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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 25, 2015

The Warriors winning the Pacific Division, for the first time in 39 years, should be jazzing me up a little more than it is. I’m stoked but I feel like kind of a fake-o fan having not been into NBA for the last 10 years or so. I was a big RUN TMC guy. But then years of sucking combined with incompetent ownership saw my allegiance dull a bit. Plus, I got tired of NBA dudes doing nothing but jacking up 3’s and/or guys waiting till an entire side of the court was cleared out before they could go play 1:1 over and over. The NBA game, to me, is a lot worse than it was back in the day. The product sucks and a big part of that is the “1 and done” game getting played at the college level. Most of these kids aren’t ready to play in the NBA. But I digress because……

Steph Curry brought me back. He does things on a court I’ve never seen done, certainly not around these parts. I’m a little too young to remember Rick Barry. Outside of his unusual free throw style, I hear he did some things never seen before, too.

But it’s impossible to not like this Warriors team. Draymond Green is a throwback in every sense of the word. And for guys like David Lee to lose his starting gig and not even play a min some games (like last night) and be cool with it because he’s a total team player–well, you just don’t see NBA players act like that anymore.

Still, in terms of me being a fan of the team, this is a full-on bandwagon jump. It’s a Nestea Plunge into a sea of “We Believe’s”. And it’s still an exciting time for me to be a Warrior fan.


And don’t even get me started on the highest high I’m currently riding with Stanford heading to the semifinals of the NIT (said with heavy sarcasm).

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  1. blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:24 am

    Congrats to the Warriors. Ditto about only being interested in this team the last couple of years. Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin were amazing players, orchestrated by Don Nelson’s fast break offense. However, the two year final tally (1989 and 1990): 81 wins and 83 losses – never better than fourth place in the Pacific Division, two playoff rounds and one playoff series victory. That part we tend to forget. Regardless, they were fun to watch.

    Still amazed about the Dodgers signing Cuban infielder Hector Olivera to a $62.5 million deal, which includes a $28 million signing bonus.

    What did they buy?

    A 30 year old player with zero MLB experience; someone with a blood disorder that sidelined him from playing in Cuba’s top league, Serie Nacional; and he may have a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his throwing arm (can you say Tommy John surgery?). Dodgers can keep him IMO.

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:49 am

      Nelly was a great coach but he just didn’t give a damn about defense. That’s what ultimately doomed the Run TMC years. In the playoffs you play D or you lose. Gotta have a half court game too.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:25 am

        John, Nelly was a great coach, but he’ll be the first to admit that he blew it regarding the break up of Run TMC. On November 1, 1991, Run TMC was broken up when Golden State traded Richmond and Les Jepsen to the Sacramento Kings for 6-foot-9-inch rookie Billy Owens, whose additional height compared to Richmond was the size that Nelson believed would complete the team. Nelson said he “was under pressure to get the team bigger” to improve the Warriors from a good team to a great one. He said, “I’d never make that trade again.”

      • gianthead said, on March 25, 2015 at 5:19 pm

        That trade did not kill the Warriors. If you recall the Warriors won 50 games in Billy Owens’ rookie season. Th eery just had no depth and Mullin and Hardaway shot themselves out of that playoff series against the Sonics because they were playing 45 minutes a game that series.

        Trading Richmond also opened the way for Sprewell who was a defensive monster in his early years. What killed the Warriors was that ass Don Nelson destroying the team to placate his ego over Chris Webber. the momemt he suggested trading Webber, the ass of the old owner should have immediately dismissed Nelson. Th at 1994 team could have had Hardaway-Sprewell-Mullin-Webber-Seikly as its starting lineup and would have won at least 50 after they won something like 48 games the year before in Webber’s rookie season.

  2. wilcojoe said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:41 am

    Major props to the Warriors. The last time they won the division, I wasn’t quite born. I made my debut during the 76 World Series. I am with you 100% on the NBA. As a kid during the Run TMC days, my excitement for the team probably paralleled that of the Giants. The national media says a Warriors home game is the most raucous in the NBA. I would love to catch a game there today.

    • Flavor said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:54 am

      “I made my debut during the 75 World Series…”
      that, my friend, is gold and POTD worthy.

