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Party Time In San Diego

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 5, 2014

The Baseball Winter Meetings are approaching and I can’t imagine a more underwhelming event for Giants fans. Sabean doesn’t do his work at the Winter Meetings. And with San Diego falling out of the top 10 in “Cities with the Best Strip Clubs” it could make for a glum week for our leader. It’s close enough to Mexico for him to make a party of it but I’m not expecting much.

Do you see the Giants doing anything at the Winter Meetings this year?

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  1. pawliekokonuts said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:10 am

    “Sabean Has Confab With SanDawg” — a headline we’d like to read.

  2. paulinasia said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Hah, Pawlie, that would be a GREAT Flap photo, SanDawg and Sabes sharing shots at a dive bar in Ocean Beach… Actually, yes, I do think this time they will do something at the winter meetings, only because it seems that a few key players that have been simmering on the hot stove are ready to boil over, and if Sabean wants one of them, he’ll have to grab ’em while he can. And if those simmering players get picked up by other teams during the meetings, so be it, still have complete faith in Sabean et al.

    Note to Chi from last thread: yeah, you and I generally have agreed on most things Giants, so it’s fine we have different takes on the Melky situation. I see your point about the guy statistically being among the best options for LF, but I don’t get the *second chance* thing… to do what? … The team doesn’t need to give him a 2nd chance, they can do fine without him, just as they did in 2012 when they didn’t activate him for the playoffs when he was eligible. I just don’t see the *intangibles* (always anathema to stat guys, but here it is) making sense, with the team finally being free of the Bonds steroids mess and riding high right now after 3 in 5 and absolutely not needing or wanting to re-open the can of worms that is the steroid discussion. There are other simpler solutions…

    • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:39 am

      San Dawg snapped a photo of Sabean leaving AT&T park a couple of years ago–so there is precedent for such an event.

    • Chipower9 said, on December 5, 2014 at 1:35 pm

      What are the other solutions that will bring an OFer, for a decent price, who has his stats? Why move forward? Because from what I have heard none of the players are all butt-hurt over the whole ordeal from 2012 (this from Larry Krueger of KNBR who says he queried multiple Giants about the topic recently). And I have seen nothing substantial written where any of the players had a beef (yeah, I am aware of Posey’s comments). With all that said, I say bring in the dude who can definitely help the club…I just see it being a non-issue and do not see there being much, if any negativity if Giants management decides to go that route.

  3. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:37 am

    That pic of Flap spawn at the World Series is awesome.

  4. willedav said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Sell low options for LF mentioned by the McC guy in column couple days ago was G Parra. He’s an excellent defender who suddenly stopped hitting last year with AZ and then Brewers. $6 mil, 27.
    He also mentions Dexter Fowler and Marlon Byrd. I’ve dissed Byrd but he continues to hit–$8 mil with option that vests on 460 PAs, so SF likely stuck with him until he’s 39. Fowler we’ve seen, runs well and plays pretty good CF too, just hasn’t seemed to live up to potential. Might like wide open spaces at ATT.

    Kinda hope Sabes gets the anti-Headley vibe from those who saw him deteriorate in SD last couple years. Let someone else overpay for this guy.

    Flav said this a few threads ago and I’m all in—Curry and Dubs have me watching and enjoying NBA again…at least when they are on.

  5. paulinasia said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Flap Spawn. Dirt, that is classic…… I see novels and movies, with sequels……

    • paulinasia said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:07 am

      Though, not sure SanDawg and Charlie will appreciate their … spawn… being called such…..

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:10 am

        Well, I meant no offense by it. Good name for a punk band?

      • paulinasia said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:29 am

        Punk band…. record store…. bar….. “Let’s go to Flap Spawn”…. exotic dish at Aqua …..

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      I prefer Flap Love Child…

  6. Macdog said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Sounds like Yanks have found their Jeter replacement, and it’s . . . Didi Gregorius, part of a 3-way trade that sends Shane Greene to Detroit.

  7. TNTFour W. said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Alright, this place should temporarily be a Warriors blog because the baseball season is over, the football season is almost over, and we have pretty much nothing else to talk about here. Let’s beat the streak with the Splash Brothers, Black Falcon Barnes, Mo’ Speights Mo’ Buckets, and The Angry Aussie!

