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Washing Up in Washington

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 22, 2014

The Giants “Rain Train” across America pulls into DC today to take on the pesky Nats. We never play well here and (surprise!) there are thunder storms forecast for the game. Huddy is probably the only guy who got 30 winks as the rest of the team flew in late last  night after splitting 1.5 with Chicago yesterday.

But these are professional athletes and their level of conditioning should power them through tonight and, hopefully, a series win. 

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  1. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:41 am

    I’m glad they play the games because all the advantages are seemingly with the Nationals tonight. Ugh. As I said in the previous thread, Doug Fister won’t strike out too many people, but he’s a stud pitcher all the same. I have no frickin’ idea why the Tigers got rid of him, as he hasn’t allowed more than three runs in 10 straight starts (1.57 ERA), a ride that includes not allowing more than two runs in seven straight starts (1.13 ERA) and not allowing a single earned run in the past three starts (0.00 ERA). FUCK!

    Let’s be honest, our struggling offense – even with an eight-run explosion Wednesday off the putridly bad smelling piece of shit Edwin Jackson – has scored only 3.5 runs per game with 88 strikeouts during our past 11 games. Let’s join Mr. Peabody in his WABAC machine 2 months ago on June 10, when Fister twirled seven shutout innings against us. OH OH! Mound opponent Tim Hudson, who carries a 6.00 ERA, 1.73 WHIP and 3.6 K/9 so far in August will have his work cut out for him.

    Prediction? Giants win (lqtm) . . . Hey, what else did you expect me to say???? 🙂

  2. willedav said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:39 am

    I hope Hudson can hang, not just tonite but throughout rest of season. He’s on pace to throw 200 innings regular season, which he hasn’t done since 2011. Currently at 154 with 7 more starts likely and putting up very impressive numbers for a guy who turned 39 a month ago. And fun to watch.
    This is less about his arm than his overall strength and stamina to me. Doesn’t walk or K as many guys as others in rotation, but in the games where he loses it, sometimes after not so many pitches, he gets hit hard.
    I hope he has enough effective innings left in tank to finish strong and those August numbers Blade posted above are just blip on the radar.
    He’s from the South, went to Auburn, pitched for Braves, so he’s used to this weather. Go get em.

  3. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Athletes? Come on. These are ball players! Catching the opposing club when they’re reeling of a winning streak seems to be happening a lot this year. After taking the last two sets against bottom feeders, this series is a good barometer of where the Giants are at. They’ll hammer Fister. lulz. Must be tough going through life with that name.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:43 am

      Well, we’ve been the whipping boy for quite a few struggling teams as well.

      It’s another shot at winning a series against a winning team.

      Are we getting 4.5 games in in Colo to finish that tie game from April?

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:52 am

        Hitting two games of the CO series. With Cargo, Tulo and Cuddyer down I’m hoping for some good outcomes.

  4. Flavor said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:03 am

    I’ll tell you what, if they can win tonight that will really impress me. My pledge to the blog: If the giants win tonight, no matter how they play for the rest of August, every single one of my threads (until Sept 1) will be positive in nature.

    • willedav said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:40 am

      Impressive.
      Could easily be torture game tonight, and rough series overall vs. Zim and Stras on weekend.
      Certainly was a dog day for most hitters yesterday—5 shutouts in 9 games (counting Giants Cubs half game) and 34 total runs scored. Red Sox and Rays each only got 1 hit.
      Cubs struck out 15 times vs. Bum and Co. and Petit got 5 in his 2 innings first game.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:15 am

      LMAO…I will remember that. Come on Giants…I am looking forward to some Poly threads…

  5. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:33 am

    8 whole days of optimism? We’re just treading water til Belt comes back.

    Red Sox sign Rustney Nuts 6/72 mill.

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:36 am

      Belt ain’t coming back this year. In my opinion.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:45 am

        Yeah, it’s pretty iffy at this point.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:18 am

        I really hope that he doesn’t come back this year.. And I know that he’s seen a Sports Doctor specializing in concussions but it’s time he saw a neurologist if he hasn’t already.

