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The “You Didn’t Win the World Series” Awards

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 6, 2014

This “3 in 5” thing….more basking…..it’s changed me as a fan and the way I look at sports. It makes all the individual awards like gold gloves and similar individual awards look just so…..secondary. There’s probably a better word. I guess if you’re a fan of a team like the Dodgers or the A’s, and you haven’t won the World Series in decades, you get excited about trivial things.

And I’m not just using this thread as a way to dog Dodger or Oakland fans.

Do any of you care even a little bit about a freaking Gold Glove award? I seem to recall that I used to care. But with all these rings piling up, I dunno, I just don’t see the importance of them anymore…..

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  1. Nipper said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:07 am

    Perhaps a Giants sweatshirt for winter. Or a jacket with the Giants logo would be nice. My size is XL.

  2. sfsarge said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:14 am

    I still think these awards are important. If one of our guys won one I would be excited for them. It’s recognition for individual accomplishment. Sure it’s a team sport and you play for the name on the front, but it’s nice to be rewarded for being the best fielder of your position. Of course, they pale in comparison to a WS trophy, let alone 3 in 5. Man, I love saying that, 3in 5!

    • salty said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:04 am

      Well said.

  3. gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:15 am

    Catching up on yesterday’s comments after nodding off before the Warriors game (4-0 start that I could easily see turning into a 10-0 start if we beat Houston next), not much more can be said about Posey playing 3rd. My main point is that there will be am effort to see if he can play the position. I forgot about Biggio, but Torre was a great answer from Loo.

    Can’t compare Posey to Brenly, whom I loved but I don’t remember Brenly being more than an average arm and little above average defensively. Posey had a plus arm and think he is a premier defender. So think he is worlds more talented than Brenly that playing 3rd is not as difficult as some think.

    But no way in Hell do you trade Belt! Cheap contracts for productive players is like gold!!

    • Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:24 am

      It took Pablo a couple of years to make the transition from catcher to third. but I have to think he’s in the GG mix this year. A few years ago Bochy said that he thought Posey would make a good third baseman (don’t remember the exact quote), still I don’t expect to see it anytime soon.

  4. willedav said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:29 am

    As I said before, Opie can have all the individual awards he gets…which I’m sure he’d give up in a heartbeat for what Giants have.
    We gotta have a sign, like last 3 fingers of left hand or something, for 3 in 5 (like where the rings would go), that lets everyone know, like the knowing dude head nod.

  5. Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:31 am

    I never really followed the awards much unless it was one of our guys. The gold glove is a weird one to me, some years it seems like a guy wins it as much for his bat as his glove. Blanco plays a solid CF but doubt he’s even being considered. Belt and Panik probably didn’t get enough playing time but IMO should be in the mix.

    Since winning in 2010, I have been following the Manager of the Year award more closely.

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:37 am

      See my post below. It’s absurd that Bochy has never won MOTY as a Giant. He won one as a Padre.

  6. gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:32 am

    And here I why I think Panda is going to seek a max contract. All of us are die hard Giant fans who would play for free if we ever had the talent. But Panda is not getting a contract for himself. He is looking to take care of his entire family and making $20 or $30 million does actually make a big difference. It would not for us, but with his brother acting as one of his agents since he could not make it in the big leagues himself, the pressure will be on taking the most money.

    And if we are honest and we were not Giant fans, what team has as passionate of a fan base besides the Giants and Cards and play in baseball’s mecca of a stadium. Red Sox fans may even bleed more for their team than we do. All Panda would have to do is get them one more World Series championship in the next 2-3 years and he would be a legend there. I totally see him playing the role of Lil Panda Poppi and being adored.

    I think he ends up with 6 years and closer to $120 mill.

    Also want to note I had seen someone reference the rich owner the Giants have. That is not correct. There is not a singular owner but a consortium of rich people. Rich people as a group like their money. We can’t be more than half way paying off that stadium correct? As a group I can see them giving Sabean the go ahead and push payroll to $160 mill and maybe to $170 if there was an extraordinary reason. You give Panda $15 mill next year, that takes you to lower $140 mill with a lot of other contracts to sign. One starter is a must, but may need two. Casilla probably needs some more dough to keep him locked up for couple additional years. We have a question for left. I still like the idea of Pagan there and Blanco in center. But if you add a bat there and 2 starters and a Panda contract, you are already approaching $170 mill.

