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Jon Lester is Back in Town

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 1, 2014

…but this time he’s on our side of the bay.

He’s here to meet with Brian Sabean. There are confirmed reports that Sabes will have multiple barf bags at the ready when Lester tells him how much $$$ he wants.

The Cubs have already offered this dude 135 million so I’m not sure what the point of this meeting is.

Maybe Lester is just in the mood for some sick clam chowder? How do they get it to not soak through the sourdough bread bowl? It’s Wicca or magic or something……

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  1. Nipper said, on December 1, 2014 at 6:46 am

    Forget Lester. Where’s Wille?

  2. eddacker said, on December 1, 2014 at 6:54 am

    They HAVE sourdough bread bowls? cool!

  3. Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 6m6 minutes ago
    according to @ElCaribeRD nelson cruz going to mariners 57M, 4 yrs.

    this dude was never going anywhere but the AL

  4. willedav said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:05 am

    No reason not to talk to Lester. Guy is damned good SP. Beane got a lot of heat for renting him and dumping Cespedes but without Lester no way they even get in. Yes he lost lead in playoff game before pen melted down…so did Kershaw.
    I feel same way about Peavy—guy helped SF quite a lot to get to playoffs with ERA of 2.17 FIP of 3.03 and was much better here than in Boston. Ran out of gas maybe, but I think he can still help SF quite a bit.

    While LA will look differently in terms of LU/position players, esp if they unload a disgruntled OF or 3, their frontline SPs are still very good with Opie Greinke Ryu and Haren wasn’t awful either. I still think solidifying rotation along with keeping late inning pen together would be first priority for Giants going forward.

    I’ll second Zum’s post from yesterday afternoon too—it was nice to watch well designed and efficiently run pass offenses that utilized running backs and tight ends (and scored TDs in red zone) in NE-GB game.

  5. gianthead said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:28 am

    I think it was Chuck who said last week to stop fucking around about the money. Well obviously no one in management is listening to me. I speculated in early November that if the Giants paid a little above market price for Cruz at $20 mill a year for 3 years, we could probably land him. Now he signs for 4 years and $57 mill, I certainly think my deal would have bagged him. So no Panda, no Tomas and no Cruz. 3 years for Cruz at $60 would have been a great dela for a middle of the order slugger..what the fuck???

    Don’t give me no frickin Chase Headley for 4 years and $60 mill and they would be out of their mind to give Lester $130 mill over 6-7 years.

  6. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:56 am

    If Sabean isn’t going to make any moves to discuss can we at least get a new BBOTD?

    • Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 9:01 am

      yeah. I need to get on that.

  7. zumiee said, on December 1, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Yeah, I don’t get this meeting with Lester either. It’s extremely doubtful the Giants would sign him at these prices, so what’s the point?

    The A’s fans are to be pitied. I read an article that talked about the double-whammy A’s fans experience. They don’t get to the World Series anymore AND their favorite players get traded all the time. If they’re not getting to the Series, at least try to build some fan loyalty to favorite players, but the A’s don’t even do that.

    • Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 9:49 am

      apparently, Donaldson tweeted out something last week about the A’s ownership being “cheap.” I looked for that tweet today and its been deleted.
      I can’t believe he would have gotten traded for that but nothing else explains that move……

      • unca_chuck said, on December 1, 2014 at 11:46 am

        I didn’t get cespedes as well. I mean sure, he’s an FA soon, but so was Lester. One step too many? Maybe he was a coaching nightmare but npw both are gone + Donaldson. Weird to say the least.

  8. ewisco said, on December 1, 2014 at 9:48 am

    regarding the Morse comments from the last thread i’d like to add that one of his attractions coming over was his off-field power. we saw some of that early in the season but it seemed to fall off altogether later in the season. and obviously it’s not something that is great at ATT but I was hoping, especially in the playoffs with the stadiums in WA, StL and KC that he might get one out the other way. didn’t happen though I think I remember one or two hard hit balls the other way. I’m fine with him coming back for two years.

  9. James said, on December 1, 2014 at 9:49 am

    The only thing to commend Lester and a crazy long contract is the fact that he’s way better right now than Zito was when SF signed Barry.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 1, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Sabean signing Lester and then trading the club’s top level pitching prospects for Freese or someone similar wouldn’t surprise me at all. It’s all very Sabesy.

    I don’t even know what to think about Beane in Oakland. With all the moves for pitching last year it seemed like he was following Sabean’s model a little bit. Instead he’s just wheeling and dealing again like he’s at the West Wind swap meet which I guess now that I think about it, he is. That place is open every day right?

    It has got to be rough being an A’s fan but it is fascinating to watch from the outside.

    • Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 10:40 am

      my diehard A’s fan buddy is at a loss for words on this one. All he could really come up with was “well, you can’t judge a Beane trade for a couple of years after it happens.”
      Even if that’s true, as Dirt just said, it must suck to be an A’s fan

    • giants54 said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:48 pm

      3 in 5 Sabesy all right by me.

  11. Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 11:07 am

    after all those games spent there, this was a bummer to read/look at
    http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/12/01/drone_photos_reveal_a_ghostly_candlestick_torn_up_and_awaiting_demolition.php

    • DJLoo said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    • gianthead said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      Hey it looks like the upper deck at Oakland…LOL!

