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When Expectations Fail

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 7, 2014

Niner talk time. I haven’t seen my Niner friends this pissed off about anything, ever, lol. I don’t think it’s Kaep and the dumbass squigley line his has shaven into his head. I don’t think it’s his petulant press interviews. I don’t even think it’s about how bad he and the team play. I don’t think it’s about Harbaugh or the OC or even all these losses. I think Niner fans just got so worked up and excited about recapturing the glory days, combined with coming so close over the last few years, that it’s just hard to watch it all come crashing down so quickly….without a Super Bowl.

Again, the Giants have gifted up something over the last 5 years that we should never, ever take for granted. It’s once in a lifetime stuff.

But that’s something you guys already new.

Now, back to Niner bashing…….

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  1. twinfan1 said, on December 7, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    The only teams to lose to the Raiders were the CK led 49ers and Smith’s Chiefs. It was probably the nail in the coffin for both. Awful.

  2. paulinasia said, on December 7, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    I have no rooting investment in either the Niners or the Raiders, but I agree it’s a bit sad to see Niner fans so disappointed, and in a hurry, after things looked promising the past few years. New stadium and all. Yes, Craig, the Giants have blessed us fans. And even that first year at China Basin was a great year, though ultimately fell short in the playoffs. This first year in the new stadium for the Niners, kind of a downer. What I do find a bit hilarious is the trash talk between these two teams, especially coming from the pathetic Raiders…
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/moore-calls-kaepernick-freakin-chump-instagram-post?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

  3. wilcojoe said, on December 7, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    I had a bad feeling about the Niners the second I heard they were leaving the City. I hate to say it, but I think things only get worse from here.

  4. gianthead said, on December 7, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Frankly I think I said it perfectly last week after the Seahawks/Thanksgiving disaster…I am finished with Harbaugh and Kaepernick.

    I think what we need to pray for is for the Raiders or Jacksonville to end up with the first pick and then we go all in to trade for that pick to land Mariotta. Raiders and their hunt for Harbaugh would make it easier to cut a deal. Too bad they won’t take Kaepernick along with Harbaugh.

    The question then becomes who comes in to coach and I fear the idiots currently running the Niners are going to settle in Nov Turner
    …ehhh gads…

    I continue on the Hell No Bandwagon on Headley and concerned with the rumors circulating that our Giants are hard on him. Lester may get closer to $150 mill and hope that drives us away. Let’s hope for a Santana by the end of the week as our #3 starter and I am still thinking Cody Ross would be nice in left…

  5. snarkk said, on December 7, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    The basking of the 3 in 5 is to be enjoyed, reveled in, rolled in like in pig in slop. Like the great Niner teams of the 80s, you know it as a fan when you’re in something special that may never, likely will never, be seen again in your lifetime. Flappers realize it, we get it. The Harbaugh Niners gave us 3 years of NFC champs and a SB visit, but no title. I’m not that ticked about the no title, moreso I’m sad I never really felt like this team was something really special, nothing I could identify with or wrap my arms around. Harbaugh is a prickly bastid on the outside, which I found weird from the get go, but as long as he produced the wins, well, hard to argue with wins, even though they didn’t give me the sense of awe and satisfaction the 80’s teams did. The Harbs prickliness, surliness almost, for no apparent reason, just did not help generate warm and fuzzies for this fan with that partricular team. To Kap it off, when a coach says his QB played great, when he obviously didn’t, that’s just bogus from a supposedly no-nonsense guy. It makes you wonder what other bogus stuff he’s been peddling in and out of the locker room. Maybe the players finally go tired of the act, too, and have bailed. Too bad it’s come to such a really ignominious end — this team is too talented to end up flailing because of the apparent management and coaching battles. This coaching staff did so well when it started, too. I guess we’ll hear all sorts of inside crap once Harbaugh is gone. It probably won’t be pretty…

  6. snarkk said, on December 7, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    I don’t pretend to understand this Kap one or two word answers stuff to the press. It’s just dumb. Even if he doesn’t believe it, I feel that he’s mocking the Niner fans when doing that, so he’s not making many friends in the Niner Faithful when dissing the press. Even dumber when he does it with earphones hanging around his neck. Harbs is his role model in doing the media diss thing, so I guess I can’t blame Kap for all of it. Why Jed and the PR department are letting Kap do that is beyond me. At least after his losses, Alex was polysyllabic. Anybody going to pay $150 for a nosebleed seat to see this dysfunctional crew lay down in one of the remaining 2 home games? That new stadium may just be 2/3 full, given the high prices for everything, even if you have the tix. So, lots of tix on StubHub coming, with few takers. That’ll be a huge embarrassment for that franchise. I’d like to know what Eddie D. is telling Prince Jed to do…

