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Bonds or World Series Wins? You Choose.

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 29, 2014

I really want your guys opinion on this because I think Bob Fitzgerald might be an idiot. A KNBR caller just threw out the following “Would you rather?” and Fitz basically thought it was too tough to call.

The caller said “Would you rather have the Bonds era or the World Series era?” Fitz went on and on about being a “regular season” guy and he leaned towards the Bonds era since he thought not only did you get the highs that Bonds brought the fans but he also felt like there were some teams (he noted ’93) that were significantly better than any of the 3 WS teams.

First of all, it doesn’t surprise me that Fitz is all about the regular season. He’s been broadcasting the Dub for 15 years and has never experienced what it’s like to win it all. So with the Warriors dominating this current regular season, this is his time to bask. In fact, this is the one and only time he’s had to bask. But still, he should know better.

I am all about Barry Bonds, he’s one of my favorite players of all time. But now that I have some perspective gifted to me by the “3in5 teams” there is no way I would trade the WS era for the Bonds era. NO FREAKING WAY. Not in a million years and it’s not even close (as it was for the pondering Fitz).

Thoughts? I would slap up a poll but I don’t think WordPress allows for that feature anymore. At least, I can’t find it anymore.

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Also, regarding Harbaugh, I am 100% done with *Harbs talk*. Stop. He’s gone. The Bay Area media needs to move on. It’s like we’ve never had a coach leave before.

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  1. DJLoo said, on December 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    • sfsarge said, on December 29, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      Classic, one of my favorite movies of all time.

    • Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2014 at 7:46 am

      Great flick, and excellent analogy.

  2. unca_chuck said, on December 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Seriously. How is this even a discussion? I loved the teams of my youth (~1968 on) over the Bonds era. But not by a huge amount. The main feeling there though was one of frustration and disappointment. That continued up to 2010.

    Having waited that long for the pinnacle made the ascent all the better. But no way no how does any of those frustrating seasons compare to 2010. Futz is just garnering reactions.

    • DJLoo said, on December 29, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      OK, Chuckie, how about this….would you trade it for being a little boy again and reliving the Mays – McCovey – Marichal days? Wanna be a kid again or was once enough?

      • Flavor said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        fuck that, being a kid sucked. Going to school all day every day, working your ass off at night with home work and you see zero dollars for all that? I have no idea how we continue to convince kids to go to school every day.

      • unca_chuck said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:42 pm

        If I could be 17 in 1968 I might think about it.

  3. zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Plus, Fitz isn’t even a Giants fan, so he doesn’t truly know our experience. I think he’s a White Sox fan, so I doubt he’d trade 2005 for any period of regular seasons during the 80-something years the White Sox weren’t winning the World Series.
    And his statement that the ’93 team was better than the World Series winners is just flat-out wrong. The ’93 team didn’t have the pitching that the World Series winners have had. The SF Giants started winning the World Series when they finally got quality depth in their pitching staff.

  4. zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Wild eyes and hair
    Climbs the fence like Spider Man
    Says: “Not today, Werth.”

  5. zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Quasi-interesting factoid:
    The Giants led the majors in double-switches last season with 64.

  6. Flavor said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Zumiee, did you hear this on KNBR too?
    The ’93 team had 2 studs who had career years in Swift and Burkett. Woulda like to have seen how they might have tag teamed in the playoffs…..
    And check out the outfielders we had after Bonds. Uninspiring…..
    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1993&t=SFN

    • zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:41 pm

      No, I didn’t hear it. But Fitz’s tone-deafness doesn’t surprise me. ’93 was one of the most wrenching, heartbreaking seasons ever for Giants fans. Watching the Braves get McGriff in that Padre fire-sale and watching the Giants’ 9-game lead slowly evaporate was the height of baseball frustration. In fact, I was so emotionally wrung out after that season, I didn’t even follow the start of the ’94 season very closely, and I wasn’t that broken-hearted when the strike happened.
      And how about that ’98 season? A-Rod rolls into Kent at secondbase, Kent misses a month, the Giants tie the Cubs for the Wild Card spot, and the Giants lose the one-game playoff for the Wild Card spot.
      Man, Giants fans paid some dues until the 3-in-5.
      I’m gonna bask, bask, bask in the 3-in-5, and Fitz can take a hike. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  7. zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    It’s interesting to look at the 3-in-5 in a broader view. In ’10 and ’12, the Giants didn’t just win the World Series, they dominated their highly rated AL opponents. In ’14, the Giants got stretched to 7 games, but the ’14 team wasn’t as strong as the ’10 and ’12 teams. In those 3 Series, the Giants had a 12-4 combined record over favored AL teams. That’s a dominating performance, in the big picture.
    We’re used to seeing the Giants underestimated in the media, and that’s worked just fine for the Giants. Flying under the radar, and winning the ring at the end.