  12. Chipower9 said, on December 1, 2014 at 11:56 am

    As I said last week, no way in hell I want Lester for six at 120-130. Fuck that. Go get Santana and bring back Peavy to shore–up the staff. And bring back Melky…he is the BEST option out there and won’t cost a ton. They should also resign Romo.

    • DJLoo said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:14 pm

      I’m with you, Chi although not so much with Peavy.
      Has Kickham made any progress anywhere?

      • Chipower9 said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:49 pm

        Yeah, I am not crazy about Peavy, but would take him at the right price for a year…two max. I haven’t seen anything where Kickham has made any progres…I don’t see him being in the equation for the rotaiton on opening day.

    • Irish Kevin said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      Sign Peavy only for very little. Like someone posted about, He helped get the Giants to the WS but didn’t do shit to help win it. He is a Barry Zito. IMO. And then the whole Melky thing, that any happening. No way, no how. that is a pipe dream you are having Chi.

      • Chipower9 said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:48 pm

        Kevin – I didn’t say the will sign Melky…I said they SHOULD. And there has been talk that the team is kicking those tires, so it isn’t as far fetched as you may think.

        Anyone heard anything about the 19 year old Cuban kid (3rd baseman) Yoan Moncado?

        Another guy worth a look for 3rd base would be Plouffe of the Twinkies. He is AE and they have a kid moving up their system fast. He made 2.3 mil last year, so he would not cost a ton. Not a great avg/OBP guy, but has some pop.

      • zumiee said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm

        Moncado reportedly has a lot of talent; but is very young, 19, I think, and still has some immigration red-tape to get through. Also, any team that signs him has to pay a draft penalty for some reason. I don’t remember the reason.
        He’s seen as the best Cuban prospect still available.

      • Chipower9 said, on December 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm

        All true on Moncado Zume…but worth kicking the tires, IMO.

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 2, 2014 at 5:41 am

      Melky brings intangibles, such as his willingness to be the fall guy.

  13. pawliekokonuts said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    I just can’t see going all Zito for a pitcher, any pitcher. And wasn’t Lester not so hot in the postseason? I don’t know. Sabean will definitely wait to see who gets nontendered.

    • Nipper said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      I concur.

  14. zumiee said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Are the Tomas and Lester things just so Sabean can sign Morse, Peavey, and Vogie, and then say: “Hey, I tried for the bigger fish, but it didn’t work out”? I guess that placates the casual fans, and the bandwagon-jumper-onners, and the panda-hat people. But the hardcore fans don’t need the charade. The Giants have the money if they want to get any of those bigger fish, but obviously they don’t want to risk it. Fine. But don’t give us the song and dance.

    • zumiee said, on December 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      That wasn’t directed at Loo; he gave us a cool song. 🙂

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      The Giants staked out a threshold in those negotiations and weren’t willing to go above it. I suppose I would count as a hardcore fan and I am disappointed but also fine with it. I am glad to see they aren’t taking on more and more future dollars that will weight the club down.

  15. giants54 said, on December 1, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Bisbee at McCovey Chronicles has a good take. I’m in on Lester. Money is absurd but thats baseball.
    I like getting another top lefty starter. And they can afford it. Blew millions on Zito Lincecum and they still rolled. Go for it. A nice counter punch to Red Sox nation.

  16. snarkk said, on December 1, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    I’m usually down with spending the giants mony, but this Lester lunch today must be just for show. Paying 135 plus over 6 years for a 31 YOld dude with 2000+ innings on that wing is ludicrous — so let the Cubs do that and enjoy the inevitable arm injury out for the season deal in year 1 or years 3-6 or whenever. Pay Peavy for 2 years and move on to the next open spot to fill…

    • Irish Kevin said, on December 1, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      Now that sounds good.

    • James said, on December 1, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      Of course, he has about 300 fewer IPs than Glavine did at that age . . .

  17. giants54 said, on December 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    I disagree this is just a song and dance. Giants don’t meet unless they are ready to step up to the plate. And they have proven they will spend. Still doubt Lester chooses SF, but think the effort is more than just show.

  18. stickman said, on December 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Mets have four fair to pretty decent young starters, so Colon, Gee and Niese are being trotted out in the tradewinds. Colon is declining into his 40’s now. Gee projects again as an adequate #4. Jon Niese is a bit intriguing though, with his most recent ERA hanging in the middle 3.00’s he could make for an adequate #3 and an excellent #4 starter. SF’s need is for a #3, but MLBTR’s report on this indicates that the NYM’s may be in a definite selling mode and probably are looking at position prospects/possibilities, though a reliever throw-in might factor as well.

    Niese would be relatively low-hanging fruit. If Lester and Scherzer are priced waaay too high for too long, could be Sabean would pick Niese off the branches come the Winter Meetings ~ at an affordable cost, most likely.

    • DJLoo said, on December 1, 2014 at 5:45 pm

      Niese is their only lefty starter, Stick. I don’t think he’s the guy they’re looking to deal.
      And what do we have to offer?

