 2014

After a day off to travel home and clear their collective mind, the Giants get a break today as they get to face Chris Sale. Uhhhhhhhhh…..this isn’t going to go well.

Supposedly the Giants were in on Jose Abreu but I doubt they went anywhere near what it took to get him.

Conor Gillaspe will likely be starting at 3rd base for the White Sox. We traded Gillaspe for someone named Jeff Soptic and that trade can safely be graded as an F- with Gillaspe turning into a serviceable corner infielder for Chicago.

But hey, math still says we are right in the thick of this so let’s go with the math tonight and hope for the best. At least we don’t have to deal with the DH position…..

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  1. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:44 am

    Yes. One positive with coming home. No DH. Fuck the DH.

    I am still rocking my rose-colored Polly shades and sipping my glass half full of my favorite beverage. The towel is stowed away for now.

    Let’s hope to see Vogey and crew surprise the hell out of us tonight.

    Still tripping on the fact that Robin Williams is gone…I had hoped to wake this morning and realize that it was all just a bad dream.

    I posted this last night on FB. This is just one of the many ways I will choose to remember the man, and the way he made us all laugh.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:25 am

      As I said yesterday, this team isn’t out of it. You, Bozo, Willie, Twin, myself and maybe a couple of others here have drank the Kool-Aid and I am fine with us going the lone ranger on this. Go Giants!

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:35 am

        Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!

        My Kool-Aid glass is half-full.

  2. zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Williams’ joke about Handgun Night at Candlestick made me think of one game in particular at the ‘Stick; it was on a July 3rd or 4th, in the 1980s, and it was the only time I was ever scared at a sporting event. The stadium was packed in an Independence Day raucous atmosphere, there were drunken brawls happening all over the place, and a few people were exploding cherry bombs during the game. It was behavior the wouldn’t be tolerated these days, but it was a different era in those days. The cherry bombs were exploding in random places, and it was very unnerving. It would be considered terrorism these days, and rightly so.

  3. stickman said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:56 am

    My breakfast habit is to read a chunk of newspaper along with the eating. Freshly pounded Costa Rican coffee beans in the pharm mortar and pestle. Couple of rolls with two cheeses and just picked garden goodies. And an old business section of the New York Times from 2012. Scanned a couple of stories on page one and then headed indoors.

    Wow. An actual headline story on the Giants. What? Looked up the page: October 26. Read the coveraage of Game One at Willie Mays Field when Panda hit those three off Verlander and all the rest of the unexpected magical heroics. Eyes misted over. Then checked out the photo of some fans, one holding a sign reading “Don’t Stop Believin.” Something a bit heavier than mist clouded things up. Must have been one of those famous San Francisco fogs.

    Maybe it was a sign. Maybe the home cookin will be good again.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:38 am

      If it was good then, then why not now…”Don’t Stop Believin'”

  4. salty said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:18 am

    This was in the chron’s story.
    After getting an opeation to replaced a heart valve, Williams fought back mock tears, saying to a reporter, “I don’t think they gave me a new valve but a tiny vagina. I don’t know. I get so emotional now.”

    • WilcoJoe said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:36 am

      That’s great! A lot of people don’t get his stand up routine and I really think it’s because he talks so fast. But if you read his jokes, they are usually pretty damn funny.

  5. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Unca and Dirt, regarding Posey possibly being switched to 3rd . . . As I noted on the other thread, I would prefer him at 1st too. However, that obviously is contingent on Belt not having Alzheimer’s (or the concussion equivalent), At one time I was adamant that Buster would have less value at 1st or 3rd versus catcher. I have since changed my mind. As Kawakami points out in the Mercury article, Posey has fallen so far from his MVP numbers that the “train has figuratively left the station” insofar as him ever replicating any semblance of that season again. His OPS is at .774 approximately. Last season it was career worst at .821.

    I’ll re-post what I said about Panda . . . “I don’t trust him to be the “man” with a 4-5 year $100 million plus contract. I see those numbers and I find it hilarious that anyone would give him this much scratch. Let some other idiot franchise do a “Figgins” contract. Below is a list of third baseman to sign free agent contracts longer than three years since the year 2000.

    Alex Rodriguez
    Adrian Beltre
    Aramis Ramirez
    Chone Figgins

    How’s that working out for the teams that signed these players? Other then Texas, I would say pretty shitty.”