  6. twinfan1 said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:35 am

    *Snotrocket Watch- 8 last night, 4 double SNR, YTD- 334

    * What does it take to lose a job? As per the boss Ruben Amaro Jr. is not on the “hot seat”. Through some shrewd negotiating Amaro has half the squad locked up in no-trade deals. Papelbon, for example, can only be traded to the Monte Carlo Monarchs or the Cannes Coyotes- and yes, *those* kind of Coyotes

    *As of now we’re projected to draft 21st so there’s still time to tank the season for number 18

    * Brooks Conrad has been released and Sabes is said to be interested. Bochy says we need a “professional fielder”

    *Gammons tweet yesterday-“One club official who has been on Rusney Castillo for a month says ‘no one knows who’s getting him or which teams will jump in unexpectedly’. Hey, maybe Rusney isn’t, like, you know, a bottom..

    *Baserunners are 0 for 1 stealing against Fister this year. Which raises the inevitable question- who’s the idiot who tried?

    * After much research I’ve discovered that Washington D.C. has no signature food item. Well, there is something called the “Half-Smoke Sausage”, popularized at Ben’s Chile Bowl. It seems that Ben was too lazy to do the whole job.

    • Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:33 am

      I enjoyed the Half Smokes (half beef, half pork smoked sausage), and I thought the chili was pretty good. I’ve only been to the Ben’s stand at the Yard, haven’t actually been to Ben’s but I hear it’s a must stop for Bill Cosby and a few Presidents. Damn, now I wish I had made the trip north.

  7. Phlabloxxxl said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Sabean cheaps out again: https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/502838218795261953

    • twinfan1 said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:13 am

      Ah, a typical Giants’ fan- don’t want him until somebody else gets him.

  8. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Not really surprised to see the Giants lose out on another Cuban player. I’ve gotten used to it. Besides, the org seem to mine Venezuela more than anything.

  9. zumiee said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Dirt, I hear ya on Adam Clayton; he’s not a memorable bass player. Pretty much just plays the note at the bottom of the chord and that’s about it. I have heard Bono say that Clayton is an essential part of the band chemistry, but I think that’s more on a personal level. The original four members are still together, and are as bonded together as brothers. I’m a big fan; more-so for their ’80s material, though.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:31 am

      HAHA, yeah it’s the best job in RocknRoll. I play bass so I have always sort of laughed at the dude but always been a fan of the group. Mostly the older stuff like you say but even the newer stuff has a track or two I can dig.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:04 am

      I heard Henry Rollins call U2s rhythm section the worst in rock and roll history or some shit like that.

      U2 did pretty much learn how to play their instruments as they went along. But like most of you guys, I liked their early stuff (War, Boy) much more than their new stuff.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:07 am

        I saw this guitar special on Paladia or whatever the hell it is called. It featured Jimmy Page, Jack White and The Edge. The whole time I was watching thinking gee who doesn’t belong here? Larry Mullen Jr. is a very good drummer.

  10. salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:26 am

    6-72/m for an unproven 27 yr old hacker who scouts consider a cut below Puig Cespedes or Abreu? Pablo has to be thinkin 5 yrs? Hell, no.

  11. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Realistically, the Giants will need to come up with some mojo they have not demonstrated since at least early June to win this series. On paper, looking at the matchups, the Nats could easily take all three. This one could be the acid test to determine whether there is some hidden spark on this team which can overcome all obstacles.

    Washington is the best team in the NL right now. This is the team that any other squad will need to go through to win the pennant. Hoping we have a good set of suspenders cause there is no Belt. This evening’s game depends on Hudson’s stamina and an unusual level of patience on the part of Giants hitters to wear Fister down.

    This series could use up the team’s slender stock of miracles. Winning one of three would be somewhat of a moral victory, but moral victories do not end in parades. We need a spark.

    Am i belaboring the obvious? Well, somebody’s gotta do that.

    • Chipower9 said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      As I mentioned yesterday, the Nats have been the odds-on faves for a couple of times the past several years, and they haven’t done shit. So, until they prove me wrong, they are just another team…regardless of how hot they are now.

  12. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Yeah, 7 years is way too much for a guy who very well be be Rajai Davis.

  13. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Yeah Salty, if you’re Pablo, how do you even walk to the table and not say, ‘7/$72 years for a 27 year old flier? I’m a proven guy. I should get 6/$120 at the minimum.’ Fricking Pablo’s 28.

    These owners are becoming their own worst enemies again.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:04 am

    I’d be cool with 6/$120 for Sandoval just don’t include a no trade clause. Or it will have to go hand in hand with a weight clause.

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:26 am

      You can’t give him more years and money than Pence. And Bummie continues to get his welfare checks.
      Pablo’s gonna go FA and someone will pay him ridiculous money. Do weight clauses even exist anymore?

      • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:27 am

        Yup. It’s called the Santa Clause.

        I’m here all week.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:32 am

        Why can’t you give him more years and money than Pence? He’s younger, homegrown, been with the club longer and there is no better 3b coming in the org or on the market.

        I get your point about Bum. Yeah, he’s underpaid but he took that risk when he signed the deal. I don’t feel bad for him.

  15. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:30 am

    What then? Trade for a 3rd baseman? Back the truck up for Chase Headley Lamarr? Sure, I’d like to see him, but he’ll get more than Pablo.

  16. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Like I said yesterday, the Nats’ streak only means they are due to lose. I said that last night to Pat Hogan, who ran for mayor of Syracuse, who is a big Nats fan [our Triple AAA affiliate], who flies to Seattle to see his team Monday. ALSO, Stickman conjured up the Undertaker name during the 2010 World Series, pretty sure. Wasn’t it a Sunday night game? Because of the look and the performance by Bumgarner.

    • stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:04 am

      Whew, Pawlie: Either you keep superb notes or have a memory like an elephant. Now that you remind me, the sagging ol’ memory glands have recovered a tad and your timeframe seems spot on. Bumgarner has this lugubrious face which when overlain by a game face is exactly the look that undertakers probably spend hours in front of mirrors attempting to achieve. He comes by it naturally, just like his athletic prowess. It is the kinda look that probably gets rookie batters a bit trembly at the knees.

  17. gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Weather update: only 80 degrees and not very humid. Thunderstorms around 4 pm and then around game time. But with the lack of typical August humidity, could be ideal playing conditions once the rain ends..

  18. gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Dropping $72 mill on an unproven Cuban is not good payroll management and no way does Sabean have the green light by ownership. With potential holes at 3rd and left, they are going to have to deal with that first without going over $150 mill…

    As I said start of the season into May when Panda was struggling, put $75 mill for 5 years on the table and tell Panda that is their final offer…

  19. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:59 am

    With Rusny signing for 6/$72, the Panda sweepstakes just officially got crazy, a little early. Panda’s agents must be doing handsprings. This Cuban guy is a virtual unknown, his public workout in front of scouts was hitting against a college pitcher. Yet, he gets that contract. So, we know some idiotic AL team will offer Panda the moon. I can see Panda as an Angel, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a Dodger next season, either. He’s as good as gone, and I certainly won’t blame him if he leaves for megabucks. As far as I’m concerned, his leaving paves the way for Posey to move to first or third. Posey gets these days off, and comes back gangbusters at the plate. Proving he shouldn’t be catching, to get the best of his offensive production. Let Susac get experience next ST, and he can transition in. As for backup catcher, whatever. Hector may not even catch again. To me, the best option would be Posey at first, Panda at third, Belt in LF. But, the Giants are not giving Panda a 5 year, let alone a 6 year deal, though he’s the best available 3bman out there. When they offered him that 3 year, $40M lowball deal, he probably figured then he was done in SF…

  20. WilcoJoe said, on August 22, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Great line from the guy in front of me going thru the full body scanner (the ones that show your naked image) at the Birmingham airport…He turns to the TSA and says, completely straight faced, “hey don’t laugh, I am a grower not a shower.” Not to often you get a good laugh at the airport.

    • stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:08 am

      Betcha there are porn addicts scrambling for those scanner jobs. Imagine the bribes they might offer. The ones who are Bi might hafta wear two jockstraps just to keep things from getting all outta hand. We truly do live in a crazy, mixed-up world ~ cept for Lola.

  21. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Spot on Gianthead, Unca, Loo, and Snarkk . . .

    Agree with GH, that the Giants don’t go more then 5 years and no more then $75 million for fat ass. In short, you might as well say sayonara or perhaps, the more appropriate farewell is “adios.” Frankly, offering him even that much is hard to swallow. Unca’s point is relevant,”These owners are becoming their own worst enemies again.” Unequivocally true Chuck. At least Panda can’t point to the Giants making this imbecilic offer to Rusney. Besides, as Loo said, HE IS NOT WORTH MORE THEN PENCE . . . NO WAY, NO HOW!

    I also like the various Posey, Belt, and Susac scenarios offered by Snarkk. Let’s face it, we already have too many idiotic contracts weighing us down, such as Posey and Lincecum. You’ll be thankful when you see Pablo ballooning up to 280-290 lbs., batting waaaaay less then his weight, and burning both ends of the candle in New York city.

