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Moving On, Thankful For What We Have, Not What We Don’t Have

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 26, 2014

No more Panda thread. Need new things to talk about.

The prevailing scuttlebutt seems to be what will the Giants do with the 100 million they’re saving on Sandoval going to Boston. The problem is, Sabean doesn’t like to compete for coveted free agents. And those are the only ones I’d want him to go get. So on the eave of this great holiday, rather than lament the players I don’t think we’re going to acquire I’ll just stop and appreciate the ones we have and the unbelievable gift they gave to us in 2014.

I still can’t believe the Giants won the World Series this year…..

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  1. Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:02 am

    My sentiments exactly, Flav. Although, if half of what we have read is true via MLBTR, etc., the Giants are “casting a wide net.” I don’t think Sabes and crew will rest on their laurels this year. I expect them to be loaded for bear, and to bag one or two.

    Payroll past five years has been:

    96
    118
    131
    136
    149

    The team is flush with World Series coin, and I get the sense they are willing to spend in spades.

    WTF, why not shoot up to the threshold on the payroll penalty (189 mil, I believe) and become the YankMees of the West (fuck the Dodgers).

    Happy Thanksgiving to all you Flappers out there far and wide. What a wonderful community we have here. Thank you once again Craig for giving us this opportunity.

    Blessings to you and yours Flap Universe.

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:02 am

    Yep, Big Flavor.

    The Giants are world champs and it still sounds pretty good to me.

    Posey, Pagan, Pence, Panik, Belt and Crawford were also big contributors to this club and that’s not even mentioning the pitching staff. They’re still well positioned moving forward. Sabean will do like he always does. Patch it together and hope like hell.

    With Flannery’s departure I wonder if we see Decker move up to the big club this year? Is he still in the org?

  3. Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:10 am

    Dirt – not sure on Decker. He managed the Griz for a few years, but was replaced in 2012. Again…not sure if he is still in the org.

  4. willedav said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:21 am

    One of the last things mentioned in Loo link to mlbtr was that Giants are flush with cash from playoff run.
    This is the thing that fuels big FA spending–sure back end will suck but return on investment from the front end as in 3 in 5, more than mitigates in.

    And speaking of celebrating what we have, special thanks to Flav for maintaining composure and keeping blog real this season and all that have come before.
    Sometimes reading and following oneflapdown77 is most fun I have all day.
    Thx for all the good reads from everyone.
    This really was magical year and 3 in 5 goes in everyone else’s face….and will be mentioned to my newly wed godson from diego tomorrow at dinner, a lifelong Giants fan as kid who grew up here but turned his back on them and actually according to his mom pulled for Royals. 3 in 5 youngblood.

    • Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:52 am

      Make sure you bring something Orange and Black to give to the kid!!! ha ha

  5. Hargesheimer said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:44 am

    It’s time to bring back Melky. Even if he’s expensive, his chemistry contribution would be off the charts.

    • Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:53 am

      Just say NO to Melky. Unless I hear he has called all of his ex team mates to apologize, Fuck him and whatever he thinks he is entitled to!!

      • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:32 am

        .

  6. Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:57 am

    For the next 3+ months there will be plenty going on with the Giants. One good thing about losing Pablo is that there will be Giants news on what Sabes and Co. are doing. And for those of you who are in the Sacto area the Rivercats team store is now stocked with Giants gear.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:11 am

    To stay competitive the club needs arms. I don’t think that means Peavy and I saw somewhere that Vogelsong’s interest in returning is not being reciprocated. Unless someone from the farm is ready to contribute, which I don’t believe is the case, the Giants need another front line starter.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:38 am

      I don’t know that they need a Lester or Scherzer (and really do not want either if it is 6-7 years and 100-plus mil). I think someone like Ervin Santana would be a god fit, and bring back Peavy, too.

      I think the pitching has to be the priority now, with a LFer a close second.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:58 am

        That is pretty much what I am saying. I can see Peavy coming back but prefer that he doesn’t. I think he was viewed as filling Cain’s spot once he went down and they can find someone cheaper.

  8. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Speaking of ‘moving on from Pablo,’ on Hot Stove this morning they had a photo of Pablo and HanRam mugging around together in Boston yesterday. That’s fine. That kind of thing makes it much easier for Giants fans to move on from Pablo.
    And I guess I can’t blame those two guys for taking preseason victory laps, because once the season starts, they are going to be carrying the pressure of high expectations from the Red Sox fans. The Sox fans are going to be expecting playoffs in 2015, not just improvement from last place.

