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Too Much Basking, Not Enough Action

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 11, 2015

When Ben Zobrist went to the A’s for John Jaso it just reinforced what we already know about Sabean: he’s a lone wolf who doesn’t compete for players.

Say what you will about him, but he doesn’t repeat a unique move. He went all in on a monster deal for Zito and he hasn’t gone down that road again for a non-Giant free agent. He went all in on a mid season blue chip trade when he gave up Wheeler for Beltran and you get the feeling that he’ll never do that again.

But when it comes to more middling less interesting pick ups like Ben Zobrist, I feel like Sabean operates in “No Man’s Land.” Unsure of what to give up and not wanting to give up too much he ends up doing nothing and lets way too many doable deals go by without action. It’s the same reason, by the way, that he never gets a decent foreign player. Unsure of what they truly cost, he always loses…..

DJ Loo’s POTD has never felt more real to me as it does right now……

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  1. willedav said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:37 am

    That was depressing to hear yesterday. Maybe Rays told Sabes he had to take Escobar, the next Tejada in terms of declining offensive skills and questionable tude, in the deal.
    Jaso is a decent hitter with high OB (and zero power), but really only a part time LH DH who might not ever C again. Seems like mostly a salary dump on Rays part than bleeding a team dry for your AS.
    The other 2 are from High A ball and couple years away. If the SS kid was anywhere near ready Beane would never have dumped him.

    I can see being wary of trading for a guy who will be an FA like Flav mentioned in the Beltran deal where potentially you lose out on 2 players. But Z would have been perfect fit as a hitter and an versatile fielder. Imo he would have been insurance if MacG falls apart and/or covered LF. Escobar could have been moved somewhere for something if he had to be part of the deal.

  2. zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:52 am

    The Rays might have been demanding Susac plus a minor leaguer, and Sabean doesn’t want to give up Susac at this time. Maybe Susac goes in a mid-season trade, if the Giants feel Sanchez is making a comeback, or someone else from the minors looks promising at catcher. Ideally, Sanchez could be thrown in on a deal instead of Susac, but Sanchez’s value is probably pretty low at the moment.

    • Lurker John said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:17 am

      Demanding Susac, maybe, but they took Jaso, a solid but well-travelled backup catcher. Maybe Sanchez would have been enough for them.

  3. zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:54 am

    The Ravens’s Harbaugh with a brutal penalty by walking way out on the field to argue a call. The persecution complex gene runs throughout the Harbaugh family apparently. And a certain amount of self-destructiveness.

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:17 am

      true words.

    • Lurker John said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:18 am

      He came off like a whiner both during the game and especially after.

  4. willedav said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:54 am

    So, what you have is Blanco replaces Morse as your starting LF, and back ups to OF are Perez and Ishi.
    Mac G replaces Sandoval at 3b alongside Crawford Panik Belt, with back ups being the usual in house subjects, some combo of Arias Duffy Duvall Adrianza. Plus Posey and Susac.

    No changes to SPs–Peavy is re-signed to go with Bum Cain Hudson and LIncecum/Petit.
    Romo is re-signed with Casilla Lopez Affeldt Machi Strickland.
    And that’s your 25 man, as of today. Hmmnn.

    • zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:19 am

      Willie, your points are well-taken, and your concern is justified. All I would say, though, is that with the 3 championships, things always changed during the season.
      In 2010, the opening day lineup had De Rosa in leftfield and Bowker in rightfield.
      In 2012, on opening day, Theriot started at secondbase, and a much diminished Huff started in leftfield.
      In 2014, Arias was the opening day starter at secondbase.
      Sabean got it done in those years. Yeah, some other years, Sabean crapped out, but he’s hit lightning in a bottle several times. Maybe he’s just been incredibly fortunate. But he’s accomplished amazing things. I’m going to have faith in him on this. Maybe it means a down year in ’15, but a resurgence in ’16, and I’m OK with it. You and James and others have made the point that it’s easier said than done enduring a sucky odd-numbered year again, and I agree; but there were some pundits on MLB Network actually speculating about whether this is the new paradigm for baseball, as evidenced by the Giants and Red Sox. Win the World Series one year, then step back the next year, thin out some dead wood, and then reload for the title march again. I don’t know about all that, but it’s a somewhat interesting notion.

      • zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:22 am

        And it doesn’t mean the Giants won’t compete well in ’15. That still might happen. 🙂

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 4:55 pm

        those are fascinating tidbits regarding opening days those years

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:57 am

    After that last line I though for sure DJ’s blast about Flappers being drunk and cultured (can’t it be both?) made post of the day.

    • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 10:13 am

      So did I, dirt…

  6. salty said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:24 am

    Well, agree to a certain extent that Sabean doesn’t like the bidding wars. But they competed for Pablo and Lester, and were rumored to be a finalist for Tomas.
    One problem is they don’t have any ML ready hitting prospects except for Susac. Williamson is still a ?. Do you give up Susac and Crick for Zobrist?
    May be a mute point, because The Rays specifically wanted another solid LH bat in their lineup, which Giants couldn’t offer.

    • salty said, on January 11, 2015 at 10:20 am

      Mooooot

  7. stickman said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Wondering now how much of this is on Sabean and where the unlit wishes of the ownership circle comes into play. They were willing to go nearly dead-out on Pablo and heavy enough on Lester and Tomas. Could be that Sabean is being squeezy with his player assets and is uncertain of which way to jump. But could it be true that the raft of better than fair minor league pitching prospects would not yield two or three whom some pitching-poor outfit would not suck up for just another outfielder?

    Methinks its not yet too late for Sabes to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

  8. salty said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:41 am

    As for Sabean doing nothing. .er, they were deeply involved in the aforementioned 3 guys as well as checking on Shields. They tried to get Zobrist. May have been others.

    They signed Peavy, Romo and traded for McG. Not overly exciting but if they are not idly sitting around oblivious to the needs of this team.
    #notasabeanapologist

  9. SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:49 am

    It is very rare that I defend the Harbaugh’s, but I thought that eligibility crap the Patriots were running yesterday was lame and I don’t blame him for bitching about it. AND I was rooting for the Patriots. I don’t like it when teams resort to eligibility tricks and fumble rooskies to put points on the board. I realize it was probably all legal,—I just don’t like it.
    FYI, I predict Cowboys beat the the Pack and that Ohio State kicks Oregon’s ass tomorrow night.

  10. willedav said, on January 11, 2015 at 10:19 am

    Picking up players during reg season a little more problematic with the extra WC added. Fewer teams feel out of it and there is more comp for players by those teams that still think they can compete, esp for hitters in this day and age. F-G had a column last season about how much easier it is in off season than mid season to add players/retool roster.
    Sabes certainly does have great historical record for finding guys who have great seasons for him off scrap heap, though that seems to work much better in even years. Odd ones, not so much.

    Giants last year added Peavy, who was sucking it up for Red sox (who were dead last at that point I think) for the eminently expendable Hembree and Escobar. And of course brought up Panik to fill black hole of 2b.

    I don’t follow giants farm teams, but gotta wonder if there is anyone ready to step in and fill role like Panik did as a position player. Especially for OF if Pagan is unable to stay healthy and regain form.

  11. Lurker John said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:10 am

    I agree Flavor. Considering what the A’s gave up to get Zobrist, Sabean not making a pitch for him is weak. Zobrist would have been a good solution in LF, where the Giants are once again looking at the prospect of Gregor Blanco as their everyday LF. I love Blanco, but he’s better as a utility guy and the Giant’s bench needs the depth.

  12. snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Blanco was fine as the fill in guy for Morse late innings, and Pagan when he goes down occasionally with whatever is the latest injury. But, Blanco can’t be the starting LF out of STraining. Can’t happen…

  13. Alleykat said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:53 am

    Yeah like Loo said: Sabean’s off season ends at the trade deadline…
    It just what Sabes does.We all get pumped up for off-season moves or just some tweaking. But it’s always the same, “Smoke&Mirrors” saying their in on trades, but never really are.Just to try and sastify the fan base their actually making a call to another GM…

    • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:58 am

      Beane shops like a woman. She shops and shops and shops and buys all sorts of crap, mostly just for the helluvit, and some of the stuff might stick around eventually. Sabean shops like a man. He scopes stuff out away from the mall either online or some other way, finally knows exactly what we wants, goes shopping, gets it, and leaves…

      • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:09 pm

        Gloria Steinem likes your comment…

  14. snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:55 am

    Players of both Ohio State and Oregon were gifted headphones. This is all OK by NCAA rules. The rules allow the schools whose teams are in the championship game to gift their players something as long as the value is no more than $400. Isn’t that special? The players play a game that rakes in scores of millions for the NCAA and the networks, and they get $400 apiece in return. I’d call that more than fair…

  15. Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:55 am

    Diggity, you think Ohio St will “kick their ass?” Wow, I can’t support that wild claim but I will bow down to you if it ends up happening. Oregon is good and are playing on a different level than everyone else. As much as I don’t like Winston and think he’s overrated the Ducks made him look like a guy who had only started 3 games in his career.
    What are they gonna do to a guy who actually has only started 3 games in his career?
    Oregon 42 Ohio St 24

    • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:08 pm

      Did you check out the O/U on that game? Yikes!

      • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:12 pm

        Looks like it dropped. My friend in LV told me it was 80.5 a few days ago…

  16. Lurker John said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    I think the Ducks win their first national title.

  17. James said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    I’d credit the Giants’ organization with two conscious strategies that others could look to emulate:

    1. Keep your player budget moderately large. Aim for the B+ to A- roster. The choices you’re forced to make under the twin constraints of big contracts for key veterans and cheap used parts are not that much less likely to yield a competitive team than spending more on players you might otherwise bring in with a bigger budget. Not a new observation, of course, but Ned Coletti is a Sabean protege. Ownership probably deserves some of the plaudits, if you admire this principle.

    2. Invest in your bullpen. Because they throw 1/3 of the innings, collectively they are a huge part of your defense.

    Naturally, IMO, these aren’t worth much more than good fortune allows.

    • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 12:43 pm

      Totally agree with #2, James. Sabean is obviously a big believer in Pen strength. That’s why I think he’ll stick with grooming Strickland with that cannon fastball until he’s ready to go with a dependable slider to mix it up, or proves he’s ready to be traded ala Hembree.
      As for #1, I’m still trying to understand it…

  18. gianthead said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    I don’t follow college all that much so how does the loss of this Oregon WR effect them???

    Glad Cowboys are about to lose but just hit a 3 team parlay with the 5 point loss:) And I have a 4 team parlay and a 6 team parlay both alive with the Colts at +7. So time to go and cover a bet with the Broncos….

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:24 pm

      It impacts them mostly because they were already down one WR. But I think Mariota is such a stud it won’t matter

      • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm

        How stupid can you be to take a chance and smoke dope a few days before the first real Natl Champ game in NCAA football history? No doubt the coaches had told their brilliant Duck charges NOT to do that, and that they could be tested. Nah, it’ll be cool — I’ll smoke a bit of weed and risk not being able to show my skills before the biggest NCAA football audience in history, including every pro team’s scouts…

      • gianthead said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        Hard game to bet I think. I won an extra $125 on a free $5 bet that I forgot I did not take the Colts on. But get this I had paired the first 3 nfl games with 4 nba games on Friday, including the Warriors and two of the games with the Pacers and Suns were both frickin pushes while both teams had a lead late in those games and Phoenix was in San Antonio:)

        Hit those, it would have paid $375. Of course I had two ncaa bball parlays that would have paid $1000 yesterday if Cincy hit at +5 but noooo they lose by 6 after launching a 3 with 4 seconds left and missing, Cincy gets the rebound but the mother did not put the ball back up. Just go for two you fuckers;(

        So now need the Colts at +7 for another $500 today!!!

      • gianthead said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:43 pm

        Snarkk, I would immediately toss his ass out…what a frickin moron…

      • gianthead said, on January 11, 2015 at 2:17 pm

        Loo, does that site have betting lines????

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm

        alert: don’t ever use “impacts” as a verb. again.

  19. DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Who’s old enough to remember Steven Weed?

    • Alleykat said, on January 11, 2015 at 1:58 pm

      Patty Hearst ex boyfriend LOO?

      • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        YES!

    • ewisco said, on January 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      Steven Seaweed is on the Bone which used to be KSAN which used to be great in the 70’s and early 80’s.

      • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 3:17 pm

        that’s actually who I thought he was talking about at first… The Weedman

  20. zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    It’s become fashionable now for teams to give big money to bullpen pitchers, but the Giants were ahead of the curve on that. There were some raised eyebrows in the baseball world when the Giants gave relatively hefty contracts to Affeldt, Lopez, and Casilla. But the Core 4, Lopez, Affeldt, Casilla, and Romo have been a huge part of winning 3 rings. And now Romo got his big payday.
    Also the Giants recognized when Wilson didn’t have it anymore, but the Dodgers didn’t.
    The Giants know pitching, and of course, that’s such a huge part of baseball.

    • stickman said, on January 11, 2015 at 4:13 pm

      Good take Zooms. For those inclined to do some research, odds are that you will find that the teams lacking shut-down Bullies rarely do well in the Post-Season ~ providing they get there in the first place. Detroit may be the poster-child for that deficiency, though the LaBumbos went strong in that downward direction last season. They are reforming during this off-season. Will their BP moves be sufficient?

  21. zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    I’ll echo what SanDawg said about New England’s deception on ineligible receiver stuff; it was pretty darned cheesy, and the NFL may have to look at that in the future and tweak some rules. If the refs perceive that the defense may not have heard, for instance, that a #45 on the line is ineligible, then he should blow his whistle and stop play. It was clear that the Ravens didn’t get the message, because of the way New England rushed their snap of the ball. It’s a crappy thing to do, and just says Belichick all over it. So the Ravens ended up using a defender to guard a guy who wasn’t a receiver on the play, and the Patriots scored a touchdown.

  22. pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    Anita Ekberg dies at 83. All I can tell you is this: the New York Daily News showed a photo of her spilling out of the top of her dress, and any twelve-year-old boy who could get an erection did.

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:10 pm

      Porn has come a long way since then….

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:16 pm

        yeah, life used to be so simple…Porn? The word barely existed. All *we* had was the Daily New….or the Sears catalogue lingerie section!

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:20 pm

        I see the Nationals hired Rick Ankiel as a “life skills coordinator” coach. Would he help with stuff like this? This is a good blog topic for me to expound upon.

      • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:40 pm

        I grew up in the Kathy Ireland SI Swimsuit Issue porn years.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 11, 2015 at 5:52 pm

        Anita Ekberg was in “La Dolce Vita.” The movie featured a pesky photographer named Paparazzo . . . and that, my friends, is how we got the word “paparazzi.”

      • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 6:25 pm

        A bit earlier (decade?) than Kathy Ireland, it was Cheryl Tiegs in a fishnet that first set the SI swimsuit issue into orbit… at least for me…
        http://tinyurl.com/lj9h52t

      • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 6:45 pm

        I’ll see if I can find a more recent pic of Tiegs for this evening’s BBOTD….

      • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 11:05 pm

        Good job, BF, on the Tiegs recent photo as BBOTD. That’s some kind of senior citizen — Yowza…

  23. willedav said, on January 11, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Being a left coast guy who would love to see more respect for Pac 12 I hope Oregon wins but also because I’d like to think players make the difference, not high powered high profile coaches. In other words, not Urban Meyer or Saban or Bear Bryant or Spurrier or Bobby Bowden. I love listening to Bowden, but he could recruit 100 football players but never a kicker?

    And since OSU whupped Bama with the 3rd string guy, if they lose that’s not an acceptable excuse either. I just haven’t felt for years that SEC teams have faced many QBs of Pac 12 caliber that run innovative offenses. Hopefully Oregon is another vote against steamroller football.

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      I think OSU is getting too much credit for beating an average ‘Bama team. The 3rd string QB can throw the deep ball, let’s see what happens when Ore defends that. I still think Oregon crushes them tomorrow……

  24. SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    Let me defend my strong Ohio State prediction earlier:
    1. Oregon seems to always stub their toe and never quite get it done on the big stage.
    2. Likewise, the Spread Offense never seems to come through when it matters the most. The FB coach at my high school has coached in college and the pro’s and he says the spread is great when you have better athletes than the other guys. From what I saw the other night, OSU’s athletes can hang with anyone.
    3. Urban Meyer is a better coach. I don’t think anyone would argue that. I don’t even know the Oregon guy’s name.
    4. I WAS impressed by the win over ‘Bama. Nick Saban has a shot to go down as the best college FB coach of all time and they are a fucking NFL farm system these days. In my book, beating ‘Bama was more impressive than taking down Famous Jameis and Company.

