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So Far, The Giants Suck

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 18, 2015

If Bochy isn’t worried about his team right now, he’s definitely frustrated with it. They have the worst SP ERA in spring training and they’re hitting .235 (which I haven’t looked up but it doesn’t sound good).

He went off on them to the media yesterday in an effort, I’m assuming, to wake their asses up.

Pagan’s back is hurting again, by the way.

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  1. Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:56 am

    The team might not be ready for the start of the season, but the marketing group is in full swing. Anyone rushing out to get the Craw Claw?

  2. blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:57 am

    Is the Craw Claw sold on the same aisle and shelf where the Panda hats were located?

    • Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:12 am

      What do they do with all the extra Panda hats? Will they have a monster sale, sell them at cost to the Sox, donate them to the Hmong children in the Chinese mountains? If it was up to me I’d slap a Grateful dead logo on em and call them the Dead Bear hats.

  3. blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:17 am

    “donate them to the Hmong children in the Chinese mountains?”

    I like this idea (still laughing). Actually, this idea isn’t far fetched. For example, when the Sea Chickens did their “whoops” in the Super Bowl, where do you think all those Super Bowl championship t-shirts, hats, etc., ended up? Yep, in 3rd world countries.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:19 am

      Same place all those President Romney t-shirts ended up.

    • Lurker John said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:20 am

      Best whoops in the history of sports.

  4. blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:23 am

    Here’s where they go . . .


    • Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:26 am

      I like it.

      Hey remember when someone broke into the Visitors clubhouse or bus at the Stick? The Giants had to lend Houston some gear and unis until they could get replacements in. For a few years there, many of the kids in Hunters Point would sport Astros stuff. I’m not into people stealing stuff but I have to admit that did crack me up.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:11 am

        I vaguely recall that John, but for the life of me, I tried Googling it seven ways from Sunday and couldn’t find an article link to the incident. Know it happened, but can’t find a record of it.

      • Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:50 am

        I guess it was back in 84. I found this NY Times article on it, http://tinyurl.com/pcorwux
        I didn’t remember them catching anyone, but I guess it was pretty easy to spot the kids to question.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:04 am

        Ahh, that’s why I didn’t find anything – I Googled stolen Houston Astro uniforms in various ways and should have inserted gloves, bats, equipment, etc.

  5. paulinasia said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:30 am

    Bochy knows more than most people that it takes an entire season to get to the post-season. Duh. So, yeah, he’s not likely *worried*. But he’s also seen 2011… and 2013… and I’m guessing he doesn’t want to have to sit through (stand through, at the dugout railing, in his case) another year like those. I don’t know how he stayed sane watching all of those unwatchable games in June and July last year after the G’s racked up the best record in baseball into early June and then tanked in almost historical proportions for a couple of months. I’m guessing he won’t be so patient this time if the boys aren’t playing the way he wants them to. Calm but firm, Daddy Bruce…

  6. willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:48 am

    There are guys who are hitting well–Belt, Mac and Duffy are all over .350. I don’t think ST stats amount to much, esp for vet guys, whether good or bad.
    As Zum pointed out the pitchers that have been raked last couple days aren’t ml guys. Even in ST, ml hitters can chew up minor league pitching.

    Pagan’s back though, is a definite hmmnn.
    Ishi played some LF yesterday along with Perez, and Brown was in CF along with Blanco. With Pence out, that’s the OF. double hmmnn.. .

  7. Lurker John said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:19 am

    I’m not concerned about it. As long as they start playing well by the end of ST, they should be fine. Too many ST wonders have ended up doing squat in the regular season to put much stock in W-L records. As for Pagan, the G’s can ill afford another season with him on the DL. I thought his back was supposed to be fine.

  8. Irish Kevin said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Why am I not surprised that Pa Gone is hurting? I still say he plays in less than 100 games.

    • willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:37 am

      That would really suck. Unless all the dink singles hitters, and Giants have a lot of them, really hit for high avg. I don’t think opposing teams are gonna give Posey Pence at 4-5 spots much to swing at.
      Pagan is also best base stealer, so that my fear is a lot of station to station baseball, and return of “torture” ball.

      • Irish Kevin said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:28 am

        That is what the Giants get for giving someone a 4 year contract for helping them win a WS ONE time!! Pretty much useless the next 4 years.