  7. snarkk said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:22 am

    Congrats to the Raiduhs, BTW, for beating a dysfunctioal Niners team, and probably blowing the Mariota pick they had pretty much sealed up…

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 5:43 am

      your last 3 posts covered this perfectly.

  8. willedav said, on December 8, 2014 at 7:13 am

    I don’t care about all the Killion stuff, dysfunctional this/bad qb reporter vibes/who is pissed who isn’t/like the stadium or not. Stick was a dump, and other stuff only matters to reporters and media who get butt hurt over it.

    Only thing I care about is how they play on the field. Last few years have been pretty good, this year awful and couple teams in division have passed them by. Signifies lot of work to be done by GM and coaches, whomever they are.

    James at end of party time thread (and Kat) made decent case for Headley. Plausible to think outside of Petco and more importantly in a much better LU he could get back closer to 2013 numbers that were better than what Sandoval provided last year, for way less $$$.

    I could see him being frustrated while being pitched around as only decent hitter in entire Pads LU last couple years. Result is he chased pitches or tried to yank everything and got out of rhythm and easier to deal with.
    Middle of LU in SF sandwiched around Belt Posey Pence and not main focus I could see potential rebound and he is a solid defender. 3b tough spot to fill and if he is there LF less an issue than an SP, imo. Can you get a quality LF for what you would pay Headley? 3b defense much more important too.

    Asking Sabes to get 3 quality replacements just seems beyond what he does, so dumpster diving comes in there somewhere. I’d rather it not be for an SP.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Kaepernick’s act is juvenile. QBs and coaches are the face of billion dollar franchises these days. Just winning isn’t enough and it’s not that hard to not act like a total douche to the media. It all comes back to Harbaugh. Who in my mind is barely a step above Mark Jackson, another successful Bay Area coach that was recently dismissed. They both created a bunker mentality and then act surprised when the mortars keep crashing down.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:26 am

      yes, there’s a smugness about both Harbaughs.

  10. pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:25 am

    I’m only a casual Niner, or football, fan, but to me it’s simple: the 49ers sold their soul: left SF, tolerated domestic abuse, stuck with a QB who seems to have little soul, or character. They had no backbone, no spiritual identity. (We all can come up with a dozen ways in which that was not the case for the Giants.) The Forty-Niners sold out to sell out (seats) — and even failed at that.

    • willedav said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:53 am

      Pawlie, there is no way in hell a new football stadium was being built in SF, ever, once Eddie D was out of the league. The Stick was a total dump and very hard to get in and out of. Yes, weather was often better in Nov/Dec than in summer, but ask fans who paid $40 to park in mud and trudge their way in and out what they thought. In terms of modern stadia it was Neanderthal.
      Sadly, the new one was gonna get built to cater to big bucks *fans* no matter what, just like everywhere except Green Bay. Only bright spot is thateveryday casual ones likely to have a field day now on stubhub.

      I just finished most enjoyable book by the late Don Carpenter, “Fridays at Enrico’s”, set in Portland and SF. This is about craft of writing, business end and Hollywood, and toll it takes on family and loved ones, set in late 50s to 70s.

      I was in Enrico’s once early 70s with a date for a jazz show nearby. Coffee was $4 (equal to 3 six packs in those days) and cognac even more, but atmosphere priceless.

    • sfsarge said, on December 8, 2014 at 11:04 am

      Very succinctly stated Pawlie. There has been a sordid element to the Niners that I have felt since last season. Starting when Aldon Smith went to jail on Friday and played on Sunday. For me that was the beginning of the end for this regime. I have been very uneasy about this team since then.
      A soul-less blob with no backbone, alienating many fans with the money grab move to Santa Clara. Another element that added to the bitter taste in my mouth. While I couldn’t begin to understand the intricacies involved with trying to build a new stadium in SF, I suppose they did what they had to in order to get a new building. But it does feel like they sold their soul. I get it, this is what professional sports has become in this day and age a soul-less, ruthless money making machine.