    Which is why I don’t see us going over $90 on a Panda contract and why he leaves for a bigger deal. I still like the concept of Cespedes for $10 mill in 2015 in left and then adding two arms and filling out other contracts that gets you to $160 mill. Leaves another $10 mill on the table to get a piece if needed during the season. Two arms and left fielder and using what we have for 3rd with Hector Sanchez, Duffy and Arias all as part – time possibilities is the way to go in my most humble of opinions of course:)

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:46 am

      I think I read that the mortgage should be paid off in 2017. The debt payments are around $20million per year.

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:49 am

      I like your take on Lil Papi Panda. I could totally see that happening. I still think the only reason Big Papi was doing studio work for FOX was he was encouraged to do so by the Sox in order to help recruit Pablo. It certainly wasn’t for his insightful commentary;)

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:02 am

      We can agree to disagree on this one Ghead. Pablo has publicly said he wants to stay and retire a Giant. If he is being truthful, the IMO, he will take a bit less coin (5/100, etc.) and sign with SF. I still think he returns.

  7. wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:34 am

    As I mentioned the other day, the problem I have with these awards is that they are voted on prior to the postseason. I don’t think this makes much of a difference for the Gold Glovers but for the big 3: Manager of the Year, CY Young and MVP, it just makes zero sense. If votes came out the day after the World Series, I think Bochy gets MOTY, Kershaw still takes CY Young and Mad Bum gets the MVP. This years NL finalists are about as underwhelming as they come. Giancarlo Stanton? Really?

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:03 am

      Absolutely agree with you on this one, Wilco.

  8. Macdog said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:38 am

    The only awards that matter to me are NLCS MVP (MadBum) and World Series MVP (MadBum),

  9. chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:55 am

    First, if Chico stops back in, sorry to hear about your pops. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

    I don’t pine over the individual awards, but I think if one of our guys is deserving, then it is cool to see them get the acknowledgement. On the flip-side…I know that any guy on that 25 man roster would trade any individual accolade for another trophy and ring.

  10. DJLoo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:08 am

    I had pointed out in September that I thought Posey had noticeably improved at first base handling hard hit grounders. A few of you agreed. He’s also accustomed to hastily getting rid of the ball from out of a crouch to make the throw from home to second which I believe is the same distance as third to first. Isn’t this encouraging for a future at third?

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:34 am

      Loo – I don’t question Posey having the arm to play 3rd, but I question whether or not he has the range. Regardless, I don’t see him moving to 1st or 3rd anytime soon.

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:18 am

    I don’t think Sandoval is going to be going for some sort of hometown discount or less than 5 years.

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:29 am

      We can agree to disagree, Dirt. For example if the Giants offer 5/100 and beantown 5/110-120, I think he takes a bit less to stay in SF.

      None of us have a fucking clue, but that is my thought on Pablo. Time will tell. I still say he stays.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:36 am

        I think it is pretty much 50/50 that he stays but it’s really length of contract he looking for. He’ll get 6 years and probably take it. I also think it will be somewhere other than Boston or SF.

      • DJLoo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:38 am

        If you consider $10-20 million “a bit”, te salud, Don Corleone…

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:41 am

        Okay, Loo…poor choice of words. 10-20 mil is nothing to sneeze at, but I just believe Pablo will take less to stay, especially if he is being truthful in saying he wants to stay in SF and retire a Giant.

  12. Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:38 am

    When a player says he wants to retire as a (insert team name here), doesn’t that usually mean that they are looking for years (with the right money attached)? A two year contract for an older guy might do it, but would a five year contract for a 28 year old do it (12 years in the majors is a pretty good run)? Yes Pablo would like to stay, but he also wants the security of a long term deal. If Boston or someone offers more years, why wouldn’t he take it? He is single, so moving isn’t a big deal, he knows players on other teams from AS games, Winter ball etc, he probably has some really good friends in these cities that are supposedly courting him (Boston, Chicago and long shot Miami). If the Giants offered a five year contract (I think that is a big if) and Boston offered six, I think most players would switch from Anchor Steam to Sam Adams.