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:55 am

      Oakland has always had a great basketball fan base. Even during the crappy years the hard-core base was there. They were just champing at the bit for a winner. Those few times when W’s had good years the Colosseum was always raucous.

  3. unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:41 am

    Throw in Iggy as well. He was all star starter up until this season. His 21 off the bench last night and his amazingly unselfish play all year has done wonders for the bench. A huge weakness last year.

    Barry was a great great player as well. I’m SURE it was only on Bay Area playgrounds where you saw kids seriously shooting granny free throws . . .

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:57 am

      Iggy has been shooting the lights out the past 10 games or so. His shots aren’t even scraping the rim on their way through the hoop. Great guy to have coming off the bench.

  4. wilcojoe said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:33 am

    I saw HBO’s “Hard Knocks” for the very first time last season. I thought it was great. To be able to get that much behind the scenes action, basically in real time was awesome. Apparently the teams cannot opt out of getting chosen unless they have made the playoffs in the last two years or they have a first year coach. So obviously the Niners are out. But how awesome will it be if it’s Johnny Football and the Cleveland Browns? Talk about a freaking soap opera.

  5. willedav said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Dubs just have a style, one that is becoming less unique too, good sign for NBA, that features ball movement player movement and defense/rebounding. The interplay btw Bogut and Curry (and others) is great to watch and is reminiscent of high post centers from back in ’60s who pass to cutters and set screens for shooters.

    I agree with Flav on a lot of his post too. I’ve coached for 25 years and watched Rick Barry and hosts of others live, but NBA has been unwatchable for quite a while and I find myself watching more college than NBA. Dubs Clippers last season was epic tho, and this year’s team has more depth and obviously better coaching.

    Only downer is the planned move to SF to build brand new arena. Hopefully that turns into a positive with Oakland and powers that be finally figuring out a sensible solution to keep Raiders and A’s there in new and improved yards.

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:22 am

      I do not see the move to the City as a downer. Oakland has had so many chances with both the Dubs and A’s and they just cannot seem to get their shit together. And with the team having a history as the San Francisco Warriors and playing their games in SF, I am down with a move. I do however hope that the A’s somehow, some way, get a new baseball only park in Oakland.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:31 am

        Yeah, I agree Chi. A lot of people want the A’s and Raiders to stay. I see a lot of posts about the Raiders from friends of mine that don’t live in Oakland. Maybe the people of Oakland don’t want to be fleeced for a new facility. There are impact studies out there that raise valid questions about whether or not it is a net benefit for cities.That said, I would like to see the A’s stay in a baseball only venue. While the club has moved in the past they are pretty much associated with Oakland. I could give a shit about the Raiders. They’ve already hosed Oakland over so many times. The city should just move on.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:02 am

        I agree on the Raiders, Dirt…that is why I did not even mention them. They move to Smell-A…giddy-up and don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out. There is very little risk for the City on the Dubs move, as the entire arena, etc. is personally financed.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:30 am

        Yep, after the Giants built the ballpark more or less themselves there is no way the Ws could have looked to public financing and I think that is just fine. These leagues are huge enterprises owned by the uber wealthy. They should build their own sites. That doesn’t mean I am opposed to a certain amount of participation from the public but that should be more about some tax breaks, maybe splits on infrastructure. That sort of thing. Not financing the whole enchilada with public money.

  6. wilcojoe said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:09 am

    What’s the deal with the move to the City?Has that been finalized yet? I just think that would be another home run for downtown. The great thing about a weeknight bball game (versus MLB) is you pretty much are guaranteed to be outta there no later than 10pm. A Giants game and your lucky to be getting to the seventh inning stretch by that point.

    • 10Boo said, on March 25, 2015 at 3:43 pm

      Real baseball fans don’t watch the clock.

  7. chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:17 am

    I am much like you Flav. I was a big Dubs fan back during the TMC days, too. That was a fun team to watch (not like this year’s squad isn’t). And I was into the Kings when they made their big run and came within a whisker (bad call?) of closing out the Fakers in the Western Conference final (that was a fun team to watch, too). Anyway, I love the brand of ball the Warriors are playing. Totally unselfish…move the ball, find the open man. And it is fun when you see one of those games where they are down by three, four, or five, etc. and drain a couple of 3s, get some stops on the defensive end, and next thing you know they are up by 10.