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:11 am

      Nah, we’re good.

    • salty said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:12 am

      Angry Aussie?

      • Chipower9 said, on December 5, 2014 at 2:02 pm

        Assuming he is referring to Bogut.

  8. sfsarge said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Joe Panik was on hot stove this morning. And really didn’t say anything of note.

  9. unca_chuck said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:15 am

    I’ve called my kids many things but flap spawn ain’t one of em!

    Too funny!

  10. Hargesheimer said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Has Sabes announced the resumption of Melk deliveries yet?

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Have you considered adding anything of substance to the blog?

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 11:02 am

        see Dirt, i just don’t think you get the joke. He’s using part of Melky’s first name and making a joke about the now defunct milk delivery business and using their slogan of always being able to “deliver” then loosely relating it to an impending “delivery” of Melky as a productive member of the SF Giants.
        Get it?

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 11:12 am

        Too subtle for me I guess. If he somehow worked in a jizz blast and a Suran Wrap ™ reference I might see the humor.

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 11:20 am


      • sfsarge said, on December 5, 2014 at 12:12 pm

        Once upon a time, but I was really just trying to get the conversation off of the Warriors. Although, I’m with Flavor about this exciting team is getting me back into watching basketball again.

  11. ewisco said, on December 5, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Do something at the winter meet ins? in a word, no.

  12. Irish Kevin said, on December 5, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Wow, Melkman talk. I never would have thought he would be such a hot topic. Chi and everyone knows what I think of the dude. so I will not talk about him. If, yes If he signs with the Giants so be it. If Ishi is back with the Giants and he gets designated to Sacramento I will go see a River Cats game and cheer for him!!

    • Chipower9 said, on December 5, 2014 at 2:14 pm

      I see myself taking in a few RiverCat games this year regardless of whether Ishi is there or not. Sacto is such a bad ass place to watch a baseball game on a warm summer night with a cold beer and a hot dog. Maybe I will see ya there again, Kev, and we can reminisce about the signing of Melky. 😉

      • Irish Kevin said, on December 5, 2014 at 2:38 pm

        Ha ha , yes we will. I might even buy you a hot dog and a beer!!

  13. Chipower9 said, on December 5, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    To answer your question, Flav. I don’t see the Giants doing anything noteworthy in the way of signing players. That has never been Sabean’s MO (to make signings during the meetings). But, you can bet your ass he and his crew will be busy checking out everything and evreyone available.

    As Paul (from Asia) stated earlier, if nothing happens during the meetings, I am not sweating it…I have faith in the Sabean, Evans, and Tidrow law firm to make all of the necessary changes to keep the team viable.

    In the meantime, I got my World Series DVD set yesterday (game 5 of the NLCS and all seven World Series games). I can see my ass doing some basking and knowing dude head nods to the dogs while watching these MoFos.

    Make it an awesome weekend Flap Universe!

  14. Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    If I haven’t said it or been clear about it, I would support a Melky signing–he would make us a better team, no doubt about it.
    My thing is that I don’t think any of the three sides (Melk, players, SF Giants org) wants anything to do with each other. Why would Melky come back here? He’s put all that in the past. I guess if there were no other suitors he might consider it. But there is no reason for him to want to come back to SF. He’s not from here, he’s an AL guy, and he’s got all the baggage of his embarrassing exit.
    Why come back to SF when you could go to an AL team? They’ll pay him the same, probably more…..

  15. gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    My prediction for the Winter Meetings is that Sabes and Company eat real real well. And lots and lots of good red vino.

    Everyone is waiting for Lester to make his decision, hopefully by Sunday, then the other pitching decisions fall into place. Scherzer will be the second big name signed at the meetings and then hopefully we are in the mix for Ervin Santana. I would like to use our internal options for 3rd and try and land a LFer somewhere. I could still live with a small deal for Freese and then I will throw out the idea of trying to land Cody Ross. I love good karma and though Cody is not the perfect solution, there is a nice circle of life idea about Cody back in Giant colors.

