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Still Riding a Giant High

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 3, 2014

Driving home yesterday listening to the Niners game, KNBR came off a commercial break and the crowd was going wild. I thought something good must have happened. No such luck. The big screen was showing Bochy and Sabean. It was an awesome reminder of what just happened. What I still am having trouble processing.

And after Colin Kaepernick decided to hold his own personal sack party in the backfield yesterday, it was also a reminder that I’m gonna have to wait a while to see one of my teams win another world championship–cause it damn sure ain’t gonna happen with the Niners this year.


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  1. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 6:44 am

    Kaepernick and Harbaugh. Couple of douchebags right there.

    If Pagan and Cain return to form and Sandoval resigns I think it is reasonable to think another championship could happen.

    • Flavor said, on November 3, 2014 at 6:57 am

      I’m more worried about their pitching

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:06 am

        Agree but I don’t think Vogelsong or Peavy are the answer. Bumgarner, Cain, Hudson then Lincecum (to start the season at least). Sabean will dumpster dive for an arm and hope like hell that someone from the minors can breakthrough by mid season or make a deal. I don’t know. I’m in the no Peavy, Vogelsong camp. On the fence with Morse and don’t think Romo returns.

      • gianthead said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:01 am

        Romo is likely a Dodger…If they went out to get Phil Hughes on a sensible deal then see ya Peavy and Voggy. Peavy I think I’d an acceptable #5 with nothing more than a 2 year deal. Maybe he is willing to come on the cheap.

        I have my doubts about Panda coming back and I still like the idea of Cespedes in left. They can have Strickland:) we have a lot of arms in the minors that we can afford to give up one…Blanco and Pagan can split time in center and left.

      • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:48 am

        I agree, I think another solid #3 type pitcher is needed. I think Peavy and probably Vogey are gone, though a case for Vogey as a back of the rotation starter can be made. And left field needs to be shored up big time.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:17 pm

        I think Romo is a bum next year. I am leaning no on Morse, but do think they need to upgrade the OF. I am on the fence with Peavy and Vogelsong. Peavy will probably move on of his own accord, and I think Vogelsong gets every opportunity in ST to prove he warrants a spot on the team. If it is not Peavy and Vogelsong, they need to add at least one starter, perhaps two.

        But outside of all this, I see Sandoval as the biggest off-season decision. I was in the camp of “no way you sign Pablo” earlier in the year, but I have changed my tune. The only real viable alternative to Pablo, IMO, is Chase Headley. If I missed someone let me know. I just think he is too big a piece in the line-up to replace, both from an offensive perspective. and also with his play in the field, too.

    • gianthead said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:53 am

      No excuses for the garbage the Niners are putting on the field every week…

      • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:51 am

        Complete crap. The offense is miserable and guys like Staley are looking like they’re on the downside.

    • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:55 am

      I’m not sold on Hudson at all. Being 40, I think the Giants can find someone younger and cheaper to fill a 4 or 5 slot in the rotation. But that’s why Sabes makes the big bucks. Maybe it time to work Timmy into the bullpen, especially if Romo walks. I still think Panda re-signs. If he does leave, what the hell do the G’s do for a third sacker? Duffy? Duvall? I like the kids, but come on.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm

        LF – He is, and will be, a part of the rotation to start the season…if for no other reason because he is already signed through next year at 10 miil.

  2. gianthead said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Flav, how was your Breeder’s Day? I did not hit squat in 3-4 races with money on it. Texas Red was the juvenile right? Looks strong for the Derby…

  3. DJLoo said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:00 am

    There are some Ervin Santana rumors out there…

  4. wilcojoe said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:04 am

    There may not be a lot of big names on the FA list, but there are a ton of low risk, high reward guys at most positions. Will be interesting to see what Sabean does.

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:27 pm

      Yeah, and big name FAs has never really been Sabean’s MO. Would surprise the hell out of me if they went that route. They have made trades through along the lines of the Pence trade, and also going back to the Williams/Kent trade. So the flip-side is that Sabean is not afraid to deal.

  5. Nipper said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Yeah the Niners are really stinking at home. Levi Stadium is no advantage. Fans don’t mean a thing to the Niners.

    • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:57 am

      It’s not an advantage yet. I think it will be once they settle. And I think you’re wrong, the fans have always been a big deal to th 49ers.