  19. paulinasia said, on December 1, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    From what I remember last off-season, Giants were looking for an OFer and there were at least a few high-end OF free agents (Ellsbury, Choo, others), and Sabean waited, waited, waited, and eventually came up with Morse, which was fairly brilliant considering his price (so much lower than the others) and the immediate positive effect he had on the club. Sabes is good at that. This off-season, he’ll likely do that again for a couple of holes that need to be filled (LF, 3rd), but I wouldn’t be surprised if this Lester thing is not just for show. 1, Sabes knows the team wins with good pitching; 2, it’s possible he’s going for a two-fer on this one, considering all the chatter about a Lester/Peavy duo deal; and 3, there’s all that “Panda-money-om” sitting in his wallet that might be feeling like a gift waiting to be spent. I’ve done that; some big expense I thought I’d have to incur suddenly isn’t necessary anymore, so instead of banking the cash, I go spend it on something else. With Huddy lobbying Lester, and Peavy possibly saying good things, it could just happen. The amount of money seems ludicrous, but that’s just because …. it is….

  20. Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Here’s something I’m hoping has evolved into fact: players, whether they are hitters or pitchers, want to come play for the Giants. Winning 3 WS in 5 years has to shake up players around the league and get them to appreciate priorities and success on the field.
    Maybe I’m off on this but I think we are going to start seeing FA’s choose to play here, even hitters. Winning it all has to count for something with the guys, right?

  21. unca_chuck said, on December 1, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Yeah, Flav you pulled that right off my keyboard. FAs, especial pitchers should look at this place as a godsend for putting up strong numbers. It has been noted before but no screaming hot weather and a hitters death knell would draw pitchers; you’d think.

    • Flavor said, on December 1, 2014 at 5:29 pm

      and besides all the winning, there’s the rad park, the fans, the media who doesn’t make a peep if you fuck up and a manager who everyone in the world should want to play for. Seriously, why would any player ever want to play anywhere else?

  22. paulinasia said, on December 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    Agree that free agents *should* be looking at coming to China Basin differently than they might have back in ’05 or so. Yeah, you’d think that all this winning of championships might be an incentive, huh. Of course, if the team keeps *finishing 2nd* in all these FA discussions, that image could get tarnished a bit…. 🙂 I was way on the “no” side of Lester before but have kind of changed my mind on that. This rotation could go toe to toe with any other staff in the league:
    * MadBum
    * Cain
    * Lester
    * Hudson
    * Peavy (if he comes along with Lester)
    Timmy and Petit in the ‘pen for when (likely not just ‘if’) someone gets hurt, tired, whatever. Plus the usual stellar ‘pen.

    • paulinasia said, on December 1, 2014 at 7:54 pm

      Slight caveat: Huddy, in his final year, should be rested throughout the season. Maybe Peavy too, if they bring him back. Give the elders a rest now and then by giving Petit spot starts. I’m actually even in favor of giving Petit the 5th start slot instead of Peavy. Yeah, Petit, great “long man” in the ‘pen, but they might need him more as a starter. Watching Sabes design the rotation for 2015, plus fill 3rd base AND likely one more OFer, makes for an interesting off-season.

  23. DJLoo said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    No way Lester gets that kind of $ from SF. Sign Santana, and pray for the 2 Tims.
    Is Markakis available? That’s a guy I’d like to get…

    • paulinasia said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm

      Seems like he is, I agree.

  24. willedav said, on December 1, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    I think another factor in favor of coming to SF would be stellar IF defense, plus solid vet playoff and WS tested pen guys to back you up.

    Interesting factor in a lot of mlbtr stuff hinges on guys that are approaching FA status in another year. If you deal for them, can you get an agreement to sign them long term or at least for a couple years? As GH mentioned, Cespedes falls into this category. Maybe if he is having a good year you can make him an offer he can’t refuse.

    I can see praying for 1 Tim, but for 2 of them to have good seasons seems beyond powers of All Enlightened One or Dave Righetti. Cueto and Greinke will be FAs this time next year—what will these guys command? I’d rather have Lester than either Scherzer or Shields…and I didn’t advocate signing the guy, just talking to him, to get a feel for what he’s looking for or might settle for coming to SF.
    As others have mentioned, Giants have the money and even on long deal it’s the front end that matters most. Get into another post season run and the bean counters go ape shit counting up more playoff game revenue.

  25. snarkk said, on December 1, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    So, why is Morse not coming back, apparently?…

    • James said, on December 1, 2014 at 11:04 pm

      He’s an injury prone, soon to be 33 year old who is viewed as one-dimensional, and who everyone presumes will get a fairly hefty 2-year deal from an AL club. The prospect of such a deal highlights his liabilities, both real and perceived. If no one else actually offers him that big deal, and the Giants spend a whole lot of money on pitching and/or 3B, it seems like there’s a slim chance he’d be back.

  26. Hargesheimer said, on December 2, 2014 at 5:37 am

    Still no Melk delivery?

    • Nipper said, on December 2, 2014 at 6:30 am

      Got milk?

      • Hargesheimer said, on December 2, 2014 at 2:42 pm

        He should be Sabes’s highest priority.


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