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm

      Good argument, except I’d take issue with the football factory comment. We’re talking about the players they have today, not over the last 5 years. And the SEC that everyone likes to beat off too got nearly shut out in the bowl games this year.
      I don’t like Urban Meyer or Ohio State and so maybe I’m biased. The line has moved from 7 to 5 over the last week so a lot of people think OSU is going to win or at least keep it close.
      I’m glad I don’t have access to betting the game, I’d hammer Oregon. I don’t bet online anymore, haven’t in a few years. Too easy of access. That leaves me having to call my buddy in Reno to make the bet and he just bought a new house, he’s busy, don’t feel like asking him to get a bet down for me…
      But I might change my mind. Free money is the best money of all, right?

      • SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:04 pm

        I actually don’t like Urban or OSU either (my dad went to Iowa), but I just get a strong sense they are gonna get it done. Also meant to mention the toughness factor. I just feel like a Meyer coached OSU team is going to be tougher than a finesse spread team.
        Cracks me up that both programs earned “significant” NCAA sanctions like 2 years ago and now they are playing in the Nattie.

  25. SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    As an added bonus for reading my NCAA FB take above, I’m going to give you my nighttime cold recipe as I’m fighting a helluva head cold at the moment:

    1. Around 8 pm, pour yourself a strong bourbon-based cocktail. Snarrk and James will give me crap, but I’m partial to 2 ounces of bourbon mixed with about twice that of club soda with a dash of grenadine added. I think I am going to call that drink “The SanDawg.”
    2. After consuming that cocktail, throw down a strong shot of Ny-Quil.
    3. Go take a hot as heck shower or bath, and sip a cold beer while doing so.
    4. Brush teeth and hit the hay. Prepare to go about 20,000 Leagues deep and wake up a new man in the morning.
    5. Repeat as needed.

    • Flavor said, on January 11, 2015 at 7:54 pm

      lol, fantastic. #3 is rad but it’s almost too difficult to rate the radness of 1-5. ANd I love the “brush teeth” call, Bobby Bowden would be singing your praises right now. lqtm
      I haven’t been sick in a while but I’ll file this one away in the POTD-best of and refer to it “as needed”…..

    • xoot said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      From Jim Harrison’s great novel Wolf:

      “my old remedy for colds… first a quart of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice, then a half gallon of lukewarm water to further cleanse the system. After two hours’ rest in a dark room broil a two-to-three pound porterhouse rare and eat it with your hands with no salt. After this with your stomach swollen, distended, an extremely hot bath in the dark in which you slowly sip the best bourbon you can afford, at least a fifth, until the bottle is empty. This might take four hours depending on your capacity. Then you sleep for twenty-four hours and when you awake the world will be new and you won’t have a cold. Some people with weak systems will have hangovers but that is not my fault. I’m not a doctor. Go to your own doctor. You can go through this whole process even if you don’t have a cold and it’s equally pleasurable.”

    • snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 10:20 pm

      Keereist, I think I want to catch a cold ASAP…

  26. paulinasia said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    SD, hope you feel better. I have also found that a simple cocktail of hot orange juice and whisky works pretty well (at least in the “feeling better” category), soothes the throat and head. A few of those… snooze city. One time in my younger years, I remember having a horrible cold, and my house was having a party that night, and I pretty much chugged at least half a bottle of Wild Turkey and woke up in the morning with my cold GONE. Oh, I’d found the cure for the common cold! Tried it again a few years later the next time I had a bad cold, and woke up with the worst hangover of my life and still had the cold. So it goes. Go with what works….

    • SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      Thanks Paul. This has been the strangest cold I’ve ever had. Symptoms coming and going from day to day. It was in my chest Friday and now it is back up in my head and nose—I’ve never had one do that before. Anyhoo, steps 1 and 2 have been done and I’m off to the shower.

  27. zumiee said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Dodger fans wondering if Ethier could be traded to the Giants:

    I wouldn’t mind dealing Ethier to the Giants.

    by silverwidow on Jan 11, 2015 | 12:22 PM

    Would be a nice gesture, allowing Ethier to win the 2016 World Series MVP

    by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2015 | 12:29 PM

    After hitting a clinching NLCS home run off of Kershaw (Dre’s first hit off of a left in all 2016). The blog responds with comments about how the 75 degree night time weather in SF took some of the spin from Kershaw’s curve.