  9. salty said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Well, I was wrong. Giants have reportedly reached out to Melky. Still, I can’t see that two-step and hug fest happening.

    Sounds like Giants are eager to make a big splash. But it seems a dozen teams are ready to throw big money at the top end FA’s. Yasmani $90m? Insane. He wasn’t as good in Cuba as Abreu Cespedes or Puig.
    They do have Tim’s coming off the books, plus Scoots and Affeldt, so that’s about $40m in 2016, then Lopez Pagan in 17….
    And The pitching prospects didn’t look great last yr, so they probably need to add a top end guy. And preferably a lefty to balance the rotation.
    Cain was struggling before the chips got stuck, so his return to top form is still a/big ?.

    But Cubs Sox seem to have the inside track on Lester. Think Giants would have to go at least 7 years 25 per to win that war. That’s crazy $$ for a 31 yr old P with a lot of mileage.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:41 am

      No way I want to see the team go 6 or 7 years for that kind of coin. I still like Santana as a good choice, and bring Peavy back to boot. with that, you would still have the money to go after Tomas, etc.

    • Hargesheimer said, on November 26, 2014 at 12:51 pm

      They need what Melky brings to the ballpark, presuming he’s willing to share it this time.

  10. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Justin Upton is intriguing, but the Braves might ask for Susac to be included in a trade, and that’s a no-go, IMO. If the Braves wanted a bunch of the Giants’ top minor leaguers, that would be fine, because our top minor leaguers ain’t all that “top” right now, other than Okert, IMO. I say hang onto Susac and Okert.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:22 am

      But if I’m the Braves GM Hart, I’m asking for Susac and Okert to be included in a trade.

      A trade for Upton only gets one season of him, though, and then he’s a free agent again.

    • Lurker John said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:26 am

      Please, not Upton. He’s an erratic headcase, someone I don’t believe fits in with the atmosphere in the Giants club house. He also strikes out like crazy. I’d rather have Melky back.

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:30 am

        I hear ya, but Upton is a legit 25-30 HR, righthand power, and solid RBI guy, so he would be tempting with the right trade package. He might just be a one-and-done guy, though.

      • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:44 am

        I agree with the big NO on Upton. The Giants have proven many times they don’t need a 25-30 HR guy. Seriously, with all the potential FA OFers, Melky is near the top of my list. He had great numbers last year, and would be a great fit in LF.

    • salty said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:36 am

      Agree I like Okert to replace Affeldt.

  11. Lurker John said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:24 am

    How do you guys feel about the chances of one of the farm hands making it next year, like Kyle Crick? The team picks up someone like Lester (unfortunately I don’t think they’ll get him) and Crick takes the big step and you’re looking at a pretty damn good 4 man rotation. I say 4 because I think Cain is going to be his old self. He did not suffer any structural damage and having his elbow cleaned out can only be a good thing moving forward.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:08 am

      I don’t see any of them making the team, but only brought up if injuries happen. Hopefully not Kickham first up, though. Yuck.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:45 am

      I don’t think Crick or any of the other starters in the minors make the cut next year our of ST.

  12. Bozo said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Thank you, Big Flavor.

    Cheers to all.
    Go Giants

  13. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Thankful for what we have, definitely. 3 in 5. So amazing, the reality of it is still sinking in. A wonderful thing.

  14. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:02 am

    too bad San Dawg’s *puppy* swapped that ball he caught:
    http://tinyurl.com/n65tdo2

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:11 am

      He did the right thing. How can anyone put a price on getting to meet the ballplayer and hand him the ball? That’s worth a lot.

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:12 am

        Plus get an autographed bat, and a photo to be treasured forever.

  15. eddacker said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Yep, Big Flavor.

    The Giants are world champs and it still sounds pretty good to me.

    In fact, I am just now starting to come out of the shock I have been in since Pablo caught that foul ball with Madison Bumgarner pitching in relief during the 9th inning of the 7th game with the tying run on third.

    It has taken me this long to process and re-process the amazing baseball I have been around since 2009.
    Do I have something to be thankful for? Many, many things great and small with a side helping of basking from the sport I admire.

    Thank you, Big Flavor, Flappers everywhere, black and orange.

