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Fall Out from the Review Reversal

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 14, 2014

Finding the whining about yesterday’s review reversal to be amusing. You could argue that the rule should be changed (though I would disagree with that) but you can’t argue the call. You are not allowed to block the plate unless you have the ball. Period. I didn’t read any of Flowers’ comments after the game, but I hope he ate this one. If he didn’t, then he doesn’t know the rules of his trade and that’s inexcusable. 

White Sox fans can moan and cry next to their puppet Hawk but it just shows a stunning lack of perspective (similar to the female Baltimore Raven fans who wore Ray Rice jersey’s to their last pre-season game). 

I don’t think they should change the rule because it’s in place for one reason: safety. Do not block the plate unless you have the ball. 

How hard is that to figger out? 

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  1. twinfan1 said, on August 14, 2014 at 8:53 am

    *Why not put Twitter to some useful purpose and have fans around the world make the call by tweeting their safe or out calls to New York ?
    * The error on Sandoval’s drive was incorrectly charged to Dunn even though the CFer did not allow Dunn a clear 8-lane path to the ball
    *Further proof that steroids can only do so much and only last so long – 73 year old Troy Tulowitzki will undergo surgery after he broke his hip when he fell while racing to the john. He is expected to recover in time for the World Shuffleboard Tournament in December.
    * Expect Cole Hamels to be wearing a Giant’s uniform by Sunday. That durn Murph is quite the prankster
    *The players are losing faith in Bam-Bam and vice-versa- Morse and Meulens were both wearing “I’m with Stupid” T-Shirts as Mike took batting tips from Hensley yesterday

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2014 at 9:01 am

    “That’s not the purpose of this rule. The purpose of the rule is to prevent a situation like Posey had. It’s not when a guy’s out by 30 feet. ‘Oh, he blocked the plate? That had no impact on him being safe or out’. And there’s no clarification on that. I understand the rule as much as anyone else, which isn’t 100 percent. You got to put the whole play together, though. That play is different than a throw from centerfield.” — Tyler Flowers.

    • Flavor said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:18 am

      clearly, he doesn’t understand the rule.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 am

        Yeah, he conveniently ignores how prior to the rule a guy would build 30 feet of steam prior to launch. That said, I think there need to be some sort of refinement to the rule and the replay process in the off season.

  3. DJLoo said, on August 14, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Who’s old enough to remember the great Richmond Flowers?

    • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:08 am

      I think I am as old as you, but have no idea…

    • unca_chuck said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:14 am

      I remember Wayland Flowers.

      • stickman said, on August 14, 2014 at 12:17 pm

        I seem to recall both Gennifer Flowers and “wear some flowers in your hair”.

    • willedav said, on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 am

      Tennessee guy Loo? Great athlete in few sports as I recall…have to look up who he played for…NYGiants???

    • Macdog said, on August 14, 2014 at 11:58 am

      http://tinyurl.com/lmasr7n

  4. unca_chuck said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:13 am

    They WILL tweak the rule after the season. Book that. Seeing as the play was a grounder, Flowers didn’t have a hell of a lot of time to even reposition himself to get out of the way. (Editor’s note: I just noticed that Flowers noted that it was an infield play and thus should be considered different from a tag play.)

    The point being, he has about 1.5 seconds to get out of his crouch, toss his mask, check to see if the runner’s coming, reposition himself out of the way of the plate to give the runner a path, but not too far, as he still has to be in position to make a tag, catch the ball, and make the tag. That’s an awful lot to process in a split-second.

    I can see a BIG difference between an infield play at the plate, and a play where a ball is hit to the OF, and the runner is tagging. mainly because of the time involved waiting for the throw.

    The point being, Flowers HAD the ball 2 steps before Blanco got there. So, by definition, he had the ball when he was blocking the plate. The fact that he was there before the ball got there to me should be inconsequential, as he’s normally behind the plate as the catcher, and it was a grounder to a drawn-in infielder.

