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Bring Back Nate!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 28, 2015

Looks like Nate the great Schierholtz isn’t going to make the team in Texas. Why wouldn’t we bring him back to play for a month while Pence heals? He knows right field as good as anyone. He knows the team, uh, he knows where the stadium is located….reaching here.

But I’d rather let him play than Maxwellwhoever….


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  1. twinfan1 said, on March 28, 2015 at 10:31 am

    You shouldn’t be drinking this early, Craig 😉

  2. Nipper said, on March 28, 2015 at 10:40 am

    Perhaps as a coach in San Jose. Can tell the youngsters how to make it in the majors.

  3. pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 11:18 am

    John Bowker. You watch. (No, not serious.)

  4. twinfan1 said, on March 28, 2015 at 11:28 am

    Maxwell is much more athletic than I expected. And he’s a bro.( Black guys really are down with old honkies trying to talk a like them)

  5. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Here’s the coolest use of “honky” in a song ever. This is a very nice cover version of “Honky Cat”:

    • SanDawg said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      That IS a nice version of that song.

      Bringing Nate back to play right field is kind of like drinking whiskey from a bottle of wine…

      (Actually, I’m down with Nate idea. I need something to add a little spice to this off-season.)

      • zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:48 pm

        And what a great ukulele; that’s a work of art!

  6. HoeDB said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Honkey lips, t w a t lips, all good

  7. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    Not to make too much of last night’s Giants game, but they had a lot of good ABs in that game. They were patient at the plate; they made the Dodger pitchers come into the strikezone, and the Giants had good approaches, overall. Greinke was not able to hold that 4-3 lead with Blanco at the plate. Blanco’s got a good eye at the plate, and Greinke threw (on a 3-2 pitch, I think) a fastball on the inside part of the plate, and Blanco pulled his hands in and raked a fair ball down the rightfield line for a double to tie the game. And then Heston gave the Giants the lead with a hit off Greinke.
    The game showed the template for Giants success this season. No one batter trying to do too much. Just strive for good ABs, take the walks when they’re there, and try to hit the ball hard when you get a hittable pitch, in a way that makes sense with how you’re being pitched, like when Duffy hit an outside pitch to rightfield for a triple.

  8. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    And I vote no on Nate. One of the reasons is he’s a lefthanded hitter, and the Giants need that back-up outfield spot to be a righthanded hitter, I think.

  9. blade3colorado said, on March 28, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    Go Duffster! Go Zags! No Nate! No Duke! That about covers it for today . . . 🙂

  10. wilcojoe said, on March 28, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    Wasn’t Nate one of the leagues best pinch hitters last year with the Nats? I woukd take him over Ishi in a hearbeat. However I would take Maxwell over both (more power, more athletic, more speed). I would have no problem if they dfa last year’s hero in favor of Nate.

  11. 10Boo said, on March 28, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    Bowker makes the most sense.

  12. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    Peavy was let down by the defense in the first inning. Perez dropped a very catchable ball, and Adrianza made a throwing error.

  13. SanDawg said, on March 28, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Nate over Ishi? I’m down with bringing back Nate, but not in place of Ishi. I’m way too emotional and sentimental to sign off on that move. For me, the helmet slam bought Ishi 2 years as a made man in some capacity on this team.
    Maxwell is black—and has power, speed, and athleticism??? I’m intrigued in a Chris Young meets Lastings Milledge kind of way.

    • zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      Maxwell comes through!

    • wilcojoe said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:31 pm

      Yeah but it’s that sentimental bullshit that seems to get us in trouble. Listen, no one will ever forget what he did, but let’s also not forget the guy almost retired from the game he was so bad. I don’t think we can expect anything more from the guy. . On a club that is going to struggle to score runs, you gotta have the 25 best guys out there. In one week, there will be guys cut loose that can bring more than Ishi. I hope they don’t fail to make the right move just because of sentiment.

      • wilcojoe said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:43 pm

        And let’s face it, wouldn’t you rather have your last memory of Ishi being one of the greatest moments in Giants history? If he is batting .150 for the first two months of the season and the Giants get of to a poor start, no one is going to be talking about his Bobby Thompson heroics anyway.

  14. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    A NY Times article from a couple of years ago, that I came across recently: interesting story of a guy who was an early member kicked out of the band Nirvana, then kicked out of Soundgarden, then left the music world completely and became a member of the U.S. Army Special Forces, involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places.

    • 10Boo said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      Can he play RF?

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Great story.

  15. ewisco said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    maxwell with a loooong homer to take lead against mariners.