  22. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:29 am

    On paper and by all logic, and by recent history, the Giants should get swept in DC. I’ll take one of three, be glad, and fly home. Anything more is groovy gravy…

  23. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Well, Panda’s not worth more than Pence, but he’ll get more than Pence. It’s the nature of the beast as it is currently constructed. Timing is all it is.

    Besides, Panda hasn’t really come out and said he wants to break the bank, but he seems to be leaning that way.

  24. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Blade, this is the tightrope teams have to walk these days. Who’s expendable and who isn’t? Who can fill team holes from the minors? Seeing as we’re pretty thin in the minors, losing Pablo means we lose 20/80 and fill it with Susac if Posey moves to 3rd?

    For a team that struggles to score anyway, it’s a tough pill to swallow.

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:58 am

      The only good thing I see about Giants not going seriously after this Cuban fellow is that if they got him, for sure Panda would be gone. I have no evidence, but I don’t believe they really were seriously in the mix with teams like the Red Sox that are fully prepared to risk pissing away money on bad position player choices and move on. $72M to them is chump change over 6 years. The Giants are only willing to gamble big $ on pitching. Since SF didn’t get Rusny, maybe there’s a snowball’s chance they re-sign Panda. The way things are looking, after a longshot chance this year, based on the media’s consensus below average view of the entire organization’s talent level, I don’t see the Giants even sniffing an NLCS berth before 2020…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:59 am

      Chuck, I see your point and understand that Pablo has been a “plus” player while with the Giants. No question about that. However, my concern is three-fold: 1. His weight problems will likely get worse, not better, e.g., see Prince Fielder – how’s that contract working out?; 2. Pablo was MIA for literally months this season; and 3. If we are lucky, he maintains the Sandoval “performance status quo” for 2 of the 4 or 5 years of the contract.

      Now, this is what I hope happens (Snarkk can jump in at any time, since he’s of the same mind I think) . . . You move Posey to 1st base, where you get Buster’s MVP stats day in and day out, i.e., not the big drop off we’ve seen when he plays catcher (remember – last night was an exception, not the rule). We have not had a full season of Belt this year, which is a big, big reason why our offense is flailing. Next year he goes to left and hopefully, he plays all season. Panik offense will be here for an entire season. Pagan will be here for an entire season. Sign or trade for a 3rd baseman. Headley isn’t the only one out there. Besides, I think he stinks and is overrated.

      Summary – Pitching will ALWAYS be the emphasis here. We will need that Panda money for signing replacement pitchers. Panik has been Gold. He is a good citizen too. In many ways, he’s our replacement for Panda going forward.

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:11 pm

        Generally agree, blade. Posey’s offensive decline is observable. They know they’d get more from him at the plate if he not catching. He’s a good catcher defensively, not great. So there’s no defensive reason to have him catch and in exchange get maybe 20% or more reduced offensive production from where he doesn’t catch. As I said before, as a catcher, he’s recent vintage, having started the position in college. I think that makes a difference to his tolerance of the position in MLB. Plus, we are not privy to any ongoing ankle issues catching causes him, or whether these back/hip issues are related to a continuing barking ankle exacerbated by catching. Would not be surprised if that is the case, and they keep that on the down low. I can see him doing well at first or third, and getting back above .300 on a consistent basis with more power…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:20 pm

        Actually, his numbers have been even more stark then the 20% drop off you describe snarkk. I believe just his batting average is at .250 when he catches. Ugh.

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:26 pm

        I figured it was at least 20%, but don’t have the energy to research exactly. The sample size over two seasons is large enough to note he’s got to be much better offensively, going forward, if he doesn’t catch. Probably anybody would, but he’s got such high level hitting talent to begin with, that the drop off is particularly noticeable and important, given his pay grade. I doubt Chris Stewart and El Presidente would be 25% better hitters if they played third instead of catcher. Even if they could be, 25% better than crap is still crap…

  25. gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:48 am

    I agree with snarkk, I would be happy with taking one of three, especially the way we have played in this stadium since it opened. Hopefully the win will be tomorrow when I am there:) And no rain please tomorrow…our seats come with all the beer you can drink, but have to drive home with one of my clients:(

  26. gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:53 am

    And forgot to add, I really can see Posey transitioning to 3rd pretty easily and would not be surprised if that is in back of Sabean’s mind and strategy. Just fingers crossed that we have Belt back fully healthy and clear-headed next season. I think he is best off at first.