  5. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Good call on the blocking the plate, Flav. I agree with your synopsis.

    Kemp with the DP ground in the 9th (bases juiced) to end it for the bumbinos. Love it.

    Take this off day to get everything straightened-out and get ready to put a whoopin’ on the Phillies. Big Country vs. Hamels in game one…should be a hell of a game. Am hoping like hell that Madison can find his AT&T mojo.

    Hudson and Timmy to close out the series. I am going to go all Polly on your asses and call for a Gigante sweep. It is time for that run that a handful of us have talked about to materialize…GO GIANTS!

    Fuck the bums and the trolls.

  6. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:36 am

    I just saw the replay:

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/rewind-giants-use-loophole-end-peavys-winless-streak

    And bad rule or not, it IS the fucking rule, RIGHT NOW. And Flower’s foot WAS between Blanco and the plate BEFORE he had the ball. As the rule is written, Blanco is safe…no fucking question.

    • stickman said, on August 14, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      Whatever the play and the wording of the rule, chalk it up as a tiny bit of payback to the Giants for Creepy Cousins taking out Buster and Giants postseason hopes in 2011. Karma may be a bitch and even pick on the wrong people at times, but cosmic payback is real enough.

  7. paulinasia said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Agree, Chi, time that this thing gets turned around. One victory (yesterday) doth not a turnaround make, but the seeds were planted the last few days and it really seems the team is ready to march forward again instead of sinking like a stone in the division. Time will tell. Plus a stellar pickup by Sabean. Well, a guy can hope…

    • paulinasia said, on August 14, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      Meaning… .still hoping Sabes picks someone up to help the cause before Sept. 1

      • twinfan1 said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:06 pm

        Rios should be a no brainer now- small financial outlay, won’t require much in prospects, club option for 2015.
        The rest of the way…
        * Morse- time to platoon at first-with Ishi. Duvall off the bench .
        * Rios- get him
        * Blanco- spell Pagan, pinch hit
        * Pagan- give him a day a week off
        * Posey- 1st base when Timmy pitches
        * Susac- back down when Hector is ready
        * Panik/Duffy- platoon, give Matt a day a week at SS as well
        * Panda, Pence- everyday, every inning
        * Vogey, MadBum, Hudson, Peavy- good enough
        *Timmy- dude, step up or we’ll find something oblique-ish to strain
        * Pen-ain’t broke, no need to fix

      • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:25 pm

        I like it Michael. Agree with all points…especially the need to pick-up someone like Rios who is low cost, and can send Blanco back to his rightful place on the bench. I still would have like Zobrist (or someone like him who can play the IF and OF). Gotta love the flexibility someone like that affords a manager.

      • salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:42 pm

        Rios needs to proves his ankle is sound..that’s a big if now after he reinjured it Sunday. If so and the price is right, go for it.

  8. Phlabloxxxl said, on August 14, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    The Giants still have a great chance to make the playoffs.

    • Flabloxxxl said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:16 pm

      Not if they keep losing half a game a day.

      • Flabloxxxl said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:42 pm

        Actually, losing just half a game is a pretty good day for them recently.

  9. zumiee said, on August 14, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    The Braves are sliding to .500; the Dodgers defeated them again. I think the Dodgers went something like 5-1 against them this season.
    Brian Wilson got shelled for three runs today, so at least there’s that.

  10. salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Checking the wild card teams now more than LA. Realistic about catching LA now. Maybe the Rooster has their record since the break. They seem fine without hamram.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      Pains me to say it, but best record in the NL. Fuck the bums.

  11. salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Just feels damn good to get a *win*.

    Turnaround? The cynic might note they have been shut out in last 16 of last 18 innings. 😉

    Gotta like that they came from behind both games but it was the chisox. They need to do a lot better with runner at 3d and less than 2/outs. Try a safety squeeze ferchrissakes!?

