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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 6, 2015

Lots going on today: Giants/Philly, then we find out if American Pharoah can do what no horse has done since Affirmed, then in the evening Joe kicks my ass in DFS again. 🙂

Not sure about Pharoah today. There’s got to be something to this recurring theme of a horse who wins the Derby and the Preakness only to get taken down by a rested horse who’s been laying in the weeds all Spring. Who knows, it has to happen some time, right?

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  1. wilcojoe said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Ha! I wonder who has a better chance of winning three in a row, me or AP? I just set the alarm on my phone, so I don’t miss the race while I am out and about today. Go Giants, go AP, go me!

  2. ewisco said, on June 6, 2015 at 10:28 am

    go wilco!

  3. Carstie Clausen said, on June 6, 2015 at 10:30 am

    If Bumgarner is on his game today, things could be looking good in Philly. Know nothing about the pitcher for the Phils and hoping our hitters have watched plenty of video on the guy and are being well instructed by the various coaches on proper approaches while at bat. Giants have some ground to make up after being schooled by the Pirates three best pitchers. Over the past 6 games we are one and 5.

  4. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 11:15 am

    I still don’t get the McDP call up. I heard Bruce Jenkins this morning on Marty Lurie’s show, I think Jenkins is way overrated as some sports sage, but he was right on, because he agreed with me. 😉 He couldn’t figure out why McDP was there, other than the Giants want to get something out of his contract. Duffy beat this guy fair and square for the starting spot, now they bring him back, and the only position he possibly can play is third. How is that supposed to help Duffy develop? They play nicey nicey with each other — BFD. I think it’s stoopid. Duffy is quicker, younger, has more range, more pop, better plate discipline, better OBP — he’s just friggin better. One category McDP wins — he’s older. If McDP goes on a tear in one game, does Bochy play him the next day over Duffy? I would get it if Duffy had been imploding. He’s been fine, in fact, better than fine. The Giants management fucks with the minds of young players a lot, and it bothers me. What does this move say about Arias, because he’s played utility 3rd on occasion. Now, he’s relegated to SS or 2nd duty, since 1b is covered by Belt and Posey. I would dump McDP before Arias, at least Arias can cover all IF positions, if needed. It’s just friggin’ weird…

  5. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    Philly fans are showing true colors. Their team sucks, so attendance has cratered. In 2010, they had 3.7 million, in 2014, it was down to 2.4 million, and this year so far is averaging 57% of capacity. Giants had crap teams in the dark era of 2005-2009, but still had 3 million fans per year. 2008 and 2009 were the lowest at just below 2.9 million, and that was at the depths of the Great Recession. You can attribute some of that to the greatness that is ATT Park, but that might get you to 2 million fans with a dogmeat team, not 3+ million…

  6. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    BTW, Giants are the 3rd most watched club in MLB as a road team. They play to an average house of 76.5% full — only the Dodgers and Cubs are higher road attractions…
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/sort/awayPct

  7. Flavor said, on June 6, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    I don’t get the McDeePeep call up either. So what if he raked triple A pitching. Shouldn’t even the worst big leaguers be able to do that? Even at his BEST he’s still worse than Duffy on almost every measurement (speed, power, defense, the ability to not hit into 3 DP’s a game)

    • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      It’s clearly the contract IMO. Giants want to get something out of their $4 million. At some point, a 3 time WS champ has to act like one — if you make a bad move like this, it’s a case of shit happens — cut your loss and move on. McDP career wise is a crap fielder — the excuse that he can mentor Duffy is baloney. Wotus has been an IF coach for decades — he can give instruction better than McDP…

  8. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Posey as the cleanup guy can’t K there with guys on 2nd and 3rd, with the IF back giving him an RBI if he just makes contact. If Belt K’s there, people are on his ass like flies on a milk cow. Then Belt got his job done with a long sac fly to get a run in…

  9. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    Giants really should sweep this sad sack Philly team.
    Francouer is a starting OFer? I thought he was totally done when he had that cup o coffee with the Giants — what was it, 2012?…

    • Flavor said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      I’d have to look it up but wasn’t Francour here last year? Or was that uggla and francour was 2013? On my pH, will check at a more convenient time

      • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:44 pm

        2013. I checked…

      • alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:45 pm

        2013 Frenchy played for us at the end of the season. He stunk for us and he continues to stink!!
        Why he’s still in the league baffles me, just like McDP…

      • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm

        I must have jinxed it. I dumped on Frenchy, so he rips a Gran Salami off Bum.
        That is beyond unreal…

  10. Carstie Clausen said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    Two I.P., 52 pitches for Gonzalez. The death of a thousand cuts offense is back in action. First inning Bumgarner exited with 8 pitches thrown,

  11. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm

    Duffman with another RBI!…

  12. pawliekokonuts said, on June 6, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    I say American Pharoah will do it.