    Kawakami also had some interesting thoughts about Lincecum, which I also agree with. I wont re-state them here, but will post his column:

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/08/11/posey-third-base-lincecum-bullpen-two-beloved-giants-might-headed-changes-next-year/

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:53 am

      Glad you re-posted here. I think Posey at 1b with Belt to LF is the best move as I don’t see the club spending a lot on position players in the off season and I think Belt would be a good LF. While I’m still undecided on opening the vault for Sandoval I don’t see how they can avoid it but I think that any money will go to another starter. Which I would agree with. This assumes of course that Belt is alright. I have a bad feeling on that one.

      Regarding your previous post on going negative. I agree. I know I don’t always make the most thoughtful posts. That just reflects me not taking most things too seriously but I usually try to stay positive both here and in 3d life so thanks for the reminder.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:16 am

        Regarding the negativity . . . I can go there too (as I pointed out in that post yesterday). Similar to what WJ said about depression, I try to remind myself to stay positive regardless of what is happening in my life. It is so easy to play the blame game by pointing a finger and not noticing the 3 pointed back at me.

    • Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:54 am

      I was also against moving Buster to another position, but unless they’re able to trade him, I think next year he’ll be wearing a different glove. We have 1B covered so Third would be the obvious choice if they let Pablo go, LF and 2B are open positions as well. Second Base? Why not, Jeff Kent was able to play the position.

      I heard Sanchez went back on the DL. took a foul tip off the mask in a rehab start is what I heard (haven’t confirmed it). If he sustained another concussion, I doubt we see him again this year.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:58 am

        I saw that somewhere too. Susac’s getting his shot as a result. He needs to make the most of it. He seems to be pretty good behind the plate with the bat being the issue.

      • salty said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:01 am

        Bummer about Hector. He has to switch positions. Or consider DH. Or retirement.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:04 am

        Maybe he could move to 3b? He may hit better if he’s not taking shots off the head.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:08 am

        Excellent posts Bozo and Dirt. I had forgotten about left field Dirt, i.e., there were many people who thought Belt going to left, whereby Buster could play 1st, was a doable plan. I also love the thinking out of the box move to 2nd (especially since Buster played SS in college). Last, but not least – for the same reasons you cited Dirt, I think pitching will be the priority next season and unless Pablo gives us a “home town” discount (hilarious I know), I say “adios Panda.” One other thing – not this season, but I agree with Kawakami about Lincecum going to the bullpen as the closer. In short, we bite the bullet on his contract and start recognizing at best, he is an inconsistent starting pitcher. This move worked for Eckersley and Smoltz, so I think it would work for Lincecum. Let’s face it, most times Lincecum is great for 20-30 pitches before the wheels fall off. That pitch count is perfect for a closer. Thanks for sharing you guys!

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:12 am

      I’ve been beating the drum a long while that Buster ultimately will play something other than C, and sooner rather than later. I think that is definitely in the cards in the next season or two. There will be big changes in this team next season. Has to be…

  6. Flabloxxxl said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:40 am

    After tonight’s games, I may roll myself in honey and throw myself to the lesbians.

  7. WilcoJoe said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:41 am

    This loss has hit me harder than most. As someone who has been on medication for depression for about the last eight years and probably for the rest of my life, I can only hope that this will allow more people to understand this disease. I for one am still very hesitant to tell people that I have it. This morning Mike Greenberg of Mike and Mike closed his show by admitting that he has been treated for depression for the better part of half his life. I thought that was a stand up move.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:49 am

      Thanks for sharing WJ . . .

      • WilcoJoe said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:53 am

        I joke that I am not sure if I got it due to heredity (My mom has it bad) or from years of following the Giants.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 am

      Thanks for sharing Joe. While not me personally, I deal with this in my family life. I’m not going to pretend I know how it feels but I can say I know it can be extremely difficult. If you ever need an outlet reach out man.

      • WilcoJoe said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:12 am

        Thanks Dirt. I don’t have “severe” depression by any means, so I know a lot of folks have it much worse. As long as I continue my meds, my life is no different than any one else. It’s funny, most people that know me would never in a million years think I have it. That’s why folks like Mike Greenberg admitting they have it, is so important.