    Is Nelson Cruz worth the big contract? Especially if we don’t pay Panda and with Hudson and Lincecum only under contract for one more year, I think I would rather go with Nelson Cruz for a 6 year $120 mill deal than Panda. I am not saying I am sold on it, but might be my preference….and time for my favorite game, potential lineup for 2015….

    1) Pagan – CF (what other options do we have?)
    2) Panik – 2B (lot more sense than Pence)
    3) Posey – 3B
    4) Nelson Cruz – LF
    5) Belt – 1B
    6) Pence – SS
    7) Susac – C
    8) Crawford – SS

    Pretty damn powerful if Pagan stays healthy…of course Bonifacio may be a free agent:)))))))

    • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:02 pm

      Hilarious GH . . . Bonifacio isn’t even starting in Atlanta.

      • gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:20 pm

        Hence smiley face galore…

      • gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm

        Plus would you want to play in Atlanta???

    • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      Pence at short is a bit of a stretch . . . insert smiley face.

      • gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:06 pm

        I always f up one of these positions

  27. Nipper said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    I like Pablo but not with a fat ass contract. Bank on his waistline expanding accordingly. That’s why it’s so important to groom young talent. Keeping players too damn long has been a Giants curse.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:24 pm

      Just say it, Nippy. You like Panda with a fat ass.

      • shaman138 said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm

        No, he likes Dennis with a fat ass. Up close and personal.

  28. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Yeah, I think it’s probably coming to pass that Panda’s gone and Buster moves to 3rd. I’d much rather see Belt at 1st and Some stiff like Delmon Young in LF.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:22 pm

      Or hey, How ’bout Melky?

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:41 pm

        Melky’s tearing it up in Toronto. .314/.367/.477/.844 with 15 bombs and 68 RBIs. Is he on HGH? Maybe, maybe not. Just like every other player, we can’t really know. If he had apologized to the Giants squad, maybe he’d be producing that line here. The Toronto park is friendlier to hitters than ATT, but who wouldn’t take that production and defense over Morse?…

      • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:57 pm

        Oh, he is. His year after here was underwhelming to say the least. Now he’s back up to jacking the ball?

        Right. He’s the model of on-again-off-again juicing. Contract year? Juice ON!

  29. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    With his 4-4 last night, maybe Buster can go apenuts redux at the plate in DC like he did in 2010 right after coming up and getting the starting nod over Bengielena. That series was Buster’s coming out party…

  30. zumiee said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    The Giants’ flight was in the middle of the night, so you do kind of have to wonder how that affects a team.
    Early morning flight into D.C., and then going against a real good pitcher tonight…..on paper it doesn’t look good, but as we all know, you never know. 🙂

  31. Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Was it last year or a few years ago when Bochy said he thought Posey would be good at 3B? I think it was a couple of years ago, maybe it’s been a plan for some time.
    The thing about Posey that has bothered me has been, here is one of our highest paid guys, a talent that shot through the system, and yet we can’t seem to find a position for him. Every year it seems there is some debate about shifting the team around so Posey has a place to play. Let Belt play his natural position and move Posey to an open position. Third if they don’t resign Panda, LF if they do. Posey would probably do better than Morse or Pat the Bat defense wise in LF (positioning would be key). Notice I didn’t mention Second Base, I don’t think that is an open position anymore.
    Beat DC.

  32. wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    It’s somewhat fun reading all you amateur gm’s give each other mental stimulation err actually it’s masturbation, on what the professional minds will or should do….carry on!

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      It’s called rosterbation. Get it right!

      • wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:40 pm

        That’s a better term..Sho you’re right rocks!

  33. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Angel Pagan (S)
    Hunter Pence (R)
    Buster Posey (R)
    Pablo Sandoval (S)
    Mike Morse (R)
    Joe Panik (L)
    Travis Ishikawa (L)
    B. Crawford (L)
    Hudson (R)

    Go Giants!

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      Trash Heap Travis looking good out there…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:02 pm

        He’s busy thanking jebus that he made it back to the show. Chest tap. Points two fingers to the sky.