    • DJLoo said, on December 29, 2014 at 4:56 pm

      Lots of good stuff, Zum. I’m sure you’ve heard McCovey say that the ’62 Giants weren’t that crushed after losing the WS because they figured with that crew they’d be going back many times…

      • unca_chuck said, on December 29, 2014 at 5:03 pm

        Hell, I figured they’d be back shortly and I was in diapers.

      • zumiee said, on December 29, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        I was that way after the ’71 playoff loss. I figured they’d be back for many years to come. I couldn’t have imagined a 16-year playoff drought.

  8. sfsarge said, on December 29, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    No way in hell I trade Bonds years (as entertaining as they were when he was juicing it up) for one ring, let alone three. I feel like the Giants are Ron Burgundy before he met Veronica Corningstone. It’s pretty awesome.

  9. imyomamma2 said, on December 29, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Reblogged this on THE LIGHTER SIDE OF SPORTS and commented:
    I must say it’s hard to believe this is an actual question/topic! I was 1 yrs old when the SF Giants came to San Francisco and I have been a hard core fan ever since. Through thick and thin I supported my team and it finally paid off in 2010 when at the age of 54 I licked my first trophy.
    Bonds who? We are the World Champions again. LOL Insane.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      righto

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:22 pm

        you licked it? I touched it but didn’t lick it. Never mind. Let’s stop there.

  10. pawliekokonuts said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    It is a question so breathtakingly stupid as to beg ignoring it. Sorry, Bonds did some dramatic things but I wouldn’t trade 10 Bondses for 1 ring. Not even close. Why would one? And Loo refines it, makes it harder, by invoking Mays, McCovey. But nope. That is what is so GORGEOUS. Now is the best of all times to be a Giants fan. Period. I am reliving a lot of that old-days stuff for my next book — but, honestly, nostalgia only goes so far, and it is a selective memory at best, always.

  11. pawliekokonuts said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    zumieeee’s 4:09 haiku = brilliant, as they say in UK and Ire. Brilliant.

  12. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    I stopped following the Giants for most of the Bonds era so hellz to the no I don’t want to trade championships for it.

    • DJLoo said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:44 pm

      That’s like leaving America when FDR was in office, Dirt.
      What brought you back, The Bowker Gang?

      • Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2014 at 7:53 am

        lqtm…

  13. paulinasia said, on December 29, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    About Fitzgerald: There is no such thing as “regular season basking”. None. We Giant fans today are indeed luckier than most, ever.

  14. eddacker said, on December 29, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    Watching game 7 on CSNBA and Panik just ‘flipped’ for a double play. Nice.
    Jon Miller just said, “this review reminds us that there has not been one bad call by an umpire the entire series.”

  15. willedav said, on December 29, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Fitz is an awful b-ball guy too–dunno how Barnett tolerates him.
    Roye and Tolbert are great, and are pretty funny too. Tolbert sounds like type of guy you’d love to sit next to during a game and knock down a few cold ones with.

  16. pawliekokonuts said, on December 29, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    I still can’t get over how chowder-headed this guy’s question is.

  17. Macdog said, on December 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Zumiee nailed it for me. If opting for the Bonds era means re-living every gut-wrenching, soul-crushing, my-god-the-Giants-are-never-ever-going-to-win-The-Big-One-in-my-lifetime loss that began in ’93, picked up again in ’97 and tormented us for every season but one up to 2004, thanks but no thanks. I’ll take 3in5 every fucking time.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 29, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    Loved my cousin vinny, loved joe Pesci, love marissa tomei, but she got an oscar for that?