    Cheers to all.
    Go Giants

  16. eddacker said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Losing Pablo was no where near the heartache of this:

    by Flavor on June 17, 2012:
    I’ll make this short and sweet. Today is my last post.

  17. Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Kevin – this in response to your 8:53…

    Where in the fuck are you getting this “and what he thinks he is entitled to?” Do you not believe in second chances? I do as long as it doesn’t entail murder, rape, or child abuse.

    Regardles of what happened in the past, you cannot deny the guy is one of the top free agent OFers available this year. The guy could help this team WIN.

    I heard Larry Krueger talking, and he said that a majority of the Giants, even after the shenanigans Melky pulled, still like the guy.

    I say if he will come in and publicly apologize to the team and fans, then giddy the fuck up and sign the man.

    And a bonus is we get the Melk Maids back!

    • DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 12:13 pm

      Chi: My guess is Kevin was doing Nicholson from “A Few Good Men”…

    • Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Well, the last article I read when he left the team was that he cleaned out his locker and left. not one word said to his team mates. If you can show me an article where he actually apologized to his team mates for his fuck up then yeah bring him back. If he did come back and had not apologized or gave some sort of an explaination, I as a player would certainly call out to do so first time in the club house.

      • DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:39 pm

        I guess he wasn’t…

  18. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Hittin a giants dugout store today for the first time since we won this year.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 26, 2014 at 11:55 am

      Get your swag on, brother!

  19. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    The last few years have been tough ones for the Melk Maids. They are ready for a comeback:
    http://tinyurl.com/ko5uh5y

  20. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    I think everyone is forgetting just how badly Melky slinked out of town the last time he was here. The players made it clear that he never addressed them face to face or even sent any of them so much as a text message. Melky is universally reviled in the SF clubhouse and by management.
    No way he’d ever return, even if he offered to play for free.

    • Hargesheimer said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      Except that he truly belongs in SF.

  21. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    ah, I see Kevin already addressed this up above….

  22. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    this is all you need to know about what Giants players think about the Melk-weazel
    http://fansided.com/2013/05/13/giants-buster-posey-has-no-love-lost-for-blue-jays-melky-cabrera/

    • Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      Glad to see Posey would be the one to call him out to get an explaination if he did come back to the Giants.

  23. Irish Kevin said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Ever since B Bonds, who thought he was above the team, I have hated players that think they are above the team. Melky pretty much blew the team off. And that to me is unforgiveable. Oh and he is no Barry Bonds for those that like his stats.

  24. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Tomas to the D-Backs. Meh, I’d rather the Giants sign Moncada who is much younger and there is more of a consensus that he’s going to be a star. If he’s that good he could be in SF soon.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:21 pm

      I’m disappointed. The D-Backs got him for 6 years/$68.5 million. That’s chump-change in today’s baseball. The Giants must have seen some things they didn’t like when they scouted him. But, sheesh, we all know the Giants are HORRIBLE at evaluating young outfield talent. So who knows how good he is?

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:29 pm

        I don’t think anyone can have a read on these guys coming out of Cuba and in all likelihood the ones worth the money are already here. I don’t have an issue with them not throwing that kind of money away. They could buy up Belt’s arbitration years and maybe plus a couple FA years with that dough.

      • Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:40 pm

        agreed.

  25. gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    First of all Happy Pre-Thanksgivong Flappers. Should be another solid Warriors game tonight. Need to get David Lee a few minutes.

    Flav is totally right on Melky and as I said yesterday Posey would shiv the bastard. What we need while Panda is no more and Morse not likely our first choice is a right-handed slugger. Tomas is the guy I think they go all in for ahead of Sherzer or Lester. I don’t why I care so much about throwing big money at players. It is not my money but I think baseball history over the last 15 years shows big deals do not equate to championships.

    I think we have a lot of wasted money still on the books and I think a team that is savvy with its contracts gives them more flexibility to get what they need later. I think Tomas getting $90 mill is ridiculous and I much prefer Nelson Cruz at 3 years and $60 mill. And then Ervin Santana at 3 years $40 mill. Payroll then is around $170 mill with bad contracts coming off the books after next season. Have we given up on Timmy as the 5th starter? Vogelsong can get a 2 year deal with some AL club so see ya Voggy thanks for being a big piece in 2012 in that World Series run and for the big games in 2014 playoffs.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      Tomas signed with the D-Backs today, for 6 years/68.5.