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      Just don’t get Pence in the two hole, especially the way Panik’s been going…

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      Why not have Panik in the 2 hole? Pence hits these dingers, and nobody’s on seems most of the time. Put Pence anywhere else from 3 to 5…

      • zumiee said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:09 pm

        My theory on that is that, when it comes down to it, Pence is the guy that Bochy trusts the most to get on base during any given at-bat, and Bochy wants to maximize Pence’s number of ABs. It’s actually pretty SABR for Bochy.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:15 pm

        Tend to agree, zumiee. Bochy probably sat Pence down at the start of the year and said your hitting in the 2hole and has simply stuck with it.

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:52 pm

        If he hit third, he’d get on base probably just as much as at #2. I really don’t like it that we have a power guy hitting #2, often with an empty set of bases in front of him. If he weren’t so speedy, he wouldn’t be a candidate for a #2, since he gets on a lot with infield hits…

  34. salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    That thinking is so outdated Loo.

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:21 pm

      What’s outdated about putting a red-hot lefty contact hitter in the two hole over a free swinging power hitter?

      • salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:30 pm

        thats the trend now. Power speed avg (Puig Donaldson Trout..probably others) .in the two hole.

  35. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    It must have been hard for Bochy to break free of the 2b must bat 2nd mindset and now it’s no longer possible.

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      Ironically, he can only hold one idea at a time in that big cranium of his.
      Oh no I didn’t! 🙂

  36. Phlabloxxxl said, on August 22, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    😉 I absolutely luv to beat off to photos of Ryan Vogelsong!
    🙂

  37. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    First inning was a live demonstration of the current trend of batting power hitters second. Pagan single. Pence GDP. A stick handler like Panik is not the type to often sizzle a sharp grounder to SS.

    • salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      Pence is second in the NL in hits or was…He’s slumping lately but is a proven .280-290/25,hr guy. I like the kid, but c’mon, he’s been in the league a month.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        Kid just did good there Salty.

  38. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    WTF?

  39. Flavor said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    these youngsters are carrying the team right now….

  40. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    Oh my friggen, fraggin, froggin Gawd! True, i was expecting a Panik attack, maybe even a double with two on, but a ding-dong-dinger? YeeHAA. Who wants to argue now that 2B is no longer not to be. We got us a keeper. Maybe it was that E-4 in the bottom of the first that made him seek atonement.

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Werth’s HR was not off a really bad pitch by Huddy. A bit of a hanger, but it was low, Werth had to dig it out a little. Gyros need to add on…

  41. salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Tomorrow he’s batting 2nd 😉

  42. DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Cum shot!

    • Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:01 pm

      That’s money Loo.

  43. salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    From now on I’m leaving the sabermetics for James

  44. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    107 pitches for Pfister. That relentless Panik attack (3 for 3) and Buster chiming in must be the heaviest flak he has caught since many weeks ago with Detroit. Our 2nd baseman now leads the squad in B.A. He is completely en fuego. Must have one helluva approach at the plate ~ like a seasoned veteran.

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm

      NL Player of the month if he stays hot…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:00 pm

        Him and Jon Jay (.500 plus average in his last 15 games).

      • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:05 pm

        I’m so old, I remember Joey Jay…

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 5:58 pm

      Panik’s emergence shows that a quality minor league apprenticeship — 3 full minor league seasons progressing stepwise A, AA, AAA with 1500 or so ABs — is what is needed at the averages for success of a solid prospect at MLB level. Guys like Will Clark are the exception, and Belt’s struggles early after being called up too soon help prove the rule. It’s still early, but Panik seems to have the offensive and defensive foundations to succeed. However he learned his approach to take ABs should be followed by others in the organization…

      • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        Of course you have to earn those promotions, right?

  45. wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    2 out magic returning…Yes

  46. DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    Unreal…

    • salty said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      He loves the 6th spot apparently.

  47. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Yep, but in a good way. 🙂

  48. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Appears Ishikawa is one happy camper being back in orange and black. He’s been cracking doubles like short-order cooks crack eggs.

    And Panik!! Four for four. Well above .300 now and rising. He looks more and more like one of those throwbacks ~~ a true hitter. Earlier on i made the Robby Thompson comparison. Dare i suggest we could have another Pete Rose on our hands? Waaaay early to stand on that precocious assessment. Some guys, though, have that knack with a bat. With his first ML tater, this night will be one he will long remember.

    The scout and the evaluation people who suggested Panik as a prime draft pick should get some nice bonuses if he keeps up even a semblance of what he’s been doing lately.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      I hope he doesn’t gamble.