  9. willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:27 am

    Just saw that Serge Ibaka of OKC will likely miss last month of season. He’s a cool player who has improved his scoring, and great inside defender and rebounder. OKC could get screwed out of last playoff spot and first round match up with Dubs by NO.
    NO has its own injury issues, with Jrue Holiday out since mid-January and Ryan Anderson Cal Bear stretch 4 outside shooter out for last month with MCL issue. They are tough inside with Antonio Davis and Omer Asik, but Dubs have more guys that can score in different ways, esp off bench.

    Watched Corey Hawkins of UC Davis play pretty well last night in L to Stanford in NIT. He is good 3 pt shooter who can put it on the floor and can score in variety of ways (unlike rest of his team). Flav, he used a great stop and go hesitation move to score from outside on drive to hoop and scored off Steph Curry like behind back dribble in place to create space to get off a 3.
    These type of change speed moves just as effective if not more so than change of direction. I think Steph is gonna inspire a lot of guys to try and copy what he does off the dribble.

  10. Chipower9 said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:49 am

    Yeah, can’t blame Bochy for being frustrated. While I have not followed the ST games or news closely, the article today points out that our boys flat out SUCK. Sure, it is only ST, but the regular season is quickly approaching, and they need to start playing good ball consistently.

    Pagan is a quandry. When he reported to camp in February, he said he was 100%. Now? Who the fuck knows. Lower back stiffness, and they are unsure if it is in the same area on which he had surgery for the bulging disc. Backs are a tricky proposition…we can only hope that Pagan does not go the way of Scoots.

    Great quote from Bochy re: their first day off this spring…

    “I have huge plans. I’m getting a haircut. With my head, that’s three hours.” — Bochy, when asked what he’s doing with his day off.

    • Alleykat said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:24 am

      Yeah with that dome their’s probably 3 barbers doing 1 hour shifts…

  11. pawliekokonuts said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:51 am

    Loo’s comment yesterday about the outfielder who watched Ishi’s homer sail over his head: I didn’t put it together, that it was Taveras. So, think of it. That’s his very last moment as a baseball player. It sure underscores the psychic climb the Cardinals face, though if any organization will meet the challenge, it is likely to be theirs.

  12. unca_chuck said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Yeah, I figured Pagan may be a problem. Backs are iffy to begin with. Have a surgery and it makes it even iffier. Baseball isn’t very easy on the back for someone who is healthy let alone a 34 year old.

  13. wilcojoe said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:19 am

    With Pence out and Pagone being Pagone, has there ever been a door more wide open than the one in front of Gary Brown? If this guy can’t play his way into a roster spot now, he might as well find a new career path.

  14. Alleykat said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:19 am

    Well let’s hope Pagan got several opinions besides are crack medical staff before he had his surgery..

  15. wilcojoe said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:30 am

    An Opening Day outfield of Aoki, Blanco and Ishi is a very distinct possibility.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:36 am

      I would be down with that. I put zero credence in spring training numbers. Ishi is a better hitter then he was during his first rodeo here and I think he would thrive in a starting job. Yeah, I know his background of being a utility player his entire career and his age. However, the dude has put in the time to work on his hitting. He can turn on a fastball – something 3/4 of this lineup can’t do. If he is the replacement until Pence returns, I am fine with it.

      Go Ishi! Go Aoki! Go Blanco! Go Giants!

      • gianthead said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:08 pm

        Blade, Blade, Blade…the triumvirate of Aoki, Blanco and Ishikawa should scare the living shit out of Giants fans the world around…

      • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:22 pm

        Dude, they are playing for the Giants, not my fantasy league team. Believe me, they’ll suffice until Pagan and Pence are back.

    • Flavor said, on March 18, 2015 at 11:58 am

      I’m ok with that outfield for a month. As I’ve said, I don’t think any of those guys can cobble together a full season of production at this point in their careers…..

      • DJLoo said, on March 18, 2015 at 5:44 pm

        Me too. If the month is December…

  16. zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Regarding the leftover Panda hats, they’ll probably do with them what they did with the leftover Wilson beard stuff and other remaindered stuff: they have a day (or maybe more) where they have a big sale, with cut-rate prices. They set up a big tent right next to the Dugout store near the Marichal statue, and put the stuff on tables and in piles, and there’s a cash register area set up in the tent to do the transactions. I happened to be at a game last year when they were doing that. I didn’t buy anything, but there was some OK stuff in there. I didn’t see too many people buying the Brian Wilson stuff, but there were some Giants hats and other merchandise that was selling. The prices were very low.

    • Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      Can you still get the Bonds rubber chickens?

  17. Hargesheimer said, on March 18, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    It could just be that regression is finally catching up to them.