      49ers are probably going to stink for a while. Fangio probably gets the promotion and I think if he can bring in someone to work with Kap to help him correct his rectal-cranial inversion I think he still has a strong upside and can be a serviceable qb.

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:57 am

    Bumgarner named SI’s Sportsman Of The Year. Is there a bonus tied to that?

    • Macdog said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:00 am

      I just saw that, too. Wow, very cool and totally unexpected given how SI gives such short shrift to MLB, especially during the playoffs and World Series. Congrats to MadBum!

    • stickman said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:12 am

      Well deserved and well chosen. Congratulations to SI for being relevant and much Kudos to Bumgarner for his spectacular achievement on the mound (and at the plate) and for this due recognition. This one was very good for baseball ~ particularly among the Millenials who actually READ print.

  12. stickman said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Bob Nightengale of USA Today predicts that the Giants will finalize a deal with Lester over the next couple of days. MLBTR notes an unnamed baseball exec claims any deal for the coveted lefty would be for no less than 7 years. Gulp!

    • salty said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:07 am

      Love it!

  13. Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Kaep acts like a petulant child and Harbaugh is barely a step above that. There’s no excuse to consistently act like a condescending dick every time you lose. Learn how to lose with dignity. I fucking hate people like Kaep and Harbaugh

  14. Macdog said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Here’s the link to SI naming MadBum Sportsman of the Year with a very nice video:

    http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/12/08/madison-bumgarner-sports-illustrated-2014-sportsman

  15. DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Per Bumgarner’s contract he will receive 2 packs of Juicy Fruit..

    • Hargesheimer said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm

      He deserves a snotrag.

    • xoot said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      I think there’s a bonus bull clause, too.

  16. Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:47 am

    this is pretty funny. Check out all the hate coming from Royals fans
    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article4353393.html

  17. salty said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I’m not defending Harbaugh Kap or coaching staff, but for Ann Killion to say failure to make the playoffs is a failure of “epic proportions” struck me as an exaggeration of epic proportions.

    And ignores history.

    A few examples. Ravens didn’t make the playoffs last yr. Did they blow it up and fire everyone? NY Giants won it in 2011 and haven’t been to the playoffs since and Eli looks lost. Pittsburgh won it all in 08, but has failed to make the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years. Epic.

    Maybe they are going to be in disarray next yr again, but it’s not that uncommon for teams to go through a rough patch after a quick rise and great run.
    Many factors involved. Injuries are key. The 49er OL has been a patch job all year, no?

    And the preceeding 3 yrs they just missed. Fumbles by Williams in 2011, ball at the five in the 2012/SB, and last yr a tipped interception.
    Time to regroup. Come back healthy and hungry.
    Take solace. SF Giants sucked in between titles.
    Sorry Ann but “Epic porportions” is a bit overwrought, imo.
    We’ll see.

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:11 am

      For me it’s not just that they’re losing, it’s *how* they’re losing. They just aren’t 2 guys who you can look at and tell your kids “Now THAT’S how you handle losing.”
      They can say whatever they want, they are role models. And they suck at it. They’re easy not to like.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Harbaugh may have saved Alex
    Smith’s career, but he’s destroying Colin’s. He was a confident engaging guy when he joined the team.

    Now he’s a mono syllabic dick like his head coach. He’s also lost all of his confidence as a QB.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:30 am

      If you look at Smith’s performance one could argue that he really started improving the last half of 2010 and continued that progression when Harbaugh came on board and coached up not just him but everyone on the team so I don’t necessarily buy this line of Harbaugh saving Smith’s career. Then if we look at Kaepernick’s spiral into suckitude this year Harbaugh’s status as a QB whisperer is questionable.

      • Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:43 am

        I dunno. He threw 2 td passes over the last 3 games of the 2010 season. And it was a soft schedule to end that season, too. Harbs did a lot to improve Smith (as Smith has said many times)

  19. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Pencil neck Rosenthal reporting that Lester will be making a decision soon and the Giants are still in it. A 7 year deal is a bit scary eh?

    • twinfan1 said, on December 8, 2014 at 11:46 am

      Missed your post. I agree with you.