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      And time for a Giant Head mock lineup…

      1) Pagan – CF
      2) Panik – 2B
      3) Posey – C
      4) Pence – RF
      5) Belt – 1B
      6) Ross – LF
      7) Crawford – SS
      8) Freese – 3B

      Blanco should get plenty of playing time in left and center.

      Not an overpowering lineup but I think we would find it Giant worthy.

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:29 pm

        maybe if you throw Lester into the rotation. And Blanco needs to start getting his due. He was a critical player in 2 of the three. (Melky suspended, Pagan injured).

      • zumiee said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:35 pm

        I vote no on Ross. The Giants had lightning in a bottle with him for that stretch in ’10, but ’11 seemed pretty dismal for Ross. And he was irritating in ’11 with how many times he threw the bat into the stands.

      • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:49 pm

        Flav, I am all for having Blanco playing as much as possible. Out of 324 starts for CF-LF, I can see each of Pagan, Blanco and a “Ross” level player all getting 100 starts and Ishi getting 15-20 to get another lefty starter in there. Pence probably needs to get some days off for his own health as well…

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      Ross only has one year at $9.5 mill left and would expect Douchebags would be happy to dump his salary and not get much in return. A lower level pitching prospect and Freese is arb eligible and made $5 mill last year. Can’t see him getting more than that next year.

      It does allow the team to probably land a Lester then as Flav adds and puts payroll around $170 mill. Plus we are then not burdened with long contracts for either Ross or Freese.

  16. DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    As far as I know, Bonds never officially announced his retirement and he looks great.
    The fans love him and he appears to be in the good graces of ownership.
    I think that between LF, DH and PH we can get him at least 350 PA.
    I’d offer one year at $10 million plus a few incentive clauses. Thoughts?

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:08 pm

      I hope Loo is not drinking that hard tonight…

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 8, 2014 at 4:35 am

      He and Melk make the perfect combination.

  17. Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    I’d take Ross in a nano-second and platoon him with Blanco. Ross can still hit, he just can’t stay healthy. And his injuries are stupid, random. Plus, if he came back, SF would swarm him with love. We’ve never gotten to bring back a world series hero and have him play for us. Maybe that’s the new thing. After you win 3 in 5, you need new things to capture your fancy……

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:28 pm

      Totally agree with you Flav. For whatever reason, thinking about Cody back as a Giant puts a smile back on my face. Memories of that improbable run in 2010 when Ross was acquired primarily to keep him away from San Diego, just feels like he has unfinished business in SF.

      I would take Morse back for one year at $9.5 mill but think he will get two years out of someone in the $20 mill range. Uribe is definitely worth it in my mind as well. He would be equally as productive offensively as Freese. Only one in won’t take back is Edgar Renteria;) brings back lot of memories of arguments back in the day at the start of the Flap about his worthiness and Twin of course always defended Renteria. And damnit Twin of course turned out to be right all for that one clutch him run…

      • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:29 pm

        Clutch home run that is…

  18. DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    I don’t think Cody’s got much left and definitely not worth $9.5 million.
    The only 2010 Giant I’d like to have back is Sandoval and maybe Uribe off the bench.

    • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      well who is actually *worth* 9 million? You cobble together a bunch of shit, sift through it with a stick and out comes a World Series trophy. That’s “The Giants Way”….

      • DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:31 pm

        ^POTD, baby!

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:33 pm

        you know, I thought the same thing when I wrote it. Thanks.

  19. gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    If Lester is in the mix and one would expect that they would have to keep his money in 2015 around $15 mill and maybe $20 mill in 2016, it would then be in the $25 mill range for years 3-6 from 2017-2020. That is a lot of fucking money. But one thing glass half-full about such a deal is that Posey is the only one with a contract in those 5th and 6th years. If one could imagine Bum getting then something also in the $25 mill range in 2019-2020, that would be about $72 mill in salary for 3 players.

    One could guess by then at the current rate of payroll increases, payroll will be around $200 mill in 2018 and $220 mill by 2020, then $73 mill for 3 players is a little more digestible. Of course, what we would get out of a Lester in those out years makes me very squeemish.