  18. zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    The Dodgers’ ST record looks alright, but below the surface of that, not everything is hunky-dory.
    McCarthy, starting pitcher, lit up today, ERA at 8.0.
    Crawford hitting .200.
    Puig at .174.
    A-Gon at .192.
    Ethier (who they were hoping would have a great ST so they could find someone wanting to trade for him) at .200.
    Uribe at .130.

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 18, 2015 at 3:37 pm

      So, McCarthy is only a little better than Bummer, then.

      • zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 3:44 pm

        Except their Springs are trending in opposite directions.

      • DJLoo said, on March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm

        So are my balls…

  19. blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    Is there anyone in spring training playing better then Kris Bryant of the Cubs? I doubt it. The phenom has 6 bombs (3 more then anyone else) and is batting over .425, yet from all indications the loser Cubs are going to send him back to the minors because they don’t want his “free agency clock” to begin too early. Yeah, I know most teams do this. However, the Cubs have no excuse. One hundred plus years of not winning a World Series is evidence enough. Anywho, Scott Boras – whom I normally love to hate – has a point about whether the Cubs are “. . . interested more in money or winning?”


    • zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      Yeah, the Cubs are crazy if this guy doesn’t break camp with the major league squad.

    • Flavor said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      I thought you said earlier today that ST stats are meaningless. lol

      • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm

        They are 9 times out of 10, especially with vets that know they have a spot on the roster regardless of what happens/how they perform. Shit Flav, you know that . . . or do you?

        This kid has consistently obliterated pitching at all levels. He is either 1 or 2 on Keith Law’s top prospects in all of baseball. We’re talking almost a sure thing if you get my drift.

  20. gianthead said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    The numbers from our expected starters and go to bullpen arms have really not been bad…the lineup is unquestionably the worst one they have trotted out since 2008.

    I think unfortunately this is going to be a disaster. I thought we would be lucky to hit 80 wins, I am not sure we hit 70 wins. Bochy maybe should have spoke up and lit a fire under fucking ownership for sitting on its hands with the Cubanos and I still think Nelson Cruz was the big fish that got away when it would have taken a simple 3 year $60 mill deal. I never saw any indication that we really even talked to him. That is pathetic, but I am not putting things on Sabean. I think those in ownership who made their billions trading assets rather look at bottom lines than how to compete longer-term with the salary constraints the team has for 2015. After 3X5, ownership said lets add offensive pieces that will allow us to 4X6 or 5X7…..but noooooooooo. The strategy seems to me to be “Wait for the Odd Year!”

    • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      GH, the last I checked, they haven’t even started the season yet. So, you’re giving up on them now? Hilarious.

      • wilcojoe said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:06 pm

        Nah, GH just wants to be the first in line to say I told you so, if/when his prediction comes true. The reality is that outfield has the potential to be historically bad. Sure Pence should be back by mid-may, but Pagan could go the way of glass Sanchez and Scutaro. Aoki is a fourth outfielder on most teams, yet he will likely be our number one OF come opening day. The starting rotation as we all know is a huge question mark after Bum and Cain. Who knows if Romo will be 100% and Casilla has yet to find the strike zone (sure there is plenty of time). I think anyone would be foolish in ignoring this spring training and not preparing themselves that this team could struggle mightily.

      • Bozo said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:20 pm

        Yeah Wilco, but I think GH wanted to go into rebuilding mode around last June, personally, I’m good with our outcome from last year. So I think I’ll just prepare myself that this team could just win another Championship while struggling mightily early on. And yeah, I read that the ” Padres won the offseason”, did they get a ring for that?

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 19, 2015 at 3:54 am

      You appear to be an optimist.

  21. pawliekokonuts said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    For every Clint Hartung or Randy Elliott, there’s a…help me here…Aoki? I’m concerned but not at all alarmed. I’ve always said, no one likes to lose, even in ST. Losing can become a bad habit. And historically, in my mind, the Giants are a team that needs a good start.

  22. willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    Loo with the POTD at 5;44. December, LOL.
    All those who were down on Morse in LF, you’d rather have Ishi out there? wow. As a LH, how many more HRs you really think he is gonna connect for ATT?

    Here’s the thing about LA–they have either 6 or maybe 9 games vs. SF without Pence. Lose 7 of those and it costs you 5 games in standings. Dodgers still have good LU and 3 top line SPs (at least for reg season).
    Giants unlikely to get help from bottom of division which will still suck and have to hope LA doesn’t kill those teams like they did last year.

