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Hamels v Bumgarner

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 15, 2014

Fun one tonight. For some reason, the Phillies are throwing 5 left handed bats at Bumgarner. Cole Hamels usually forces us into swallowing giant loads of cum and Bumgarner has inexplicably smoked copious amounts of pole at home this year.

So, this does not seem like a good relationship for us.

But hey, it’s baseball, who knows?

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  1. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 15, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    “Loads of cum?” And my comments get altered?

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      actually, this is one of your few that won’t be. I did add a question mark to replace the period to fix your shit grammar…..

      • tedspe said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:47 pm

        hahahahah. Just logged on and that shit’s funny

  2. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    After Hamels, this might be the best pitcher in Philadelphia: http://on.app.com/1t7TG7o

  3. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Sorry about going back to yesterdays thread for a sec, but hasn’t there been a rule about the catcher not being allowed to block the plate for some time? Wasn’t the only rule change was the addition that the runner wasn’t allowed to blow the catcher up to try and knock the ball out? I just thought in the past the play was rarely called (hello Mike Scioscia) but I thought blocking the plate was still illegal. If I’m right about that, really the only change was including replay into the mix, which made them follow the rule. If that’s true I’m unclear on what rule people want to change.
    Sorry, I really don’t get it.

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 5:47 pm

      Someone else smarter than me should know this but I was under the impression that the rule change included no longer allowing the catcher to block the plate unless they had the ball which means they could block it before the rule change.
      In other news, Pat the Bat is scouting the Braves/A’s game. There is no other reason for Burrell to be there unless he’s scouting the best strip joints in America…..

      • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 6:01 pm

        See that’s where I’m confused, I thought the rule has been that the catcher couldn’t block HP without the ball for decades now, but the infraction was rarely called. I was being lazy, but I guess I’ll look it up in a bit, because now I’m really curious about it.

      • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 6:58 pm

        Rule 7.06b which has been around for sometime includes this – “Comment: Under 7.06(b) when the ball is not dead on obstruction and an obstructed runner advances beyond the base which, in the umpire’s judgment, he would have been awarded because of being obstructed, he does so at his own peril and may be tagged out. This is a judgment call.

        NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.”

        So I don’t think the call was due to the “Posey” rule, but that it was just being enforced because of replay. I think this is similar to the phantom tag at Second, if that was a reviewable call(which would have nullified the out at second the night before during the Sox’s 9th inning double play). In my opinion, if the rules need to be changed it’s due to replay not Posey. Which makes Hawk Harrelson even more of an idiot in my opinion.

      • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        lol, you’re the only one who knows this, I think. Why haven’t we heard about this? Shall we create a *Bozo Rule*? Anyone that doesn’t know the actual rule has to punch himself in the face. Twice. I like it.

  4. salty said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Bums lose Ryu to a strained buttock.

    • Nipper said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm

      ouch!

  5. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Bozo, I don’t think in actual play were the catchers ever penalized for blocking the plate without the ball. In practice, over the years, it was more a case of “the catcher can block the plate any time he wants to, as long as he’s willing to take the hit from the runner.” A case of “benign neglect” by the umps, although not so benign in reality.

    In the new rules, the catcher is not to block the plate without the ball, except if in the act of fielding the throw he has to go into the path of the runner. That clause is in there, and has caused a few controversial moments.

    I think the new rules have also caused a shift in attitude in baseball regarding homeplate collisions. The players seem less inclined to blow up another player. They are all common brethren in that sense, if they want to see it that way. And if that attitude change is a result of Posey’s injury, then Posey didn’t get a broken leg in vain.
    That could all change in the playoffs, though. The incentive to block the plate will be high, and the incentive to blow up the catcher will be high.

    MLB knew the new rules would take some ironing out over the course of a season or two. And I think, all things considered, it’s evolved pretty well. MLB is learning from every quirky play that happens. And, my impression is that there are far fewer violent collisions so far.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:39 pm

      “the catcher can block the plate any time he wants to”
      I meant on plays at the plate.
      So the umps had a rule to keep catchers from blocking the plate ANY time they wanted to, like in the linebacker scenario I mentioned in an earlier post. I didn’t know there was a rule for that.

