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Reality Hits: We Suck

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 21, 2015

Those were some awesome posts by you guys on the last thread……

And now for some negativity.

At this point, it’s not outrageous to consider that Pagan is going the way of Glass Sanchez. We are now forced to consider an outfield of Ishikawa, Aoki and Blanco. I suppose Perez could fit into that mix. Unless Maxwell does something, anything, to distinguish himself I have to hope he’s not in the mix on Opening Day. If they all suck, I’m inclined to go with the guys who suck and yet still contributed to us winning a World Series 🙂

But truly, this is one of the worst teams, as presently configured with healthy players, that I’ve seen the Giants put out since maybe 2007 or 2008. Guys like Maxwell were on those teams.

Argue me wrong.

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  1. Nipper said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:19 am

    The pitchers are the team. They all must have big years even to contend. Besides pitching play great defense and pray.

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:21 am

    John Shea quotes Belt as being “down” with a stint in the OF. Rumors of SF interested in a 1b.

    • willedav said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:51 am

      Funny, but that could work right now.
      Sure there are many reasons we’ve all talked about not to do it, but this might be best time to try it.
      Pence comes back, one of Blanco/Aoki go back to bench except maybe for late game D. Both hit LH, so along with Craw and Panik maybe LHP wouldn’t be so tough on SF.
      Posey to 1b occasionally seemed to help his hitting quite a bit.

      STL finished dead last in HRs last year, but middle of pack in runs scored, 5th in OB. They did have 5 guys with over .750 OPS even though Yadier M wasn’t one of them. Plus they picked up Jason Heyward (who was at .735 last year with 11 HRs 20 steals), a guy I wouldn’t be surprised hits a lot better.
      Giants, as presently constituted, only have 3 guys over .750 OPS and one of them is injured.

      I don’t think it’s fair to Aoki (or anyone) to cite ST stats though. I suspect decline in his numbers indicates pitchers have him figured out, but he’s not a .150 hitter.

  3. Nipper said, on March 21, 2015 at 8:27 am

    Yeah forget HRS……..this is a contact put the ball in play club all the way.

    • Nipper said, on March 21, 2015 at 8:29 am

      The occasional HR will be an “ACT OF GOD.”

  4. willedav said, on March 21, 2015 at 8:44 am

    Something else to think about: 2013 Posey in second half was major disappointment.
    He vowed in off season to get in better shape.
    Last year Sept/Oct he hit .390. Maybe playing less C/more 1b factored into that.
    Sure, as JT Snow pointed out playing 9 innings at 1b does not equate to “a day off”, but the difference in Posey stats playing C and 1b are striking.

  5. old4times said, on March 21, 2015 at 9:06 am

    Geez, normally rest ice/heat, some ibuprofen, maybe a visit to the chiropractor for a stiff back, but twin/injections? As usual, sounds more serious than giants are letting on and they are living in wishful thinking land. Then they throw him back out there in a few days and all is suppose to be fine for a grueling 162 game campaign? Dubious.

  6. stickman said, on March 21, 2015 at 9:29 am

    Yestrerday’s loss piled on another one to the sorry list. But hark, not all is doom and gloom. Hudson, Affeldt and a couple other pitchers did very nicely. Hudson’s stint was most encouraging. If his pitch count is kept in the 80-90 range he could last the season. The blowout in the 9th was attributed to Hunter Strickland and Tyler Rogers, neither of whom will be on the 25-man. Apparently Strickland was more the victim of dink hits squibbling through than getting pounded. Rogers was NOT the guy to bail him out. NBD.

    Cobbling together an offense looms as the challenge. Aoki is not AOK to date and nowhere’s close at present. But he’s not nearly as bad, long term, as he has shown to date. Pressing perhaps. Most of the Minor Leaguers have had their weeks in the better Scottsdale stadium for now. Maybe Delfino will keep showing signs at Richmond. Mac Williamson was sent down early ~ to get more steady playing time. He is the one bright hope for our outfield.