  8. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:04 am

    We have a woman friend that suffers from bi-polar disorder. It’s tough. I don’t understand why “mental illnesses” are considered differently from other illnesses. I’m no MD, but many if not all “mental illness” issues have a definite physical component, an imbalance or other problem with brain chemistry. If you have diabetes, you have a problem with insulin imbalance, so you go on medication that helps. Same with mental imbalances. Though they are harder to treat, more nuanced, may require a counseling part to the treatment, and more obvious because they impact the person’s personality, which is very visible, unlike many “physical” illnesses. Medical insurance coverages also are very stingy with treatment for mental illness, as if people are making the illness up or something, trying to fleece somebody. I think it fair to say many street people have mental disorders that go without treatment at all. After some modern progress, Reagan largely started this retrograde view by cutting funds for mental care. It’s all nonsense. The way we treat people with mental disorders in this country is a scandal…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:50 am

      Good post. I agree. By the by, who closed the Agnew hospital facility and when was that done?

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      And the severe lack of resources to a) identify, and b) treat those with mental disorders is one of the primary reasons behind mass shootings.

      It is something that we must change or more of the same will continue to happen.

  9. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:15 am

    At this point, the Giants better sign Panda. If they don’t, and get nothing but a pick for him, IMO that will be a huge blunder, given the lack of talent in this organization that could have been boosted with a deadline trade of Panda…

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:21 am

      I imagine Sandoval is looking around the clubhouse and thinking except for Cain he was around before all of these guys and wants some of that cheddar too.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:30 am

        Yep, I have no doubt he has that perception. He wants to get paid. I hope he likes the Yankees.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:25 am

      Snarkk, I disagree for the excellent reason Dirt cited – pitching has to be the priority next season. Cain is a question mark; and Lincecum should be moved out of the rotation. The $35 million spent on his contract is wasted on him as a starter, so let’s think out of the box and get some value for him as our closer. No way, no how, will Timmy be traded. Fan uproar, ticket sales, and merchandise sales would all be affected. We will need a front line pitcher regardless of what happens to Lincecum.

      One more grandiose long term contract that doesn’t work out will sink this franchise for 3-5 years. I guarantee that, especially if the money is spent on Sandoval.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm

        When I say they “better” sign him, it’s tongue in cheek for the most part.
        I was on record totally for trading him for young bodies, due to the empty cupboard of this organization of same. Now, they will lose him, very likely, to a nutzo AL team that will pay huge $. And the Giants in return get nothing but a first round draft pick, aka, pretty much pfffft for 3+ years, and maybe pffft forever. If so, it’s a huge blunder, IMO…

  10. willedav said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:17 am

    No way SF is in near as bad shape as Phils; for one the divisions are completely different. Phils are clearly bottom feeder with slim hopes to contend in near future, while SF has 3 teams I doubt challenge them and LA for at least a couple years. Sherps and DBax leadership very questionable, Pads young hitters still a ways off.

    I have high hopes for Panik attack group, and maybe Duvall learns OF. Young pitching hopefully makes back end expendable, team gets younger.

    If all LA does is acquire likes of Fausto Correia and Barney, that’s not gonna scare anyone this year or next.

  11. willedav said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Kind of surprised J Niese cleared waivers and can be traded. Not half bad and doesn’t have bad contract either. Hmmn.
    Granderson, different story. Terrible blunder by Mets and Alderson.
    At least Sabes didn’t bite on any of the high priced FAs last year(s), most of whom have disappointed.

  12. Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Wilco– thx for sharing–really hope I get to meet you one day.

  13. unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Cain is grading out below Timmy these days. I don’t see Tim Tim out of the rotation these next 1.5 years. They have other fish to fry, as in replacing Vogie after this year, and wondering about Huddy’s effectiveness.

    Sabean was right when he said doing anything for the offense by giving up Panda is going to be tough. They don’t really have a choice other than to lose 20/80. Who brings that? I mean, unless we are involved in some kind of huge deal with multiple players, we lose Panda, we lose a lot of offense. Gillaspie certainly isn’t going there.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 11:46 am

      Considering Cain had to shut it down and have surgery to remove the bone chips I’m hoping he returns to form. Lincecum I don’t even know what to think. I have doubts that he can be a closer as Blade points to above.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2014 at 11:59 am

        Timmy ain’t no closer. Middle relief is a possibility, but we ain’t paying $18 mill next year for a middle reliever.