    Obviously need HR’S or they are going to struggle. Hicks and Morse gave them a lot of pop early on and they sorely miss that.

  12. willedav said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    I’ve seen enough of Hector. He’s not much of a hitter and the D still leaves a lot to be desired. His injuries represent a great sacrifice on his behalf. But I’d rather see more of Susac. Let him stay up, catch as many of SPs as possible as long as Belt is out and Posey and others man 1b.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      I am with you 100% Willie. Everyone talks about trade pieces…fuck, package Hector (switch-hitting catcher). He should garner as much as Craw.

  13. blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Rios (ankle) is back in the lineup Wednesday against the Rays. However, he still is not 100%. So an MRI was ordered after Rios aggravated an ankle injury during Sunday’s game, and while the results were never formally disclosed, it’s clear nothing too serious was found.

    My take – Giants need to do everything possible to obtain him for the stretch run. Agree with Michael that he can be had for a song, especially since he’ll be discounted due to being lame (well, a bit more then a song, but you get my drift).

    Regarding Sanchez, I don’t want him back . . . Mostly because I think his health is at risk. Give the kid Susac a chance. We already know what Sanchez is capable of and moreover, I doubt he can even provide that with his bell having been rung one too many times. Unbelievable that the Giants are fucking around with this guy’s health.

    • salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      Blade, do everything possible??

      • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:59 pm

        “Everything possible” within the context of what he is worth, which as I pointed out, is going to be discounted due to his age, and current health (ankle injury). Salty, Rios is like found gold. Texas is in the process of blowing up their team (worst team in the majors not named Houston and Colorado) and it wont take much to obtain him. Giants should go after him in my opinion.

  14. Nipper said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    How about winning more? At least at home. The players have to play up to their abilities. If not then all is lost for this season. Additional players from somewhere else will not mean a thing.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      Two comments. 1) You emphatically wrote the team off a couple of weeks ago. 2) A guy like Rios could make huge differences…if nothing else, it sends Blanco’s ass to the bench where it belongs.

  15. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    For those interested…Nice story about a local gal who was a big Giants fan (and bat girl for a couple of years). She was lost in a sailing race off the Farallons.

    http://www.sfgate.com/giants/shea/article/Late-Giants-batgirl-Alexis-Busch-would-ve-turned-5687480.php

    • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      I remember when this story came out a few years ago and it still hurts. Thanks for sharing Chi.

      • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:47 pm

        Me too, Blade. Thought it worth sharing…

    • Bozo said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      That’s Corey Busch’s daughter. She was the bat girl we had for a couple of years (the only one I know of). MLB said she couldn’t do it anymore after 9/11. Corey and Alexis sat in front of me at a game after she was exiled from the dugout (she was pissed), Corey and I talked about 80s Giants players and Alexis and I talked about the current ones of the time (2000s). She knew her baseball and loved Dunston. She gave a book about Koufax to Estes and he started to string some wins together, he left the book in a hotel and started to string together a bunch of losses, she just shook her head, like what an idiot he is.I really enjoyed talking to both of them during that game. I was floored when she died

      • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:19 pm

        Good stuff John. Yep, I remember her being the bat girl for those two seasons. Thanks for sharing…some cool memories.

  16. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    As a father blessed with a daughter who loves the game of baseball probably as much as me, this article really hit home. I just cannot imagine life without my daughter. My thoughts are with the Busch family as they celebrate Alexis’s life at the McCartney concert tonight.

  17. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Not sure if anyone has already posted this, but I think three is a lot of potential merit here.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_26333293/kawakami-lincecum-and-posey-and-time-change

    Posey to 3rd (or 1st if they trade Belt). Let Pablo sign with the YankMees for way more than he is worth. Use that coin to sign a starter and an OFer.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      I shared that Chi and I agree Kawakami’s ideas have merit. In fact, I also liked Dirt and Bozo’s idea about moving Belt to left field and Posey to 1st; or, as suggested by Bozo – trying Posey out at 2nd. Similarly, Tim will be going on 3 seasons of mediocre results. Why not move him to the bullpen or even, try him out as the closer? Shit, the $35 million dollars has already been flushed down the toilet. Regardless, of whether we make the playoffs (and I still think we will) – the Giants brass needs to think outside the box next year. Sans a World Series appearance, this team needs to be blown up . . . Stranger things can happen, but again, no good playoff run – it will be high time to evaluate everyone on this team and replace the dead wood.