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:01 am

      That was a great Kings team back then. So close to winning it all.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:28 am

        I still think Stern and the League robbed Sac that year.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:05 am

        There is a well-known conspiracy theory to that effect, Blade (Stern and NBA fucking the Kings).

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:51 am

      He basically did the same thing with the Sonics. I used to go to quite a few of the games when they were still here and it was a lot of fun. But Stern pulled his screw-’em-in-the-ass routine in collusion with Bennett and it was bye bye Sonics. Needless to say, he’s not a popular figure in Seattle.

      • 10Boo said, on March 25, 2015 at 3:42 pm

        The Sonics’ departure from Seattle was disgraceful.

  8. chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Wilco – yes, the move to the City is happening. The new Warriors arena will be down the street from the Giant’s yard. Anchor Brewing is supposed to move their brewery down there. When all is said and done, that stretch of the City is going to be hopping. Last I heard they are targeting opening the new arena in the Fall of 2017.

    Here is a fairly recent link…


    • wilcojoe said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:13 am

      Thanks Chi. That will be awesome. We will need to plan a flapalooza Warriors style. Maybe at the Anchor Steam brew pub, since I am sure tickets will be impossible to snag the first couple of years.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:20 am

    I agree that the Warriors are fun to watch. When it was said that they hadn’t won the division in 39 years the first thing I thought of was those RUN TMC clubs. That was the last time I followed the NBA. More than anything I’m stoked for some of my old friends that have kept following the team through it all.

  10. Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:35 am

    I was a 14 year old hoops junky when the Warriors won their only championship and I remember it like it was yesterday. Once baseball finished, it was all basketball all the time. Barry, Thurmond, Barnett, Mullins (my favorite player) et al. We didn’t call them the Dubs back then but listening to Bill King call the games on the radio was always something I looked forwad to. It’s fantastic having such a good team again and one that’s so damn fun to watch. Great thread! GO DUBS!

  11. willedav said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:45 am

    Flav, waiting for the anti-Dubs SanDawg post…it’s just great to see them be a feel good story after decades of ignominy. Dumb drafts, dumb coaches, dumb owners, dumb trades, selfish players embarrassing the organization…you could talk this noise for a long time. Seeing the ’75 guys together with Al Attles the other night was way cool and hopefully inspiring to Curry and his buddies. Won’t be easy, but doable.

    In other news, Pagan running around like old, playing 5 innings in Triple A game vs. Cubs and pushing to play again today. Best news of entire ST would be having he and Cain ready to roll.

    Duffy situation is a tough one. I can see the talent is ml ready, but I wonder if he wouldn’t be better served to play every day for a while in Sac vs. sitting on the bench for SF. He is not likely to start more than once a week or so behind Panik Craw and Mac, and Bochy has traditionally used Arias as back up at 3b.
    I can also see value of him being around the vets every day at ml level and possibly forcing the issue of more playing time by making most of his chances.
    Tough call on what is better for him and club in long run.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:00 am

      Maybe Duffy can play LF? :/

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:09 am


      • twinfan1 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:19 am

        With McgeeeeeeeeHeeeee likely to be a 1 year guy, I’d like to see Duffy in Sacto at 3rd base. He doesn’t have the traditional 3rd baseman’s arm but that can be compensated for with quickness. In any case, I think he should play everyday.
        A long shot is that they keep Arias, Adrianza, and Duffy at least until Pence returns. That would leave with just 4 outfielders but only Perez has shown a lot.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:34 am

        I think you may be right, twin. My LF comment was tongue firmly in cheek. I know this will get blasted here but I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see Duffy displace Panik. Not that I want that to happen. I’m just not totally sold on Panik.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:13 am

        I will be very surprised to see Duffy displace Panik. The only way that happens is if Panik tanks over a long period of time, and the team determines he is not fit for the job every day. I am with Twin…I could see Duffy making a play for a permanent position at the hot corner, and next year, I think, at a minimum he will be a full-time guy (perhaps a utility guy).