  13. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    Duffman with the dubble, just missed the HR!
    Yeah, let’s play McDP instead…

  14. Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    Can you guys stop ripping on Frenchy already?

    • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:09 pm

      I’m convinced. The guy is awesome…

      • Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm

        Frenchy was on the Giants playing LF when I saw them play Phils in 2013. He still had that cannon of an arm, and when then-third base coach Ryne Sandberg tried to send a runner home on a 2-out single, French easily nailed the guy.

  15. alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Hey Snarkk, I’m just as guilty, soon as I talk smack about French Fry he slams one, but it was on Bum’s pitch selection which was downtown Broadway, you give him off speed pitches he’s dead meat.. BTW he still stinks!!😃

    • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:10 pm

      Yeah, that’s on Bum. He’s been a little prone to giving up the long ball so far. He’s given up 9 now, tied with Huddy and Voggy to lead the starters…

  16. giants54 said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    It’s strictly Duffy’s job barring injury. Mcg is the vet backup ph at this point. He’s getting a little more hemp because of the millions they paid and the 177 hits last yr. Adrianza would be the alternative.

    Might as well see if indeed Casey is finito. Would suck if they cut him loose and he got it together, then Duffy went down with an injury.

  17. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    I was thinking about Frenchy still playing and what does that say about the quality of OFers now in MLB. Then, Philly of yesteryear with guys like Richie/Dick Allen on the infield that could hit the cover off the ball. It’s a friggin shame there are so few African American baseball players now, and coming up. MLB needs more black kids to get into the game, and raise the quality level. I’m trying to imagine guys like Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving or some of these NFL running backs and Russel Wilson, etc., playing in MLB. Would be great to see. The money is huge in baseball, so it’s not the money. MLB has to reach out and get to these kids early to get them interested…

  18. Carstie Clausen said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    Giants have been having trouble scoring in the latter innings of games. Bumgarner, needing to atone for this 4th inning sins, shows them how it’s done. Interestingly, he has gone 6 full on a total of 68 pitches ~ one of his best economy of pitches performances this season ~ barely over 11 per.

  19. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Don’t know if you guys remember that Ken Burns documentary Civil War, quite some years ago, one of his first ones, and the best IMO. Last night I heard this song being played by a single fiddle player, while walking out of a brew pub. Was being played by a guy in a band next door, outside. Haunting, and I remembered the Series. When I hear it, I can see the Gettysburg battlefield, and all the monuments there, which I’ve visited several times. And, I imagine the madness, the carnage and bravery of those three days in the history of our Great Nation — July 1,2,3 1863. And, today is the 71st anniv. of D-day…
    http://tinyurl.com/omtwxd6

  20. Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    Good job all around, offense gave MadBum more than enough rope to make it through 8 and give the bullpen a much-needed break.

  21. blade3colorado said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    Aoki was nails.

  22. Carstie Clausen said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    This had to be one of MadBum’s most unusual outings ~ five runs on 6 hits, no walks, 99 pitches with eight innings completed for his 7th win of the season. He is probably more proud of his 2 for 4 today with that critical 7th inning RBI. He keeps getting victimized by the longball, but SF hitters provided enough punch to get him across the line. Vogie goes tomorrow. Except for Casilla, the bullies have had a bit of rest. Can these guys pull off a road-sweep. Maybe some incentive as the LaBumbos face their consistent nemesis.

  23. Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    Pharoah did it!

  24. alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    And it’s “American Pharroah” with a dominating performance to win the triple crown!!
    1st Triple Crown winner since Affirmed in 1978… Great to see the long drought over!!

    • Flavor said, on June 6, 2015 at 4:20 pm

      agreed. Relief. I didn’t expect it to be that emotional, but it was (for me).

