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Max Scherzer to the Nats

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 19, 2015

Scherzer, as all of you probably know, is off the table after signing a 7 year/210 million dollar deal with the Nats. This carries on a predictable theme where I would have been happy to have the player on my team but I’m relieved he signed somewhere else.

That leaves Big (regular season) Game James Shields as the final landmine to a miss this Winter…..

Casey McGehee and Nori Aoki better be really, REALLY good at baseball….

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  1. willedav said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:48 am

    Nats deal is interesting, adding another top flight (and expensive) SP to go with what they have.
    They do, however, have Fister and J Zim plus Desmond and Span as potential FAs next year., and they did lose pen guys.
    Could they deal off one of them for younger prospects and save $$$?
    Regardless, Nats were already tough, and NL East teams road just got more difficult.
    Bloggers on MLBTR wondered if this move prods Dodgers to grab Hamels.

    That’s becoming an increasing story for teams–do you trade for a guy who is only under contract for 1 season and could then be eligible for FA? Do you give up players/prospects with the uncertainty of whether you can keep the guy you dealt for, regardless of how much he helps your team?

    Often this is a high quality player that would be expensive to retain, like a Justin Upton, esp if he played well.
    Or do you go the Beane route, trading the guy you aren’t interested in signing (Cespedes, Samardz) and trying to reload as best you can?

    These next 2 weeks of SB hype are gonna be awful, and game is unwatchable.
    Maybe someone will put together clip of Belichik’s frowning 2 second answers to questions he doesn’t like, which is pretty much all of them.
    Listening to Pete carroll and the hawks is not an option.

    • Lurker John said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      Have to disagree that Justin Upton is a high-quality player at any time. Way too erratic and way too messed up in the head. Clubhouse cancer, that one.

  2. unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2015 at 10:45 am

    Zumie, yeah I love P.K. Dick (snicker snicker). A Scanner Darkly is insanely tense and nutty in a not-SF-at-all Cheech and Chong stoner kind of way. Can’t get myself to see the movie though.

    If you haven’t read it, Read The Transmigration of Timothy Archer. A strange and magical trip through Berkeley and the Bay Area in the mid 70s.

    I’m glad he was able to bask in the glory of “Electric Sheep” as the favorable reviews of his book, and the movie, as being milestones in the genre, were rolling in when he died. Minority Report, Paycheck, The Adjustment Bureau, Total Recall, and of course Blade Runner are all novels or short stories of his.

    • zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 11:39 am

      Yeah, he got to experience some of the big success and recognition in the last couple of years before he passed away. I’ve been wanting to get around to reading more of his stuff.

  3. zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 11:41 am

    So the NFL is investigating whether Belicheat and the Pats used under-inflated footballs during yesterday’s game. It just never seems to stop with that team.
    The Pats vs. the Seahawks in the Schmuck Bowl

    • Alleykat said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:46 pm

      Yeah that whole story about the football’s has really left me feeling deflated.

    • snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      How would anybody know or suspect that, unless somebody ratted on the Pats?
      I find it hard to believe the deflation was so pronounced when the Pats had the ball that that the refs could have noticed when they spotted the ball. Then, on punts kicked by the Pats, they subbed in a regularly-inflated ball? It’s like the Rockies and their Humidor…

  4. unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2015 at 11:43 am

    The more I see deals like this, the more I don’t understand teams ignoring their pens. And I’m not even thinking about the Dogs, who threw stupid money to 3 separate closers that flamed out.

    Someone said the other day that the Gismts were giving pretty sizable deals to the likes of Affeldt and Romo and Lopez, while avoiding paying Wilson.

    This is smart beyond belief, and teams still don’t get it. For as good as your SP is, they aren’t always gonna be money.
    Having a few someones able to come in and fill that gap is big. As a lot of teams found out in these last playoffs.

    Those monster deals don’t help when your $120 mill starter is on the ropes in the 4th inning and the long reliever is a gas/can-in-waiting.

    • zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 11:46 am

      I didn’t see your post when I posted something similar below. 🙂

    • Lurker John said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:25 pm

      Good points. The G’s bullpen has been such a huge part of three Championships that it’s hard to argue otherwise. It’s one reason I think resigning Romo is a bigger deal than it might look on the surface. Keeping a savvy, experienced and highly successful pen together is big for S.F.