      • gianthead said, on March 25, 2015 at 5:34 pm

        I think Panik is going to be the starting second bagger for the next 10 years…

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:10 am

      Duffster has never played the OF in pro ball (not sure about his earlier years), but I have heard talk that because he is such a damned good athlete, that he could possibly get some time in the OF.

      I would love to see him stick, but I do see the benefit of him playing every day in Sacto. My guess is he starts the season a RiverCat.

  12. Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:46 am

    Flavor, no apologies. You’re a Bay Area guy, the team has always been there and now they’ve brought you back. That’s not bandwagon, that’s excitement. The level of suckitude the W’s displayed for years was nasty and it’s always hard to stick with a team during those years. But the new ownership is awesome Kerr is awesome (with just props to Mark Jackson) and the talent is awesome. The whole franchise is moving in the right direction.

    Even better, this team does not play that boring clear-out one-man game, a la Carmelo Anthony, that dumbs down an otherwise fabulous sport, a sport that when played the right way at its highest level is a joy to watch. These guys spread it around and everyone gets the ball in their hands. Just check the box from last night’s game for evidence of that. Great passing, whipping the ball around the perimeter, top notch shooting, white-knuckle defense and great team-first attitudes. Sounds a lot like our Giants.

    Sorry for the ramble, but I’m stoked about these guys!

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:12 am

      Agree 110% LJ. And while Jackson did a damned good job with the team, I think Kerr has taken them up a notch. Amazing for a rookie coach. Sure, he knows the game as a hard-nosed good player and analyst, but to transfer that to managing a NBA team is impressive.

      • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:54 am

        Absolutely, chi. He’s a former gym rat and a real X’s and O’s guy and he’s definitely kicked things up to the next level. He’s got everyone on the same page and it’s fun to watch.

  13. twinfan1 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:00 am

    40 years since that memorable championship in 1975. For me it didn’t just bring memories of the title run and unlikely sweep of Washington but I thought of Charles “C.J” Johnson, Phil Smith, and Derrek Dickey- all passed away far too young, none of them reached 60 years of age. I especially remember C.J , who starred at every level here, from High School through the Warriors.
    Ratto wrote, in one of his best pieces “C.J. died as he played — strong, with little fanfare” Johnson was a private man, even some of his friends didn’t know when was dying of cancer- and his death wasn’t even announced on the team website. Rick Barry recalled C.J’s death “I wish I had known, maybe I could have done something more for him. But after seeing him , he’s in a better place. I was praying for him to be taken, the way he was suffering.” Ratto again : “Charles Johnson deserved more. The trick, of course, was that he not only never sought more, but he was content avoiding it. He knew what he had, he knew who he was, and he didn’t require validation from strangers to prove the fact. The truth stands on its own, tall at any height. ”


    So, as we eagerly await the playoffs for our brilliant team, it’s a good time to remember those Warriors of ’75 and 3 of the young men who are no longer with us.

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:14 am

      Great post, Michael.

    • snarkk said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:51 pm

      I’ve mentioned CJ before, he was a key dude in the mid-70s Dubs runs. His go to shot was the baseline 18 to 20 foot J. 6 footer with a huge heart. Outta Cal. Died way too young…

  14. gianthead said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:04 am

    My love for the Giants is off the charts but I am a huge Warriors fan. I would say over the last 10 years, I have become a bigger Warriors fan than the Niners pretty easily.

    I loved Jason Richardson and Antwan Jamison as players and Warriors but when they traded for Baron Davis is when I bought back in for the first to me since the 1993 Lattrell-CWeb team. That 2007 series against the Mavs is one of the greatest sports memories for me and maybe the greatest from the 1995 Super Bowl to the 2010 World Series era.

    And the game itself over the last 10 years has gotten so much better. The average intensity in regular season games today is far greater than probably the last 40 years in the nba. The abominal one on one bball of Carmelo is largely confined to losing teams. We have had the Spurs that have shown how to play the team ball concept. But the Heat teams have been good and the Thunder had emerged and when the Mavs won they won playing team basketball.