  6. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Obviously the Sandoval move, whatever it may be, effects everything. If he does resign you hold off on the Posey moving decision and I would consider Pagan sliding to LF as an option because it allows you to look for both a LF and CF. Cespedes would be a nice troll move on the A’s but I don’t see it happening. You’d think that after 3 in 5 there might be more FAs wanting to come here but who knows?

    Anyone ever hear anything about the majority owner C. Johnson? Was he even at the parade or any WS games? Or did he just watch from his bathtub filled with gold flakes as he lit his cigar with hundred dollar bills?

    • wilcojoe said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:42 am

      I caught some of the parade on the MLB Network. It looked like there were several Johnson family members, but I don’t remember hearing his name… I thought Sabean was the highlight, with his “before you all start the re-sign Pablo chant and Larry I might be a little light” comment.

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:34 pm

      Pagan will not go to LF and I don’t think Bochy forces the issue. And I don’t see them going out and landing a big OF FA. They will focus on Pablo 1, Picthing 2, and then the OF, IMO. I think Panik is back at 2nd, even though Scutaro says he is coming back (eh, right), Duffy makes the club as a utility guy, and Susac is the back-up C. Strickland will have a chance to make the club, but no guarantee. If not, I see him vying for the closer role in Sacto.

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:36 pm

      Agree Wilco, that comment by Sabes was golden. And I did not see Charles Johnson at the parade, but he could have been on the opposite side of the cable car. Dude is hands-down the richest man in baseball. Would be cool if he loosened the purse strings a bit more this year.

  7. wilcojoe said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:39 am

    This is going to be one hell of a long off season for me. At least the Niners were enjoyable enough to follow the last several years, to help bridge the gap to March. Not so this year. I haven’t watched an entire Warriors game in years, so that’s not an option. Hockey? What’s that? Thank God for college football.

    • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:59 am

      The Warriors are a lot of fun to watch. Give ’em another chance.

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:41 pm

      The Warriors are definitely fun to watch. And hockey, you either get it or not (same is true for soccer). IMO hockey is one of the best sports to see live. Especially if you are close to the ice. When OU got their second loss I could give a flying fuck about college FB.

  8. Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:46 am

    Regarding the Niners and their pathetic inconsistency this season, I’ve got one thing to say: Go Dubs!

  9. willedav said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:57 am

    I’m with Flav, pitching would be first priority, esp an SP. Just say no to yet another Lincecum comeback and slide Petit into #5. Lot of options out there for front line help (Lester for one), tho not inexpensive.
    Remember too, all of top 4 Reds SPs will be FAs next year, so at least one or two will likely be available, since Reds could easily finish last in that division.
    I seriously doubt Pagan changes position, Posey either at least next year.

    Niners issues with teams like Bears and Rams precludes whipping up on playoff teams. Cue the Saints guy…

    Dubs are gonna be real good, more depth and better coached, but West will be tough to get through.

    Sharks had Kings on ropes last year and came up short, yet again. Lot of young talent but not good enough goaltending (continuing theme) to go far. And dumping the announcer guy Remenda was bad move.

    Beane, of course, still searching for someone to fill revolving door of players. Seems to work OK during reg season, although they did not finish well. But he still has holes to fill and too many catchers.

    Locally (and otherwise) Giants reign supreme.

  10. Flavor said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:03 am

    calling this “epic” doesn’t really do it justice. Get ready to LOL

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:13 am

      Yoga pants Pence, Royals Terminator! BAAHHAHAHA…That was fantastic!

    • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:15 am

      Yeah, there was no stopping Terminator MadBum!!

      • pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:23 am

        I just love that.

    • Lurker John said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:30 pm

      That’s hilarious.

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:43 pm

      Too damned funny. Agree…the Terminator MadBum kicked ass.

  11. zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Okert faced only one batter in the Fall League All-Star game, but he looked really good. He came in as a LOOGY and had good-looking LOOGY stuff to a lefthanded hitter. He had that real sweeping slider going away from the lefty hitter, and struck the guy out, for the third out, and then the manager, unfortunately, brought somebody else in to pitch the next inning.