      It will be interesting to see what the Giants will do, having said that they will use the $95 million they offered Panda.

      • gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:44 pm

        Funny I just went to mlb trade rumors and there was no updates on Tomas after I posted…Nelson Cruz is still my first choice. $68.5 mill is a whole lot less than $90 mill…

    • gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:41 pm

      And a second team that is already ready to move on from an MVP type of player in Justin Upton should be a sign to stay away…

    • Hargesheimer said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      Cruz’s defence is almost Morse-quality.

  26. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    I harken back to what BF said the other day: if the Giants are going to get in on the “Cuban wave,” they can’t do it by nickel and diming. So it just makes me wonder how serious they are when they say they are “in” on checking out the Cuban market. Maybe they’re just not that serious about it.
    Or maybe they surprise us by signing Moncada, the guy Dirt is suggesting.

  27. Bozo said, on November 26, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    What a sad story about Wendell Kim. I almost wished I hadn’t read this. Damn.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/nq6pyky

    • xoot said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      Damn indeed. Still, that story’s long because Wendell Kim has lived a helluva life. But damn.

    • snarkk said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      I’ll add a damn.
      My mother had fairly severe dementia in her last years. Not Alzheimers, but it wasn’t good. When your own mother doesn’t know who the hell you are, it sucks…

  28. gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    I had the same thought as Dirt that Steve Decker may be the guy for new 3B coach. I thought he was being groomed ti be Boch’s eventual replacement and then he asked to leave his duties at Fresno to spend more time with family. I believe he had teenage kids. Maybe they are college bound now and he steps into that 3B role. He should have deep relationships with all the younger talent the Giants have in the system.

    • gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      Of course the Tomas deal makes Cody Ross expendable….karma?

  29. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    If Tomas turns out to be good, a silver lining for the Giants would be that the D-Backs could be more competitive against the Dodgers in the future. In ’14, the Dodgers just pounded the D-Backs all season. There was that one freak game where the D-Backs beat Kershaw pretty handily, but that was the freakiest of freak games. It just seemed like the Dodgers pounded the D-Backs, Rockies, and Padres all season, propelling the Dodgers to winning the division. A little more balance in the division actually helps the Giants’ chances to win the division, IMO.

    • Hargesheimer said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      Of course, it could just mean that the Dbags beat up on SF.

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        Maybe. But it’s hard to win the division if the Dodgers are going 15-3 against the D-Backs, or whatever they did last season.

  30. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 26, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    zum,

    Here’s a scouting report on Tomas.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-yasmany-tomas/

    My guess is Sabean doesn’t like his projected ability, or lack thereof, to put the ball in play.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      Thanks. Sounds like he’s not as upper-tier as some media pundits have said.

      • Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        well, a bunch of pundit-types didn’t think Abreu was going to do shit and look how that turned out.
        I’m all for firing away on the Cuban player pool until it’s proven that it’s dried up. So far, we haven’t seen that. I would have done the deal that the D-Backs did in a nano-second.

      • DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        Old goats like me might remember similar things being said about Tony Oliva…

  31. gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Ok reading about this Moncada…maybe he is the long-term potential solution for 3rd.

  32. Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 7m7 minutes ago
    Rough week for the Giants. First Panda goes to Boston. Next: Source said the Giants were runners-up for Yasmany Tomas, who’s off to Arizona.

    all this dicking around with $$$ is starting to irritate me. Just throw 10 mil more at these guys. You fucking have it. Spend it….

    • gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      That is my attitude with Nelson Cruz…what do you think? He is the one guy I would overpay to get a limit on his years…

      • Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:26 pm

        He’s an AL hitter that would transfer poorly to the NL at this point in his career, I don’t want him at the price you’d have to pay. Same with Hunter.

  33. DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    While Bummie and his cow sit in the welfare office…

    • gianthead said, on November 26, 2014 at 5:42 pm

      The Undertaker will get his payday. The man lives the simple life and it is not very expensive in North Carolina…

  34. DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    I’m working on a idea for a new party game. It has to do with snot rockets and a Twister mat.
    Might be fun at a Flapalooza…

    • Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:25 pm

      you’re on to something BIG

  35. paulinasia said, on November 26, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Well, it’s Thanksgiving morning here in Asia, so I just want to give a shout out to Flap Universe and wish you all a memorable holiday. I don’t miss all that much living over here (clean air off the Pacific, clothes dryers, and driving my ol’ Jeep around the deserts of Death Valley, Joshua Tree, etc. would be just a few of the things I miss), but this festive period between Thanksgiving and Jan. 1 new year is the best of times spent with family and friends. Hope it’s a good one for all you Flappers everywhere. Now, where to find some turkey……

    • DJLoo said, on November 26, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      Same to you, Paul and all you guys.
      Turkey blows. I douse it in ketchup.