  19. Bozo said, on December 30, 2014 at 6:22 am

    93 was probably the greatest year for the SF Giants ever. They won 103 games had Bonds, Clark and Williams in the middle of the line-up, Swifty Bill and Bowling Burkett as starters, Beck closing it out and they did it in San Francisco, not Florida. Every win or heartbreak after that was done in San Francisco. That to me was the most important thing, although I might rethink that now that I’m 3,000 mile away.

    As to the main question – rings over the king I guess. Although without Bonds they may never have gotten the new park and without that park (and the money it generated), they might not have gotten the rings. Who knows? Loo is right, it is a bullshit question.

  20. gianthead said, on December 30, 2014 at 7:11 am

    I would trade all the Bonds years for just the first World Series title…not even a question…

  21. willedav said, on December 30, 2014 at 7:27 am

    Pawlie mentioned ’62 in the previous thread. All I can remember is all the rain during the Series, with games rained out here. Do remember our 6th grade teacher letting us watch final game in class, all the way to Mac’s line drive into Richardson’s glove.
    And as others have mentioned, it seemed Giants had plenty enough talent to get back and just never did. NL was busting at seams with emerging black and latin stars too–before and after Giants got in the 60s so did Pirates Reds Dodgers Cards plus Braves in late 50s. Even Cubs made it close.

    And um, safe travels to Mr. Blade and everyone. Gal who once worked for me is headed to Moscow to visit family and her itinerary sends her from SF to LA to Istanbul then Moscow. She does this just to avoid Aeroflot.
    I told her before she left as she was in her flop sandals, how about they leave Moscow to come here?

  22. Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2014 at 7:59 am

    I loved the Bonds era, and John made some good points about ’93, and how our yard was built on the back of Barry Lamar Bonds. I was there when Bonds hit 661 and for both the single season and all-time HR records (I remember dashing down to buy t-shirts…and yes, they were available during both instances). With all that said, Loo nailed it. It is a bullshit question. My answer to the bullshit NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL I choose the Bonds era over the championships (even one championship).

    Fitz is a dipshit tool.

  23. Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2014 at 8:04 am

    A few threads back folks were discussing the swag that the fat man in the red suit brought them.

    I got a bottle opener made from a game-used bat this year. You can take the hologram number and look up the details and print a certificate of authenticity. I did. It was from a broken bat by Tyler Colvin in a game against the deadbirds in July. Cool thing is that it being from Colvin reminds me of all the churn they went through with the roster this year.

    I also got the “Champions Together” coffee table book, another hard cover Giant’s championship book, and one of the orange jerseys with script Giants lettering and WS patch.

    I also bought every damned magazine about the post-season, 8 disc DVD set, and another compilation DVD.

    Still in full bask mode.

    Only 50 days until pitchers and catchers report.

  24. Alleykat said, on December 30, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Till this day,Willie Mays says he could of scored the tying run in the 9th from 1st base on a double down the R/F line in that 62 W/S final game, but the 3rd base coach held him up.
    WTF it’s not like it was Posey trying to score, it’s Willie Mays one of the best instinct base runners of all-time in his prime!!!

    • DJLoo said, on December 30, 2014 at 3:16 pm

      I love the Say Hey prick unconditionally, but when did he ever let a baseline coach tell him what do? The man was smarter than any of them and he knew it. Mays ran wherever and whenever he pleased…

  25. Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Rack ’em and stack ’em…Bumgarner named AP Male Athlete of the Year.

    Country Strong!

    • Alleykat said, on December 30, 2014 at 11:50 am

      That’s awesome Chi,
      How many votes did Ray Rice & Adrian Peterson get?

  26. Irish Kevin said, on December 30, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    See this is what talk radio is all about getting people to call in. I don’t care if it is Fitz or Limbaugh, they all are paid to get callers to call. That was a stupid question. The people that would choose Bonds are just bandwagon fans who love the home run.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm

      Fair weather fan or not, I don’t think anyone would vote the Bond years.

      It would be like voting for tha Harbaugh years over the Walsh years. Nonsensical.

  27. Macdog said, on December 30, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Story on MadBum winning AP Male Athlete of the Year: http://tinyurl.com/n3mocku

    This is corrected from an earlier version that had this mistake: “He beat out Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw — who won the National League Cy Young and MVP but lost to Bumgarner’s Giants in the playoffs.”

    And thus inspired . . .