      In short, recapturing 2012 with this roster in 2015 is pure lunacy in my opinion. Sort of like those movie studios coming out with Jaws XVII. 🙂

      • Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:48 pm

        Was not sure if anyone had shared it. My visits have been sporadic, and I rarely go back and read all of the previous comments. Sorry for the duplication of posts. I could see the move of Belt to LF and Posey to 1st. But seriously, if they do not sign the Panda, then I would consider Posey there, too. Timmy to the pen makes the utmost sense to me. A lot of the writers (and a few here) have said “you cannot have a 17 mil guy in the pen.” BULLSHIT. As you mention, that fucking money is already spent and the team needs to get the most bang for its buck, and that is NOT with Timmy in the rotation.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        Thank you Chi because most Flappers thought I had flipped my “Flapper.” Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. So, do you want a $35 million number 5 shit pitcher or possibly an elite closer or at worse, a long reliever? His trade value is nil. Besides, most of the fan base loves Timmy and would be pissed off if he is moved. More important, the Giants already make a gazillion dollars on merchandise related to Timmy, so him going anywhere next season is a wet dream.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:56 pm

        I can’t really see Posey at 2b. Besides, Panik has shown enough to probably get some run and the club has got to save money wherever they can if they’re going to sign Sandoval. You know, Rainy Day Fund and all.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm

        I don’t either dirt, but at least Bozo is thinking outside the box. Essentially, my point (like your’s and Kawakami’s) is that Posey’s splits when he is playing catcher and playing first base are HUGE. He is a different player. Dollars to donuts the Giants recognize this next season and he plays somewhere else (probably 1st base).

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:06 pm

        Yeah, there was some chatter on the local talk radio that the Giants would be scared to move Posey to 1b and offend his delicate sensibilities. I’d think at some point you have to tell the guy look you got a 9 year deal with a full no trade clause. The club needs to protect you and get your best performance. You’re penciled in at 1b despite Belt being better at the position defensively. Thanks.

      • Bozo said, on August 14, 2014 at 5:20 pm

        Thinking outside the box? I have to think that was when I suggested trading Posey. When I mentioned Second base, I also mentioned LF, it was just based on the two positions we know we will have to fill. I want to go on record and say I think Posey will be OK wherever they put him, but I also don’t think he’ll be an All Star at any position other than catcher. So while people go on about how much Pablo will cost or the contracts of Tim, Matt, Marco or even Blanco, I’m sure I’m alone in this, but I think Poseys contract was the biggest mistake the Giants have made recently (hey, we’ve got nine years to find this guy a position).
        .

  18. Chipower9 said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Well, the next Commish has been named. I don’t know much about this guy, but the term “Selig’s right hand man” makes me cringe.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-executive-rob-manfred-becomes-the-game-s-next-commissioner-144427418.html

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:02 pm

        Yep, except in this case, “we’re fooled again.”

    • Phlabloxxxl said, on August 14, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      I like corn flakes.

      • Flabloxxxl said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        Me too.

      • Junior Sample said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm

        But do you like me?

      • Bozo said, on August 14, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        All the flakes send their love.

  19. paulinasia said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Where’s the fly paper? Need to hang some fly paper here on the Flap, too many annoying little flies buzzing around worthlessly and uselessly. And 2 of them are actually 1 just buzzing to himself. Put him out of his misery already… What is the psychological profile of idiots like this who spew useless nonsense to people who couldn’t care any less about them or their comments? Dude… buy a dog, name it Life, then you’ll have one.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:02 am

      “Dude, buy a dog, name it Life, and then you’ll have one.” I damned near fell outta my chair reading this. LMAO, Paul. Thanks for the morning laugh…great start to the day.