  13. salty said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Forget this crap about Pablo playing his entire career as a giant. Unless it’s shortened with injury, he’s moving on to the AL where he can DH till he s 40. Taken literally, if he wants to finish as a giant, he’d be looking for about 10 years. That won’t happen.

  14. Irish Kevin said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Panda, Panda, Panda, well I can see him going to Boston or another AL team. Only because he can then say oh Phuck it no more conditioning just put me in as DH. No worries for him. He gets his money and gets to eat too.

  15. wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Paulinasia had a good post yesterday about whether or not these guys can get bored after 3 rings, playing for the same team, living in the same city, etc… I think he made a pretty valid argument. To us that seems heretic, but I think there could be some truth to that. A lot of people thought Nick Saban would leave Bama to take on the challenge of winning a national championship at three different university’s. However at his age, he may have realized that he had a pretty good thing going where he was and Bama made a handsome offer to keep him in place. Of course if Bama loses to Auburn again, he might wish he had left.

    • zumiee said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:47 am

      It’s possible Pablo wants to see what kind of numbers he can put up in a more hitter-friendly ballpark.
      But I wonder- do the players take into account the media and fan environment they’re going into, or is that really a distant thought to them most of the time, in these free agent situations? Sure, the players are supremely confident; they didn’t excel at this level without being confident in their abilities, but do they know how quickly certain fan-bases and media can turn on a player? It’s just really different on the East Coast, and I hope Pablo is fully aware of that. If he goes to the Red Sox, that whole scene is going to expect instant results. If Pablo gets off to a slow start, it could get ugly, and then a player can start pressing, and actually doing worse, and the whole thing can spiral downward. But then again, the player can laugh to the bank, so to speak.

  16. salty said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Well, Pablo looked anything but bored at the Parade.

    I could see it this were KC or Houston or fla, where no one goes to the games. SF has it all. World class city beautiful stadium adoring fans, a winning team, generous classy org, great teammates….Boston can offer that as well. Comes down to simply show me the money.

  17. wswins said, on November 6, 2014 at 9:57 am

    We flappers aren’t gonna decide who plays where and how much we pay them to.

    Flav, I just read your response to my post saying Posey can play either corner IF spot. I don’t care which position is harder…that wasn’t the point. Posey is a better ballplayer than Pablo at anything. If Pablo can play 3B you bet your ass Posey could. If they all wanted him to he would.

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:06 am

      I respect your opinion wins, but I am not sure that Posey is or ever would be a better 3rd baseman than Pablo. As I mentioned earlier, my concern with Buster at 3rd is his range. Not sure he has it for that position.

      Pablo is not exactly chopped-liver at the hot corner. I think he is right there in the mix for a GG next year. The only real competition I see in the NL is Arenado. That dude is a stud.

      • wswins said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:59 am

        chi, as you like to say, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Posey is/was a better C than Panda, a better 1B than Panda, just stands to reason a better 3B than him also. Did Panda play SS in college? Didn’t think so.

    • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 11:26 am

      you’re wrong. Pablo is a significantly better athlete than Posey. Pablo is completely, legitimately ambidextrous. Did you know that?

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 12:20 pm

        I did know that Craig. He was born left-handed, and his brother taught him how to bat and throw right-handed. The dude can do it all, from both the left and right side. And I agree with you and disagree with Wins…Pablo is a better athelete and has the range required to play 3rd. I question whether or not Posey has the required range. If Pablo walks…the Giants will go get a 3rd sacker like a Headley, etc. Posey will not be the answer.

      • wswins said, on November 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm

        I can do it with either hand also…who cares about that. There’s no ? as to who’s a better ball player, and who GM’s would rather have. Absolutely no ?….and you’re wrong more than you think.

      • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 12:36 pm

        I didn’t say better “ballplayer” I said “better athlete”. Sorry you don’t understand this. I’l stop wasting my time explaining it to you.

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        Wins – comparing someone’s skills at 1B to C to 3B is comparing apples to oranges. It takes a totally different skill set to play 1B vs. 3rd. You can say what the fuck you want (that I am totally wrong). I don’t give a rat’s ass. Pablo is a better 3rd baseman than Posey will ever be. We can agree to disagree. I am not wasting another fucking second on this one with you.