    Meanwhile McGiggles and Duffy continue to shine. Those coupla Irish boys must still think its St. Pats Day. Keep an eye on that pair. Casey looks happy to be back to the Bay. His defense is excellent and he continues to powder that pill. Matt is no doubt a keeper, as he demonstrated on his call-up and making for a fine segue from his stellar hitting in the pitching-rich Eastern League. So add him to Panik and Susac and SF’s lowly-rated position player pipeline came up with three winners in last season’s callups. Will Big Mac and Oro Delfino be the next striders?

    April could start off sloggy and boggy and with all too many games early on vs divisional opponents. But then again Ryu and Jensen are hurting for the LaBumbos and Opie may just be a bit gun-shy for awhile. If the Giants can cop two or three wins in those early series vs the Bums and at least hold their own vs the Snakes and Pads, we could be okay if the Rotation continues to improve.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 21, 2015 at 9:30 am

    If he showed anything he’d probably break camp with the big club but Gary Brown has dropped a steaming turd again this spring. I have fanboy hope for Perez. Maybe the seeing eye grounder and glimpses of success in the playoffs have the light going on for him. He’s put together a decent enough spring and with Pagan on edge of being finished there should be a spot. No?

  8. twinfan1 said, on March 21, 2015 at 9:48 am

    The Saturday Sports and Feral Cat bulletin:

    *Out of options, and that sure mucks up the 25-man decisions:
    Erik Cordier, George Kontos, Jean Machi, Ehire Adrianza, Yusmeiro Petit, Gregor Blanco, Travis Ishikawa

    *Matt Williams likes what sees from Uggla. Matt is also said to be seeing an optometrist

    *When I had chickens and Muscovy ducks they’d often wander in and pay us a visit. We liked that. 8 cats at the door demanding dinner? Not so much. And it’s all my fault for being a lover of all living things. I.E.- a sucker.

    * Latest word on Allen Craig-he’s still in the running to be one of the 11 outfielders who will be on the 25-man in Boston.

    *I see that Baggs reports that Jackson Williams has been re-acquired. That *could* be more significant than at first glance.With Susac ailing and Hector doing little to help himself, I can see Williams ( a defensive whiz ) possibly backing up Posey until Susac is fully healthy.

    * I can see both Ehire and Duffy both making the club. Duffy is possibly the best option if one of the infielders becomes a catcher, I mean a pitcher, OK- maybe an outfielder. And they talked about *Cain’s* “moving parts”. I may be right- everybody plays out of position. In technical baseball insider talk we call that throwing it against the wall and what sticks. Unless those cats eat it

    *Dunning is back and out to show ’em they done him wrong- already has one strong inning in the books.

    * Finally ( and don’t you hope it is) -Sabe-Rod is said to be looking for a “professional hitter”. OMG, not *again*..

  9. pawliekokonuts said, on March 21, 2015 at 10:27 am

    Good stuff here, especially Twin’s better-than-but-reminds-me-of Paul Harveyish-Larry Kingish one-liner gems and Stick’s artisanally wordsmithed reports from the undra. Well, everyone’s. And welcome to a few new commenters here.

    As for the team thus far, I’m typically a doomer, as many here have seen. WAS. Past tense! Doomer no more. I can safely put that doomer tag to rest after 2014. I really can. So let me spout optimism like it’s my birthright: Perez or Belt will shine in LF. Panik or Duffy too. Cain and Hudson and Lincecum bounce back like bungees. All is good!

    • twinfan1 said, on March 21, 2015 at 10:54 am

      I’m flattered, side-by-side you can’t tell Larry and I apart.

  10. pawliekokonuts said, on March 21, 2015 at 10:49 am

    tundra, not undra

    • twinfan1 said, on March 21, 2015 at 10:56 am

      I’d say that Bongo Brown is undra the gun right about now.

      • twinfan1 said, on March 21, 2015 at 11:13 am

        I can’t begin to tell you how much I regret that last groaner.