    I probably have watched most every Warriors game since that 2007 season and and watching this team and how they turned what I thought was a solid Mark Jackson team (they took the Clippers to 7 games without a Bogus or a competent center was truly amazing) into maybe a devastating championship quality team is almost unfathomable. They just go out and destroy teams. Draymond may be my favorite Warrior since Lattrell. I got a chance last year to speak to him briefly during warmups against the Wiz and told him I appreciated how well he was playing last year…his game is unmatched IMO in today’s nba…

    • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:57 am

      The Dallas series was awesome. I thought the fans were going to blow the roof off of Oracle when they clinched the series. Agree on Draymond too. Love the guy. He’s the Swiss Army knife dude for the Warriors. A little bit of everything.

  15. chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:17 am

    I got so wound-up in the discussion today, I forgot to mention “Great thread, Flav.”

  16. zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:37 am

    “I still think Stern and the League robbed Sac that year.”

    Yep, Blade. After his Game 5 loss, Phil Jackson griped about the reffing, and I don’t know what Stern and Co. told the refs before Game 6, but as we all know, Game 6 is considered by many to be the worst reffed playoff game in NBA history, heavily in favor of the Lakers, to the point that many wondered, and still do, if the game was fixed. The Lakers won Game 6, and went on to win Game 7 in overtime. The ref who was an admitted “fixer” (I forgot his name) has said he believes that game was fixed. (He didn’t ref in that game.)
    As several have said on the Flap, it’s amazing how quickly Stern made the “NBA fixing” scandal go away. They had their one ref caught and banned, and the whole thing got dropped pretty quickly, by the media, too. Not many people wanted to dig deeper on that. They just wanted that story to go away.

    • Macdog said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:11 am

      Yes, the Kings got royally screwed in Game 6. But, they did have a chance to finally close out the Lakers at home in Game 7, and proceeded to make only 16 of 30 free throws in an overtime loss. They have no one to blame but themselves.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:15 am

        No one to blame except the refs in game 6, and themselves in game 7. They got fucked hard in that series. I truly think the fix was on.

    • gianthead said, on March 25, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      Zumiee you are dead on right….that scandal was quickly covered up on fixing games and I am pretty convinced shenanigans are still going on. I will say one thing about that game 6….everyone on the Kings was scared to shoot the ball down the stretch in the 4th qtr and they gave that game away regardless of the refs….

  17. blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Similar to WilcoJoe being in the know about the ‘stros, I keep an (jaundiced) eye toward the Sherpas. This team was decimated by injuries last season, so they made a concerted effort to improve their pitching rotation depth.

    OH OH! First, they released Jhoulys Chacin (after gifting him with a $5.5 million contract this season). Then, it was Jorge De La Rosa, who has a groin injury. Now, potential rotation replacement David Hale has gone down for the count. He has a strained oblique muscle. That’s 3/5s of their planned rotation this season. LOL.

    Yes, Tulo and Cargo are still injury free . . . so far.

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:16 am

      With the emphasis on “so far…”.

      • Lurker John said, on March 25, 2015 at 11:00 am

        Tulo has had the worst luck. Tremendous talent…when he’s on the field.

  18. San Dawg said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:55 am

    As promised by WillieD….here comes the Anti-Dubs San Dawg post!!

    Yes, I can’t stand the Warriors and I wish them ill, BUT I want to give big props to Flav for admitting all of this love for Warriors has a pretty heavy bandwagon vibe to it. For those of you who have suffered through all of the lean years, have a shredded Monta Ellis T-Shirt at the bottom of your dresser, and have followed the Dubs closely through thick and thin—I salute you. I don’t think there are too many of you, but I salute you.
    Yes, Curry is a total stud. His shooting, creating, and passing skills are awesome. I also love the fact that he plays scratch golf, seems like a likable guy, and I think his “Chicken Curry” ESPN commercial is possibly the greatest ESPN athlete spot of all time.
    As for me, I am a Kings fan. And I am a Kings fan whether they have cool players or whether they have a bunch of stiffs. I grew up going to Warriors games and wearing Warrior gear. I had a Keith Wilkes (Keith, not Jamal) poster (in a Warrior uni) on my bedroom wall when I was a kid. But once the Sacramento Kings came into existence, the Warriors became my mortal enemy.