    • Flavor said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:24 pm

      happy thanksgiving, Paul

      • paulinasia said, on November 26, 2014 at 8:35 pm

        Thanks, Craig, also to you and yours…

  36. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Are Dodger fans feeling happier yet? Here’s some Dodger fans wondering what it would be like to have Kirk Gibson as manager, and what Gibson would think of the bubble machine:

    I rather they played (dodgers) with his single mindedness about winning instead of worrying about dancing to bubbles and what not. but whatever.

    by meercatjohn on Nov 26, 2014 | 3:22 PM up reply

    I think you know you can count me in.

    by Franklin Brock on Nov 26, 2014 | 3:23 PM up reply

    any manager who allows a bubble machine in the clubhouse to celebrate home runs should have been fired. If this had not been the Dodger clubhouse the mocking here of the team who was doing it would have been endless. Last I looked these guys were not playing in little league. Maybe next year they can install a slippy slide so whoever does their job and hits a home run can slide from one end of the dugout right into the clubhouse as they get high fived from the dugout seats by their teammates. WOOT WOOT party time

    by meercatjohn on Nov 26, 2014 | 3:28 PM up reply

    I am trying to picture a dugout led by Walter Alston with a bubble machine in it.

    by Franklin Brock on Nov 26, 2014 | 3:32 PM up reply

    It might happen once. Then he’d beat the shit out of a couple guys and miraculously, the machine vanishes.

    by EMDarrow on Nov 26, 2014 | 5:03 PM up reply

    • Hargesheimer said, on November 27, 2014 at 6:25 am

      After all, Gibson was such a great success as the Dbags’ manager.

  37. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    You know, I tend to think of the game the Giants lost to the Dodgers 17-0 as the low point of the ’14 season, but that’s overstating things. It’s easy to forget that the previous night’s game was a Bumgarner start which the Giants won 9-0. The 9-0 Bumgarner game was far more a foreshadowing of what was to come later in the season than the 17-0 game.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm

      great point

  38. zumiee said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    “While Bummie and his cow sit in the welfare office…”

    Actually, according to Sports Illustrated, MadBum and his wife own 50 cattle and 20 horses. Just sayin’…. 🙂

  39. pawliekokonuts said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Right. How is it possible, or even faintly factual that: a. the Giants trounced the Pirates on the play-in game b. Rolled by the Nats, highlighted by that 18-inning affair c. overcame the Cardinals on an Ishikawa homer d. won a seventh game of the World Series for the first time in their history e. ARE WORLD CHAMPS, AGAIN????????

    Happy Day of Gratitude, girls!

  40. pawliekokonuts said, on November 26, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    My day: http://thelaughorist.blogspot.com/2014/11/what-i-saw-today.html

  41. snarkk said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Not surprised the Giants missed on the Cuban dude. They talk a good game, but don’t pull the trigger on spending long term for hitters that are risky. Seems like they have no problem throwing cash at starters that could blow up, but hitters, that’s a problem for them. I’m with BF, 6 years for $68M and they can’t beat that? They probably just earned 2/3 of that contract in the last 6 weeks of the season and the post-season…

    • paulinasia said, on November 26, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      Maybe they were just a little late to the party. It didn’t appear that trying to resolve the Pablo case first was going to hurt, but it might have. I feel like we’ve been reading about Tomas for awhile now but only recently did “news” seem to indicate the Giants were in. Oh well, still plenty of time for others…

  42. twinfan1 said, on November 26, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving, guys…
    Nothing like Thanksgiving at Grandma’s. Mine lived in Connellsville, Pa. She wasn’t much of a cook, but when it’s a Grandma it doesn’t matter much. She did make good pies and a bonus for us kids was the movie theater just a half block down the street. There always a double bill and one was always a horror flick. We’d watch the films while Grandma Scott overcooked the turkey and the adults played cards and gossiped about whoever left the room for a bathroom break. Uncle John had a butcher shop and picked out the turkey- which looked a hell of lot better before it was cooked. Soon leftovers were packed and I had no intention of eating them- ever. The pies had been devoured before we left. Like I said, it was all good when we were sitting at the table, but dreadful anywhere else. Those were good times. Sorry, Grandma, but you knew you were a bad cook- and tomorrow you don’t have to worry about it- no way He’ll let you near the kitchen. You can watch the horror movie while Julia makes dinner..