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      Panik was overheard before the game saying that he was taking the Giants as 8-5 dogs…

  49. Flavor said, on August 22, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    I’m feeling quite positive right now. Unusually positive. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel. All that jazz. If you’ve soured on my negative attitude over the last 2 months, get ready to feel the love. I’m coming at you with two fists and out of each one of those will have two thumbs, pointed skyward…….

    • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      Flavor, the Pied Piper of Flapdom. Who knew?

    • wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:07 pm

      Thank You…will be much appreciated Flav

    • eddacker said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      can you feel the love? my man Mangus! and my Giants, starting to get that april/may vibe back. WOOT

      speedy recovery, snarkk. is bozo at the game?

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:12 pm

        Thanx, edd…

  50. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    I’m diggin’ this offensive display…

  51. James said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Maybe Posey will get to his 820 OPS this year in a way that makes Chuck happy 🙂

  52. DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    I wonder if the scoreboard lights on the outfield fence are distracting to an outfielder running towards them like on Posey’s hit just now…

  53. James said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Blade mentioned earlier that the offense was still struggling. Of course, any stretch of time you look at is arbitrary, but for August they’ve been averaging over 4 runs a game entering tonight’s game.

    • wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:12 pm

      James…what’s your take on offense being down thruout mlb?

  54. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Geez, I hope they don’t blow their entire weekend load tonite. But, this is good stuff…

  55. DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Zito should pitch the 9th…

  56. gianthead said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Bust Her Posey is looking like his old self this week going the other way. So impressed by Panik. He looked major league caliber last year when we saw him in Richmond last year, but I never thought he would be having this impact this year…

  57. willedav said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    All these doom posts and Giants are kicking their ass.
    I do believe Mr. Bozo predicted this last night–Nats streak comes to an end.

    Anyone else up for the Flav challenge–only positive posts til Sept. 1?

    I remember Joey Jay. Reds SP of early 60s, like Bob Purkey. First non-SF hat I ever had, white with the red C.

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:12 pm

      Classic baseball hat…

  58. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    Okay. So there were a flapper or two who put on a brave face earlier today about tonight’s game and this series vs. the cream of the current crop. But who the hell ever expected we might come out on the sweet end of a good old-fashioned schtompping? Betcha the LaBumbos are happy to be facing the Mutts tonight. Else they might be seriously looking over their shoulders.

  59. DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Hope Pagan didn’t hurt himself rounding third before…

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      He did, question is how much…

  60. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Just back from SyrChiefs. The Nats’ AAA team. (Michael Taylor was here two weeks ago, the night a foul hit my arm/shoulder.) Game 1 was resumption of game suspended in 1st yesterday. It began at 4 today. Friends of mine got there at 3. Jimmy and I got there just before 7, normal starting time. I was confused to hear a game in progress. Manny Burris, batting 108, 41 rbis as the leadoff guy, playing good ball. Nate Schierholtz: missing on every offspeed pitch. Texting Magnus. Ocktoberfest night. So picture Manny w/ dreds on the scoreboard screen with liedershosen and his name is red German script. Hogan gives me an update, Giants 4-2. Panik HR! Hogan a big Nats fan. Mayoral candidate last yr. going to see Nats in Seattle next week. My crew of three other guys, including Stu from Montreal who is in his seventies and still plays hockey, two Purple Hearts from Vietnam, know I’m a Giants guy. I come home, Giants up 10-2 in the 8th. Life is good.

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      Sounds like a good time, pawlie…

  61. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    I see Loo still on fiyuh. He was laying in wait for his 5:45p.m. (I remember Joey Jay too.)

  62. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Why did Hudson last only 5.1?

    • wswins said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      95 or so pitches…

    • DJLoo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:32 pm

      He had thrown 187 pitches.

  63. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Panik representing the East Coast. A Yonkers, NY kid. St. John’s. Only flaw: was a Yankees fan growing up. Oh well, not his fault.

  64. Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    No sleep, no problem.

    • willedav said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Bozo at 9:23 last night:
      “Next, DC win streak is going down.”

      Batting 1.000 man, you going to one this weekend?

      • Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        Sweep DC, willie, sweep dem bastards

        The original plan was to go to all three,then the folks I was going with (and had the place to stay) crapped out on me. So I was going to go solo for tomorrow’s game but I pussyed out on that when it looked like the 4-5 hour drive would be in T storms the whole way (supposed to clear by game time). But when Twin mentioned the Half Smokes at Ben’s Chili Bowl, I almost changed my mind again. I do get to watch the games on TV instead of my PC, so I am happy about that.