  12. Flavor said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:42 am

    this one might be even better

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:04 am

      These things are full of all kinds of awesome. Thanks for the laughs.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:26 am

        that is crazy…

    • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      Yeah, they were both great…but I give this one the nod. Very good Flav…thanks for the share and laughs….

  13. Chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:55 am

    I was just looking at the thread headings for the past couple and wanted to comment re: this team not being a dynasty, and being fucked for next year. I beg to differ. If they sign Pablo (and they will…I said a few threads back that you can book it), Cain comes back healthy, and they add a starter or two (and they will), then I see no reason this team will not be competitive again. I trust Sabean to make the required moves, and Bochy to be his masterful self at working with what he has.

    Time to break the cute little “every other year mold” and win another next year! As snarkk would say…Why the Fuck Not?

    Parade was off the charts. I sent a few picts to Flavor during the parade, and will send a few more that hopefully he can post. I got quite a few awesome shots of most of the players, Bonds, Mays, Dominican Dandy, etc. Rain on our parade…fuck that.

    Before you know it, it will be time to throw a log or two on the hot stove.

  14. pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Sports Illustrated, on the back page, has all kinds of stats from a professor in Toronto on how hard it is to get in the Series, or any sports final — never mind win 3 out of 5. I didn’t watch the parade. I hope that doesn’t mean I am getting complacent or taking any of this for granted.

  15. pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Remember, after the 2010 WS Buster Posey casually said something like, why NOT more, a lot more?

  16. twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 11:17 am

    My usual “Dead Wrongo” guesses, FAs:
    *Pablo- 4/80 stays
    *Peavy- said to looking for 2 years, 14 per- too much, pass
    *Vogey- making 5 this year- if he’ll take the 5 on a one year deal, go for it
    *Romo- stays, 2 years/7 per
    *Morse- better fit for AL, but I’ve come to like the Beast- 2 years, 7 per (platoon with Blanco )

    ARBs ( I think this is close on how many. None will actually go to Arb, they’ll settle
    Belt- 4.5 ( 2nd time, probably about 6 without injuries)
    Blanco- (2nd time) 4
    Crawford- (first time) 2.9
    Petit- (first time) 2.2
    Sanchez (first time) 1
    Ishi (?) 1.2

    Never mind the usual numbers.

    • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 12:51 pm

      Wow, Peavy seems a little….I won’t say delusional, but a little pie-in-the-sky on that. I’m not sure I’d even give him two years no matter the price. I’d say something like 1 year/7 or 8 million. If he doesn’t like that, thanks for the memories, Peavy, have a great life. 🙂

      • twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:09 pm

        Yeah, I pass on Peavy for those bucks. I like your figure but doubt he’ll take it.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:26 pm

        I agree on the one year, but no way he takes 7 or 8. One year at 10 would be my max.

  17. Irish Kevin said, on November 3, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Well now the fun begins. who stays, who goes. who gets paid.
    Panda gets paid.
    Vogey, Peavy, Hudson gone long gone.
    Morse I would love to have him health and stay.
    Pagan, he needs to come back 100% health. 3rd year in a row has played less than 100 games. He is a bum
    If they don’t sign Morse then Perez and Blanco platoon LF. Perez plays when Blanco has to move to CF when Pagan gets hurt again.

    • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      Hudson is under contract for one more year, for a lot of money. He’ll start the season in the rotation, along with Lincecum. But…..Sabean/Bochy better have some plan B’s in mind as the season goes along. Maybe Petit moves into the rotation again, for one thing.

      • Irish Kevin said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:11 pm

        Well who the hell gave a 40 year old a two year deal. This is what frustrates me about the Giants. That was/is a waste of money. Timmy at least helped get the Giants two WS rings/flag/Trophy.

      • James said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:43 pm

        Hudson pitched well in the playoffs until the last game, and he seems like a fair bet to deliver another 3.5 ERA year.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:30 pm

        And it is questionable if the Giants win it all this year without Hudson. You are blind to signing older players, Kevin, and I disagree with it. There can be the occasion for a seasoned vet to be a good fit. They needed a pitcher and if you remember, Hudson for two at that coin was one of the better deals out there. And I see Vogey getting a legit shot at making the club next year. It will be on him to make it happen. I hope like hell Pagan comes back healthy after his surgery, as the Giants need him. And they need to upgrade the OF (not necessarily a big name FA), but something that translates to no platoon with Blanco and Perez as starters.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:30 pm

        I like Petit right where he is…as a long guy/spot starter.