  43. snarkk said, on November 26, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    My mother wasn’t the greatest cook, either. Her favorite, pork chops, could be done nicely in the old electric pan cooker, or basically turned into briquets as she talked with somebody on the phone way past “well done”.
    Mrs. snarkk gave her a little magnet sign to put over the stove: “Dinner’s Ready When the Smoke Alarm Goes Off”. Mom got a chuckle out of it, had no problem with a joke on the truth from the daughter in-law, who she loved, BTW. She put it up, and it stayed there for years…

  44. Flavor said, on November 27, 2014 at 6:17 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to Flappers far and wide, standing side by side, arms held high, that’s right we won 3 in 5!!!!!!!!!

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 27, 2014 at 7:25 am

      As is suspected was never coming back. That’s cool. I can dig it. Boston lost 91 games last year and still doesn’t have any pitching.

  45. willedav said, on November 27, 2014 at 7:53 am

    B-ball post disclaimer: I’ve watched SD St last few nights, and though they lost to U of A last night, those 2 and Gonzaga are likely best teams this side of Oklahoma. BYU looked really good too. Other locals are gonna struggle to be middle of pack–Cards, Cal, USF, St. Mary’s.

    Golden State is NBA champs of November. Curry with 40 the night before and 8 3s and 25 in 3 quarters of blowout W last night, is just most fun guy to watch in entire league. He and Klay T continue to improve. They are so much better coached and deeper with healthy Bogut.

    I’m reading something quite enjoyable about history of Sac Kings (having fine year themselves so far), “Vagrant Kings” written by R. E. Lasewich who used to write for the Bee. Goes all the way back to their inception in Rochester NY and birth of NBA…really does seem to be haunted franchise, with clueless owners, bad hires as coaches/GMs, bad luck with players (M. Stokes, R. Berry, etc) and many curious revelations about David Stern Kevin Johnson and businessmen involved with stadiums/arenas.

    • Flavor said, on November 27, 2014 at 8:29 am

      Curry has done something I never thought possible: he’s made me like watching NBA games again. The way he flicks those 3 pointers in like it’s nuthin’ is simply incredible. I’ve never seen anyone shoot a 3 quite like Steph.

      • snarkk said, on November 27, 2014 at 11:33 am

        I’m with you, the guy gets off his shot super quick like Marino used to get off his passes. He only needs a little opening and poof — the ball is on its way to the bucket. He also does some passes and drop offs that remind a little, a little, of Pete Maravich. If you look at some of the grainy stuff on youtube re: Pistol Pete, it will amaze you. The guy was absolutely a genius with the basketball, he did stuff that was Globetrotteresque — only while playing real ball versus real competition. I think he averaged 44 points / game at LSU in the days of no three pointer. Willied can probably speak better to that. I’m not much of a basketball fan, but I do remember Pete at the time in college was a sensation to the point of almost being circus like. But, he was a real player. Defense, I dunno, but who cares about that with his ball skills…

  46. pawliekokonuts said, on November 27, 2014 at 8:17 am

    Could make a movie out of Twin’s post last night. Great scene.

  47. pawliekokonuts said, on November 27, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Glad Gratitude Day, girls. It is my belief, and practice, that gratitude covers a multitude of sins, so to speak. Indulge.

  48. sportdude said, on November 27, 2014 at 9:39 am

    I’m thankful for 3 in 5 and the Flappers!
    Re Tomas…looks cheap to me..Re Panda, Glad he was here, ok he left. Never reached his potential. Bad long term investment. “Cruz doesn’t translate”? Morse with a LOT more power, and a LOT more cosistency.
    Just for fun…
    Dodgers will eat cash, and they need to open spots in the OF. We need a left fielder and a leadoff hitter. How a bout a sack of potatoes for Crawford?
    3 years left for $60 Mil. Would Dodgers eat 1/2 of that? Lets ask. If so 33 years old
    .300 8 hrs 46 rbi’s 23 SB’s. MILES better than what we have now..What else could SF get for 30-40 mil (assuming dodgers eat 20-30 mil). That leaves money for lester!