  20. salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    No doubt Pablo will topic A in the off season and subsequently what to do with Posey Belt. If I had a gun to my head or were betting, I say they sign Pablo and trade/pckg Belt for a toolsy OFer.
    I agree, Panik has shown plenty to merit being penciled in at 2b next year. That’s got to be a huge relief to g’ mgmt. Another homegrown and more importantly a first rd pick. Keep in mind Scutsro was 27 when he finally made the bigs. They will find ways to exploit Panik but kid has a smooth swing. A little muscle and some PEDs and he should be fine ;).

    • stickman said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:55 am

      Totally disagree on keeping Pablo and trading Belt. Were it not for the injuries BB9 likely would have had a huge year. He was en route to 25 to 30 home runs and could even have led the league in that category. He is probably the best fielding 1B in the NL, as well. The injuries may have changed all that ~ concussions being so hard to assess projecting forward. We do know that Pablo may well have peaked a couple years back and has come nowhere near his initial promise ~ though those hamate injuries were involved in the drop-off. No doubt Sandoval is a good third baseman and a decent hitter. But he is expensive and who knows where his motivation is gonna be. If Susac proves out, Buster goes to third.

      • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:09 am

        I agree Stick. If I was GM and calling the shots, that ship named Pablito has sailed. I put Posey at 3rd, Belt at 1st (again, this all depends on how Belt progresses with the concussion symptoms), and the money saved on Pablo is used to ink a starter (Timmy to the pen), and one of those Cuban OFers. Time for a chance boys and girls…there has to be some changes if this team is to continue competing over the next several years. And I said weeks ago that I think Panik gets every chance to make 2nd his position in ST next year. And my prediction is that he is the opening day 2nd sacker.

  21. Nipper said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Keep Posey at Catcher. Just rest him a bit. That means a strong number two guy. Is the new guy that player? Only time will tell.

    • Nipper said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      No to Pablo at least longer than three years. I’m sure the open market will give him a better deal.

      • salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        Hey I hate anything longer than 2 yrs but that’s the price of doing business these days. Teams are beating the bushes all over Latin america Japan Korea…and paying millions for 16 yr old Dominican kids. Desperate times.

    • salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      He could catch when Susac needs a rest rest.

  22. salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Imagine a lineup of
    Pagan Panik Posey 1b Pablo Pence LFer Susac Craw P…
    That’s 5 hommies +/pitchers Bum Tim

    They could backload Pablo’s deal so it really kicks in after Tim’s are gone and some kids are in the rotation. Very doable if prospects don’t hit a wall.

    • Bozo said, on August 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm

      No Belt?

      • salty said, on August 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        Sorry, he was traded along with Hector and Williamson for Stanton . 🙂

  23. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 14, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    pffftttt…..

  24. DJLoo said, on August 14, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Robin Williams favorite Giant was Belt.
    May God forgive me.

    • Nipper said, on August 14, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      Shame on you!

      • DJLoo said, on August 14, 2014 at 8:04 pm

        Sorry, Nip. It just came to me…

    • Macdog said, on August 14, 2014 at 8:49 pm

      How about the two catchers yesterday were Flowers and Posey?

      • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:13 am

        You know it is a slow day on the Flap when…

    • James said, on August 14, 2014 at 10:34 pm

      You deserve a suspension.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:06 am

      Ouch!

  25. Macdog said, on August 14, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    A friend mine, a Mets fan, flew out to SF to see tonight’s Paul McCartney concert at Candlestick. His only other visit to the ‘Stick was at one of the Giants’ final games in ’99 on a beautiful, 80-degree day. He just posted on Facebook that, unlike the previous visit, he’s getting the full Candlestick experience this time.