  20. twinfan1 said, on December 8, 2014 at 11:45 am

    If the latest rumors are accurate Lester could be a Giant by the end of day tomorrow. 6 or 7 years for a guy who will 31 in January. I dunno about that. At 10 mill less per year and 3 or 4 years, I’d go for Santana even with the forfeited pick. In either case Cain has to be sound or it’s a very iffy rotation.

  21. Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    If you asked me who I’d rather have, the answer is obviously Lester > Santana. But that’s when you don’t consider cost. I think the thing to always remind ourselves is that none of these big deals are ever worth it over the course of the deal. Hope he doesn’t break down for the first two years of it and maybe we win another series. I could live with that.

  22. stickman said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Twin: Call it intuition or hope, but i feel Cain will fully recover from the elbow scoping and will revert to form. I agree that anything more than a 5 year contract is simply ridiculous and even five is somewhat questionable. But it is undeniable that with #3 in the pocket and the richest ownership circle in baseball, for the top of the totem pole bunch “it’s only money”. Bumgarner, Cain, Lester and Hudson + whoever?? should make for one of the better rotations in the game. Bullies remain one of the best in baseball, particularly if Use More of Petit remains as the longman. It gets even more sublime if Romo is induced to stay home.

    Why worry. Be happy. Three in Five is Gold.

  23. Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    I still don’t think we get Lester. I think he’s an AL/east coast guy. Certainly not NL or west coast. If the other deals were equal, I don’t see why he’d choose to come out here.

  24. Flavor said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    the anti-Kaepernick. What a great video.
    http://www.si.com/mlb/video/2014/12/08/announcing-your-2014-sportsman-year-madison-bumgarner

  25. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Compete for Championships? Check
    Management willing to spend? Check
    Great Manager? Check
    Great venue and fans? Check.

    If the Giants are going all out as has been described in both the Sandoval and now Lester negotiations and the offers are equal but the club loses out again you have to sort of wonder what is going on that these deals can’t be closed.

    I’ve got an extra copy of Glengarry Glen Ross that I can send over to Sabean.

  26. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    That SI video is awesome. The magazine cover is perfect.
    Congrats to Madison.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      I watched the short SI vid, a minute plus, and the nearly 6-minute one. Splendid profiles. Proud to have him on our team (tho’ um very recent experience forces one to realize, enjoy it now; he might be on another team before you know it…sigh). #thoroughbreds

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I’d like Santana if only because he follows me on Twitter. Think he’d listen if I lobby for him?

  28. Alleykat said, on December 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Great Points, Flav,Chuck,Snarkk,WillieD and others on the 49ers fall from grace.
    From the Jed( let’s embarrass the coach on Twitter) along with Balke’s dumbass daughter rippin Roman and Trent having to apologize to him, to Harbaugh &Kap dishing the media & fans alike, to Tomsula &Brooks meltdown and eventual benching( didn’t see the field against the Raiders) after he did make the big play in OT to recover a Bree’s fumble.
    And btw who the hell is calling the plays? Roman or Harbaugh? To me ,it has to be Harbaugh overriding Roman’s play calling otherwise why the hell do you have 3 delay of game penalties? Maybe Kap sometimes, Maybe not waiting for these 2 to ever get on the same page…

  29. twinfan1 said, on December 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    As per Rosenthal tweet, barring a late change, it’s down to the Cubs and Giants in the Lester battle.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      … and I don’t know whether to root against getting him or in favor. I would rather he went to Cubs than BoSox, though, if it came to that.

  30. Alleykat said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Well if we Lester then the Giants should bring back Chad Gaudin so we have the dynamic duo of “Lester the Molester& The Groper”

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm

      HAHa, the Groper. Forgot about that guy. Dude didn’t even pitch in MLB in 2014. Weird eh? Maybe not considering he looks drunk out of his mind in a lot of pictures of him online.

      • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:03 pm

        Hands on,
        Hands off,
        The Groper!

      • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:43 pm

        I completely support and condone the actions of “The Groper”.
        He didn’t molest children.
        People need to grow up and have a sense of humor.

  31. Bozo said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Haven’t confirmed it, but just heard Hammel to the Cubs for the first Winter meeting deal.

    • Bozo said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      Jason Hammel re-signs , never mind. Read Hammel, typed Hammel but my mind said Hamels.

  32. twinfan1 said, on December 8, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Olney: “The hope within SF organization that they have legit shot to sign Lester has grown over last 24 hours. A week ago, they felt like a longshot.”