  18. zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    I see the ’15 rotation starting the season with Bum, Cain, Hudson, Lincecum, and one of these 3 Peavy/Vogey/Petit, unless the Giants decide to blow everyone’s mind and go after Ervin Santana or another high-profile free agent pitcher. But the parameters of their budget seem pretty set.
    The odds are Lincecum is out of the rotation by mid-season, and maybe someone else, too.

  19. zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Romo didn’t pitch often in the playoffs, but he pitched well; I would think the Giants really want him back. There’s the possibility that there’s some personal stuff behind the scenes that have soured things, but we may not know that for sure.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:38 pm

      I know that they have plans for Hunter Strickland but his postseason might have made Romo a lot of money. A little of the shine is off of Hunter and his performance might have keeping Romo a priority.

      • DJLoo said, on November 3, 2014 at 2:10 pm

        Strickland’s also good for the kayak business in McCovey Cove…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 3:38 pm

        gold from Loo, the kind of gold we’ve come to expect

  20. twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    *Andrew Baggarly @CSNBaggs · 3m 3 minutes ago

    No last-minute charge to re-sign Sandoval before exclusivity window closes at 9 p.m. PST, I’m hearing. He will hit the open market.

    *Andrew Baggarly @CSNBaggs · 8m 8 minutes ago

    #SFGiants have made a $15.3 million qualifying offer to Pablo Sandoval, I’m told. They did not offer on Peavy, Vogelsong, Romo or Morse.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:55 pm

      I didn’t realize that a club could make multiple qualifying offers. For some reason I thought it was one per club. Regardless, I’m not surprised those 4 didn’t get it. Maybe Morse tries to keep the Pence bromance alive and stays but I doubt it. This is his chance to cash in. Too bad, being able to pencil him in at DH was a key difference maker in the series.

      MLB should consider extending the exclusive negotiations window for WS participants. Usually they would have ten days or something and now because of participation in the championship round they get barely 5 days.

      Anyway, regarding your earlier post on Sanchez arb. I wonder if they have him in mind at 3b as a double secret, lets hope it doesn’t come to it, back up plan.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 3, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      I saw the qualifying offer cross my phone, but then couldn’t find it . . . Peavy is pining for Chi-town with his buddy Ness Lester. The Cubbies look like they may be hot next year.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:35 pm

        I have heard that Chicago rumor…

  21. unca_chuck said, on November 3, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Cain’s return to form would be a ginormous boost to the rotation. Either Vogie or Timmy could fill the 5 hole, but not both of them at the same time. They very well could groom Petit for that 4th spot if/when Timmy/Vogie hit the skids but that still leaves a spot in the rotation to fill.

    Shit, there are a million SPs hitting free agency?how about Brandon McCarthy? He wouldn’t cost too much, and he revived himself a la Jake Peavy after switching teams. Or go the Vogie route and re-sign Liriano?

  22. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 3, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Liriano and Santana extended qualifying offers.

  23. wswins said, on November 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    You guys shouldn’t rosterbate…don’t you know you’ll go blind and probably miss another WS….

    • twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      Urban Dictionary:

      “Rosterbate: When internet tards with no history of managing professional sports teams endlessly discuss what roster moves their favorite teams will make during the offseason.”
      Sounds about right.

      ” Rosterbate:when a guy stabs a pencil or similar shaped object in his pee hole. Similar to masturbating but a lot more painful”
      I think I’ll go with #1…

         

  24. blade3colorado said, on November 3, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Great comments! I have no idea about roster moves, signings, etc., where I can speak intelligently on what the Giants need to do (albeit, I do trust Sabes and his staff to field a competitive team). In short, still basking my ass off in Jakarta, Indonesia. I met a Cards fan the day before yesterday. Similar to the Cardinall guest blogger (forgot his name) who posted here – this person was gracious in defeat. We discussed the postseason and World Series over coffee and I really enjoyed chatting with him. I am also pissed at myself for not taking a photo of him and posting it to my blog (as he was wearing his Cards hat).

    By the by, those interested in Batik artwork – I just posted something on my blog regarding this Indonesian art form . . .

