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Thankful I’m Not an A’s Fan

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 9, 2014

The Oakland A’s infield next season could very well be Ike Freaking Davis, Joey Wendel, Marcus Semien and Brett Lawie. I can’t even comprehend what Beane’s mindset is. The dude has had his run of success but that doesn’t mean it will always be that way. If you were even considering being a season ticket holder with the A’s why would you pay for this nonsense?


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  1. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:15 am

    If the Giants end up with Lowrie and Lester it’ll be kinda funny.

  2. sportdude said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Beane said with Angels 11 games up and Seattle coming and signing Cruz it was a no win. If they were going to lose Lester and hammel anyway lets reload. Thats bullshit. Even if it was totally correct, trading a young cornerstone 3b with FOUR years to go until free agency has to go down as one of the worst decisions in recent memory.

  3. zumiee said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Maybe Beane is like some kind of brilliant scientist who finally lost his mind. Or Bobby Fisher, playing chess so brilliantly, then falling down his own mental rabbit hole. Beane is making moves now just to prove how brilliant he is. HE is the story of the A’s. “Oh just watch Beane pull another rabbit out of his hat” I heard some baseball pundits say this week, and Beane probably digs that kind of talk. Whatever. I’ve become so tired of Beane, and I used to like the guy. A’s fans deserve better.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:31 am

      I wonder if Beane shot a congratulatory message to Sabean after the latest WS win or if he just stewed at home powering down Bombay Sapphire Gin plotting his next roster explosion?

  4. zumiee said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Loo, the relationship between Stengel and Mantle was pretty complicated, I think. Stengel, even with all the championships, felt disappointment with Mantle’s love of the night-life. Yogi Berra was the ideal for Stengel. He wished Mantle was more like Berra. Whereas, Mantle had made a determination that, since his father had died young, he wasn’t going to get cheated out of the good times. There’s a lot of tragedy to the story.

    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:50 am

      Thanks, Zum. I always wondered how much of a clown Casey was (or wasn’t) as Yankee manager since I only saw him during his goofball Met era.

      • Bozo said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:01 pm

        “We (the Mets) are a much improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings!” – Casey Stengel

  5. sfsarge said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:33 am

    I feel bad for A’s fans. What they had was not bad, a couple of more pieces and they could have been right back in the mix. Just when they finally start selling tickets and people start showing up they pull this.
    I feel like they’re a toddler holding their breath until they get what they want. (A stadium in San Jose).

  6. Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Dirt– I think Lowrie is totally possible. We won’t get Headley so he’s about it in terms of plausible replacements for Panda. But if we get him, prepare for lots of nagging injuries. That’s one of his tools……

    • Bozo said, on December 9, 2014 at 11:57 am

      “That’s one of his tools……”

      OK, that cracked me up.

  7. Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Nice work again Billy.
    Get rid of your only power hitters, Donaldson, Moss& a decent pitcher Smaz, for some extra Semen(Markus??)
    Being an A’s fan has to be brutal when you have to wear Velcro jerseys to save money for all the name changes on their backs..

  8. DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 9:59 am

    When I was a kid there was nothing worse than opening a pack of baseball cards and seeing a Kansas City Athletic.

    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 10:01 am

      Except maybe getting molested by Jimmy the queer drunk….

  9. Macdog said, on December 9, 2014 at 10:31 am

    If there’s ever a Moneyball sequel, Beane’s gone from being portrayed by Brad Pitt to Pauly Shore.

  10. Macdog said, on December 9, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Do the A’s have a hole at second? @Ken_Rosenthal: Dan Uggla is a free agent and eager to play again. Seven teams have inquired about him, according to a source.

    • Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 10:50 am

      Is that 7 teams in pro ball Macdog are a beer softball league?

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 10:51 am

    What is Lester holding out for another year? Can the dude make his decision already?

  12. Alleykat said, on December 9, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Giants latest rumor for what it worth, have a interest in Mets pitcher Dillon Gee, that would surely mean the end of Voggy, as a 5th starter.

    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      I read somewhere yesterday that there was interest in Voggy elsewhere. Gee ain’t bad and he’s a lot younger, although the guy the Mets really want to dump is Colon. Supposedly they might be willing to pay part of his $10 million or so…

  13. DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 11:07 am

    It’s way too quiet on the Melky front…

    • willedav said, on December 9, 2014 at 11:57 am

      Don’t tell Hargs.