  18. salty said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Arenado won it.

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:30 am

      I know Salt, and I see him as the main competitor to Pablo for any future GGs…

      • salty said, on November 6, 2014 at 11:54 am

        My mistake, chi.

  19. Irish Kevin said, on November 6, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Babe Ruth had quite the contract in his day

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-sports-minute/babe-ruth-s-1922-contract-included-a-home-run-bonus-062218944.html

    • unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      Shit, Al Jolson made $100,000? Comedy was a good gig back then . . .

  20. unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    GH, Charlie Johnson is one of the richest guys around.

    For a look at how things go, Yoenis Cespedes is apparently hated in Boston and probably won’t return. At least the coaches can’t stand him.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 2:16 pm

      Charles Johnson – principal owner of our SF Giants, is ranked as the 213th richest person in the world (worth 6.6 billion). He is the richest owner in baseball, but leaves running the team to Baer.

      • gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        Is there any story that he is the principal owner? I am actually just interested if he is. My understanding is that there is an equal consortium. My Firm does work for Johnson’s Templeton Investments…

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:47 pm

        GHead – I got the snippet on Charles Johnson by googling him. I do have an article (I believe from the “NY Times”) that talks about him, in depth. I will try to find it and will share it if I find it.

  21. Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    great pic

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm

      Agree Flav. I remember seeing this online the night after they closed it out. Love the timing with the mask and catcher’s mitt suspended, mid-air. Great shot.

  22. zumiee said, on November 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Ah, this is a little harsh. 🙂

  23. James said, on November 6, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    I declare that Buster Posey and Pablo Sandoval are both better ball players than Y. Cespedes. Actually, Gregor Blanco was better last year than Yoenis was in Boston.

    Is Billy Beane still being castigated for trading away a grossly overrated athlete? I sincerely hope we don’t give up anyone useful for YC, if obtaining him is a possibility.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm

      Grossly overrated? I wouldn’t go that far.

  24. unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I brought up Cespedes only in the fact that different pastures may not be greener for Pablo. As appears to be the case with Yoenis. If he would stop trying to pull everything, he’d be a great all-around hitter.

    The HR derby fucked with his head.

  25. unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Speaking of awards, in no shock to anyone, Madison Bumgarner wins the Silver Slugger award for best hitting pitcher.

    I think he’s still pissed about no hits in the playoff, though.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Buster got one as well . . .

    • zumiee said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:01 pm

      Cool. I’d forgotten about the Silver Slugger Awards. The Giants end up winning some of the individual awards anyway, in addition to ANOTHER WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP RING. 🙂

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        It would not surprise me if Madison’s favorite of all his awards is the Silver Slugger.

  26. Nipper said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Just pay the guy and shut the bleep up. That’s my two cents.

    • Nipper said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      Awards are bullshit.

  27. zumiee said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    I’m not that impressed with the ‘pitch clock’ the Arizona league is using. The games don’t seem noticably sped up to me; but it would be interesting to see the data on that at the end of their season. Maybe it is working a little. And would MLB have the courage to use it? I’m skeptical, but the new commish does seem committed to doing something.

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:55 pm

      I had read about the pitch clock, and had hoped to see it live when I was in AZ a few weeks ago on business. I went to a Scottsdale Scorpion game hoping to see 1) the pitch clock, and 2) the young Cuban kid, Daniel Carbonell, play some OF and take a few hacks. I struck-out on both accords. They did not, for whatever reason, have the pitch clock up that night, and Carbonell never got into the game. The replay was tested in the AZ Fall League last year before being implemented in MLB this year.

  28. unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Hitters are doing more to slow the game down than the pitchers. If they want to sapeed up the game, cut into the time between innings.

    (GASP!)

    Can’t slow the gravy train.

    • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      Forbid stepping out of the box more than once in an AB. End the endless tugging and re-strapping of batting gloves after every pitch. Nonsensical. Bonds never did that. He stood in the box, and stayed there, ready to hit. Do that, and you save 15 minutes per game…

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:58 pm

      You guys are preaching to the choir. I agree a thousand fucking percent. Institute a rule around the hitter and his time in the batting box. I hate that shit. Gail loves Crawford, and I dig the kid too, but he is a classic example of the guy who has to step-out every fucking pitch to adjust something. Get in THE BOX and HIT!