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      One report said Buster was very impressive in person as the Giants made their pitch. I could see that: understated, solid, persuasive: dude, three rings; I’ll be your catcher; we have fun; we work hard; we are loyal #together.

  33. DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    No vets voted in to HOF.
    Dick Allen & Tony Oliva came closest.
    Too bad…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      one vote short for each, I believe

      • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:17 pm

        Yep. And both 1964 ROYs…

  34. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Getting Lester would have a certain amount of schadenfreude value, as a way of sticking it to the Red Sox for taking the Panda. 🙂

  35. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    BF, thanks for the link; this is awesomely funny stuff.
    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article4353393.html

  36. twinfan1 said, on December 8, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    I like to keep you guys up on the latest: it’s down to the Giants, Cubs, Red Sox, Royals, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, and 49ers…

  37. Irish Kevin said, on December 8, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Ronnie Lott‏@RonnieLottHOF·2 hrs2 hours ago
    Congrats to MadBum, @SInow’s Sportsman of the year. The epitome of a gamer for the @SFGiants this season. http://bit.ly/1vxQh5D

  38. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Speaking of Sports Illustrated, in the “1954” book it talks a little about the early days of the magazine. It says the sportswriters who were hired “got” the magazine from the get-go; they saw what it could and should be. But the managing editors were people brought over from other types of magazines, and it took them longer to “get” the magazine. In the early days, sometimes the sportswriters would “face-palm” when they saw what the editors had put on the cover. Things like yachting photos or people scuba diving or whatever.

  39. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Always liked Dick Allen. Didn’t he go by Ritchie as well?

    • zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:10 pm

      Yeah.
      On the MLB network someone showed a stat that was something like: over a 10 year period he had an OPS higher than a bunch of sluggers during any 10 year period in their careers, who are in the Hall. But the baseball Hall, more than football and basketball, demands a high amount of longevity.
      I thought Maury Wills was already in the Hall. I guess he’s high profile because of the World Series wins.

      • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm

        A lot of people think Wills should’ve won the MVP in ’65 not ’62.
        A lot of people think Mays should’ve won the MVP in ’62 not ’65.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:39 pm

        yeah, I was just reading that recently while doing some research.

        Zumiee’s 1954 book sounds very good.

        I recommend “Fall Classics” for the 1962 chapter alone. Has anyone here read the Mantle & Mays book? That looks pretty good also.

        G’night, girls.

    • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      “Richie” wanted to be called Dick. Had 2 brothers that also made it to the bigs…
      He routinely hit ’em 450+ with his 40 oz. bat. Big horse player, too.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        famously said, “if horses don’t eat it, I don’t play on it”
        now gotta find the exact quote

      • DJLoo said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:42 pm

        Right, PK (might’ve been cows) . He also sustained a serious injury when he supposedly put his hand through the headlight of his car while trying to push it uphill. Not everyone believed that version…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:55 pm

        Great find, Loo. Lawd, if Allen hit that great in 120 games (35 errors, though), what the hell would he get now? 5 years, 140 mil? More than Sandoval, easily — UNLESS his personality and directness and occasional hand injury were to limit him. Well, wait. Add to the other side of the ledger Mr. Panda’s own injuries and conditioning. Oh, never mind. Old story. Old news.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:55 pm

        Loo, it’s horses; see below. He owned horsies.

  40. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Snarkk, Colin came into the league a confident , well-spoken guy. All this bullshit with the press conferences came from his being vilified when he became the starter, and his coach telling him to follow his lead.

  41. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Nice feature on Bumgarner on the MLB Tonight show about the SI award. Lots of playoff footage. Very very cool.

  42. pawliekokonuts said, on December 8, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Dick Allen quotes: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quoalln.shtml

    No question in my mind that he was one vote short to the HOF because he was so outspoken, and some of the voters on the Senior Retirement Rocking Chair Politburo still resent that.

  43. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    “Has anyone here read the Mantle & Mays book?”

    I read it and liked it a lot. A fascinating look at how their baseball lives were interesting parallels, but also would occasionally cross paths. Like, Willie hit the ball that Mantle tore up his knee chasing after in the ’51 World Series. I think our own WillieD read the book, too, and liked it a lot, if I remember correctly.

