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Stop Sucking at Home

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 13, 2015

Not sure about you guys, but I’m tired of the Giants under performing at home. 16-15 in our yard? Unacceptable. They have one of the best road records in either league. It makes zero sense that they can’t do even better at home. Form the hitters to the pitchers, this team, as it always is, is built to succeed at AT&T.

Starting tonight, it’s time to start playing like it.

this date in giants history: Cainer through his perfect game 3 years ago today.

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  1. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    I WENT to a couple of those under-performing games. That gets old in a hurry .
    A win tonight is a must, IMO. If we can’t match the Dodgers in the divisional games, then forget the division title.

  2. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Today’s game is on the Fox local channel- 40, for Nor. Central Valley.
    Dodger/Pads are on MLB Network.

  3. djloo27 said, on June 13, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    Parker makes his debut tonight. Had a little pre-game chat last year in NY when he was a Giant for about 2 hours. Nice kid – he was amazed I knew who he was since he wasn’t even listed in the scorecard. That game was also Duffy’s ML debut. Saw him take BP last year and the other night. He was having some difficulty elevating the ball.

    Aoki LF
    Panik 2B
    Pagan CF
    Posey C
    Belt 1B
    Crawford SS
    Duffy 3B
    Parker RF
    Vogelsong RHP

  4. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    That’s what makes the Flap so special.
    DJLoo getting in there for a in-depth pregame chat with a “bright- eyed dear in the headlights” rookie named Jarret Parker!!
    You know I remember Parker having a decent swing with some power and also K’s a little to much, but I think he will do ok tonight. Go get em Rook!!

  5. snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    For June:
    Lincecum is 1 for 4, with a double.
    McDP is 0 for 3, with a WTF?…

  6. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    Vogie’s just nibbling.

  7. snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Horrible start from Voggy, this is when the guy looks like he’s done. This is when the “don’t bother me I’m getting my game face on” Voggy the day before or day of his start is meaningless Kruk and Kuip blather. Starters other than Bum need to start going 6 or better, or this Pen is going to run outta gas in August…

  8. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    Vogie, 39 pitch first inning.

  9. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    Jesus Christ,
    Vogs sucks balls,
    Can we go back on the Road already??
    39 pitches to close out the 1st, at least it will be a short painful to watch night for him….

  10. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:53 pm


  11. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Giants rotation currently has three candidates for bullpen duty, but only two likely rotation replacements. So which of the three ~ Hudson, Lincecum and Vogelsong stays a starter when Cain returns soonest. Peavy looks to be about ready too ~ if he is ~ if not then one of the above three gets to play bully. Any suggestions?

    • alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      Hudson& Lincecum will always be starters, no question, unless a need in the playoffs.Plus their salaries in giants brass says they start as well.
      Voglesong if anyone will be lucky to even get back to the bullpen.
      Cain&Peavy only time will tell how that shakes out. Guessing Cain 1 st, hopeful the soreness is coming to an end.,Peavy plenty of ? Marks with that back, I’m not as optimist with his return..

  12. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    So we’re facing Cy Young again today.

  13. snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Why should Peavy be any better than Voggy?
    The guy is getting clobbered in rehab starts. And he’s under contract for another $12 mill or so NEXT year…

  14. snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    80+ pitches and Voggy can’t get out of the 4th?

  15. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    ‘Voggy’s only bread & butter was pitching good at home.Well that’s burnt toast now, and he’s been hammered all this month, so the writing’s on the wall going forward.
    Btw can we get a hit off Cy Webster?
    2 last night, Zip tonight!

  16. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    Agree totally with whoever suggested Pagan be moved down-roster from the three hole. Belt is okay for that slot and Duffy should be moved up a notch or two. Bat Pagan 8th until or unless he gets his punch back.