    MadBum dominates
    San Francisco celebrates
    Tear up his contract.

    • DJLoo said, on December 30, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      Do they still award the Hickok Belt?

      • Alleykat said, on December 30, 2014 at 3:28 pm

        lqtm

  28. Flavor said, on December 30, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Loo, where ya been at the BBOTD? Do I need to bring the pigs back to capture your posting interest again? Cause I’ll fucking do it! 🙂

  29. SanDawg said, on December 30, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    The Say Hey Prick! Gold!
    I love the question behind this thread. No, I wouldn’t rank the Bonds years ahead of 3 in 5, BUT I do think those years were about as special as a set of years can be without a ring. ’93 still hurts like hell. 2002 hurts too. Not as much as they used to, but there is still pain there. I really wish Barry won a ring with us.
    Here is a question for you all—would you trade 2 of the 3 in 5 rings for a ’93 or 2002 ring? I would.

    • SanDawg said, on December 30, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      Part of the reason for this is that I wish they had won at least one ring at Candlestick. So I would trade our last 2 rings for a ’93 ring.

  30. SanDawg said, on December 30, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    You older dudes who follow college hoops may appreciate this. A teacher I work with went to Purdue and we have similar discussions with Gene Keady, of all people, taking the place of Barry Bonds. As some of you may know, Keady was a helluva coach for a long time at Purdue, but they never won it all under Keady—and furthermore never even went to the Final Four under him. I think most would agree he is the best coach never to have taken a team to the Final Four. Anyhoo, my buddy claims that yes, he will always be bummed that they never did well in the tournament under Keady, BUT he says that Keady provided so many memorable regular season moments that he is not as bothered by the tournament failures as you might think. He points out that Keady played the great Bob Knight dead even over the years, won several Big Ten titles, and had countless big wins against real good opponents—many coming with my friend in the stands. He can tick off the specifics of the wins and name off the great players on the opposing teams that Keady conquered. At first I was very skeptical of his argument, but he now has me convinced that maybe we sometimes make too much about “winning it all” without really appreciating the overall body of work. Of course, this argument works especially well in a “one and done” tournament format like the NCAA Big Dance.

  31. Flavor said, on December 30, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    I wouldn’t trade any of the 3 for a ring in ’93. Two of them? Dawg…..I see your point about winning one at Candlestick but to win 3 all of a sudden, and nearly in a row, at this point in my life has been indescribably awesome. I think the wait also made me jizz on myself a little harder in 2010 (ie, I wouldn’t have jizzed on myself in 2010 with such volume and intensity had we won it all in ’93). Just my two cents…..

    • SanDawg said, on December 30, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      There is no doubt that a ’93 title would have taken a good 7-8 mph off of the velocity of the ejaculatory stream of the 2010 title. I can’t argue with you there, my friend.

      • Flavor said, on December 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm

        and at this stage of my life, I can’t really give away 7-8 mph in that situation… lqtm

    • Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2014 at 7:45 am

      Great story on Purdue, but I agree with Flavor on the jizzing and non-jizzing. Now way I trade even one of the current rings for a ring in ’93 (for the same reasons BF mentions). We now return to your regularly scheduled programming…

  32. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    One for one, sure. That 93 team was great. Then again, the ’71 team was my first love, baseball wise. Hard to quantify that. Mays, McCovey, Bpnds, and Marichal getting rings?

    Priceless.

  33. SanDawg said, on December 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Greetings Chuck! I vaguely remember ’71. I was 6 going on 7. I don’t remember the games themselves, but I remember often flipping through a paperback my brothers had that summarized the ’71 season and being bummed out that the Giants had lost, but taking comfort that this team that seemed to be a focus of our family was good and had several great players. I was about as serious of a 7 year old fan as you could find. I was flipping through articles in Sports Illustrated and even trying to read some of them. I studied the backs of baseball cards for hours. I was totally hooked on baseball and the Giants. It wouldn’t be long before I talked my parents into subscribing to The Sporting News as well. In a cruel twist, the team seemed to get worse as I became more of a fan as the years went by.