    • snarkk said, on November 27, 2014 at 11:32 am

      Dodgers won’t deal with Giants, and vice versa…

    • willedav said, on November 27, 2014 at 11:42 am

      And why would LA be so eager to unload Crawford (for what again?), pay his salary and help the Giants out?

      First, because they are sure they have better players they’d rather play like Peterson and VanSlyke.
      Second, because they know this guy cannot stay healthy, is aging fast as all speed guys do and has zero arm.
      Third, paying this guy anything is not helping the Giants improve at all. Morse is a better hitter by far, and Blanco a much better OF, as is Perez.

      Bottom line getting rid of this guy to Giants improves them, not SF.

      • Nipper said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:37 pm

        BLEEP LA

  49. twinfan1 said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    For what he brings to the table, I can’t see getting Headley for just 4 million per year less than Pablo. More and more I’m liking the Crawford to 3rd and Adrianza to SS idea. And I suppose I can live with Duffy competing for the SS job. Then go for Ervin Santana ( I know that we forfeit a pick) or McCarthy. And take a good look at Heston and Blach in the desert to replace Timmy if he doesn’t show well early. I still like Hunter for LF( 2 year deal)- his defense will be fine in LF and I see no signs that he wouldn’t give them a solid offensive year. Blanco would be available to spell both Torii and Pagan, both of who would benefit from 20-25 games off. So now we’re at about 25-28 mill. Keep Romo-3 years at 7 per. Now we’re at 35. I’m cool with leaving it at that. Since they seem willing to up the budget, maybe another reliever if Okert starts In Sacramento. Andrew Miller will probably get 4 years, 8 per year-too much for a guy with only one real dominant year. How about Gregerson, solid every year, he makes it a 6 inning game with Romo or Luke handling the 7th and the other the 8th, That’s 42-44 million- solid pitcher additions, excellent defense, and a middle order of Posey, Pence, Belt, and Hunter- Pagan and Panik to jump start the offense and a good bench with Susac, Ehire or Duffy, Arias, Blanco, and Perez or Ishi,.

  50. sportdude said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Just a conversation cause I’m not fired up about it at all, but Crawford is a big upgrade over Blanco, and perez is useless as a mlb hitter, a few awesome post season hits aside.
    I agree re Morse and I would keep him, as i posted many times thru the year when others were bashing him.
    So far I read that the flappers don’t like Morse, don’t like Cruz, don’t like Crawford, and would love another year of Blanco and Perez. Not a good thought on Thanksgiving:)

    • twinfan1 said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      Blanco is worth more than Morse if you like baseball players more than plumbers.

  51. Nipper said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Despite the homers, Morse is crap. He should be in the AL. DH baby!

  52. sportdude said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Not bad ideas Michael, but posts that are coming are predictable:) re Torii…old, bad defense, doesn’t get on base enough..We need willie mays or Barry bonds..

    • twinfan1 said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      Torii has been poor defensively in CF and RF, he’d be fine in LF.

  53. sportdude said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Yes he slumped , but so did Posey and Panda. Morse numbers similar to Panda and Posey all told. Not perfect for sure but value per dollar he was likely the offensive MVP of the team last year!

    • twinfan1 said, on November 27, 2014 at 12:51 pm

      Morse would not be signed as the regular LFer and they won’t pay him 10-12 to platoon. He’s gone, IMO.

  54. sportdude said, on November 27, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    No worries if Morse leaves. If we stick with the pitching and defense model then we better get some more pitching! Our offense was bad with Panda, so hopefully we will upgrade somewhere..

  55. salty said, on November 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    There’s no doubt they will try to upgrade. Whether they get a Garko or a Pence remains to be seen.

    People seem to forget they won two titles largely because of deals they made in July. Even in 2014, they got a key in Peavy and the additions of Panik Susac Ishi. No need to be all freaked out in Nov or April. Not worried. Still have 3 in 5. Reload for 16.

    Happy Thanksgiving! Kap the Hawks!

  56. Macdog said, on November 27, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! And here’s hoping someone other than Matt Cain carved the turkey.


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