  16. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    High school hoops is great, but I just wish the playoffs weren’t so dominated by private school all-star teams basically. Very few public schools can make it to the championship games, given the advantage private schools have of getting players from all over:
    Girls: Division V: La Jolla Country Day vs. Palo Alto Eastside Prep, 10 a.m.; Division III: Brea Olinda vs. Oakland Bishop O’Dowd, 2 p.m.; Division I: Gardena Serra vs. Sacramento McClatchy, 6 p.m.
    Boys: Division V: Chatsworth Sierra Canyon vs. San Francisco University, noon; La Verne Damien vs. Moraga Campolindo, 4 p.m.; Division I: Chino Hills vs. Danville San Ramon Valley, 8 p.m.
    Girls: Division IV: Chatsworth Sierra Canyon vs. Stockton Brookside Christian, 10 a.m.; Division II: Alhambra Mark Keppel vs. San Jose Archbishop Mitty, 2 p.m.; Open Division: Santa Ana Mater Dei vs. Stockton St. Mary’s, 6 p.m.
    Boys: Division IV: Encino Crespi vs. Sacramento Capital Christian, noon; Division II: La Mirada vs. San Jose Archbishop Mitty, 4 p.m.; Open Division: Santa Ana Mater Dei vs. Oakland Bishop O’Dowd, 8 p.m.

  17. 10Boo said, on March 28, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    Peavy’s certainly solidified his spot in the rotation.

  18. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    Giants win; Strickland had a nice clean ninth inning. The numbers game suggests he starts the season in Sac-town, though.
    Romo, Casilla, Lopez, Affeldt, Petit, Vogelsong, and Machi are probably the seven relievers to start the season in the bigs.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      no Bochy?

  19. pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    Nice win. And on top of beating LAD yesterday, is it the first time we get back-to-back wins this spring? And furthermore is it first time for two come-from-behind victories? Optimism surging like an Adderall cocktail.

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    My latest little book, which has zero to do with baseball, SF, or sports:

  21. pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Jim Duquette at sees Shane Victorino going to the Giants in a trade.

    • 10Boo said, on March 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      He’d be a huge upgrade on everybody else in the OF.

  22. Macdog said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:36 pm

    Good game between Wisconsin and Arizona, though the refs were a little whistle happy. This should’ve been a Final Four matchup, but the hardly objective NCAA opted for at least one undeserving team as top seed on the other side of the bracket.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on March 28, 2015 at 5:52 pm

      Dog, I’m reading Richard Ford’s latest. All Jersey Shore stuff. Your terrain. “Frank Bascombe,” former sportswriter.

      • Macdog said, on March 28, 2015 at 7:04 pm

        Cool. I’ve never read him, is most of his stuff Jersey-based, or just the latest?

      • willedav said, on March 28, 2015 at 9:11 pm

        Mac, I’m reading Richard Price “Freedomland”, pretty cool story set in Jersey.
        He is really funny.

  23. blade3colorado said, on March 28, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    Schierholtz, 31, slash line of .195/.243/.309 in 383 plate appearances with the Cubs and Nationals last season is pathetic. Didn’t do jack in spring training to separate himself from a mediocre Rangers outfield of cast offs (Rua, Smolinski, Peguero, and DeShields). IMO, put a fork in him – he’s done.

    I hope Duquette is wrong about Victorino coming here . . . He had a great comeback year in 2013 (age 32), but last season – small sample size due to injury – he sucked. IMO, he is an old 34. The dude said that he was going back to switch-hitting, after giving it up last year. Yet, several sources say he is now back to hitting exclusively right-handed. According to, Victorino is much better hitting from the left side (.325) than the right side (.241) of the plate. Currently, he is flailing in spring training. Also, he is a free agent next season, so if the Giants do a trade, I hope they don’t open up the “prospect vault” to acquire him.

  24. stickman said, on March 28, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    Maxwell’s fireworks today did it. My take is that he made the team today. So no resurrection of Nate is likely unless he would be willing to start at Sac-town. Nice to see the pipeliners come through with that rally in the 9th. Unlikely any in that bunch of latter-day heros will get more than a possible cuppa coffee come September, but ah, the memories…

  25. James said, on March 28, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    “I’m intrigued in a Chris Young meets Lastings Milledge kind of way.”

    I appreciate this line.

  26. Flavor said, on March 28, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    jesus, you guys are acting like I want the Giants to sign Nate a 7 year/250 mil deal. We need coverage for a fucking MONTH. He knows RF. And the guy can play a little, anyone think Ishi couldn’t play *a little?* Cause I don’t hear anyone hating on him.
    Maxwell will make the team, they won’t sign Nate, I just think it’s a good idea for 30 freaking days.