  5. zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 11:45 am

    The Scherzer deal is now being reported as 7 years/210 million.
    The Nats can have it. The Giants still have a better bullpen than the Nats. And the Giants exposed weakness in the Nats’ batting order. Plus the Nats have lost LaRoache or LaRouche or however you spell it. The pundits will pick the Nats and Dodgers in the NLCS for this season, but that’s who they picked for LAST season, too, for the NLCS, and how did that work out for the pundits?

    • Lurker John said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      I think it’s LaDouche.

  6. unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    Yeah as far as football goes I ain’t watching anything until kickoff in 2 weeks.

    I just hope the Niners get Chudzinski for their OC. Kiffen or Trestman or Shanny (!!!) would all be utter disasters. Chud does well with TEs and guided Cam Newton his first year.

    • Nipper said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      Suffer Chuck ……the Niners never listen to you. Well at least you have a nice looking dog.

    • xoot said, on January 19, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      Lane Kiffen as the 49er OC would sicken so many fans so seriously blackouts might begin. TV blackouts.

      • xoot said, on January 19, 2015 at 3:15 pm

        I guess that should be “Kiffin.” wtf cares. (You know who I mean and why.)

  7. zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    An unintentionally humorous article about the Dodgers indoctrinating their young players in the new Dodger Way during a Power Point presentation.
    http://dodgers.mlblogs.com/2015/01/15/an-energizing-moment-for-the-dodgers/

  8. Lurker John said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    Christ, how much pitching does one team need? 7 years/$180M is ridiculous and stupid and the Giants have no business signing a pitcher to a contract like that, but for now the Nats have a hell of a starting rotation. The free agent pricing has truly gone off the reservation.

  9. Alleykat said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    That’s some serious Starting Firepower for the Nats:
    Scherzer
    Strausberg
    Zimmerman
    Gonzales
    Fister
    Though I heard they were thinking of trading Zimmerman, but why? Can’t think they can resign him? Screw that ,go for it all with that staff.

    • zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      The only downside to that 5 (if it’s even a downside) is that a team doesn’t need 5 strong starting pitchers for the playoffs. Other than the Nats, the NL East is kind of weak this season, so the Nats are going to roll to the division title anyway. So maybe at some point they trade one of those guys to get better bullpen help, or another hitter.
      Plus Zimmerman is a free agent next season.

      • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 2:25 pm

        Sometimes one is enough…

      • unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        Hah!!

        Bingo!

  10. Flavor said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    Fowler to the Cubs for Val(no)bueno and Strailly. Irritating, I wanted him for something lame and cheap like this…..

    • zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:53 pm

      Maybe they balked at Dexter’s salary for 2015, $9.5 million. But you’re right, Houston was ready to unload Dexter and his salary for not all that much in trade value.

    • paulinasia said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:54 pm

      Yeah, saw that, and knew you’d be commenting about it. Some keep saying Giants don’t have enough trade bait, but it’s just not true when you see what some of these players are acquired for…. G’s could’ve done this.

  11. paulinasia said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    After the World Series ended, there were (as there always are) stories about some of the teams who had been favored but didn’t make it to the promised land (Dodgers, Nats, Angels, etc.) and what do they have to do to reach the pinnacle. Some stories about the Nats were saying things like the team has been good enough to win it all the past few years but they’ve missed these opportunities, and their “window is closing”, meaning…. they are about to enter a *win now at all cost* mode. I guess they’re thinking that $210m is the cost for trying to win now and obviously hoping that *now* continues for 7 years. Scherzer is very good, but the Nats will likely be paying a lot of money for some not very good years near the end of that deal…

    • zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 5:56 pm

      They mentioned on the MLB Network that the Nats’s principle owner is 89 years old or something like that. He has high urgency to win it all now.

      • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 6:02 pm

        Probably has high urgency to urinate, too…

    • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 6:03 pm

      Zito’s deal looking like a bargain these days…

  12. gianthead said, on January 19, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Reporting from the land of DC, some clarification is needed. #1 Papa Lerner is 89 but he is not running the show. His sons are and there has never been any indication Papa Lerner is that engaged as owner.