    • SanDawg said, on August 14, 2014 at 9:43 pm

      Nice. You can fool Mother Candlestick once, but not twice. I think the weather at The Beatles concert there was miserable, so I’m curious if Paul is sharing any memories with the crowd.

  26. Nipper said, on August 15, 2014 at 12:03 am

    Weather miserable? At least the Stick sticks to the script. I wonder if the restrooms still work. Boomers are misty eyed over this dump. Just blow the place up and be done with it.

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  28. willedav said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:09 am

    Shea has a Sando column today. Most interesting thing he said was that late last year is when Pence made his contract run. Great run by Sando (and a couple others) might put Giants in a bind contract wise but would bode very well for the club’s post season chances.
    I’ve defended the guy, tho I’m disappointed in his power numbers and those from right side. If Sabes low balls him, I’m just saying he better have a solid Plan B…unlike 2b/CF this year.

    In theory Salt’s idea of trading Belt for an OF makes a lot of sense, but the reality of trying to make a deal for a good hitting OF these days is a harsh one. Look at FA OFs of the last couple years—Choo, Ellsbury, Hamilton, Werth, Bourn Beltran. Any of these guys had near the impact signing clubs thought they would?

  29. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Why jettison Belt? He can man LF, is controllable until 2018 so he’ll will cost less than any of the players mentioned to replace him with and potentially provides similar production. Besides, I don’t think another club is going to trade anything of value for him if he doesn’t come back from the concussions.

    • salty said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Would never suggest trade him for anyone like those Willie mentioned. He would ideally be like Belt, controllable for a few years.
      Likely won’t happen as good young OFers are scarce.

  30. twinfan1 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:43 am

    *Minor League Report- a few guys did good, some not so much
    * Hell hath no fury than what would descend upon the Earth if Rule 7.13 decided a playoff game
    *Prospect watch: Crick is #1, Beede is #5. There is no 2,3, or 4 . And no, they weren’t traded away.
    * Don’t go to WAR with Nick Swisher- worst player in the bigs among qualifiers
    * Has Marco Estrada shut us out yet? Yeah, the worst starting pitcher.
    *Jon Lester says the happiness of his family is more important than signing for the most money. Being all for happy families-take the most money, Jon.
    * Lacking a hit tool this morning I had to use the heel of my slipper.
    *MLB.TV Premium $24.99 for the rest of the season. Watch all the Astros games right through to the bitter end.

    • Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:55 am

      Estrada threw 3 shutout innings in relief against the Giants in the Brewers’ 7-4 loss last week. He allowed 1 hit and struck out 3. The Giants somehow scored 7 runs without the aid of Rule 7.13.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:16 am

        Some might say they scored 0 runs without the aid of 7.13. Not me, but some would.

    • Nipper said, on August 15, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      Go Twin. I like the * approach. Thanks.

  31. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Well, I’m sure they’ll revisit Poseygate this offseason. Plays like the one that the Blanco call was reversed on is ludicrous. It’s a bang bang infield play that, in the future, as in the past, would be called an out.

    Yeah, the rule as it is states was correctly called, but I’m sure they’ll change it. They’ve gone too far in the opposite direction.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:22 am

      Agree Chuck. We’d be whining too if we were on the losing end of that play. Personally, the rule should be scrapped and only the spirit of the rule should be in place. Consequently, all plays at home should be called by the umpire, insofar as the plate being blocked by the catcher or the catcher being wiped out by the runner. Each play is different, but similar to the Supreme Court ruling on porn, i.e., “I know it when I see it,” I think the umps should handle the call. Video replay should only be used for where it’s too close to call the tag safe or out.