        No one else is going to the game tonight?

      • unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:01 pm

        Yeah, that’s even more reason to not lose Timmy. He’s fine as 4 now. Or even 5 depending on what they can get next year. But Bummie appears to be the only solid guy at this point.

  14. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Listen, I don’t know from suicides. Y’know, where I grew up, in Brooklyn, nobody committed suicide.
    Everyone was too unhappy.
    -Woody Allen

  15. Irish Kevin said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Agree Chuck, long reliever for Tim. So for argument sake, next year we have Sussix at catcher, Posey 1B, Panik 2nd, Crawford SS, Pablo 3B, Pence CF, Belt LF, and the Giants need a RFielder. I don’t think you can count on Pagan being health next year. this is the second year in a row that he will have played in less than 100 games. That is why I moved Pence to Center Field.

    • DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      Markakis should be available…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      Who the fuck is Sussix? Do you mean Susac?

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      I have my concerns about Pagan’s health, but he is signed through 2016 (9 mil next year and 10 mil in 2016). If he is healthy in ST, he will be the starting CFer.

  16. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    I’ve said often before that the future of Lincecum is in the Pen. Closer, I dunno. He has obviously a lot of control problems right out of the gate in many games. Whether he could redux the good work he did out of the Pen in the 2012 post-season on a consistent basis is highly speculative. Chances of another Eckersley seem slim to me. Under the present deal though, $17 million for a 7th inning Pen guy seems ludicrous, actually…

  17. James said, on August 12, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    It’s still a little hard to fathom just how incredibly bad Tim has been over the last three years. In 2014, he is again near the bottom of the list for ERA and very near the worst in park adjusted ERA among starting pitchers. In the latter category, he and Edwin Jackson have kept each other company in 2013 and 2014.

    Like Zito before him, it is debatable whether or not he should even be on a ML roster at this point.

    • Alleykat said, on August 12, 2014 at 1:42 pm

      Bold statement James, that Tim should not even be on a ML roster.
      Have to strongly disagree, when you have a 2 time Cy Young winner, 2 W/S rings,2 No Hitters and a class act teammate who never missed a start and does help the team when Bochy makes a suggestion like going to the pen in the past, when other pitchers might bitch.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      Pretty much just an innings eater at this point.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:08 pm

        Concur. Tim Tim is an inning eater at this point. And I agree with snarkk and others…17 mil for middle relief. That shit isn’t going to fly, and I do not see him having what it takes to be a regular closer.

  18. Alleykat said, on August 12, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Can’t see Timmy as a closer at all. To unpredictable with his control and he can’t hold runners, so their steal like hell against him. Eck always had pinpoint control, just dominating, teams didn’t run on him, mainly cause they were never on base.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 1:55 pm

      Agreed. I don’t see Timmy a Giant beyond the 2015 end date of his contract. Beyond that, he might end up a Mariner just for the heckuvit…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      Good point AK. I hadn’t honestly thought of his inability to hold runners – which to date, he has been incapable of. Couple that with the fact, a closer more times then not, comes in with a runner(s) on, yeah your point makes sense.

      I do agree with James though that Timmy would have a hard time being on a roster not named Giants. He is loved here and the dollars he generates via merchandising and ticket sales is unbelievable. Nevertheless, you can probably look forward to more of the same shit next year, as this will make it 3 years in a row that he has sucked. Show me anyone who has turned the ship around after that long of suckitude? Number 5 pitcher forever going forward in my opinion.

  19. Macdog said, on August 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Sale suspended 50 games!

    Ooops, wrong one.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Tampa Bay Rays minor league outfielder Joshua Sale has been suspended 50 games without pay after a second failed test for a drug of abuse.

    Major League Baseball made the announcement Tuesday. The suspension is effective immediately.

  20. unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Yeah, he plays out the string, and goes long relief in Seattle in 2016. Much as I love the guy, he isn’t getting another deal barring a sea-change in results. He HAS been better this year, but as usual, it’s fits and starts.

  21. unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    I wouldn’t go that far, James.