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 11:02 am

      That is cool, Dawg. We each roll our own way, and it is all good any way ya roll, in my book. I was a Warriors fan when the Kings were still in KC. When the Kings came to NorCal, I was on board (and they were geographically closer, so I went to more Kings games than Dubs games). But I am not one of those who cannot support two local teams. I have never hated on the Raiders, A’s or Dubs/Kings. I like all the local teams, but of course when it comes to head-to-head, it is all business with the Giants, Niners, and Warriors being my teams.

  19. Alleykat said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:58 am

    Now that the Dubs have virtually clinched the top seed in the west,I expect Keer to give his bench more PT and keep Bogut,Curry, Thompson, Green and others fresh& and healthy as possible.Your gonna need the bench guys as well in the playoffs, soits time to get them more reps..

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 11:04 am

      I think that is true, Kat, but I think the priority will be to have the best record/home court advantage throughout the playoffs. and if that entails more minutes for the starters, so be it. The Warriors home W-L record is just insane, and no one wants to face them in a 7 game series where they (the Warriors) have home court advantage.

  20. Macdog said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:59 am

    Congrats to the Warriors. Man, 39 years, that’s a lonnnnnnng drought. Looks like the next milestone will be 60 wins — a helluva accomplishment, too.

  21. twinfan1 said, on March 25, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    Pagan back, could be the Opening Day LU:

    1. Nori Aoki (L) LF

    2. Joe Panik (L) 2B

    3. Angel Pagan (S) CF

    4. Buster Posey (R) C

    5. Brandon Belt (L) 1B

    6. Casey McGehee (R) 3B

    7. Gregor Blanco (L) RF

    8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS

    9. Tim Hudson (R) P

    • zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 12:11 pm

      Signs of life from Aoki have been great to see.

    • gianthead said, on March 25, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      Flat out ugly

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:14 pm

        Huh? Put Pence in there for Blanco (Pence in the 5 hole and Belt to the 3…Pagan slides to 6 and everyone else slides down a spot) and the line-up doesn’t look that bad. That OF will be better defensively than just about any trotted out there last year. Sure, you don’t have the pop from Pablo and Morse, but I think it could still all work out.

  22. Irish Kevin said, on March 25, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    This is why no public money should be used to build a stadium.


    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:44 pm

      Per the article: “The Dodgers raked in more than $120 million in television money last season, the most in baseball, as part of the team’s 25 year, $8.35 billion deal with Time Warner Cable. The team also lead MLB in attendance, with 3.78 million fans coming through the turnstiles during the regular season.”

      While they have some deep pockets and good revenue streams, they ran at a 12.2 mil operating LOSS last year (only four team operated at a loss). Yesterday’s signing of the young Cubano is just another indication that the suits in LaLa Land don’t know what the fuck they are doing. Fuck the bumbinos.

      • zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:56 pm

        And he’s not even all that young. He’s 29 (I think), with a history of health issues, and they signed him for six years!

  23. unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    Yeah I was 14 back in 75 as well. Still remember going to some games when they were still the SF Warriors playing at the the Cow Palace. Nate Thurmond was my favorite player and I was PISSED when they traded him for Cliff Ray. That was the trade that put them over the top.

    A couple years ago CSN played all the Dubs playoff games from 75. With commentary from Attles and Barry. Great stuff.

    • Nipper said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm

      Damn….I remember going to the Civic and watching Jerry Lucas and good seats too! Down low.

  24. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    I honestly don’t look for this shit to hate on Sandoval. If I was Boston I’d be a bit concerned about his media tour this spring. Dude should just go into the cone of silence for a bit.

    • Chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      I have said it before, and I will say it again. I appreciate his contributions to the Giants world series titles. Outside of that…fuck that fucking fat fuck.

      • Nipper said, on March 25, 2015 at 1:48 pm

        Yeah I can get behind that.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      “Cone of Silence”

      Love that Dirt. Yeah, the dumb fuck keeps doubling down. Dipshit.

  25. zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    Interesting article about Sandoval, Dirt. Thanks.
    I’m not sure what Sandoval expected from the Giants after 2010. They had to do something. And their intervention obviously benefitted him. Sorry that he felt disrespected by all that. It’s amazing how different his personality is than the public image we came to believe. Huff didn’t say it in the best way, but that’s basically what Huff meant.