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm

        Whatever its quirks, the rule has made the game safer; and I don’t see how baseball would or should go back to making the game less safe.
        The homeplate collision is something baseball has had to ponder and is still pondering. In the age of more awareness of concussions, I don’t see why baseball would go back to what was before.
        I’d like to see blocking the plate completely eliminated.
        Theoretically, in the past, you could have made a baseball team of football linebackers, and just have them completely encircle the plate, and block opponents completely from stepping on the plate. Technically, they would be legally blocking the plate, in the old days. There weren’t any rules governing it, just tradition.

      • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm

        No way I see them reversing this rule, mainly for the reason that Zumiee stated. It was made to increase safety and I just don’t see them scrapping something that was put in for that reason.

        You CAN block the plate under current rules, but you MUST have the ball in your hand/mitt BEFORE you can block the plate.

        I beg to differ and am okay with the rule as currently written. It won’t change. If it does, I’ll buy each of you a beverage of choice at a future Flapalooza.

  32. blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:30 am

    It might look like we’re lucky getting the Phillies tonight, but that silver lining is masked by Cole Hamels, who hasn’t allowed more than three runs in a start since May. His ERA is a miniscule 1.44 in his past 14 starts, and his 1.02 WHIP, .210 opponent BA and 9.0 K/9 over this stretch isn’t too shabby either. In 2011 at the Phone Park, he thrived, resulting in him throwing a complete game and allowing only one run. In the past two years when facing us, Hamels has allowed one run in 16 innings with 15 K’s and only two walks. Dollars to donuts he keeps the K-to-BB ratio high, as the Giants batters have collected 57 K’s and 11 walks during a six-game homerless drought. Ugh . . .

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 pm

      On the bright side, maybe a deal gets worked out and Hamels stays in SF when the Phils leave.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      I said yesterday this was a hell of a match-up. As you mention, Hamels has been lights-out, while Big Country has struggled at home. Hope to see those fortunes reversed tonight, and Madison getting a much-needed home victory. GO GIANTS! Phuck the Phils…

  33. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    “Dollars to donuts” is no longer the 10 to 1 proposition that it probably was at the time the phrase was coined. Nowadays it’s little more than an even money wager….

    • blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 12:39 pm

      Loo, the phrase parallels the earlier English betting expression a “pound to a penny” from the early 1800s. But yeah, the price of donuts has gone up.

  34. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    And the most famous one ever I guess:

    http://m.mlb.com/video/v5766041/rose-crashes-into-fosse-at-the-plate

  35. Nipper said, on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    They should gather together all the catchers in MLB and get the catcher approach at the plate with a runner barreling down the line ironed out in the off season of course.

  36. blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Brandon Crawford wants the rule changed as well . . . Also, he wants more Tony Bennett music at the Phone Park – I agree on both counts. 🙂

    http://brandon.mlblogs.com/2014/08/13/give-me-more-tony-bennett-brandon-crawford/

  37. Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    If the rule was changed to say that the catcher can have his leg on home plate, that’s cool…I can see that point. And I agree whole-heartedly on the more Tony Bennett music….

    • Irish Kevin said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      There would have to be a whole bunch of rules protecting that leg. Cause if I am coming home I am going to do everything in my power to make sure that catcher does not catch that ball. The rule just has to say NO BLIND SIDING the catcher. Whatever the rule that protects 2nd basemand and SS’s from being taken out in a double play, should apply to catchers.

  38. Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    First it was Tulo who was reported to have season-ending surgery scheduled. Now it is CarGo.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/rockies-gonzalez-have-season-ending-surgery

    They’re dropping in Colorado…

  39. paulinasia said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Bozo, I certainly share your wistful dream of Hamels just walking across the infield and changing clubhouses. Not too likely, but a good dream. Hell, as stated ad nauseum, I’d settle for Revere or Byrd staying behind when the Phils leave town…. Byrd being more likely. Though still not that likely. Starting to think Sabes has closed up shop already. Hope I’m wrong.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      Yeah, when there was talk of that Phillies “fire sale” Hamels was the one who was supposedly “off limits” and not on the trade block. Nice dream. He would look great in Orange and Black.