  20. Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    The MadBum contract problem has to get resolved if they sign Lester. You simply can’t have the greatest and best post season pitcher of all time coming into his prime making 6 mil while the new guy is licking his chicken wing fingers making 25 mil. Fuck that.

    • DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:30 pm

      I was thinking the same thing. I’m glad someone else said it.

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        I’m picking up what your buddy BuzzSaw threw down, Loo. I got your back from here on out. 🙂

      • DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:38 pm

        Thanks, Flav. You’re definitely taller than him, although he was wider.
        And a mental patient.

      • Flavor said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm

        between him, me and you we mighta been able to own the south side of some street corner in NY. Maybe the west side. I dunno. Pawlie could have talked everyone down with his poetry. MacDog could have distracted them with scores from his daughter’s games (need twitter to know what that means). One day I hope we can all meet up at Finnerty’s and sort it all out. Or hatch our plan for the next level of east coast Flap domination…..

      • DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:55 pm

        It’s not too late!

    • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:37 pm

      Yeah again totally in agreement with you. If Lester got something in the $135-$145 range, I would have a $150 mill extension ready to go…

      • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 6:44 pm

        Give Bum $15 mill in ’18, $17.5 in ’19, $20 mill in ’20 and then Lester and Posey would have their contracts up and he can then get $25 mill for the next 4 years. A $152.50 mill extension…..

      • gianthead said, on December 5, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        And Bum would be what 34 or 35 by 2014????? If he averages 17 wins over 10 years, he is in the 240 win range at 35. 5 years of averaging 12 wins, he is pushing 300!!!

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 8, 2014 at 4:37 am

      A small sample size should always trump a career of consistent achievement and accomplishments.

  21. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Good point about Lester. With any top line pitcher signed they’re setting the baseline for Bumgarner’s next deal.

  22. DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    He could be shot by the time his contract is up (see Lincecum) and he’ll get shit. He should be rewarded now.
    It’s the right thing to do. He probably made them half a billion dollars this season.

  23. zumiee said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    I had this vision of humans doing underwater research 5,000 years from now and discovering the Juan Marichal statue, and pondering its meaning. Kind of like the poem “Ozymandias.”

    • DJLoo said, on December 5, 2014 at 10:55 pm

      Or perhaps Charlton Heston discovering the Marichal statue at the end of Planet Of The Apes?

      • unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2014 at 8:10 am

        Get yer stinking paws off me you damned dirty ape!!

  24. zumiee said, on December 5, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Andrew Miller goes to the Yankees. Clear evidence of a new regime in Dodger-land, as Miller was a perfect fit for the Dodgers, but they didn’t want to go as high as 4 years/36 million.

  25. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2014 at 8:12 am

    My son keeps telling me he wants to buy his first drink at Finnerty’s when he turns 21. I said, shit, great idea,

  26. willedav said, on December 6, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Lester is for right now–5 yrs from now is irrelevant, esp if SF gets anything near like another 3 in that time span.
    If you want an ace that’s the going rate. Cueto and Greinke will get that much, and so would Bum if he was available.
    Giants are flush and bean counters are still hard. Like the moms mabley joke about the 80 yr old wed to the young babe, the marriage lasted 5 days and it took longer for undertaker to wipe the smile off the guy’s face.
    That’s Larry Baer right now.

  27. Macdog said, on December 6, 2014 at 9:30 am

    So who’s going to be the next third-base coach? Chris Haft lists five possibilities:


    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:23 am

      You know it’s basking time when there’s a semi-breathless story about the search for the new third base coach. Flannery’s biggest resume item coming in was that he was a big bud of Boch from San Diego days and a sports talk host down there. I had to laugh that Flan was the Giants “bunting guru”. Yeah, the Giants won the WS because of great bunting prowess then and all 2014. Especially Blanco, really awesome at those fake bunts on first pitch. Anyway, it’ll be good to promote a guy from within — everybody gets to move up a bit. IMO, if you can get along with the other coaches, you can hit a mean fungo and tell Belt not to get into a pickle overrunning second, you’re halfway home qualifying to be the third base coach. Flannery seemed OK at waiving guys in or not, but I have no idea how he is against the league — somebody probably has a stat on 3rd base coach FUSGH % — fuck ups sending guys home. He WAS really good at running halfway to home with the runners, though. He got noticed in that job from picking the guitar in local joints at fund raisers, (and with Peavy) — and sending Posey from first to get flamed out by 15 feet. If Posey got hurt at the plate, Flan wouldn’t be such a cool figure. And, yeah he was a good interview. BF would be a good 3rd base coach, he’s so tall nobody would miss the windmill sign to go home…

      • Macdog said, on December 6, 2014 at 12:53 pm

        Haha snarkk, you’re the first one I thought of when I saw “bunting guru.”