  26. blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    I almost could understand Sandoval criticizing the fans, whom he doesn’t personally know. Sort of like taking pot shots at an inanimate object. However, to do what he’s doing – not only criticizing, but piling on former teammates, management and ownership – is complete idiocy for two reasons: 1. Eventually, more players beside Huff are going to respond back; and, 2. This has to have some effect on his new teammates and management team in Boston . . . I would imagine that many of them are thinking, “He had a seemingly good situation in San Francisco, so I wonder what he will say about me when he leaves here?”

    The other thing I was wondering about is who are his advisers? Like most of you, I have friends that tell me what I “need” to hear, not what I “want” to hear. His friends/advisers sound like the typical athlete/musician wannabe posse hangers on.

    • zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 4:19 pm

      And the article points out that some of the Red Sox are already concerned about his attitude about his weight. Reading between the lines, it sounds like they’re probably as mystified as anyone by what he’s saying.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:19 pm

        Absolutely agree with both of you Blade and Zume

  27. DJLoo said, on March 25, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    Has Bochy announced who the closer will be to start the season?

    • Flavor said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:45 pm


      • unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:38 pm


      • DJLoo said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:32 pm

        I just got that.

      • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:17 pm

        Platinum. But seriously Loo…I believe he has said it will be Casilla. But I am sure that is fluid, and if Casilla struggles in the role, and Romo is dialed, then I could see a switch.

  28. Flavor said, on March 25, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    Pablo Sandoval is showing himself to be pretty clueless. I don’t want to say *stupid* but it’s bordering on that. This guy is going to have national reporters in his face EVERY DAY. Does he not get this? They are all looking for quotes to start a fire. Does Pablo think he’s talking to a bunch of Hank Schulman’s? National reporters don’t give a fuck about you and the beat writers for Boston are going to slay you every time you step an inch out of line.
    But whatever Panda, keep yammering away to anyone and everyone who puts a fucking mic in your face…….

  29. DJLoo said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    I was told today the O/U in Las Vegas on Giant win total is 83.5….

    • Flavor said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:17 pm

      My mom always told me not to bet against my team so I guess that would be a big *no bet* for me.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:20 pm

        Mrs. Rose told Petey the same thing.

      • DJLoo said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:24 pm

        Great answer, Blade…

    • 10Boo said, on March 25, 2015 at 7:27 pm

      So, cause for optimism.

  30. unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Weird shit, Pablo. Not going to get much sympathy from anyone anywhere now if you start out slow. And you are already raising big questions about your true self behind the goofiness.

    Those who don’t understand how good they got it are destined to get bit in the (fat) ass when they go. I’m sure those Bawstun fans will be real supportive when you hit the skids.

  31. willedav said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    Thx San Dawg. Since there was so much more thin than thick, I couldn’t understand why anyone would hate on Warriors. A Silk poster trumps my Purvis Short.
    Todd Fuller as your choice at #9 in the draft? Joe Barely Cares for the Chief and Kevin McHale rights?
    For every Terry Teagle there was a Lewis Lloyd or two. We used to call my cousin and a buddy of his who had a weakness for the powdery stuff “Michael Ray”.
    And Nip I hear you first time I ever saw them was at the Civic in the fold up chairs, and hit the Cow Palace often.

    Thing about the new arena is, they don’t need one. The O rocks and Dubs never lose there anymore. Other than to feed Lacob’s ego trip, why bother?.

    But Oakland does need the Warriors. I didn’t care for Al Davis or jr. that runs them now, nor Wolff of the A’s. But I hope Oaktown can hold on to both teams so their fans can continue to attend and support them.

    Nice take too Twin–Charles J was local hero out of Sequoia of Redwood City, and so was Phil Smith out of USF. USF was often very good and sent others to NBA like Joe Ellis Bill Cartwright of Elk Grove and Marlon Redmond out of Balboa HS. Also San Quentin Dailey that got the program ultimately suspended.

    • chipower9 said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:22 pm

      Everything I have read is the Warriors move to Mission Bay near the Phone Park is a done deal. I actually look forward to the move.