  25. twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    Here’s what I think the 2015 squad could look like . Before you think that it’s about the same as this year, remember that several guys were out for extended periods and some were new in the second half- Pagan, Belt, Cain, Susac, Panik, Duffy. That’s 6 who were not here for a goodly portion of 2014, plus Kontos and the rookie Okert.

    ,Susac,Belt,Panik,Crawford,Panda,Arias,Duffy,Pence,Pagan,Blanco,Perez, Morse*

    I’ll take any replies off the air.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:36 pm

      Scutaro is under contract for $6,666,666; would you eat that? trade him?

      • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:50 pm

        The Giants will be eating that salary, and just considering it a bonus payment for his big contribution in ’12. They should wait until the middle of the off-season, then quietly release him, and thank him for his contribution to the team in ’12. They appreciate he tried to come back in ’14. But he’s done as a major leaguer, it looks like. I really hope there’s not the farce of an attempt at a comeback in ’15.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:07 pm

        What Zumiee said.

  26. blade3colorado said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    I hope they sign Panda, but don’t mortgage the future . . . He has been terrific in the postseason (especially, the WS). However, his batting stats have been digressing each year from 2011, e.g., OPS is:

    2011 – .909
    2012 – .789
    2013 – .758
    2014 – .739
    2015 – ?

    Just hoping that other areas of need aren’t short changed because we outrageously overpaid him. That being said, his market is sky high because of his WS performance and IMO, it is doubtful we’ll be able to retain him. 😦

    • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      I hope he stays with SF, a place of unconditional love for him. I’d hate to see him go somewhere where, if he gets off to a slow start, they start booing him and it gets ugly. That would be sad.
      I’d go with 5 years/90 million, that’s about what Pence is getting, and maybe he’s willing to sign for that.

      • zumiee said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:01 pm

        And I know the blogs and talk radio can be rough about him at times, but that’s a small amount of people, comparatively speaking.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:11 pm

        I am easily down with 5 years/$90 million as well. I get uncomfortable when it goes beyond that. Just my take, but Pence is the leader of the team (position players anyway) . . . He is the epitome of unselfishness, i.e., what I imagine is the “ideal” ballplayer. Plus, he never lies down – 100% 24/7 – during the season and the off season. Dude is always trying to get an edge. I really think it would be near an insult for him not to be the highest paid position player on the team.

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        I like 5 at 90, but would not go with the no-trade clause that Pence got in his deal for that amount.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:11 pm

      Those numbers will look a lot better if he wins the GG. I was referring to the batting numbers, in case I wasn’t clear.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:14 pm

        Good point Twin. I’m coming around on Panda. He proved a lot in the last couple of months to me. I hope he gets a Pence like deal. As I said a couple of minutes ago – I get uncomfortable if it goes beyond that area of 5/90 years and dollars.

  27. twinfan1 said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Quiroz and Brett Bochy have been removed from the 40-man

    • DJLoo said, on November 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm

      I wonder if those 2 get rings.
      How about Hicks and Colvin?
      And of course Uggla….

      • chipower9 said, on November 3, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        I think they will all get rings…

  28. tedspe said, on November 3, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    So, didn’t mention before…the parade. Was I there? Uhm…no choice. It started at Market and Steuart and my new job is located at…Market and Steuart. It was already a cluster fuck by 8:30am with the crowds but I saw Pence, Sabean and Posey ( the World Series MDP) get engaged in their vehicles. It was a fucking musical nightmare from about 9am until about 11am with what sounded like 14 kazoos and a drum. The crowd was so fucking loud no one could do any work but even the crazy Chinese managers I work with were totally cool about it. My sexy boss even kept telling me “It’s cool if you want to go outside, go ahead, no problem” but it was useless. It was better to see what was going on from the 12th floor. Fucking cool. I *did* do outside a couple time but all I saw was the back of the heads taller then me.
    But it was fucking cool. Too fucking cool.
    Giants win every other year.
    As someone more clever then I stated…it’s a freaking Clockwork Orange (and Black)

  29. DJLoo said, on November 4, 2014 at 4:09 am

    I was working in the Wall Street area when the Mets won it 1986. The parade began literally in front of our building. Everyone was allowed outside to watch. I refused. Sat alone on the 43rd Floor with my ears covered and my back to the window.
    Never forget.

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