      • Bozo said, on December 7, 2014 at 10:06 am

        Not sure if they were Flan related, but the bunts by Perez and Belt (against the shift) were key hits in the WS. Blanco’s 10th inning walkoff sac bunt (the Choate choke) against st lou was a huge bunt. Going back to 2012 Blanco’s perfect bunt in the WS and Zito’s gem in game 5 of the NLCS kinda helped us that year.

  28. snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:33 am

    The Bum contract is a good problem to have from the Giants perspective. You can’t tear up a contract and give the guy a new one. That works only if it works in reverse, too, but it doesn’t. They couldn’t tear up the Zito deal, though they probably wanted to burn it. They could extend him, but who knows what pitchers are worth 6 years away? Maybe by then THAT number would be non-market. They can help him market himself with off-field stuff, that would help. No easy answer if he gets PO’d about how much he’s making vs. other guys — the agent has to wear that mostly. But, nobody forced him to sign it, when he did sign it he didn’t know he’d be the reincarnation of Koufax in the 2014 post-season. $35 million total or whatever it is goes a long way in the N. Carolina hills…

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 6, 2014 at 11:58 am

      He’s closer to Claude Osteen, but not there yet.

  29. snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Since we’re in the full off-season FA thing, dig this provision in the MLB CBA — maybe comes into play if the Club doesn’t trust the players agent.

    A Club may require a Player’s physical presence only once during con-
    tract negotiations. This limitation shall not apply to telephone confer-
    ence calls, at reasonable times, with a Player and his certified Player
    Agent. A Player required to be physically present during negotiations
    during the offseason shall be entitled to be paid by the Club for round-
    trip first-class transportation and first-class hotel costs, and a daily
    meal and tip allowance, at the same rate as the in-season meal and tip
    allowance provided under Article VII(B) for the immediately preced-
    ing season, for that day and any additional travel days.

  30. snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:55 am

    As for Lester, that’s just too much money, and too long a deal for a 31-year old dude. Period. This is where the NFL contracts make sense. Sure, 6 years for $138M, with $60M guaranteed. If you’re good the whole time, you get it all. If you suck after year 3, you’re gone, but you’re rich as hell anyway, and somebody else will pick you up to pay you a few million to mop up. Anyway, he’s got a Steve Sax thing going on throwing over to first. WTF? What happens to that when he starts putting a lot of dudes on base? So, figure out somebody else with a shorter deal…

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 6, 2014 at 11:53 am

      Especially when Sabes could spend that money on Melky.

      • James said, on December 6, 2014 at 1:26 pm

        Der Milchmann für Immer!

      • snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:36 pm


  31. salty said, on December 6, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Bum can commiserate with Chris Sale and Paul Goldschmidt who signed for 5 yrs/32m. Mccutcheon at 6/51 is a steal.

  32. Bozo said, on December 6, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Sabes and crew starting to do their minor league pick-up magic? Justin Maxwell, come on down.

    • salty said, on December 6, 2014 at 1:12 pm

      As I recall Clown, you were the first to champion Blanco

  33. twinfan1 said, on December 6, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Lester- resounding “NO” at 25 per
    Headley- see Lester- no way at 16.25 per
    Maxwell- Maybe, outstanding power pinch hitter, but would probably have to beat out Ishi
    Santana- Yes, at about 15 per year, 3 or 4 years
    McCarthy-No, we’re low on Brandons but I’ve soured on him at 10-12 mill, he’s a #5 starter- what Timmy is actually worth- 8 mill
    Third Base- I still think Crawford works-( 2nd on team in BWARP) but no way they’ll do it.
    Best option now is probably trade for Plouffe. Duffy? Won’t happen.
    LF- in house
    Relievers- re-sign Romo, Okert
    All in my opinion, of course.
    Oh, I forgot Melky- if they want to abandon their insistence on character guys, go for it

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 7, 2014 at 5:11 am

      Melk put the team first by taking the rap and distracting attention from everybody else. Without his self-sacrifice, the season would have been over right there.