  32. unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    L John, yeah Nellie’s demise was the lack of a big guy in the middle. I mean, dragging Alton Lister out of mothballs was no good, and the ill-fated deal to get Billy Owen was the beginning of the end

    If only the Warriors hadn’t traded Chief. . . .

  33. unca_chuck said, on March 25, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Yeah, I’ll be bummed if they leave Oakland. I was bummed when they left SF. It just sucks to think that now that the team is good, they’ll turn their backs on them and yup it up in SF. The fans stuck through some God-awful times with the epic dipshttery of Chris Cohan and co, and even before that after the glordy days in the mid 70ss.

    I was a huge fan from the late 60s up until the Spree incident and the ineptitude that followed. When Nellie and Chris Mullin came came back I started watching them again. They had their moments with Gilbert Arenas and Jason Richardson, but that faded real quick til Lacob and the rest took over.

    Big sea change thats for sure, but it’ll be sad when the die-hards in Oakland lose their b-ball team, along with the baseball and football teams but I could give a rat’s ass about either.

  34. snarkk said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    I was in high school when the Dubs won the last champeenship. What a great year that was, and listening to the games with Bill King. With a buddy I saw one game the next season (they were even better that season, but didn’t make it through the conference finals) at the Coliseum Arena. Warriors were playing the Lakers. Barry went off for 38 through 3 quarters, and Attles sat Barry the entire 4th quarter, the game was already out of hand. Kareem was playing, I think his first year with the Lakers, so I can say I saw the Skyhook live once. People who never saw Rick play live can’t appreciate how good this dude was. He shot the ball like a 2 iron. Not much height. Into the bucket and boom!, down through the net. If they had 3 pointers then, he’d probably have averaged 40 a game for the season. The thing people don’t realize is how good a passer he was. He threw the rock around like a baseball. He’d whistle a pass from the corner baseline underneath the bucket to George J for a 2 handed dunk. He circled around outside the top of the key with Johann setting a pick, and catch a pass and up for a 20 foot J all in one motion. Curry is great, but imagine a guy with Curry’s skills that is 6 foot 8. Rick was a taller guy with handling skills like Curry, and with his creativity, with shooting skills better than Klay. That, and being an all pro prick…

    • zumiee said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:18 pm

      I thought Barry did a pretty good job with that afternoon time-slot he had at KNBR for a while. But, probably predictably, he ended up leaving.

      • snarkk said, on March 25, 2015 at 10:27 pm

        zum, Barry doesn’t know when to stop saying what he really believes. He doesn’t care what others think about what he’s saying. In a way, his attitude is refreshing. You never have to guess where Rick is on any subject. He’ll tell you, and not give an S about how you might feel about it. On balance, I’m OK with him. People bashed him a coupla years ago when he came to the rescue of Lacob at Mullin’s number retirement game. When the crowd booed Lacob, essentially for trading Monta, Barry told the crowd “This is crazy…”, this guy is doing great things to improve this team. Barry got skewered at the time for saying that. He had the balls to tell off 20,000 people at the time… and has been proved right…

    • 10Boo said, on March 26, 2015 at 6:29 am

      Bill King was an obnoxious ref-baiter.

      • unca_chuck said, on March 26, 2015 at 8:49 am

        Get-a-life, sha na na na sha na na na na . . .

  35. snarkk said, on March 25, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    Oh, and BTW, the Giants were valued by Forbes today at around $2 billion. An EBITDA = operating income of 68 million on 387 million in total revenues = 3rd highest in MLB. I’ve said before I thought they were worth more than the previous valuations said, especially due to their ownership of the stadium property, and then the obviously huge run up in revenue from various streams due to the WS wins. So, the lament of Sabean and Baer on any kind of limited “budget” talk on the payroll is patently laughble. The 4th most valuable franchise in MLB needs to find some outfielders — and it can pay for them out of petty cash…

    • 10Boo said, on March 26, 2015 at 6:30 am

      The explanation is that they’re Republicans obsessed with non-existent deficits and reckless spending.

      • unca_chuck said, on March 26, 2015 at 8:50 am

        And the Dodgers are paragons of fiduciary responsibility.

      • 10Boo said, on March 27, 2015 at 8:10 am

        What does that have to do with anything? We’re all SFers here.

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