    I have an Olympia Beer poster in my bonus room of the 1974 Giants. Just the other day my daughter was checking out the poster and she asked me if it was a minor league team. Its understandable when you look at it. Hardly anyone is smiling. The team is sitting on ghetto metal folding chairs on the astroturf in centerfield at Candlestick. Chris Speier looks like he’d rather eat shit than sit for that photo. Murph looks like a cocky sob and he has a chaw in his cheek about the size of a racket ball.
    How awesome would it be to have beers with Mike Murphy and have him spin stories about everything he has seen over the years?

    • DJLoo said, on December 30, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      It would be pretty damn awesome, Dawg. I wonder which non-winning team he laments the most.

      I’ve said this before and I’ll always believe it. As bad as the Cepeda, Foster, Perry, etc. trades were, this one cost us 2-3 pennants and maybe a WS or two, yet no one (but me) ever seems to bring it up:

      December 2, 1965: San Francisco Giants trade Bill Hands and Randy Hundley to the Chicago Cubs for Don Landrum and Lindy McDaniel.

  34. paulinasia said, on December 30, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Well, it’s late morning on the last day of 2014 here in the eastern hemisphere. Big doings in Saigon city tonight, but I’ll likely just stay home and watch fireworks on the Saigon River from my porch; too crazy out there. Imagine Times Square x 20, grid-locking the entire city center. Did it once or twice a bunch of years ago “when I wore a younger man’s clothes”, no need to do it again. Usher out this year in peace; bring in the new one the same way. Perhaps in the company of a local lovely. Here’s wishing a joyous, healthy, and bask-filled near year to all Flappers in Flap Universe….

  35. Macdog said, on December 30, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Flav, you’re right on FB about those Maryland helmets. Awful.

  36. snarkk said, on December 30, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Fitzgerald was just passing gas for the sake of talk radio. Stir up some stooopid topic to get people to stay tuned to his and his tall sidekick’s drivel. Anyway, the Bonds years were OK for individual excitement, but I’d trade all of ’em and all seasons since I first started paying attention to the Giants in the 60’s for that 2010 championship season. Not close, not even a thought about it. In fact, all of us long suffering fans DID trade all those seasons of vigilance as fans, waiting, waiting, and more waiting through mostly ghastly crap with the occasional light for that one golden 2010 season. And, now, 2 more on top of that. Let’s get #4…

    • Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:01 am

      Agree…well said Tom. And fuck that every other year bullshit. Break the mold and throw it out…let’s do it again in 2015! I am ready for another parade down Market street!

  37. snarkk said, on December 30, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Dubs are a real item this season, but the NBA is still a joke overall. The entire East save one or two squads is pathetic. 76ers are now 4-26. That same percentage in an entire MLB season yields a team at 25 -137, which would never happen. Philly has less drive to win than the Washington Generals…

    • Macdog said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:08 am

      Check out the Atlantic standings. Knicks at 5-28 are ahead of 4-26 Sixers percentage-wise, but the Sixers are a half-game closer (or less farther away) to first place than the Knicks.

  38. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    The T-Wolves are 5-25 as well. Hard to fathom how bad that is. Most of the east is dogshit. Cleveland fans are due for a rude awakening if they can’t win their games in the east. That being said, my daughter got me 2 tix to the Cleve game, and my son and I are jazzed to go.

    Hey Dawg! Yeah, i was 10 that year, so I was pretty solidly into the Giants and Niners by then. Things were looking up as both were in the playoffs that year.

  39. Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:06 am

    I’ve said it before, and will probably say it 100s of times again (sure as hell hope so)…that this place is very special. This is the greatest collection of NY/SF Giant fans ever. Thanks again to Flavor for giving us this space.

    Wishing all of Flap Universe the best of health, happiness, and good fortune in the coming year! Happy New Year gents (and ladies)!

    Only 49 days until pitchers and catchers report!

  40. Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Now that the holidaze are past, I had a chance to sit down an open the “Champions Together” book. Didn’t get through the Bochy or Affeldt pieces before my eyes just welled-up with tears (same as happened with that video piece from a few threads back). What a great momento of a wonderful season. Looking forward to getting back into it over the next couple of days…

  41. Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Agree on snarkk’s comment on the NBA as a whole, and also that the Dubs are special this year. They have the depth this year to make noise deep into the playoffs. It could be a special year for the Warriors…

    • bobfitz said, on December 31, 2014 at 8:24 am

      Duh


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