    #2, The Lerners are absolutely loaded. Big commercial real estate moguls. They had been thought of as tight-fisted, but I think this may be the year they go over the 3 million attendance mark and the money is flowing.

    #3, the deal is for $210 mill but half is essentially deferred. So I think that is a real savvy deal for both sides that really should not hamstring them in any discernible way near term. So I don’t think that they dump any pitchers and go for it knowing it is an odd year and Giants will likely not be in it. I think they end up resigning Jordan Zimmerman after the season and let Fister walk and then try and trade Strasburg.

    #4, I’d rather see the Nats at full guns ready to destroy the Dodgers if the F-Heads even make the playoffs next year.

  13. paulinasia said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    “… knowing it is an odd year and Giants will likely not be in it.” It’s a little funny how this every other year thing has almost become gospel. I would love to see execs from other teams planning their moves in the off-season and actually saying, “Well, it’s an odd year, so we don’t have to worry about the Giants”…. 🙂 Would love to see trend end this year.

    • Flavor said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:27 pm

      hilarious. I am going to laugh about this quietly to myself as I drift off to sleep.

      • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        At 7:30???

    • blade3colorado said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:46 pm

      Spot on. I don’t believe in ghosts, tooth fairy, Santa Claus, Abominable Snow Man, Elvis is alive, and the Giants ONLY winning, much less planning for the EVEN years. Next . . .

  14. pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    My doomeritis has been so squashed by the 2014 title (just for today, one day at a time) I don’t care if the Nationals have three guys named Cy Young and a Gibson and a Marichal, we can still somehow beat them again. Magic.

    • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      Any update on this Saturday, Pawlie?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:03 pm

        just sent you an email (and I had not even seen this; must be clairvoyant);

  15. pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Angel Pagan is the first player in MLB history to hit his first two career homers on his birthday. And did it as a Cub!

  16. blade3colorado said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    I’m not an ESPN Insider, so I don’t know how the last part of this Buster Olney column ends . . . However, what he did write about the Nationals Scherzer signing is telling. In short, it doesn’t really improve the team. It even seems redundant and a waste of money. This is what I read . . .

    “Max Scherzer will join an already-formidable rotation anchored by Jordan Zimmermann.
    The Washington Nationals have agreed to a seven-year contract with Max Scherzer for a reported $210 million, half of it deferred — Scherzer reportedly will receive $15 million annually for 14 years — the most ever spent on a free-agent pitcher, the most ever paid out to a right-handed pitcher and the second-most dollars doled out for any pitcher, with the deal slotting in behind Clayton Kershaw’s and ahead of Felix Hernandez’s.

    With that kind of payout, the Nationals can reasonably expect a marked upgrade in 2015, yes?

    Well … not really.

    Scherzer is an outstanding pitcher who has 492 strikeouts in his past 434 2/3 innings, and perhaps he’ll be the guy who pushes the Nationals to a place they haven’t gone before, the World Series.

    But if Washington had maintained the status quo with its rotation — arguably the best in the majors as it was — the Nationals probably would’ve had an excellent chance to get to the postseason again. Here is the WAR (wins above replacement) for each member of the Nats’ rotation in 2014:

    Jordan Zimmermann 4.9
    Doug Fister 4.5
    Stephen Strasburg 3.5
    Gio Gonzalez 2.3
    Tanner Roark 5.1

    That’s a tremendous group, reflected in its cumulative 20.3 WAR, and there really is no reason to think that quintet wouldn’t do something close to that in 2015, or maybe even better. Fister, who turns 31 in a couple of weeks, is the oldest of the group, and seems to be getting better and better. Gonzalez is 29, Roark is 28, Zimmermann is 28 and Strasburg is 26.”

  17. zumiee said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    A song about Willie Mays by a guy that records by the name: The Great Silver Bear.

  18. Macdog said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    The Knicks winning today might be a bigger miracle than the Seahawks comeback.