  22. Flabloxxxl said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm
    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      What a frickin’ asshole. Someone dies and you attempt to derive a lame joke about it? Lowest piece of troll shit move I have seen from anyone in quite some time. Go back under the rock you came from.

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:28 pm

        Plus, the troll is ignorant, as trolls usually are. He doesn’t understand what the Hollywood Stars event is. It’s a celebrity ballgame, and it’s played before a Dodger game, but it has nothing to do with what teams the celebrities are fans of. Billy Crystal played in the event, and he’s a hardcore Yankees fan.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:18 pm

        Total dickwad with no class. The type that needs to be taken out behind the wood shed.

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:38 pm

      Completely disjointed….no one understands what you are trying to say..idiotic. But what can we expect from Dodger fans…

  23. gianthead said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Bozo mentioned Posey to second. What about Panda playing second? Thoughts?

    Seems like Panda in shape is a little lighter on his feet for second than Posey would be…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      Just my opinion GH – Panda has a great first step, but that’s it. His range would be limited.

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        Same with Posey dont you think at 2b?

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        Dunno. Posey has played SS (actually, I think he has played all positions in college). Anywho, I am on record as thinking the Giants wont commit the scratch to sign Panda next year and personally, I am fine with them doing that.

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        Crawford is the guy we need to see some consistency out of…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        I have been following the dialogue here, and I have to say, I am leaning the same way as Blade (and this after I said they needed to back up the Brinks truck in regards to Pablo the other night). Use that money to get a true ANCHOR to your rotation, and another OFer.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm

        Yeah, I have no idea what will happen ultimately, but next year is big with regard to changes I think.

  24. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Baggs with a reality check.
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/rewind-giants-cascade-disappointments-kc

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      yup, he nailed it. No way in hell I sign Panda, by the way. We are probably looking at a re-build starting next year and committing 100 mil to Pablo would be idiotic, in my opinion. But the teams sells a lot of those Panda hats so they’ll probably sign him and then tell the passive season ticket holders that they’ve maxed out their payroll and this is the team they get.
      People say, “well there’s nothing else out there, you HAVE to sign Panda.” No you don’t. I’d rather that $$$ go to any and all Cubans they can get their hands on, whether they can play third base or not.
      Put a replacement player at third, I don’t give a shit. Sabean, bring me the next Puig. That’s what I want and what this team needs. The Giants have proven they’re quite adept at over-paying the guys they already have. That isn’t working.
      Find the next Puig or Cespedes or Abreu.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        Of course they shouldn’t sign him, other than for about $10M a year for 3 years, tops. So, they likely won’t, the Yanks will waive a big 5 year check, or some AL team will. Instead of identifiable, good AA minor leaguers they could have traded for him two weeks ago, now they’ll get a draft pick as he waives good by in December. Swell, another drafted pitcher that might be ready in 2018…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        Agree, and another top-flight starter.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      Sheesh, what a killjoy snarkk. Just kidding. Our chances do look stark, but I am not giving up on this season. Glad to see that Flavor agrees that it is idiocy to sign Pablo for a gazillion dollars. GH mentioned Crawford too and I agree with Baggs – GET RID OF THE MOFO! He makes the spectacular fielding play, but muffs the easy ones. As a hitter, he is approaching Mendoza like numbers. The feel good story of him hitting lefties is like stale bread – it happened months ago it seems like.

      In short, no playoffs or even one and out – blow up the team. However, right now – I still say, “Go Giants!” There is still time to turn this frickin’ season around.

      • Nipper said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:39 pm

        No way. Still one can enjoy the team and it’s players.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:25 pm

        I agree…it ain’t over.

  25. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    I’ll hold my powder dry until the off season, but if the Giants continue on current course and speed and miss the playoffs, I’m thinking a snarkk tirade against Sabes is in the offing…

    • Nipper said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      You can’t play the injured.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:08 pm

        No, you can’t. You play your bench. Which suxxxxx…

  26. Nipper said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Say adios to Pablo. Remember this is his salary drive. Still he’s a man child and with a big contract he’ll never live up to it. He’s not that type of player. He’s hot for a few weeks and then he disappears. His weight will always be an issue. Those stupid Panda hats make people look like morons even the kids.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:41 pm

      Agree Nip . . . (now someone commit me).