      Melk had great season here, maybe figures he could do it again. Roids or whatever, the guy could hit run and throw, and hasn’t fallen off the map since getting busted. Neither did Nelson cruz.

      Which makes me wonder if their trainers figured out some way to hide it, which has to be the calling card of all these guys–“You won’t get caught.”

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If you haven’t read the Verducci piece on Bumgarner its worth a look.


    • Irish Kevin said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm

      I just knew there had to be a Kevin Bumgarner. and so bet it, Madison’s dad is name Kevin!! ha ha. loved the stat 9 teams passed on him in the draft.

  15. Irish Kevin said, on December 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Interesting what Sabes says about Buster.


    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm

      Hope that last sentence translates to Beltre…

  16. Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    John Shea @JohnSheaHey · 9m 9 minutes ago
    Bobby Evans strongly hinting #cubs and #redsox might be closer to signing Lester than #sfgiants

  17. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I’d think a move to the NL would be best for a guy like Lester and if he’s going to switch leagues SF is a better pitchers park. At the end of the day if he doesn’t want to come to SF than f em. I’ll trust in Sabean.

  18. Chipower9 said, on December 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    snarkk from the last thread:

    What a remarkable, memorable post season we had as Flappers. Truly amazing, when you think about it.
    Pounding the Bucs, Bum at the helm. Craw with the slam to secure it.
    Flumoxing the Nats, with that incredible 18 inning classic for the ages with Panda tying it with two outs in the 9th, Petit shuttin’ em down, and Belt’s jack winning it.
    Beatin’ the Birds, closing out the Pennant on that rara avis, the Walk Off Pennant Winner — storybook by Ishi.
    More heroics by Bum in the WS, with the never to be forgotten walk in from the Pen in the 5th, then never leaving the game for the win, and Panda laying down on the grass after the WS winning catch.

    I would add Panik and Craw’s double play. Without that play, there are runners on the corners with no outs. Certainly a pivotal play in winning that 3rd in five…

    It is sounding more and more like Lester will announce his decision tomorrow.

    And down in the dregs…sounds like the Dbacks are close to dealing Montero to the Cubbies. zzzzzz….

  19. unca_chuck said, on December 9, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Giants in the ‘back seat’ re Lester per BEvans. Not holding my breath or losing sleep over it.

    Where’s Pete Happy?

    • zumiee said, on December 9, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      Lester for ‘7 years/a zillion dollars’ doesn’t have great appeal. I’m sure that’s another of those deals that the Giants will secretly breathe a sigh of relief when it falls through.
      I still wish they had gotten Tomas though. That would have been a fun pick-up.

  20. Nipper said, on December 9, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Forget Lester.

  21. Irish Kevin said, on December 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Slow news day info, Roberto Kelly will now be the 3rd base coach and Billy Hayes will be the 1st base coach for the Giants.

  22. paulinasia said, on December 9, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    I’ve generally been in the “yes on Lester” camp, despite the ridiculous money, because in my mind, if Giants management pulls the trigger on that, I trust them that it means they can afford it and still have money left for other needs. Plus, I would be happy to see them not “standing pat”, which they were mostly accused of doing after winning the previous two championships. Standing pat this off-season would translate roughly to not adding a frontline pitcher but continuing to try to squeeze another year out of Voggie, et al. Glad to see them going for a frontline pitcher. However, it’s getting kind of boring, as Dirt alluded to earlier here, waiting for him to make up his mind. I was just beginning to think he ain’t worth all this attention, then I saw this story on MLB. It’s a rather stats-driven analysis asking whether Lester is really “worth all the fuss”. I’m starting to think no already…

  23. Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Giants confirm they are OUT on Lester.

    • DJLoo said, on December 9, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      Well, as my West Indian friend, Augustine would say: “Fuck he”

  24. Peter Krug said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Sad news to report in DC, especially for you Stanford fans like Flav. Kevin Hogan’s father passed away last night from a battle with colon cancer. I just got word this morning. As I have posted before, Kevin’s father has been a long time friend for about 17 years or when Kevin was a little kid. Jerry Hogan was a die hard Irish fan and it was very funny to see Kevin land at Stanford and then become their startng QB in the middle of his first year of eligibility.