  27. blade3colorado said, on March 28, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Cargo is Nogo . . . left yesterday’s spring training game after experiencing pain in his surgically repaired left knee. OH OH! Dip shit clueless owner and new GM will regret not trading him and Tulo prior to this season. Also, the Brew crew is salivating about going against the Sherpas opening day starter, K. Kendrick (a #5 pitcher on any other team).

  28. zumiee said, on March 28, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Maxwell’s silver hammer probably sealed the deal today, on his making the big club until Pence gets back. It was a game-changing HR. A 4-1 deficit turned into a 4-4 tie, with one swing of the bat, against a quality pitcher. Maybe Maxwell can turn a game around, in April, like Pill did in the first half of 2012 against Kershaw. The Giants were losing 1-0 and his 2-run HR won the game 2-1, and set a nice tone for the rest of that season. It was just one game, but it really lifted the Giants to beat Kershaw like that. Maybe Maxwell has a moment like that in him.

  29. SanDawg said, on March 28, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    Notre Dame gave em a helluva run. I had them to win it all in a $20 pool with 52 total participants. Only one other guy had ND and I was ahead of him.
    That one stung a bit on a couple of levels.
    James appreciating my black outfielder line does help lift my spirits.
    I thought the Soundgarden dude article was outstanding.

    • Macdog said, on March 28, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      ND did just about everything right — until those two lousy possessions before the desperation try at the end.

  30. Nipper said, on March 28, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    Spring is full of maybe’s…….

  31. SanDawg said, on March 28, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    Zumie–My little country high school has one of those outrageously talented private school teams in our league. We used to be able to hang with them occasionally, but they moved to a shiny new campus and brought in a new coach, and now they’re loaded with serious ballers. Our boys varsity team has maybe 2 guys who can make 7 out of 10 free throws. Ironically, our girls varsity team is loaded with talent and they like to play in a feisty, step on their throat and never let up 80’s Georgetown style. When we went to play these guys at their place, our girls destroyed them and never called off the dogs. We had lost one guy to grades, another to pot smoking, and our best player didn’t come to school at all that day—probably because he new we were going to endure an epic beatdown. I sat with our varsity coach (I’m the JV coach) during the girls game and he turned to me and said “thanks in part to our girls program, we may lose 150-7.” At one point, we were down 38-0. The halftime score was 54-2. I felt awful for our guys. I kept thinking we might end up on the Jimmy Fallon show or something, the way things were going. Zach making that shot to keep us from getting shutout in the first half was probably the biggest basket of the season for the entire boys program. They did ease up in the second half and it ended something like 80-25.
    Down here in SD county, they have made some changes to base division placement on talent and not enrollment, but obviously we still have a few bugs to work out.

    • willedav said, on March 28, 2015 at 9:21 pm

      SD, I’ve been in games like those, esp vs. private schools. It’s just wrong and the public schools usually suffer.
      There’s no calling off the dogs for them (and they’ll do it to each other too), and I’ve heard the excuse, “That’s the only way we know how to play.” Which of course is BS–your team of elite players can do whatever they’re told.

      It’s irritating as F–that team can chill and get every sub big minutes, not run the break, take 20 seconds off the clock/make sure everyone gets a touch before a shot, not play any pressure D, yada yada. What can those kids possibly learn by being up by 50 at half, except all the wrong lessons about why you play the game.

  32. willedav said, on March 28, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    Btw SD, Paris Austin, the PG for O’Dowd who was leading scorer for them last week when they won NorCal, is headed to Boise St, so he’ll meet up with the Hensley kid from Damien headed to Aztecs in league next year.

  33. pawliekokonuts said, on March 29, 2015 at 7:23 am

    Macdog, the Frank Bascombe books by Richard Ford inhabit a mythical Jersey Shore, like Faulkner’s Yoknapowtophna County (however that is spelled).
    Wiiliedav, I love Richard Price. Loved Freedomland, Lush Life, Clockers. Want to read his latest, by “Richard Price writing as Harry Brandt.”

  34. pawliekokonuts said, on March 29, 2015 at 7:28 am

    By the way, when I saw Nate in his very short time as a Syracuse Chief, he looked lost at the plate, lost. Swings and misses. He was no Manny Burriss! I was kind of surprised the Nats brought him up, and quickly. They needed his glove, and warm bodies in the outfield, because of injuries.