  11. snarkk said, on March 21, 2015 at 11:39 am

    This is a transition season. 3 of 5 starters likely not back next year, he’ll maybe not back all this year. I expect one or two minor league starter dudes to get mound time in SF this year. OF in flux. WC appearance is the goal, realistically. Like Kent said, “enjoy the game”…

  12. snarkk said, on March 21, 2015 at 11:59 am

    Belt says he’ll play OF if needed. He should be taking reps and playing out there in some of these games. With this putrid lineup, sitting Belt when buster moves to 1b makes no sense to me …

    • pawliekokonuts said, on March 21, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      I forgot Ishi. Can’t forget Ishi. Ever. Nope. DoomerNoMore.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 21, 2015 at 12:12 pm

      My take is that would be a part time deal, with Belt getting some starts one or two games a week and then the “regular’ outfield takes over again. If Pagan is back that would probably mean Angel, Aoki, and Perez/Blanco, and Ishi with the occasional start. If Pagan isn’t back Maxwell probably sticks. He’s much more athletic than I remember .No way do I envision Bongo or Duvall making the final cut. Duffy and Ehire might both make it with Duffy adding some OF play to his utility resume
      NOW- if there’s a trade…. And then- when Pence is back…what the hell do I know? This is already frying my morning brain..

  13. snarkk said, on March 21, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    So far, McGehee looks like a solid replacement for Panda. Not as much power, but probably not as many hitting droughts, and way better situational ABs. Certainly could’ve done worse…

  14. Hargesheimer said, on March 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    It’s Bowker Time already!

  15. snarkk said, on March 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Pretty decent outing by Timmeh…

    • stickman said, on March 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      Last i checked on today’s ST game, Giants were down 1-0 after five. So if Timmy is showing a bit of uptick the Rotation, key to the whole schlemiel, is shaping up. Couple weeks for those starters to work up to five and then six inning stints. Thinking it’s gonna work ~ at least until Pence is back and the OF starts to gel. Pagan? Who knows. Options trade time looks interesting. Machi, Brown (if anyone dares) and some of the buildup in the pipeline could draw in an OF with some doubles clout and maybe good for 10-12 dingers.

  16. snarkk said, on March 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Perez today 0-4 with 3 strikeouts. He’s out of options? Good…

    • Flavor said, on March 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      I’d be surprised if he didn’t make the team. No way does Maxwell beat him out

  17. paulinasia said, on March 21, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    We’ll probably really only know about Pagan if Sabes makes a trade in the next week or two for either an OFer or, as is being thrown around here, a 1B guy and move Belt to the OF. The latter seems a little desperate to me, but nonetheless, Sabes making a trade for a starting position player at this point on the calendar will tell all about Pagan and his back. Or, more tellingly, his “won’t be back”… again….

  18. Hargesheimer said, on March 21, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    So, baseball’s worst starting pitcher got his ERA down to 7.88. Zero K’s in four innings.

    • zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:02 pm

      And baseball’s best starting pitcher got hit in the face by a line-drive and lost a tooth. Hardly seems fair, huh?
      And here’s how many World Series rings Lincecum has won in the last five years:

      • blade3colorado said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:35 pm

        . . . and of course, the Dodgers embrace the number Zero. lqtm.

      • zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:44 pm

        Ha! Very cool.

      • Hargesheimer said, on March 22, 2015 at 3:30 am

        Plenty of bad players have rings. The reality is that Timmeh’s contract is a sunk cost – he’s washed up as a starter, though there’s a small chance he might be a usable short reliever. Look for him as an NRI at the Mariners’ camp next spring.

  19. stickman said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    Perez may have stunk it up a bit at the plate today but the big news is that today’s 0-4 on the part of former top prospect, guess who, strikes me as the final nail in his coffin with this organization. One going deeeeep down the callup list is Curtis Partsh who got whacked for a couple of hits relieving Lopez who got tagged with the L. Other side of the ticket was Aoki getting a couple of hits to give hints of emerging from his schnoid and Hector also getting a pair.

    Moundwise, Timmy’s day has to be encouraging and ditto the bullies. Staff looks pretty much on target for April 6th.

    • zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      It was a good week for the starting rotation. They’re trending in the right direction.
      And the actual bullpen guys are heading in the right directon; not counting the minor league guys.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      Yeah, in my newly minted polly state, Perez is fine with me, girls. Juan Perez definitely showed me something in the postseason. People do learn, and improve. Nice story on Gregor Blanco at MLB. I like the guy.

  20. zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    “The Dodgers shut down Hyun-Jin Ryu on Friday with a sore shoulder, the same problem that sidelined him twice last season. This reoccurrence is a serious concern, regardless of how the Dodgers have tempered it with hopes he could be ready to start the season. He received an anti-inflammatory injection and is officially down for three days.
    Yet there are only a little more than two weeks left before the season opens, which hardly appears enough time to build Ryu’s arm strength up to join the rotation. He’s thrown only five innings all spring, already getting a delayed start because of a tight back. So who is lined up behind the expected rotation? No one you can really count on.
    The candidates – Joe Wieland, Erik Bedard, Mike Bolsinger, Chad Gaudin, Dustin McGowan and Juan Nicasio — have potential but it’s uncertain potential.”

    The Groper is still in the mix so far. But he gave up 2 runs in 2 innings today. That won’t help his cause.

    • Alleykat said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:23 pm

      Maybe “The Groper” can go to a local hospital and molest another half passed out female on a gurney for inspiration..
      Seems to work best for his game.

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 22, 2015 at 5:45 am

      Things are probably worse in SF. The reality is that all the starters are huge questions except, perhaps, Bummer. After all, Sabean chooses re-sign a guy that the Astros rejected because they didn’t like his physical?

  21. vogelsheiner said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    I think it’s clear that Perez is never going to make it as a hitter. BOchy says his numbers at AAA are good enough……uh?? remember kieschneck bowker??? means nothing. Sometimes he does live in fantasy land.

    • zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm

      Well, whatever happens with Perez going forward, positive or negative, he did make some nice contributions in the playoffs last season, including a double in the World Series that missed being a homerun by a few inches.

      • zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        Here’s an awesome clip of that moment:

      • Flavor said, on March 21, 2015 at 8:28 pm

        that video is so beyond fucking rad I don’t even know what word to use. He did that for Taveras. And Huddy called it? Insane. Looking back, maybe that was his moment in the sun. Maybe there is no next step for Perez.

      • willedav said, on March 22, 2015 at 7:34 am

        That was very imp smash too, off Royals vaunted pen (right?), that made big difference.
        Perez is pretty good OF too, and has hit in minors, though seems way over anxious and undisciplined at plate.
        I agree with flav, he might as well stay and see what happens.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 22, 2015 at 8:31 am

        Was that Peavy or Hudson talking? Look at Pence almost catching Sandoval. Full Throttle baby.

  22. zumiee said, on March 21, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    The Brandons discuss TV and binge-watching:
    http://brandon.mlblogs.com/

  23. willedav said, on March 22, 2015 at 9:00 am

    “…except perhaps Bummie…”
    Perhaps?
    Seriously?
    After what he accomplished last year no team wants to see this guy walk out and take the mound.
    Sure even HOF guys have off years, but if you bet against Bum last year you got your ass handed to you.
    Kershaw is the one who wishes he had the rings Bumgarner has.

    • zumiee said, on March 22, 2015 at 9:07 am

      Kershaw at a 1-5 record and 5+ ERA in the playoffs has a long way to go to get even close to what Bum, Timmy, Cain, and other Giants pitchers have accomplished in the playoffs.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 22, 2015 at 9:10 am

      Him, Obi WTF, and other trolls are butt hurt about Dodgers holding a sack of shit again, while the GMen have rings . . . again.

    • Hargesheimer said, on March 22, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      Bummer is a sub-elite starter who’s performed extremely in a small sample size of October situations, and is not among the game’s top ten pitchers: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/107914854/madison-bumgarner-top-10-pitchers-mlb

      He’s still young, and could improve, but his October performance alone falls short of placing him among the very best. He could also decline quickly, as Timmeh has done.

  24. Flavor said, on March 22, 2015 at 10:17 am

    a thread more recent than this one now exists……


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