  25. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Post game KNBR wrap guys tried to say Bum pitched great, and he did have 11 Ks, 78 strikes out of 98 pitches, but hey, you give up 2 bombs for 5 runs, that is NOT a well pitched game. He’s given up 10 HRs now, that’s a lot for 1/3 of the season. He tends to have a lack of concentration once in a while, and gives up a dinger on a gopher ball…

  26. blade3colorado said, on June 6, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    So AK, Flavor, Loo, and anyone else who knows a bit about horse racing/triple crown . . . Where does American Pharoah rank with this list of Triple Crown winners – Sir Barton (1919), Gallant Fox (1930), Omaha (1935), War Admiral (1937), Whirlaway (1941), Count Fleet (1943), Assault (1946), Citation (1948), Secretariat (1973), Seattle Slew (1977) and Affirmed (1978)?

    Or, overall is this horse and horses in general, hard to judge with horses from other eras (as it is with football players, baseball players, etc.)?

    Inquiring minds want to know . . . 🙂

  27. ewisco said, on June 6, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    if i remember correctly, secretariat won all three in record times and just blasted the field at Belmont.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 6, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      Same tracks Eric?

      • ewisco said, on June 7, 2015 at 8:25 am

        absolutely. it’s always run there. if you watch it, there’s no other horse within 20 lengths. arguably the greatest run by a horse ever. if I understand the story, they kept him kind of pent up in the derby and the Preakness and they were trying to do the same at the Belmont. husband his strength and then win down the stretch. apparently he had other ideas and when the jockey let him just run, he was unbelievable. there’s that opening line in Chariots of Fire that was sort of corny: when I run, I can feel HIS pleasure. I’m not religious but as a national level swimmer, there were times when I sort of felt that. Enough so that I think I can relate to what it must have been like to have that kind of talent and just let it go.

      • ewisco said, on June 7, 2015 at 8:28 am

  28. alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Well for me Blade it’s only 1 horse that just totally blew me away and that’s “Secretariat” who still owns all 3 track records at Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and Belmont which he won by blowing out the field by 31 lengths and all you saw down the stretch drive on TV was Secretariat and dust behind him!!!He just dominated races..
    American Pharoah’s good some will say great, but not nearly as fast as “The Greatest Horse Ever Secretariat”IMO..

    • xoot said, on June 6, 2015 at 6:10 pm

      Secretariat was astonishing. I know next to nothing about horses–one summer riding class with some law school friends, that’s it. But I remember Secretariat. On a day like this, I remember watching the tv broadcasts of Secretariat’s racing. I also remember a short short story by Carson McCullers, The Jockey. Worth a look. AP, however, was terrific this year. Even I can appreciate that fact.

  29. giants54 said, on June 6, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    My hat is off to American Pharoah and his handlers. The Second fastest Belmont time after Big Red. And this is a horse who isn’t supposed to be bred for a mile and a half. In this era, he now stands on top for accomplishing something no other horse could in 37 yrs.
    Some will question the competition quibble he had easy trips etc….but 7 of 8 overall. Impressive animal.

  30. willedav said, on June 6, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    Snarkk, I think most everyone agrees Duffy should be the every day guy at 3b, but.
    Giants do have reason to be concerned about some things, notably how he hits at home and vs. LHP.

    On the season his avg. vs. LHP is .195, and vs. LHSP it’s .132, 5 for 38.

    Before the road trip he was 10-44 with 12 Ks. At home all year he’s hitting only .227 with .592 OPS.

    Sabes signed MacG (bad move I thought as another dink singles hitter) because he and scouts/brain trust saw some things they liked last year. I’m sure they still feel he can contribute if needed and they just are not ready to give Duff the job unconditionally. I’d also guess they got glowing reports from Sac coaching staff. None of this is done in a vacuum., and I’d also bet Bochy is on this decision big time.

    There is also the other side–Giants bench other than blanco sucks. The other options would be Adrianza, Duvall, Frandsen, or Ishi. Ishi is pretty one dimensional, OOO and Duvall probably would be better served to play everyday, and Frandsen too for a while at least.
    I still think Mac gets put on waivers soon but right now he is just insurance and as someone else pointed out on previous thread, he’d play 3b if Duff plays 2b or SS to give Panik or Craw a day off.

  31. alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Boch is starting McDP tomorrow, so even though he says Duffy will get the ” lions share of PT” that statement alone could mean open competition again or hot hand syndrome..
    Man I hate that Vet mentality Boch still hangs on to at times. Duffy does everything better then Magoo but still has to prove it to Bochy every game out. Just let the kid play,and save McDP for blow-out losses when another one of his DP’s won’t matter..