  35. willedav said, on March 29, 2015 at 7:41 am

    Sorry Flav, but bringing in Nate isn’t going to help club in long run. Let Maxwell or Perez or Aoki/Blanco handle it, more RH the better. Pence finished the reg season 2014 with his worst month of all being Sept., so maybe more rest will help him stay fresh—meaning someone above needs to be out there more throughout the year, not just the first month.

    O’Dowd-Mater Dei game was great, 1 point victory for NorCal in OT. Best player on floor was the Austin kid, PG going to Boise St. Second best was Mater Dei kid going to Notre Dame, Rex Pflueger. He can knock down 3s, create his own shot off step back, and set screens/back cut to hoop and play within system. No one could guard the Austin kid and he set up the game winner by dribbling out of a trap and feeding post.

  36. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 29, 2015 at 8:08 am

    I’m down with the pride of Danville as much as anyone but I think Maxwell has solidified his spot for the first 4 weeks at least. Schierholtz may have the longest bomb in Banquet Beer Field history but he’s just too inconsistent for a team searching for power on offense. Ishikawa has the left handed PH, occasional outfielder role locked up.

  37. wilcojoe said, on March 29, 2015 at 9:04 am

    Anyone else not real excited about the idea of batting Pagan third? I would prefer to see Posey or Belt in a 3-4 role (okay to flip flop those) and Pagan a bit further down the lineup. The top two spots seem like a more natural fit as well. Not sure the method behind the thought process with this one.

    • 10Boo said, on March 29, 2015 at 9:55 am

      Batting orders in spring training games mean little or nothing. Even so, for the 30 or so games he’ll play this year, it probably wouldn’t make much difference.

    • willedav said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:08 am

      Baggs mentioned that, wilco–he’d hit Posey 3rd/Belt 4th. While I don’t put much stock in ST numbers, Pagan (like Panik and a few others) is not off to good start. Hopefully reg ABs going forward get these guys rolling.

      Problem, imo, is who protects Belt?
      I’d do it the other way around, but issue remains the same, esp as long as Pence is out. Who else is there to scare an opposing pitcher/make them throw strikes to Belt and Posey?

      I know it’s only someone’s educated guesses, but the positional rankings for WAR that have been on F/G during this past week show very low numbers for SF (bottom third of all baseball) at 3b, LF and CF. They don’t think much of Pagan’s numbers as 33 yr old CF with recent injury history going forward, projecting him as only 1.5 WAR player and Blanco as his back up worse than that.

  38. Macdog said, on March 29, 2015 at 9:58 am

    Susac, Duvall, Brown, Strickland and Perez are optioned to Sacramento, so it looks like Hector and Maxwell for now.

    • willedav said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:22 am

      O-O-O made his 4th error of ST yesterday at SS. Another stat to be ignored, or not?
      According to what I’ve read, Adrianza was supposed to be best defensive back up SS.

      • twinfan1 said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:38 am

        Errors are hardly the only benchmarks in assessing defensive performance. If so, Crawford was the 21st worst of 22 SS qualifiers.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:28 am

      Ishi and Maxwell will be one of the best left/right duos off the bench in the league. Maxwell has been a monster pinch hitter in his career and Ishi has always been a good pinch hitter.

  39. twinfan1 said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:01 am

    From Joe-“Wasn’t Nate one of the leagues best pinch hitters last year with the Nats?” He was 3 for 33.

    • Alleykat said, on March 29, 2015 at 10:36 am

      Yikes that stat stinks Twin.
      On the other hand Nate is on pace for the “Damien Omen” award 666..6 for 66

    • wilcojoe said, on March 29, 2015 at 12:27 pm

      Thanks Mike. I just specifically remember the announcers during our playoff series against the Nats saying how Nate was one of the best PH in the league. They may have been referring to his 2013 season which was unquestionably the best of his career. Of course this was coming from the TBS crew.

  40. giants54 said, on March 29, 2015 at 11:11 am

    Too much baggage with Nate, imo. I’m sure he doesn’t want to come back here, either.

  41. giants54 said, on March 29, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Maxwell is RH pop….they are obviously acknowledging this team is light there especially with Susac going down.

    • giants54 said, on March 29, 2015 at 11:19 am

      And Pence out.

  42. twinfan1 said, on March 29, 2015 at 11:32 am

    Optioned or reassigned:
    Susac, Perez,Hunter Strickland, third baseman Adam Duvall and outfielder Gary Brown. Catcher Guillermo Quiroz, infielder Brandon Hicks, left-hander Steven Okert, right-hander Juan Gutierrez and right-hander Brett Bochy .

  43. Flavor said, on March 29, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    newer, sadder thread.

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