  19. snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    2014:

    Aoki and Blanco had 993 plate appearances, a total 6 HRs.
    McGehee had 691 PAs, a total of 4 HRs.
    That’s a total of 1684 PAs with 10 HRs, or about 1 HR every 168 PAs

    Morse had 482 PAs and hit 16 HRs.
    Panda had 638 PAs and hit 16 HRs.
    That’s a combined 1120 PAs and 32 HRs, or 1 HR every 35 PAs.

    So, the 2015 LF and 3b HR production rate looks to be about 1/5 of what it was in 2014.
    Who is going to make that up? Belt? Posey? Who?…

    • Macdog said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      Hopefully MadBum can maintain his HR every 19.5 PA rate from last year.

      • snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:10 pm

        He’s got a good arm. Hey, a left handed throwing 3bman — maybe he can play 3B the first two circuits through the Giants lineup…

      • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:13 pm

        I think Billy Martin once played Mattingly at third…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:45 pm

        Dale Long = left-handed catcher and third baseman, I am pretty sure.

    • James said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:11 pm

      Well, the Giants could choose to give Blanco the majority of the playing time over Aoki. You would then at least enjoy Gregor’s 1 HR per 90 PAs from the LF spot. 🙂

      • snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:25 pm

        It’s like an Andy Baggarly question in Jeopardy.
        Answer: A Blanco HR and PMS.
        Question: What happens once a month?…

    • DJLoo said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:11 pm

      The guys they get on July 31st…

  20. willedav said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    Justin Upton’s career numbers compare pretty favorably with those of Hunter Pence, who is under contract for about $16 mil. In a less than hitter favorable yard in ATL he put up dang good numbers last year, better than any Giant not named Posey.
    So if he were a Giant he’d be best hitting OF or close second and far ahead of Pagan Blanco Perez, or Dexter Fowler. WAR has him at over 3.0, again about even with Pence, and Pence is definitely a quality player in this day and age of declining offense.

    Head case? Apparently he wasn’t a fav of noted jerk Kirk Gibson and got traded away. How did that work out last 2 yrs for Gibson and AZ?

    I think the larger issue is giving up something to get someone who can immediately turn FA after 1 season.
    This scenario didn’t work for Sabes with Beltran and I could see him being scared off from repeating it.

    • James said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:52 pm

      He would have been a very nice addition to the team. Of course, if they had obtained Upton, it would surely have been his erratic 820 OPS that kept SF from the 2015 title.

  21. snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    Dubs beat the Nuggets today in Oakland by 43 points. 43 points. Every guy on the Dubs active roster scored. I’ll admit I haven’t given an S for the NBA in about 20 years. But, these guys have me paying attention. New franchise record of 16 straight home wins. Gotta just hope nobody key gets badly hurt for the season, and they’re not peaking early. These guys are playing team ball at an exceptional level…

  22. pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    lefty 3b: mattingly, squires, valdez, francona

    • pawliekokonuts said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      and bressler

    • snarkk said, on January 19, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      I’ve never seen that. Would like to see it…

  23. willedav said, on January 20, 2015 at 7:14 am

    Blade, given the Nats rotation is what opens speculation they dump someone to fill other needs. MLBTR has been saying for a while J Zim was the guy on the block. Fister and Span are also gonna be FAs, and could help a lot of teams (hint hint). Maybe scherzer is insurance for what they feel they will lose anyway.
    Which is what I’ve been talking about–how much are teams willing to give up for a potential FA that could only be around for 1 season? If the guy does well and helps your team, what do you have to offer him in terms of years and dollars to keep him? Depending on how he fits in and how team does, will such a player just decide to bolt anyway and go get best possible top $$$$ deal? Talent aside, it’s definitely a gamble.

    Rays took not very much for Zobrist, one part time C/DH and 2 guys from High A. And Beane likely flips him instead of trying to negotiate a new contract. Beane dealt his top SS prospect for Samardzjia, who wasn’t anything spectacular, and then traded him away for IF help rather than try and re-sign him.

    Interesting to see how this plays out for players involved. Maybe Upton Zobrist etc. will still be available next year too.

  24. Flavor said, on January 20, 2015 at 8:18 am

    A more recent and better thread now exists……


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