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      Zumiee, If I’m reading the Note correctly from the old Rule 7,06 it’s saying pretty much the same thing, no? I just remember Scioscia parking his ass in front of the plate and it never got called, although many thought it should have been. Which in my head means the umps didn’t call it when they should have and because of replay they are now being forced to call it (maybe that’s why the out call from NY took almost 5 minutes). I agree that it is now tied into protecting the catcher, and yes, in the old days I would have been pissed that Blanco didn’t blow Flowers up. Still as I read it, blocking the plate without the ball has been the rule for sometime not just with the addition of Rule 7.13

      Sorry for bringing this back up, it just bugged me that, like the spitter that Gaylord threw, Scioscia was also trumpeted for his illegal block of HP. And, to now have Hawk Idiot Harrelson talk about Catchers wearing skirts, for what I think was an existing rule, pissed me off. I’ll stop talking about it.

  6. Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    yeah, I had an image of no play at the plate and yet the catcher is sitting there blocking it ready to tackle the runner when he tries to step on the plate…. lqtm.

  7. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    We’ve seen plays at bases where the fielder puts his knee and leg into the path of the runner and literally blocks the base on a tag play. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ump call that interference, when technically it is. The umps attitude seems to be “if the fielder is willing to take the hit to his leg from the opponent’s spikes or whatever, then we’re not going to call it.”

    Just like with the strikezone, and not calling high strikes, there seems to be unwritten rules for the umps even.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Maybe the key on those base-blocking tag plays at bases (which don’t happen a super lot) is that the fielder does it in the flow of the play, and doesn’t do it overtly in a way that puts the ump on the spot. Umps hate being put on the spot.

  8. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    I don’t think any 2 places on Earth make onion rings the same way. Seems like every place has their own recipe, size, taste, etc…

    • James said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:11 pm

      My favorites are Cafe Saturn’s

      • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:14 pm

        Any stats to back that up?

      • James said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        Ya got me

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      True that Loo..

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      Best I have had are at a tap house called Manderes in Folsom. Beer battered and drizzled with an Irish Stout. They’re awesome, and a great selection of brews to wet your whistle (30 on tap and over a hundred different in bottles). The food overall is very good. If you are ever in Folsom check it out. The baby back ribs are also highly recommended.

  9. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Morse charges bloopers like old people fuck.

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:17 pm

      thank you. I needed a new POTD

      • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:20 pm

        Can’t take credit for the line, BF. I think the drill instructor in Full Metal Jacket uses it…

      • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:34 pm

        well, it was still a great line.

    • eddackere said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:42 pm

      I resemble that remark, especially since the wall trembled when the big guy hit it.

  10. Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    WTF is Morse doing out there? Why would he be playing deep in L vs Utley? And even with his shit positioning, he didn’t even move on that ball. Totally worthless and useless……

  11. James said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Morse is clearly washed up — that ball he hit earlier was off the bricks at the Flapalooza.

    • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:27 pm

      He responds well to criticism!!!!

  12. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    Yes!

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:28 pm

      Bang, he hit the shit out of that one.

  13. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    A Morse dong!

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:33 pm

      few and far between. He must save up all his energy from not playing defense to once in a while run into one.

      • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:38 pm

        Morse is so awful out there that he can actually make an uncatchable ball look catchable by a competent outfielder…

  14. James said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    I’m sure the esteemed baseball critic and authority Grant McCovey is also celebrating this shocking, albeit temporary, renaissance.

  15. Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Morse is just an idiot. He has no idea where he is or what he’s doing out there. Go find a DH job please. Quickly.

  16. James said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Morse, you clown!! The sheer lack of grace there should remove those 3 runs from the scoreboard.

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:40 pm

      enjoy his unusual bomb. If all you care about is the occasional home run, ignoring everything else the player does (or doesn’t do), he’s just not a guy I want on my team, fantasy or otherwise. But, to each his own.

      • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        if he hits 30+ this year, he’s worth it. Otherwise….worthless…..

      • willedav said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        Well, it’d be a little different if there were a few others hitting 3 run bombs. I can’t remember the last one.

  17. willedav said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Man, giants give him a 3 run lead and Bum is giving up rockets. Settle down, brutha.

  18. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Alright, let’s get that one back.

  19. eddacker said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    crawford’s 4 pitch walk musta given hamels some pause

    4 pitch walk

  20. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    What d’ya know, I mentioned fielders blocking bases, interfering with runners, and a half hour later, Panda blocks third and tags a guy out. And the hilarious thing was, the play was reviewed, and the runner was still called out. That type of play is never called interference; it’s just tradition.

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:53 pm

      fascinating. I never even thought about it this way.

    • eddacker said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:53 pm

      plus, Panda’s foot was there as part of catching the ball, don’t think anyone could get their foot down like that on purpose.

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      “OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
      Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered “in the act of fielding a ball.” It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the “act of fielding” the ball. For example: If an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.”

      The Rule 2.0 Comment, I think clears Pablo of obstruction on that play. Now, If Pablo had laid in front of the bag, I bet that would have been called obstruction.