  29. giants54 said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    What the heck was Headley injecting in 2012?

  30. pawliekokonuts said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Loo, I was at that Mets parade by Wall Street in 1986. Did you see me? The “confetti” was actually IBM computer paper, shredded. Tickertape, so to speak.

    • DJLoo said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm

      I remember the sight of it just as it was beginning to rain down past the windows. I had to turn my back.
      How could you stand it? New York was such a Met town back then.

  31. pawliekokonuts said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    The Sports Illustrated subscription I got via airlines miles is turning out to be so welcome. Love those WS recaps, Mr. Verducci.

    • zumiee said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm

      I haven’t seen a Sports Illustrated since my local Borders Books closed. The other day I was in a Costco, and they had a Lindy’s Magazine special issue about the Giants called “Dynasty By The Bay,” and I bought it. It’s a nice overview of the Giants’ ‘3 in 5.’ The writing in the articles is probably not at the level of Verducci, though.

    • sfsarge said, on November 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      As a wordsmith PK, I’m sure you have a great appreciation for the writing in SI. Perhaps, because I was in a far less mature station in life the last time I tried to read one, I couldn’t get through one article. SI was such a dry read for me. The last one I bought was after the 2012 win. Don’t think I ever even opened it.

  32. DJLoo said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    It’s just starting to sink in.
    The San Francisco Giants.
    Three World Series titles in 4 years.
    No matter what you guys think of my math.
    It is absolutely unbelievable.

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      I think your math is correct. As long as you don’t say 3 in 5 “seasons” you are in the right.

      • DJLoo said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:56 pm

        Thanks, Mean Joe!

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:03 pm

      Thanks, Loo. I have been way too wrapped-up in hot stove shit the past few days. And you reminded me of what it is truly all about..and that is WINNING FUCKING CHAMPIONSHIPS! And…as a fan, basking your ass off! It is still time to savor the victories…2010 – 2012 – 2014. I say break the mold and win another in 2015. And as snarkk would say, “why the fuck not?”

  33. paulinasia said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Zum, agree about that pitch clock in AZ. I have always loved the fact that baseball is the only *major* sport (I don’t count golf as a major sport) to not be “on the clock”. It just adds to its timelessness, nice summer days or evenings stretching on until the game reaches its natural conclusion. Theoretically, the games could go on forever. As could the foul lines, without the confines of the ball park, stretching into infinity. Figure out other ways to quicken the pace of games, but would hate to see MLB add a clock in any way shape or form. Pardon the interruption, now back to the Pablo/Posey conjecture circus…

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:52 pm

      I agree 100%

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      I absolutely agree too, Paul. It is one of the most beautiful aspects of the game.

  34. blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    I’m not too much into Giants “swag,” but I am thinking about getting this ring . . .http://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/121529001_san-francisco-giants-mens-ring.html?searchTerm=San+Francisco+Giants+ring&N=8125

    Does anyone have one? More important, in the main photo, is this the actual size? If so, I would have to pass (way too big for my hand/finger).

  35. gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    The reason I brought UP Cespedes originally was as speculation in a possible post – Panda world and with the reports coming out of Boston about Cespedes that he may be on the outs while they were showing Panda interest, that Cespedes may be expendable. Cespedes may also have not adjusted to Boston and prefers the Bay Area.

    The reason I would take a gamble ON Cespedes if Panda is gone is that he just has one year left on his contract at $10 mill. He may be highly motivated in a contract year and the Giants also would not be burdened with a long contract. Win – win in my mind. You either produce or hit the road jack. He has maybe the best arm in baseball and he seems a plus defender.

    Now in terms of who is a better athlete, yes Panda is a freak athletically and I always said it did not matter how big he was because he had that athletic skill. But Flav, weren’t you the one calling him a fat piece of you know what???? Just razing you brother Flav…

    But look everyone. Each of us knows that Posey can’t keep playing catcher every day. Regardless of what Posey wants to do, I don’t think there is an argument that Posey playing catcher every day has had a negative effect on his offense. Is that even under question? He turned into a complete singles hitter during the playoffs.