  65. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Well, we got the first one, that’s always a plus on the road.
    The trip now can be no worse than .500, so let’s go get some gravy over the next two.
    Get ’em, tomorrow, Timmeh!…

  66. pawliekokonuts said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    As said by many, things looking up for the G-men. (What a difference a week makes.) G’night. I’m out, girls.

  67. stickman said, on August 22, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    .500 ball the rest of the road trip and we’re looking at a winnah. Buster is awakening. Ishi is happy to be back home and Panik is pushing those buttons. Hudson is happy with the help and our latest incarnation of Zito (Gutierrez) plugged in the 9th. So the pen is in decent shape for the rest of the roadie. Machi goes 1.2 tonight. His numbers are incredible. Quite the dumpster dive on that one.

    Timmy tomorrow could be anything from horrendless to spectacular. He must be driving the oddsmakers coocoo this year. Who can predict? Maybe the prospect of run support will fire up his jets. Early game tomorrow. Nats must be shaking their heads right now. Could someone be inside them?

  68. Macdog said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    That was fun. No crankin’ it up to 11 for the Nats.

    • Bozo said, on August 22, 2014 at 8:19 pm

      It would have been one louder.

  69. snarkk said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Panik looks like the future 2bman. But let’s not go overboard on him, just yet. The league will adjust to him in short order. If he’s a keeper, so will he adjust back, once the league adjusts to him. For next year, we still need a 3bman if/when Panda leaves, a backup catcher, a quality LFer (not Morse), a way better bench (no mo Arias and Blanco), a healthy Belt, and probably two starting pitchers, not to mention the usual 2 or 3 new Pen guys)…

  70. Macdog said, on August 22, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    I listened to the last few innings on my way home from a golf tournament/concert. That’s right, birdies and bogeys by Rory, Lefty and Bubba at The Barclays in North Jersey, then boogeying with Southside Johnny & the Asbury Jukes. I’ve seen Southside a bunch of times over the years, from amphitheaters to college campuses to Jersey Shore bars, but watching one of his shows on a stage set up near the 15th green was quite different indeed. So I was wondering, any of you big music guys know much about Southside Johnny? He’s kind of a semi-institution in Jersey, the anti-Bruce who still plays his own brand of bar-band rock ‘n’ roll anytime and anywhere, but I have no idea if how well-known he is outside of NJ/NY.

    Damn, the Mets suck.

  71. James said, on August 22, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    The most important thing about the second spot in the order is that a good hitter fills it, not a low OPS “contact” guy like . . . Duane Kuiper. Then again, it just doesn’t matter that much. OBP and SP correlate closest to the productivity of the offense, although it’s just common sense that you bat your highest OPS players at the top of the line up so they get more PAs. There are previously cited statistical studies that prove this, but whatever.

    WSW, the only thing I can say about the reduced scoring is that it’s been especially brutal on SF fans, who have a somewhat distorted view of what it means to have a crappy offense because the Giants’ scoring patterns have been consistently extreme (and weird) over the last two years. 🙂

    I continue to be intrigued by the certainty with which Michael Morse is dismissed by most of the Flap for next year, because he’s somehow going to be replaced by a “quality” LFer. Look up the stats for LFers with 300 or more PAs this year. Mike Morse is a fucking good player. Based purely on performance so far, his age is the only thing that should put him into question for next year, unless Scott Van Slyke miraculously shows up in training camp next spring.

    There is no bigger red herring than the worry about the defense of a LFer, except maybe for the concern about defense at all — the difference between the runs allowed by a crappy defensive team and a good one are statistically a very minor deal. Pitching and hitting are where teams really differentiate themselves. The defensive stats at Fangraphs tell you nothing about why one team won 92 games and another 84.

    • DJLoo said, on August 23, 2014 at 5:56 am

      You sold me.
      Alston always said if he had Mays, he’d bat him leadoff as he did in All Star games…

  72. DJLoo said, on August 23, 2014 at 6:30 am

    I figured out that the reason your last paragraph is true is because most defensive plays are routine for major leaguers. Now in slow pitch or beer league softball, defense is everything because everybody hits the ball and the pitching I’d meaningless.

    • DJLoo said, on August 23, 2014 at 10:37 am

      “is meaningless”


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