      Man, now I really am bowing out of this discussion, no way in hell does getting pissed at Hawk Idiot’s comment make me want to spend my night going through MLB’s rule book. Don’t we have some legal types around this joint.

  21. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Morse running into the wall reminded me of a conversation I had many years ago with a basketball coach who I assisted for a while. He was going to have to make cuts at the beginning of the season, and he asked me about a certain player, and in trying to think of something positive about the player, I said “He’ll run through a wall for you.” And the coach said: “But how does that help me win basketball games?” which I thought was a classic response.

  22. Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Morse is Jose Canseco with a few more IQ points and a lot less power…..

  23. James said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Morse also has the highest OPS on the team right now.

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      2 stats smashed into each other is not something I would base my baseball acumen on…

    • willedav said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm

      and his bat has a few more IQ points than Canseco does.

  24. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Basically, we’re stuck with him.

  25. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Maybe Blanco should’ve kept running for home on that bunt and hope Ruiz was blocking the plate.

  26. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Salute.

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm

      Oops.

    • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:28 pm

      Court martial…

  27. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    It makes me sad that the Giants have won the World Series more times than the Dodgers.

  28. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    I’m in awe of the Giants’ beautiful ballpark.

  29. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    Thanks for looking up the rules, Bozo. The clause about a lot being left to the ump’s discretion is the key, I think. As long as the players make the obstruction part of the flow of the play, then it doesn’t get called, ever. Sandoval seems to have more of those blocks than a lot of other players. He’s willing to get his leg or foot in there more than other players, and has gotten spiked a few times. The play he made tonight was brilliant.

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:37 pm

      It was a good play…they type which he makes regularly. I agree…he has no fear in putting that foot in the base path…

  30. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Oh man.

  31. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Dammit Affeldt.

  32. Manny said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Yeah, what’s amiss for Assfelt is that Gopher ball he gave up.

  33. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Fuck…and I was thinking Big Country was all set-up for his first home win in a looong time.

  34. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    I get tired of the Dodgers choking all the time. It reminds me of when I am choking on a big salami…

  35. tedspe said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Weird

  36. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Good base running by Panda…

  37. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I’ve been a fan of Blancos for some time, but man, does he make it difficult. I’m not sure where his head is…

  38. OhhhhDeeeeBeeee said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Blanco stands and watches. Stupid fucking shit stain that I just noticed in my underwear. Wait a minute. I’m not wearing underwear??!! DO’H!!

  39. sportdude said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    ODB.. Never seen you posts before. Dodger fan?

    PS Love the last comment about Dodgers choking. Until they win something this millennium we don’t give a shit about LA

  40. tedspe said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    You guys won’t believe it…but I was actually thinking about pinch running for Sandoval

  41. James said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    3 runners out on the base paths . . .

  42. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    On the Philly telecast it was obvious that Pablo would be dead at home. He looked awful rounding third…

  43. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    By rule, Panda could have blown up the Philly catcher there. The runner is allowed to still run over the catcher if the catcher has the ball and is blocking the plate. But it’s just not done much anymore, and I can’t blame him. Maybe in a playoff game he does it.

    • tedspe said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:05 pm

      I love you zumiee but that post has that sort of “I’m just typing out loud” feel to it (gay ass smiley face)

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:11 pm

      Every game at this juncture is important. I say mow his ass over and don’t even think twice about it. It is within the guise of the rules, so why the hell not…(rhetorical question).

  44. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    And I totally get the fact that the big homeplate collisions were a more exciting play than a runner just slowing down and getting tagged out in a kind of anti-climactic way. It’s definitely a change to that aspect of the game.

  45. DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Does Casilla bat in a sac situation?

    • DJLoo said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      Never mind. Duffy due up second. Sorry.

  46. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Time for Pagan to rip one…

  47. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Pfffttt…

  48. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Beautiful throw by Pagan to hold the runners. Need to get out of this jam and bring home a win in the bottom of the inning.

  49. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Wow. Missed these last few innings. Sounds like we fucked up? Affeldt’s the forgotten guy. Then again; Lopez has been no great shakes either.

  50. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Annnnd there you go.

  51. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    This is what happens when you don’t take the out that they are giving you.

  52. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Our stellar pen was not so stellar tonight. Fucking Bum should have had his first Phone Park win in a long time.

  53. eddacker said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    And the Twins close it out
    Have we stopped expecting miracles?

  54. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    There was a chance to win it in 9, if Crawford had made a decent bunt on a safety-squeeze. Instead he made a horrible bunt. He squared up straight and hit a hard comebacker to the pitcher. It didn’t look like he made any effort to angle the bunt away from the pitcher at all.