    • Flavor said, on March 18, 2015 at 7:53 pm

      Ishi > Morse? That wasn’t a question ever posed, was it? If it was a choice between the 2 I’d definitely take Morse. I think everyone would.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 18, 2015 at 8:03 pm

      Willie, who is even talking about Morse? That train has left the station. Same deal with Sandoval. This is the team we have. Hey, I get it that you have the entire team buried before game 1.

      Me? I’m going to wait until at least the All Star break before passing judgement and more likely, the trade deadline, before rendering my verdict. This team has surprised too many times in the last 5 years for me to doubt them on March 18th.

      • willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:07 pm

        I’m saying bask time is over in a month and it’s time to play ball. Everyone starts 0-0, and the rings are old news. I think given the fact SF was losing a couple decent hitters they could have acquired one for either 3b or the OF better than what they did, and I think that will have a negative affect on how many runs they score.

        I haven’t buried the Giants at all, I just don’t think everything is all hunky dory and this is the best of all possible worlds cause Sabes rules it. I feel they are no worse than second in West, but I’d feel better with one more quality stick, and losing Pence and Pagan (if he really is out) only makes things harder. Other teams improved themselves; I don’t think SF did. If you do, or don’t think they need to, fine.

        I only mentioned Morse for the complaints of how bad an OF he was, because Ishikawa is NOT an OF either. He’s a life long 1b who doesn’t run well.

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 19, 2015 at 3:55 am

      You mean that SF is unlikely to help itself, then?

  23. Macdog said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Giants haven’t had a losing record in spring training since 2008 (9-23). I have no idea what that means.

  24. vogelsheiner said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    Allen Craig. What do you give for him?

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 19, 2015 at 3:56 am

      Does Sabean have anything the Sawx would even want?

  25. snarkk said, on March 18, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    I think Bryant of the Cubs only needs to stay down in the minors for something like two weeks, and the Cubs save one extra year of FAgency on him. No doubt they’ll do that — those two weeks will save millions…

  26. zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    I love ya, Willie, but I’m going to go counter-point on a few things. There’s not a certainty that Pence will be out until mid-May. The window could have him back as early as mid-April, but probably at the end of April. Since when is he like any other baseball player we’ve ever seen?
    And, in my opinion, the Dodgers took a step back in the off-season. I guess I’ll have to be convinced that losing Kemp, Ramirez, and Gordon won’t put a big hit on their lineup. And their bullpen still isn’t very good, even when Jansen gets back; and when will he get back? The Dodgers don’t know. They don’t have a time-table on his return at the moment. And how will he be when he comes back? I could see their bullpen giving away a lot of games this season. Donnie 2x will be tempted to stretch his starters, and that killed the Dodgers in the playoffs last season. He had no 7th inning guy he could trust against the Cardinals.
    And Grandal really sucks at catcher. I can hardly believe how bad he is. There’s NO WAY Kershaw pitches to that guy. Pencil in Ellis as opening day catcher. I’ll eat a hat if Grandal catches Kershaw. Then Greinke’s going to be wondering why he’s stuck with Grandal. That should be more fun times for the Dodger clubhouse.
    The Padres? I’ll have to see it to believe it. There’s a lot of questions about their squad, especially on defense.
    The Giants might still have to get in via Wild Card, but the Dodgers and Padres aren’t world-beaters. I don’t think any team in MLB has got it all together at the moment. It’s all as wide open as last season. And no NL team would look forward to facing the Giants in the playoffs. The Giants have too much playoff-mojo on their side.
    And, sure, the Giants could struggle this year. That wouldn’t be surprising either. A lot of stuff has to go right. We all see that. But I can groove with whatever happens. We’re hoisting another flag in April, wearing another ring. Sabean could surprise yet again with another cool mid-season acquisition.
    Hey, let the games begin. 🙂

    • willedav said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:41 pm

      I think LA got better via addition/subtraction and Mattingly has more his type of guys/fewer headcases. Bochy is definitely a better mgr. and even with Jansen Giants have better pen. Giants have clear edge at C, hopefully 1b and SS, maybe CF, LA in SP rotation.
      Pads I don’t think seriously even challenge for WC. Maybe someone from East besides Nats, otherwise Central should get the other1 WC..tho SF beat them all last year.

      When his team wins it’s been because Sabes made moves that paid off handsomely. I just don’t think he has done that yet this off season.. We’ll see; can’t wait til ST is mercifully over.

    • Flavor said, on March 19, 2015 at 6:31 am

      totally agree

  27. zumiee said, on March 18, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    Ah, Kershaw. Good times. 🙂

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