    Are we paying $120 some odd million for a singles hitter regardless of his defense and pitch-calling? So to get the proper offense production, Posey has to transition. 1B is the obvious position, but we have a potential gold glover there and Belt’s size is a huge advantage in playing that position and to me is a huge advantage over Posey defensively. Yes Belt can play some left, but why trade in his plus defense at first.

    So to me, if we don’t have an obvious and immediate starter at third, even with Posey’s presumably less stellar potential defense at 3rd, his potential offensive improvement getting away from catching is very likely to me much more impactful than Panda’s offense. A fully healthy and rested Posey playing 3rd or 1B should be a lock at a 30 homer 100 rbi guy. Does anyone argue that? Is Panda going to give us that every or most years in a 5 year deal? I honestly don’t think so and don’t think any Flapper thinks so. Is Headley going to give us that? Fuck no. So you Sabermetric guys can tell us what Posey’s defense numbers would do to affect his WAR numbers with his heightened likely offensive production.

    So why would they not consider Posey at third? I am still not saying we should just pencil him in there but why not play Posey 80 games at catcher and 30 some odd games at 1st and 30 at third?

    • blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:05 pm

      Good post (and argument). Me? No opinion really. It will all shake out in Spring training. We will have a great team regardless.

      • gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:19 pm

        Agree with you on that Blade

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:13 pm

        Agree with you re: ST, Steve.

    • Nipper said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:07 pm

      WAR? Are we at WAR? I guess Obama is pissed after these elections.

      • gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        Real pissed…

    • gianthead said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      And of course I have to go to my favorite past time…the mythical what if lineup.

      In Giant Head’s world:

      1) Pagan – CF (he will never stay 100% healthy)
      2) Panik – 2B (for hopefully the next 10 years)
      3) Posey – 3B
      4) Belt – 1B
      5) Pence – RF
      6) Crawford – SS (lefty to break up the righties)
      7) Cespedes – LF
      8) Susac – C

      Lineup may not scare a lot of people but we just won our 3rd frickin championship with arguably a lot less. I like the above a lot…Blanco obviously at the top when he plays for Pagan…

    • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:47 pm

      Well, I haven’t called him fat recently. And even when he was fat that didn’t negate the fact that he is an outstanding athlete.

    • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Sabes would have to trade somebody(ies) to get Cespedes, he’s got one year left on his deal. Not sure what that would require from the Giants. Maybe not a lot. I’d go for it. Let the Giants clubhouse work its magic on him. Cespedes, Pagan, Pence. That’s a pretty good OF…

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Great post GH.

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Great post GH!

      • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        It was so good, I said it twice.

  36. blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    I love this article . . . Call it the Fan Base Misery Index. I especially loved reading where the Dogshits are. Ha.

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/100436928/mlb-most-tortured-franchises-cubs-pirates-brewers-mets-tigers?partnerId=ed-8783673-658620023

  37. unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Guys don;t just come in and shift positions like jersies. 3rd base is not a spot where you can make mistakes. Or be below average. Posey played SS as a freshman, and caught most of the rest of the way. He’s got a decent arm, but you need a lot more than just an arm to play 3rd.

    They’ll trade Belt before the install Poesy at 3rd.

    Just sign Panda and be done with it.

    • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      agree on all that except the sign-Panda thing. He wants 6 years, there’s no way the Giants should or will give him 6 years…..

      • unca_chuck said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:58 pm

        It’s 6 now? Oh well. He’s going to beantown.

      • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:16 pm

        And agree…hell no on 6.

    • chipower9 said, on November 6, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      Agree.

  38. snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Why wouldn’t the Cubs sign Pablo to a big money deal, with the thought they use him for 3-4 years while healthy and still agile, then trade him off to an AL club for DH after they win their first WS? Panda would be a hit in Chitown, until / if he gets really big and starts getting hurt. Cubs have apparently got a pretty hot prospect for 3B in the minors, but he supposedly can play OF, too…

    • blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Snarkk, the Cubs are loaded with infield prospects (I think 2 or 3), whom are either on the big club now (e.g., Baez) or will likely be promoted next season. I believe all of them are excellent fielders that can play SS, 2nd, or 3rd. Couple that with Starlin Castro at SS, they will not likely be interested in infield help.

      • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:12 pm

        Pablo would be a hit there. He’d do well under Maddon. He’d hit more HRs, obviously. If I were the Cubs, I’d definitely consider him as very useful for a coupla three years or so — ya never know about “prospects”…

  39. snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Don’t forget the Doghairs. They may swoop in and offer Panda the moon, just to F with the Giants as well as get a good player, he’d be great for the big Hispanic fanbase…

    • blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Now that I can see . . . Especially, if HanRam doesn’t resign and agrees to move to 3rd.

      • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:35 pm

        I’ve read last week in a few articles that it’s not expected for LA to take HanRam again. Uribe I think has one year left, but he could be moved…

  40. blade3colorado said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    I would agree with you normally, but Baez and the guy that Oakland gave up for that pitcher with the “hard to spell name” have been labeled “can’t miss.” Think Posey or Trout when they came up from the minors. Supposedly, they are of that caliber. Epstein has an excellent plan in place, i.e., I think this is the year the Cubs challenge in their division.

  41. paulinasia said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Snarkk, your “use him for 3-4 years while healthy and still agile, then trade him off to an AL club for DH”, while talking about the Cubs, could apply to the Giants as well. If they really want him back, believing he still has a few productive years, but offering 5 or 6 years is the only way to get him, they *could* plan to trade him to an AL club IF he starts tanking later in the contract. But honestly, I can’t remember off the top of my head any player being traded from an NL team to an AL team that needed a DH. Free agents, sure (like Morse will likely do), but trade? Just don’t think that happens very often. AL teams seem to find their DH “from within”, by free agency, off the scrap heap, or fresh out of Japan….

    • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:24 pm

      Good points, Paul. Certainly with Panda’s weight and injury prospects, the AL teams have a better rationale to sign him for a LT deal, compared to the NL clubs. But, Cubs and Doghairs — they’re swimming in $, I don’t know if it matters much anymore to those big market clubs — the money angle, I mean, for the out years in a LT deal. It’s whether a guy can contribute to a winner up front in the deal, and if he puts butts in the seats, it’s even better. If he had to leave, I’d rather see him in Chicago…

      • Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        The three teams I’ve heard rumored to be interested are Boston, the White Sox and Miami, but yeah it’s early and others could join the party.

      • snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:31 pm

        I could be totally off base, probably am. But, I’m going to say somebody from nowhere, out of the blue, signs Panda. Not the RSox, not Detroit, not the WSox. A NL team. Not the Giants…

      • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:48 pm

        I can’t believe LA would do it just based off the number of times signing ex-Giants has burned them over the last 1o years or so…….

  42. Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    A letter from Larry Baer, am I the only who feels slimed when this guy says something? The comment section seems to be strongly pro to re-signing Pablo. I’m thinking Larry needs to get the PR department working some OT.

    • wilcojoe said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      I noticed he didn’t mention Pablo in his 2015 projections.

      • Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:17 pm

        Yeah joe, although it sure got mentioned in the comment section. Sign the Panda and/or Pay the Panda seemed to be running about every other remark.

  43. snarkk said, on November 6, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Yeah, Clown, it’s got a little sheen on it. But, after yet another off season of basking in my near future, even I’m having trouble finding fault with Baer on this one…

  44. willedav said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    Cespedes is not much of a LF, despite the great arm. For $10 mil you can probably get Morse and Blanco.

  45. Bozo said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    I heard Ron Wotus was being considered for the Rays manager. Man that would hurt, I don’t think we win without the positioning and shifts that went on during the Playoffs and regular season. I think he deserves a shot at managing but at the same time, I’d hate to see him go.

    • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:47 pm

      we can withstand the loss. More pressing guys to keep. And there has to be a reason this guy has interviewed for like 20 managerial jobs and has yet to score one……

      • Flavor said, on November 6, 2014 at 8:51 pm

        and by the way, I hope he stays. I like him, too. I just don’t think he has what it takes to manage.


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