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm

      zumiee – are you kidding me. No way in hell would Craw (or anyone in that situation) be trying to bunt it back to the pitcher. I respect your baseball knowledge, but that’s fucking ludicrous.

  55. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Greinke left the Dodger game after 5 innings, with a 2 run lead. I wonder what’s up with that.
    The Dodger bullpen coughed up the lead.

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:54 pm

      I thought all that coughing I was hearing was our bullpen. Nice to know they had company…

  56. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    Phucking awful loss.

  57. Bozo said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    What a strange one.

  58. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Bullshit. Should have been one in the W column. This one is one the bullpen more than anyone else…and that includes Crawford.

    Get ’em tomorrow.

  59. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    G’night ladies…

  60. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    This team is what 7-30 at home the last couple months? I just don;t fucking get it.

    Finding new and interesting ways to lose.

    Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft indeed.

  61. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2014 at 10:56 pm

    Tomorrow never knows, Chuck.

    But we’re running out of tomorrows . . .

  62. chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    True, Charlie. But regardless…with a loss like this (really, any loss) you have to quickly wash it off and focus on the next game.

    That game sucked as badly as OhhhhDeeeeBeeee servicing some clients in a dark alley…

  63. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    I probably was a little rough on Crawford. I’m just falling off the Crawford-wagon a bit. Panik is now hitting .264, and Crawford, with 3 years in the bigs, is hitting .226. He had a chance to bring in a big insurance run tonight and showed not much bat control. It’s a bummer because he’s a great story, local kid and all that, and plays above-average defense. But maybe he’s just never going to get it together as a hitter. Maybe they give Duffy a longer look at short at some point. I don’t know.

    • chipower9 said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:24 pm

      I will be the first to say that Crawford needs to pull his head outta his ass, and raise his average. He hits around .260 with his pop and I am good. .227 or whatever the hell it is right now will not cut it.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 16, 2014 at 7:00 am

      Actually, you’re right Zum – Crawford has sucked. He makes the spectacular plays, but is capable of muffing the easy ones. His hitting is shitty as well. Replace him and I wouldn’t think twice about it. Speaking of sucking – our illustrious bullpen has a closer (Casilla) who is now on his third poor outing in a row, where he has given up at least one earned run in each of the three appearances. Don’t even get me started talking about Affeldt. Ugh.

  64. Macdog said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    This one stings more than most. To have the other team’s ace beat for the first time since god knows when . . . only to have Affeldt cough it up to the Phils’ own pain in the Asche named Cody. And then more bullpen blowups in extras, not to mention the baserunning blunders. Very much like one of those losses to the Rox that set off this tailspin. Go get ’em tomorrow, I guess.

  65. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    Uribe left the Dodger game tonight with a tight hamstring. The Dodgers are leaking a little oil right now.

  66. zumiee said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t know what this means, if anything:

    “With an extra day of rest for his weary elbow, starter Zack Greinke came out firing 95-mph fastballs. He needed 99 pitches to get through only five scoreless innings.

    He countered six strikeouts by walking five, including three in a row in the fourth inning. It was a red flag for a former Cy Young Award winner and current All-Star who is noted for his command.”

  67. sportdude said, on August 15, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Bad base running, bad execution of small ball, bad coaching ( even little league dad / coaches know unless your Hamilton or Gordan, the runner must be at 3rd before the OF has the ball to send the runner).
    These are EXACTLY the games good teams win and bad teams lose. Best against the worst in baseball the good team wins one easy, the bad team wins one easy, and the good team wins the nail-bitter to take 2/3.

    Bad team. I’m still rooting like mad, as a good fan should, but I’m resigned to our fate.

    It all started with the Morse bashing. The baseball gods said well, if they aren’t happy with a scrap heap player hitting 20 plus homers and out hitting their $160 million dollar man than screw em:)

    • eddacker said, on August 16, 2014 at 1:30 am

      I knew it, the baseball gods. Now we are out of miracles. freaking gods.

  68. Nipper said, on August 16, 2014 at 4:03 am

    Morse sucks but not tonight at least. Have to be positive!

  69. Phlabloxxxl said, on August 16, 2014 at 6:33 am

    On the bright side: 1) Morse clinched that four-year contract extension; 2) SF kept pace with Padres.

  70. Flabloxxxl said, on August 16, 2014 at 6:51 am

    Remember that time I contributed anything positive? Yeah, me neither.

    • Chooch Ruiz said, on August 16, 2014 at 8:12 am

      I’m sure glad they didn’t enforce Rule No. 28 last night.


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