    Pawlie, I remember you saying in the middle of this past baseball season that you felt stalled on writing your latest book, and that it might take the Giants winning another World Series for you to finish your book. Well, we’ll be expecting that book! 🙂

  44. zumiee said, on December 8, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    I went on a Dodger blog to see if there was much of a reaction to Bumgarner winning the SI award instead of Kershaw, and there was mostly grudging agreement there that Bum was a good choice. But what really dominated the blog was fear that the Dodgers were going to trade Kemp.
    But maybe a Kemp trade wouldn’t be that surprising given that the new front office there is kind of Beane-like.
    I don’t know what to make of what Beane is doing. I liked “Moneyball,” and I want to like Beane, but sheesh, what he does is almost pathologically cruel to the A’s fans. IF he could get to a World Series, then maybe it’s bearable, but his A’s career so far has been a lot of sound and fury, signifying pretty much nothing so far.

  45. snarkk said, on December 8, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    Yeah, reports are Beane tonight traded Samardzija to the ChiSox for 3 near no name dudes.
    More laundry for A’s fans…

  46. snarkk said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Just got wind of the Bum getting Sportsman of the Year, as noted above.
    What an honor. Well deserved. Great video from the link above, too…
    What a remarkable, memorable post season we had as Flappers. Truly amazing, when you think about it.
    Pounding the Bucs, Bum at the helm. Craw with the slam to secure it.
    Flumoxing the Nats, with that incredible 18 inning classic for the ages with Panda tying it with two outs in the 9th, Petit shuttin’ em down, and Belt’s jack winning it.
    Beatin’ the Birds, closing out the Pennant on that rara avis, the Walk Off Pennant Winner — storybook by Ishi.
    More heroics by Bum in the WS, with the never to be forgotten walk in from the Pen in the 5th, then never leaving the game for the win, and Panda laying down on the grass after the WS winning catch.
    Now, Sportsman of the Year for Bum. The only thing left, it seems, is winning a title at ATT for once.
    Dang, with all that excitement and basking, I’m not gettin’ ticked about the Niners imploding…

  47. Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Giants name Roberto Kelly 3B coach & BP Catcher Billy Hayes 1B coach..
    Hint to Roberto Kelly, Buster Posey is a ow runner😄

    • Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:53 am

      Slow

  48. willedav said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:57 am

    It will be interesting to see what LA does with its OF, since they’d have to cover fair portion of salary to unload likes of Ethier Crawford or Kemp. Kemp I imagine could get them a decent haul, maybe including IF/C/pen help. Puig and younger (and cheaper) guys they are high on in OF plus Uribe Gordon AGon and top of rotation SPs is still formidable combo . I think Giants winning it all with the group they had will provide impetus for Dodgers to jettison the high priced airheads and troublemakers. They had a good find with Justin Turner last year as back up on IF.

    I’ll say this again–what Giants pay Lester 5 yrs from now just doesn’t matter–it’s all about right now filling a need and Giants cannot expect to win like last year with one solid SP. He’s a legit ace and will command x amount of $$$. You want to stay in the poker game and see more cards, then match the call or fold.

    • Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:26 am

      Agree WillieD
      Rather see 2 Aces to start my hand anytime.
      And having Bum& Lester over Lester $ Kershaw makes the draw even better!

  49. willedav said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:02 am

    What I recall about Mantle/Mays book was how despite humble backgrounds of both NYC was where they really came alive and thrived. Kind of sad story on both ends of two great ballplayers who didn’t handle personal lives very well off the field and were rarely comfortable with most of their mgrs. Add in Mantle’s physical problems and Mays inability to win big one after he left for west coast where he was never accepted as he was in NYC and they both come off as very tragic heroes.

    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:29 am

      I believe Mays married a gold-digging whore the first time around. As far as managers, he loved Leo and Herman Franks. Not sure about the others. I assume Mantle dug Casey – did he have issues with Ralph Houk?
      At least Mays managed to stay reasonably healthy. I love him so much but what a prick he is. I’ve seen it up close more than once.

      • willedav said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:53 am

        Yeah after playing for Durocher and being around him and his high priced circle of friends no way anyone/anywhere else could every compare. Fans here thought he was arrogant and uppity, he couldn’t buy a house in SF, park worked against him, etc. Just never was same love affair he enjoyed with New York, and finishing second all those times out here didn’t help.


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