    And then on top of that, I learned an even better friend died here in DC from a heart attack appaently this morning, but was not found until this afternoon. My other friend Bill O’Neill was the most die-hard Yankee fan I have ever met, but was such a mensch that he always congratukated me when the Giants won each of our World Series. He also bought me a book on the history of the SF Giants and he also got me a Willie Mays figure. Funny thing is that silly Mays thing was supposed to have him holding his bat after taking a swing, but the manufacturer never made a hole in his hands to stick the bat in. I joked ot Bill about it and he forced me to give it back to him to get a new one. I sheepihly agreed because I frankly did not care. But he wanted me to enjoy the real deal and of course the new Mays figure also failed ot have any way to have him holding the bast Rest in piece Bill and Jerry.

    They were both die hard sports fans they would appreciate that I am posting about them on THE One and Only Giants Blog…

    • gianthead said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      excuse the typos…dame eyesight is going

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm

      sorry for such a loss; some good stories there

    • Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:22 pm

      that sucks, sorry about your friend.
      And Hogan has really started playing better lately. Win the bowl game for his dad.

  25. paulinasia said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    So, Craig, in the time between posting my 6:09 about changing my mind to no on Lester, and arriving at my school now, I see that from your 6:16 and some stories that yeah, it’s no on Lester. Cool. I’m glad I changed my mind…. 🙂 Some interesting chatter about trade possibilities with Atlanta, with the requisite counter-statements that they ain’t happening. In a way, it was a relief when Pablo finally made his choice, even though I wanted him back, because then the team could move on. Same now, maybe even more so. The Lester thing was just a distracting circus act after awhile. Looking forward to seeing Sabes et al work their magic for real now.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      Agree. I’m surprised to see players not wanting to come to or stay in SF for whatever reason but the club will be better off in the long run and whatever team that ultimately takes the field next year will have a chip on its shoulder.

    • paulinasia said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Agree, a chip on the collective shoulder would be a good thing. I alluded to the “standing pat” mentality earlier here, that the team mostly did after ’10 and ’12. Not happening this year, and that’s a good thing. Pablo forced the issue by leaving, but the team will be making other additions and subtractions in what I’d say will be a healthy way.

  26. pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    The hell. As long as Lester doesn’t go to Boston, Yanks, or LA, I don’t care. Twitter was funny all day, mocking how long it takes him to come to a decision, yada yada. I’m sort of relieved we did NOT get him. Hope he goes to Cubs.

    • Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      agreed on all counts. All these guys shunning the Giants are going to rue their decisions, as usual…….

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm

        How fuckin sweet it will be when the Giants win the World Series, AGAIN, and Pablo and Lester have to scratch their fat, fuckin, money-soaked heads in envious wonder! If it ain’t next year, it will be 2016. Or the year after. I used to think such talk was pure fantasy. I now know better. Oh yeah. Y’all know what I’m talkin about.

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    is Lester the Boston SP who had cancer?

  28. pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Zumiee, I enjoy your literary morsels; keep ’em coming. (The rain out there helping? We were supposed to get a big snowstorm; hasn’t materialized. Yet.)

    • Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm

      tomorrow (i think evening) we’re supposed to get hit with our biggest storm since 2008. Bring the wetness, baby!

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:28 pm

        that’s my line!!!

  29. pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Not to be crude or insensitive, but isn’t cancer recurrence something to consider? And is it not slightly wrong for all stories to leave this fact out? It is obviously a risk factor of some sort, at least as much as, say, prior TJ surgery would be. And if I am investing $150 million in something, I want to weigh my risks. The market is going crazy. Irrational exuberance, as Alan Greenspan would say.

  30. Flavor said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    new thread

  31. James said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    The next level down, I preferred Liriano to Santana. Too bad.

  32. pawliekokonuts said, on December 9, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Either Beane is auditioning for the 1997-98 or 2003-4 Marlins or he is disgusted on his return on investment. Remember, at the trade deadline his staff, and team, looked unbeatable. And then KC shocked ’em. Maybe he is countering his own prior irrational exuberance.

    Boys and girls, survey the champagne-drenched landscape of the San Franciscans: you need a Panik (and a Panda, yes), a timely Perez, a Susac, a MadBum. You need mojo at the right time. A dash of Crawdad and Pence and Posey and Morse and Blanco and Ishikawa. And Petit. Etc. Hey, maybe Scutaro comes back strong. I’m not in a panic.


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