    I guess I’m bitter

    by Lex in South Central on Jan 11, 2015 | 12:31 PM

  28. unca_chuck said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Bold prediction, ‘Dawg. Don’t think it’ll come to ass, but one never knows. I’d say 52-14.

    O/U, is 80?

  29. SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    So, there is a mechanic in a not-so-great area of San Diego that I have been going to for years. I absolutely love the guy and his staff. Saturday he is open 8 to Noon, so I got there early yesterday to have some work done on my van. I brought my bike as I have a friend that lives a couple miles from there and I needed to drop something off at his house. Plus there is a great, cheap, breakfast place near his house called “Lucky’s Golden Phoenix.” (You must check it out if you are ever in SD.) Lucky is an old Asian who runs the place all by himself and loves to talk about football. So I go by my friends house and then Lucky’s, and as I’m nearing the mechanic on my bike, I see this pretty hot chick on the sidewalk coming my way. Pretty face, sexy hair, nice rack and body etc. Then, when I’m in the waiting room waiting for my van (which is right on the busy street), she saunters by back and forth a couple of more times. Obviously, I was a little slow on the uptake, but I finally realized she must be a prostitute. Now, i didn’t do anything. I WOULDN’T do anything, but I’d be lying if I said the thought didn’t at least cross my mind. I mean, get laid, plus a tune up and brake job all by noon on Saturday??? It got me thinking though. I’m a little naive on these matters. How does it work when you pick up a city prostitute? Is the rate hourly or by the job? Does she have a motel lined up or is that on the John to figure out? Would most simply use their car? Would anyone be so bold as to bring the whore back to their house—if that was an option? That sounds crazy, but so does a flea bag motel with her pimp in next room. What kind of dollar figure are we talking about here?
    I’m not asking anyone to come clean about their history on this, just give some details on how this works in the real worl–if you happen to know these things.
    I apologize if this topic is over the line. I’m sick and my mind is addled with a combination of Maker’s, NyQuil, and Miller High LIfe.

    • DJLoo said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:51 pm

      Why don’t you just ask Lucky?

    • Macdog said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:04 pm

      The hell with the zoo next time I visit San Diego.

  30. paulinasia said, on January 11, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Re: Ethier…. I’ve always kind of *liked* him (if it’s possible to like a Dodger)…. but it’s hard to tell how he would do in SF, since he’s just been a part-timer for awhile. And did I really see that Blanco’s numbers were better than him last year? Hmmm….

    • paulinasia said, on January 11, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      Damn, my post appeared most unfortunately right after SD’s hooker musings…. what a way to kill a post… Um, SD, i could take a guess about all that, but you’d have to convert the prices from Vietnamese dong to dollars. :-p

  31. snarkk said, on January 11, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    Linus Pauling, the king of Vitamin C and an Oregon State grad (and a Nobel Prize in chemistry and the Peace prize, too), took something like 2 or 3 GRAMs of Vitamin C every day for years. Never got a cold, and recommended tons of Vitamin C when you feel one coming on. I recommend about 2 or 3 500 mg tablets of C per day for 2 days starting the day you feel the cold coming on. Drink 3 or 4 glasses of orange juice, too. Also, I swear by that Zicam stuff (spray in mouth is best), which has zinc. It really works for me, cuts down the severity of the cold, and recovery time seems faster. But, you’ve got to use it ASAP after the symptoms start, and keep doing it for about the first 3 days of the cold. BTW, Linus lived to about 94. Not sure if he ever made it down to auto repair row in Diego. But, Dawg, if you partake of some that stuff other than car repair, you better be careful or you might need more than Vitamin C … 😉

  32. willedav said, on January 12, 2015 at 7:39 am

    Chicken soup, SD, seriously; like a lot of stuff, Chinese figured that out eons ago. Tea (may varieties are restorative but I just use green) with lemon and honey is all I ever do if I get the plague. I’m lucky, because I haven’t missed a day of work in years.

    As to toughness, that’s another bugaboo that I hope gets erased by Oregon–that all west coast teams are finesse pussies. It’s BS–Oregon whipped Stanford and they mostly play boring smashmouth in classic Shaw style (which I hate) and have a very tough nationally ranked D that has to face great offenses of Pac 12.
    Oregon is tough enough to shut those guys down and hopefully get the finesse label “outta here.”

  33. Flavor said, on January 12, 2015 at 8:45 am

    new thread


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