  27. Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Puig is such an idiot. He just hit a lazy fly ball to right field but he decides to bat-flip his bat in disgust. Problem was, it went right at Kemp who was standing in the on deck circle. Kemp had to jump out of the way and glared at Puig coming back to dugout.
    Hilarious.
    I wish their dysfunction was something we could take advantage of.

    • James said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      The problem is that cumulative talent and luck always trump the intangibles. A team of talented bearded right wing survivalists and arrogant, unruly, disrespectful Puigs who don’t hustle has as much chance of winning as a team full of yes ma’ming Buster Posey’s (circa 2012).

  28. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
    2. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    3. Buster Posey (R) C
    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
    5. Michael Morse (R) LF
    6. Adam Duvall (R) 1B
    7. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    9. Ryan Vogelsong (R) P: 7-8, 3.77 ERA

    • salty said, on August 12, 2014 at 6:34 pm

      Your 2015 Giants!

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:15 pm

        Plug Belt into that line-up and then, I believe, you will have the 2015 opening day line-up.Hard to say if Pablo will be there, or not. And no way Vogey is back next year.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      Their power line up.

  29. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Classy words for Robin Williams from the Giants. Our team may be sucking in many aspects right now, but they never miss a beat on public acknowledgement of their own, and of the locals and fans.

    • DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:25 pm

      Yet they can’t seem to locate Jim Ray Hart…

  30. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    FUCK!!

  31. Manny said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Hell, Vogie might as well put that on a tee for Dunn.

  32. James said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Adam Dunn, one of the ultimate SABR beer league dudes. A better Michael Morse.

  33. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Down 2 runs after a half inning…..

    Miller: “The Giants have their work cut out for them.”

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      Brilliant…hall of fame material…

  34. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Really? You have got to be kidding me.

  35. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Being a Flapper needs to be just like investing. When the crowd all begins to go one way you must resist and go the other. Giants win 5-2. Pagan and Craw playing major roles!!!

  36. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    And now that Crawford’s back from his mini benching… Posey needs some bench time. His inability to drive in runs is driving me crazy. How about Posey 2nd Pence 3rd???

  37. James said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Tom O’Malley did have at least 2/3 of a decent season for SF. And Bill Mueller a few complete ones.

  38. Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Way to get out of that inning, Houdini.

  39. Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Did the losing at Home start when they put in the Kale garden?

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      It started when they stopped hitting.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 7:57 pm

        Flavor does a “looism.” Now that was funny.

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        Loo’s a 1000 times funnier than me or anyone I know.And to think, MacDog got to go to a game with him. That’s like bbqing with BigFoot

      • Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm

        Hmm, maybe they should switch out the Kale for some HGH spinach.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:41 pm

        Craig – “that’s like bbqing with BigFoot.” Classic…

  40. Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    3 down. Show of hands right now of anyone who thinks we are not getting shutout tonight……

    • Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      We are not getting shutout tonight.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm

        Ditto. Actually, we are going to win.

  41. Flavor said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Jerome Williams is shutting out the Angels right now through 4. Now THAT is funny.

    • SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:13 pm

      …and Jesse Foppert has 9 strikeouts for the Blue Jays tonight!

      • SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:15 pm

        Ok, I just made that up. But I always think of Foppert when I think of Jerome. I remember when they were featured in an ESPN mag article together and it looked like they were going to anchor our rotation for years.

      • DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        And Ainsworth…

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:25 pm

        The Bowker Gang of pitchers.

      • DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm

        Excellent, zum…

      • SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:30 pm

        I just did a little research….how many total games do you think the Foppert Gang won in a Giants uni? For extra credit, which of the 3 won the most?

      • SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        31. 17 for Williams, 8 for Foppert, and 6 for Ainsworth.

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        Probably about 6 games total. Williams probably won about 4 of them, before all of them got swallowed by an apparition of foggy bleakness.

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:39 pm

        Wow- 31. Who’da thunk it?

      • SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:44 pm

        Surprised me too. That was about what I would have guessed for Foppert, but I forgot Jerome won that many (he won 10 in one season) and I thought Ainsworth only started a game or 2 for us

  42. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    That shift shit is bullshit. Or, at least it would be if the hitters took advantage of it. Dumb fuckers.