  17. Macdog said, on June 13, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    A hit!

  18. Flavor said, on June 13, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Kruk on the radio after Broadway’s SECOND pitch: “I don’t want to get TOO excited since this is the first time we’ve seen him. But…..that slider was Rob Nen-like.”
    Kruk is hilarious……

    • snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 6:41 pm

      Gotta grease the skids for another punchless performance at home vs. a virtual unknown, or a miraculous hit bonanza against a guy with great stuff. Either way, Kruk sets the table…

  19. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    In 5 1/3 innings the bullies gave up exactly one hit (Broadway’s first ML appearance) and no walks. We don’t even wanna know the stats from the first 3 2/3 innings.

  20. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Ah, fun with numbers: the Giants are now 3-6 vs. Arizona, 31-23 against everybody else.

  21. zumiee said, on June 13, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    He had two hits today, and….the Red Sox lost again.

  22. xoot said, on June 13, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    got into a discussion during the game today with a guy who wonders about the absence of African American players on the Giants’ roster. Maxwell. Great smile, etc. Giants aren’t alone, however. I took Dave Zirin down off the shelf and re-read Beisbol: How the Major Leagues Eat Their Young. You’d think as NFL becomes less and less tenable as a career (hey, wanna make money and lose your mind, too?) baseball might get more interest from African American athletes who are shorter than 6.6. All they need are fields and leagues–like the system mlb has buillt in Latin America? Maybe.

    • willedav said, on June 13, 2015 at 8:35 pm

      Part of the problem would have to do with college ball I think. No figures but I believe for baseball it’s dominated by American white guys, unlike other 2 sports. Only 20 some odd spots, and those who are recruited are often the year round traveling team kids that started very young.
      Baseball in carib has always been big, so I don’t think you can really compare it to the options athletic black kids have here. Just a harder road to get to ml and the money too in baseball–even highly drafted guys can spend years riding buses in the sticks, hard often unrewarding and unglamorous life.

      I’m reading about Showtime LA Lakers and life in the NBA early 80s…party time, drugs and women right out of college if you make the team. Contrast that with the appeal of playing for the San Jose Giants.

      • xoot said, on June 13, 2015 at 8:39 pm

        Zirin makes an interesting comparison, circa few years back, between the rise of Latin American players and the demise of African American. Worth a look. He also has a great account of the larry krueger Felipe Alou dustup over the “brain dead” slur. Check it out.

  23. Paul Sorensen said, on June 13, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Related a little to Snarkk’s mini-rants about the Giants seemingly not being interested or able to develop OFers, I read an article a couple days ago (and now cannot find it to link to it) that basically gave SF the worst draft grade of all MLB teams: a D+. Next “worst grade” was C+. Why such a loser grade? Because they hardly drafted any OFers (as Snarkk was saying earlier). I don’t know…. maybe you’re right, Tom, maybe the G’s front office isn’t interested in developing OFers because they just seemingly do so much better developing IFers and pitchers. If they’re doing a good job with IFers and pitchers, then theoretically they would only ever have to focus their free agency and trade efforts on getting OFers, thus greatly simplifying everything. Afterall, they should be able to staff an OF based just on trades and signings, if all other positions are mostly taken care of in their system. As perhaps puzzling as it is that they “don’t develop OFers”, I disagree with giving the team a D+ just because they didn’t draft OFers. Maybe that was their strategy. Maybe the picks they did make will have big impacts just down the road. This strategy has generally netted the 3 in 5. Give ’em D+ ratings all you want, I’ll take 3 in 5 (and not done yet).

  24. James said, on June 13, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    What special skills are needed to develop an OFer versus an IFer?

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      Seems that OFs are not so easy to ID. Trout got drafted at 25, I believe. Stanton went in the second round. So if the Giants draft a bunch of good pitchers and IFs, can’t they wheel and deal later, and fill their OF? Aoki, Pagan, Blanco, Pence — all joined the team that way. Hell, Barry Bonds did too.

      • James said, on June 13, 2015 at 9:57 pm

        Xoot, I don’t doubt that it’s some combination of deliberate focus, relative luck, and opportunity that’s behind the home grown OFer drought. A good hitting SS, 2B, or catcher is a more valuable player than a good hitting LFer or RFer (competence in the field taken as a given).

        Recognizing a good hitter seems like it would be independent of the position he plays.