  32. James said, on June 6, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    I see there’s no http://www.horseracing-reference.com.

  33. willedav said, on June 6, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Remember too, Duffy has a total of 200 ABs in his career. No one knows what type of career he will have; there are plenty of guys who get off to good starts and fall downhill quickly after that. It’s not unfair for Bochy to play him 2 out of every 3 games, and might ultimately keep him on more even keel and not get too down or up.

    The Giants are trying to win a pennant too, not just play kids to see what they’ve got like the chump teams.

    • snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 8:39 pm

      McDP has done jack to show he’s helping to win a pennant. Squat, save a grand slam and one 3 hit game I saw in person with the Flappers. Duffman played well again today. McDP can go back to sac..

  34. zumiee said, on June 6, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Panda benched again today (unless he’s injured), as the Red Sox beat the A’s again.

  35. alleykat69 said, on June 6, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Well I guess we’re fortunate that Bochy stuck it out with Joe Panik and his career 287 AB’s last year WillieD, otherwise we probably don’t win another W/S title!
    McDP= Uggla

  36. zumiee said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Great first day of the Bay Area Book Festival today. Huge turnout. It caused an occasional logistical glitch at the event, but it’s the first year of the festival, and it’ll be a learning experience for all involved. The weather was super nice. 90 degrees in the Valley today, but 65 degrees, with cloud cover in Berkeley today. Very nice.
    We had breakfast at a really cool diner, Ole’s, in Alameda. I had three awesome pancakes and two well-done eggs. Excellent breakfast. It may well have been the first time I’ve ever been in Alameda.

  37. zumiee said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    Dodgers score two, and the way Kershaw’s pitching, that may be the ballgame for the Cards.

  38. djloo27 said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Blade: I can only compare AP to the 3 I saw. Secretariat was a complete freak of nature. Slew and Affirmed went on to prove their greatness as 4 year-olds. Since Pharoah won’t have that opportunity, we’ll never know if he’s on their level. So as impressive as he has been, there’s no way he can ever surpass those three TC winners. It’s not his fault – just the way it is now…

    • Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      Yeah, he’s likely run his last race.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 6, 2015 at 10:45 pm

      Thanks for the info Loo (AK, Eric and Xoot too). I learned something – I had no idea how good Secretariat was.

  39. zumiee said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    It may turn out the Cards were almost no-hit tonight. They only have one hit through 7 1/3 so far.

  40. Macdog said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    Couple of interesting tidbits from the AP story:

    Aoki raised his major league-leading road batting average to .407.

    Belt went 0 for 3 and is now 0 for 17 in Philadelphia.

  41. zumiee said, on June 6, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    Pretty cool what the winning horse did after winning the race:

  42. willedav said, on June 6, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    Interesting that Opie (who struck out 11 and walked maybe 1 all night) hit Carpenter who eventually left the game. “Just got away?”
    Carpenter of course did burn Kershaw in last year playoff.
    Hmmnn, wonder what would happen if LaRussa was still managing STL?

    Guys, pls I’m not defending MacG, I never ever liked the guy before he had one AB here, let alone after what he’s done. I think Giants could handle 3b in house just fine, with Duvall or Adrianza as back ups, even if Duffy doesn’t ever hit much and hit 8th.

    But the guy with the 3 rings and the big head is filling out the LU card.

    And check out the LU Mattingly put out there behind Kershaw—Rollins (at .206), Ellis (at even less) and no AGon with Turner at 1b and another IF guy I never heard of.

  43. willedav said, on June 6, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    According to cbs site, Kershaw threw 75 of his 106 pitches for strikes tho one of his fastballs in the first inning hit Carpenter…who oh btw had a HR and a 3 run double off Kershaw in Game 1 of last year playoffs.
    Carp had one more AB and left game in 4th.

  44. snarkk said, on June 6, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    When they did the post mortem on Secretariat, he DID have a bigger heart than a horse his size should have had. Way bigger. Bigger heart, more blood pumping, more oxygen to the muscles. He WAS a freak of nature. An animal freight train…

  45. blade3colorado said, on June 7, 2015 at 8:39 am

    Great video Eric. There wasn’t even a horse near him. Amazing.

  46. Flavor said, on June 7, 2015 at 8:45 am

    new thread


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