  40. San Dawg said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    I never thought about inflation fucking up the “Dollars to Donuts” line. Good stuff, Loo. I also never knew or forgot that Dick Dietz was the guy on deck and right there when Rose plowed into Fosse. While confirming that was Dietz, I stumbled on this interesting article about him:

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/the-blackballing-of-dick-dietz/

    Also includes a link to another article that also sounds interesting with bits about Dietz and Bonds. I haven’t read that one yet, but I will.

    • San Dawg said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      Bobby Bonds, that is.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      “The Giants decided to punish Dietz by selling him to another team, but they mostly punished themselves by receiving nothing of consequence for a highly competent major league catcher.”

      I really don’t understand how the Giants could have gone 56 years without winning the World Series. 🙂

    • blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      Very good story about Dietz . . . Stoneham was an idiot. I still hate him for trading Mays for pitcher Charlie Williams and $50,000.

  41. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Regarding the concern about concussions, it’s changed forever the NFL also. A lot of folks miss some of the hits that used to be legal in the NFL, but there’s just no way the NFL can go back to allowing them. With new scientific and medical knowledge, the rules of sports have to change. It may lose some fans, but I don’t see what else they can do.

  42. Phlabloxxxl said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    The Dodgers haven’t won the World Series since Reagan was president, and it makes me sad.

    • snarkk said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      The Reagan presidency made me mad and sad.
      Doghairs not in the WS since then makes me glad…

  43. paulinasia said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    I don’t get it. With not much going on this afternoon up here in Sonoma land, I’m watching Comcast’s “Legends: 2010 SF Giants”, recounting the story of 2010 with interviews and “highlights”… except they’re not showing any actual highlights, showing only snapshots of scenes while playing the audio. Huh? Is that supposedly artistic in some way? It’s not like Comcast wouldn’t have access to real highlights. A real WTF in my opinion and extremely annoying. Let’s see if they do it any differently at 4pm, when it’s time for “Legends: 2012 SF Giants”. Cool to reminisce, but seeing video would certainly be more entertaining.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      I have absolutely no idea, but I wonder if Comcast sold their video rights to 2010 to one of the various 2010 highlight DVDs that are on sale, or if they have their own DVD for sale.
      It reminds me of a Nirvana documentary I was watching that had ZERO Nirvana music in it, because the documentary-makers didn’t have the rights to any of the music. They just had some generic-sounding Seattle-esque grunge rock playing in the background of the documentary. It was a strange situation.

      • paulinasia said, on August 15, 2014 at 4:00 pm

        Strange indeed, Zum, can’t even imagine…

  44. San Dawg said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Here is the other article. Long, but very interesting–especially if the 1970’s era Giants interest you.

    http://www.instreamsports.com/alpha/node/341

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      That’s awesome, thanks!
      It has cool things like this, about the ’73 team:
      “We didn’t have a state-of-the-art clubhouse, but there was a stereo in there. Sometimes we listened to Crosby, Stills & Nash, sometimes it was Jim Croce, sometimes Marvin Gaye, or The Temptations, the soundtrack of the room was this fabulous, multicultural mix tape. As our unofficial leader, Bonds played an enormous part in creating this environment.”

      Teams used to have actual good music in the clubhouse!

    • blade3colorado said, on August 15, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      I just read this – with dinner in between – awesome read SD. Thanks for sharing. I knew Bobby Bonds had a drinking problem, but didn’t know he smoked (interesting and somewhat ironic, since him and Mays were best friends and to the best of my knowledge, Mays didn’t drink or smoke). I also had no idea that Bonds might have had something to do with Fox being fired. Thanks for sharing . . .

  45. paulinasia said, on August 15, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Re: my 3:40, actually, the 2012 documentary is more inspirational and knowing-dude head-nodding than the 2010 one. Maybe because the 2012 one actually shows video….. 🙂 And actually, Bochy should consider showing this one to the team, if they haven’t seen it, might help fuel the fires….


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