  34. DJLoo said, on December 6, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    Everybody’s ignoring me on Beltre.
    OK, we’ll see…..

    • Alleykat said, on December 6, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      Think there put their chips in Headley Loo.
      Heard an unnamed team offered him 4/65, hope it wasn’t the Giants about to overpay, cause it has Sabes written all over that. I would go 3/40 with an option on a 4th. He is a solid fielder, coming off a down year,has some Pop, not Beltre pop however, so yeah Beltre I’ve always liked his power, just don’t rub his head,(all his teammates try that and he just go’s bananas in the dugout, actually pretty hilarious to watch😃

    • Macdog said, on December 6, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Belt and Beltre at the corners. I like it.

    • twinfan1 said, on December 6, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      I would put more faith in the possibility if there was some smoke about it. I just haven’t seen anything to suggest any interest by either party.

      • DJLoo said, on December 6, 2014 at 8:05 pm

        I completely hatched it on my own, Twin.
        I just think he’s a perfect fit for a year or two.

  35. paulinasia said, on December 6, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    Ah, gotta love our Giants. Scouring the MLB website and others for any Giants updates, all I see are in-depth analyses of just about every other team but the Giants, except for one story about Pence’s use (or misuse) of his dishwasher. Continuous part of the basking process, I do believe.

  36. snarkk said, on December 6, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    I’d try Duffy and Duvall and any other in-house idea at third, spend dough on an OFer and a starter. Who knows, after 150 ABs Duffy might turn into a real option there. The kid looks like he can hit. Duvall looks like maybe a .225 guy, who runs into one every now and then. $65M for Headley seems way overpriced — $16M a year for that talent level? Sheesh…

  37. Alleykat said, on December 6, 2014 at 11:07 pm

    I’m not in the ” in house” for our 3rd basemen Snarkk.
    Can’t see Duvall,Duffyor even Dominquez handling the hot corner with much success.
    Headley plays a solid 3rd, has a good career OBP which is always a plus.
    If they can’t sign him, plan B might be next.. Trading prospects( mid level)for the likes of David Freese, (Higher picks) for a possible deal for Ryan Zimmerman, who’s reportably on the trade blocks,(though I’m not buying it) or Reds 3B Todd Frazier . Love the last 2 guys for their power game which are dead red,dead pull hitters which will work pounding the car in LF and beyond!!

    • willedav said, on December 7, 2014 at 8:11 am

      Kat, I don’t see Reds giving up Frazier too easily. They were 14th in league offensively in lot of categories while he and Mesoraco were about only bright spots in the LU. On a club starved for runs he had .795 OPS.

      Zim I think is being moved to 1b because he can’t play 3b. Freese numbers last year at the plate were about equal to Blanco’s, if that grabs you. He likely wouldn’t take much but hasn’t hit well in a couple years. Sounds like second coming of Pete Happy—tho maybe he could get Krueger canned, not a bad thing at all.

      In house has a lot of ?, but I’d rather go that route than gamble Headley regains 2012 form for $50 mil, his only decent year at the plate.

  38. James said, on December 7, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Headley is in part a test of how much faith you put in the distortion effect ballparks have on offensive stats, not to mention the other players in the line up. I think the Giants are looking at 2013, not 2012, as the benchmark for what they might get out of Headley. Those are Pablo numbers.

  39. sportdude said, on December 7, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Big No for Lester. 3 pitchers making 75 mil between them? assuming Mad Bum redo you are going to have 50% of the payroll on 3 guys? Anyone remember how much bitchin and moaning there was in 2013 and 2014 when Gmen couldn’t hit at all? I’m still irritated we were gonna pay the .280 13 homer 79 ( ave of last 3 years) fat 3rd baseman 20 mil a year and let Tomas go for only 10 WTF?

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