  25. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    49ers can’t draft a WR(AJ Jenkins)
    Giants can’t draft a OF ( Gary Brown)
    Their both terrible at a key position for years…

  26. snarkk said, on June 13, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    I would put Petit in the rotation, move Voggy to middle relief. Petit, if given consistent work, has to be better than Voggy…

  27. zumiee said, on June 14, 2015 at 12:02 am

    Xoot, I read the Zirin essay; it’s in an anthology of his work that I bought. A very well-written, thought-provoking piece.
    Selig doesn’t come off well in the essay. People want to credit Selig for the money baseball makes now, as if that’s the supreme thing that makes a commissioner great. All the broadcasters, K & K included, and baseball establishment are on this quest to canonize the guy, and there’s a lot of things that were bad about Selig’s term in office, and continue to need to be addressed.

  28. willedav said, on June 14, 2015 at 7:17 am

    The rise of the traveling teams/year round concentration in one sport has taken the pool of athletes and concentrated it dramatically at HS level. This has happened for some time in all major sports–volleyball, baseball/softball, soccer and basketball. Playing even 2 different sport these days is just too hard.

    Once regular HS seasons end, club/traveling teams start up. They are expensive and demanding of time on families; missed practices equals less playing time on weekends. All sports run during summer once school is out, most b-ball teams play in summer leagues, and football practice starts then too.

    I always wonder what b-ball kids that do this are learning (other than how to get the ball to star players so team wins and coach looks good), how it is affecting their body by using same muscles and movements on hardwood year round, and what ultimate goal of parents is. College scholarship is highly unlikely and I feel kids would often be better served by playing less and working during off season on conditioning and strength training/flexibility/core training and footwork/fundamentals, especially for girls.

    • ewisco said, on June 14, 2015 at 9:14 am

      the twisco’s are still playing both baseball and football, which is nice. they’re both excellent defenders in baseball and decent hitters, even though they don’t put too much work into hitting. this summer they’ll focus on football and conditioning. They were both starters on the varsity last fall as sophomores. it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  29. willedav said, on June 14, 2015 at 8:25 am

    Maybe a day game with nice weather turns Giants bats up a notch and they send a few off vaunted AZ pitchers where they can only be caught if you have a ticket.
    DBax pitching staff (despite last couple days) is 14th in NL for ERA and no better than 11th in most other categories including runs hits Ks and HRs given up. Outside of the Anderson kid, they have 4 other starters and one on the DL with ERAs over 5.00. Delarosa is in that category after being lit up by LA recently.

  30. blade3colorado said, on June 14, 2015 at 9:33 am

    Left-handed batters have destroyed Rubby De La Rosa this season (.431 wOBA), so if you are playing DFS, today is a nice game to load up on Giants lefties, especially Belt. He has a .313 average and .950 OPS against right-handed pitching this season. I also like . . .

    Joe Panik – (LHB) – 2015 vs RH Pitching: 0.368 wOBA: 0.168 ISO: 140 wRC+
    Brandon Crawford – (LHB) – 2015 vs RH Pitching: 0.317 wOBA: 0.176 ISO: 105 wRC+

    Let’s kick some ass!

  31. unca_chuck said, on June 14, 2015 at 9:48 am

    Fuckin d-bags have our number this year. They always seem to though.

  32. blade3colorado said, on June 14, 2015 at 10:00 am

    Looking forward to seeing how this kid, Byron Buxton plays. Phenom the Twins just called up. So many of them this year that are doing well, e.g., Bryant, Correa, Gallo, Rosario, etc.

  33. James said, on June 14, 2015 at 10:31 am

    There’s no way the Giants were going to continue to hit like they have the last month or so indefinitely. They’re just not that good, and ATT will only further suppress the numbers. Still this is a better than league average offense. Arizona’s success against SF is pure chance.

    The below average SF pitching is what needs to be fixed. The only power rankings you need to look at are OPS+ and ERA+. In terms of those relative numbers, the sole reason the Giants aren’t 3-4 games better now is the crap pitching.

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