  43. zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    The Giants have been shut-out 13 times this season so far, I think.
    The record, if anyone’s wondering, is held by the 1908 Cardinals, who were shut-out 33 times.

    • James said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:43 pm

      I think we should be marveling at the economy of the Giants’ offense. It’s not that easy to be shut out that many times and still be over 500 without some very carefully timed offensive outbursts . . . .

  44. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    We’re efficient like IBM.*

    * No idea what that means. 🙂

  45. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Hold the course. 5-2 is coming…

  46. James said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Adam Dunn in RF . . . I’ll take a team that can pitch and hit over one that has hitting and “defense” or pitching and “defense” any day.

    Just posting this to ensure a critical Dunn misplay tonight 🙂

  47. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    I was once at a New York Ranger game during a rough stretch and the crowd started chanting:
    “LAST PLACE – WE SUCK!!!” (clap, clap – clap clap clap)

  48. zumiee said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    “Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.”
    Harriet Beecher Stowe

    Harriet’s got her rally cap on.

    • DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      “Time and tide wait for no man.”
      -Ed Norton

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:19 pm

        “How sweet it is!”
        -Jackie Gleason…

  49. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    The good thing about the Gyros playing AAA players due to injury is that those players get to be evaluated. The bad thing about it is that they appear to substantiate the suckage minor league rankings of the Giants…

  50. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Haft’s story and more on Cain’s elbow chips and Sanchez’ latest concussion.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140812&content_id=89275984&notebook_id=89283580&vkey=notebook_sf&c_id=sf

    http://news.yahoo.com/cain-upbeat-elbow-surgery-030017032–mlb.html

    Cain had his bone chips placed in a jar, and viewing it, Bochy was amazed Cain was able to pitch with that much crap floating in his elbow. So, with MRIs and Xrays, why they didn’t clean this out in a previous offseason to avoid this exact situation during a regular season remains a mystery to me.

    I don’t understand how the the Giants medicos can keep putting Hector out there behind the plate with this many head shots in one season — he’s supposed to start catching again tomorrow. IMO he should be shut down from catching for this season…

  51. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Posey 0- last 14 isn’t helping one tiny little bit. B Craw 2 out walk off. Calling my shot. I haven’t pulled out a called shot in a while so not to abuse it. Just in case I never told…

    2000 playoffs I was along 1st base with my dad. Explained the exact 2 guys who would get on, and why Snow would pinch hit and tie it up with a 3 run homer off Benetez. Worked exactly and at least 3 other people heard me say it. Awesome thrill to celebrate with others in the stands as the stadium shook. Of course it would have been better if we had won in extra’s..

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:48 pm

      I was at that game sportdude (the JT home run). Section 138. Last good memory of that series.

  52. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    We’re outhitting them 4-3…

  53. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Do you bunt Ishi? I would…

  54. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Giants with the rally started.
    I’ve been out so long, I had no clue Ishi was back. Oy.
    OK, let’s get this rally moving forward…

  55. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Well, if he is to swing away, might want to put the runners in motion.

  56. SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    I never bunt. Ever. This is getting interesting.

  57. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Arias .196 Ishi .186 we are out of .100 hitters..only .200 hitters left!

  58. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    ’bout time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Let’s get it on…

  60. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Velly intellesting…

  61. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Sale was at 117 pitches, so despite dominating the Giants, he gone. Now, Giants start a rally.
    I don’t believe much in this pitch count crap. If a starter is dominating, let him finish…

  62. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Motherfucker!!

  63. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Fucking Beckham. Damn.

  64. Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Goodbye shutout, now let’s win this fucker.

  65. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Giants not getting many breaks these days…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm

      Weren’t getting any until Craw’s moment. Moreover, they weren’t positioned for any big moments anyway if truth be known.

  66. sportdude said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    YESSSSSSS

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm

      Good call Sportdude!

  67. Macdog said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Craw baby!

  68. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Boy, good for Craw! He needed that one…

  69. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Fuck Yeah!

  70. DJLoo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    SPORTSDUDE!!! Close enough!!!

  71. SanDawg said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Pretty damn close to an amazing call Sportdude!

  72. James said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    close enuff, sportdude

  73. Bozo said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Tied up.

  74. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Craw came up large in a big moment.

  75. snarkk said, on August 12, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Not that I care, but if I’m Sale, I’m PO’d…


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