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No Offense, No Win

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 18, 2015

Big waste of a terrific start by Bumgarner. But, what are you gonna do? The King at home is not an easy task. I hope we can hit this kid tonight. Doesn’t look like a pushover.

With Pence looking farther away from playing and Pagan in a deep, deep slump, the Giants are in a lot of trouble right now. You can’t win if you can’t score and here’s a look at our run totals for the last 7 games:

4-0-2-0-1-2-0.

That’s not just a normal downturn that all teams see throughout the season. We need Pence and Blanco back and Pagan needs to sit or get healthy or do something to fix whatever is wrong with him…….

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  1. mrsprtdude said, on June 18, 2015 at 6:58 am

    Saw we signed Scutero to a deal for the ceremonial “retire as a Giant”. Now I read we are paying him 6 million. WTF? I guess it means we are a nice organization, but maybe an extra 6 mil could have been thrown at a free agent that can actually play?

    • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:18 am

      The six mil was part of the three year, 20 mil deal the team signed with him after the 2012 World Series (2013-2015). So, that money has been on the books for a while. Me? On Scoots contributions to winning the 2012 World Series alone, I am good with that deal. Without him, we most likely are not talking “three in five.”

  2. blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:13 am

    I don’t play season long fantasy baseball anymore, but if I did, I would be grabbing this kid, Byron Buxton, an African American, who is from Baxley, Ga. (pop. 4,400). He got called up recently by the Twins. I suspect more and more blacks will choose baseball as football is perceived as dangerous to a quality long term life.

    I mentioned this on the last thread, but Flavor popped a new thread up, so not certain anyone saw this. Anywho, this person below, I know I have seen him manage or coach somewhere before . . .

    • wilcojoe said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:03 am

      That’s awesome Blade. I am going to share that with some of my Houston peeps.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:09 am

        Different topic Wilco . . . I do it waaaaay more often with Flavor, but we usually have at least 2 to 4 of the same players on H2Hs. This morning – none. That’s a first. 🙂

    • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:19 am

      Probably the firewall here…cannot see the picture.

  3. willedav said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Blade I don’t think that many kids (black or any other color) are giving up football, esp in south and midwest.
    A doofus like Richard Sherman can get a Stanford ed for free and then go make an ass out of himself and rake in millions without having to ride buses throughout minor league baseball.
    Same with b-ball—a Monta Ellis that can make it straight from HS to multi year big contracts is too great a temptation. And so many b-ball kids nowadays go one and done, just delaying it 12 months to get around rules.

    Baseball takes generally a lot longer time toiling in small towns in out of the way places before you can hit the bigs. Sad, but I don’t see a big rebound of black superstars in baseball like ’60s…too many easier roads in NFL (where guys are leaving early now too) and NBA.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:23 am

      Well, time will tell. It’s their brain . . . Ya, only get one.

      • xoot said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:59 am

        I don’t know. Saw a headline the other day about an Italian surgeon who wants to perform the first head transplant.

      • willedav said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:19 am

        I’m not saying the dangers aren’t very real, but it’s all about easier path to the money.

        I read a book years ago about Strawberry and his buddies from south central trying to make it in small towns in minors and things didn’t go too well on or especially off the field.

  4. chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Flavor – your thread today is the antithesis to the provervial “We Score. We Win.” Damn…we used to win games like last night’s, REGULARLY.

    Yeah, this (the inability to score runs) is getting frustrating. And the errors killed us last night, too (especially Pagan’s gaff).

  5. blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:46 am

    Anyone else see this Terminator video, where Arnold is pranking fans in LA? Hilarious . . .

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/arnold-schwarzenegger-gave-fans-their-moneys-121841728837.html

    • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 11:05 am

      That is fricking hilarious, Blade. Thanks for the share. Need some humor to lighten things up in Giants land…

      • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 11:10 am

        Don’t know about you, but I would have jumped too if he came “alive.” Only thing worse – one of those Aliens coming out of someone’s stomach. Ha 🙂

      • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 11:20 am

        I would have jumped out of my skin!

  6. Macdog said, on June 18, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Is nothing safe from Joe Buck anymore? Now he’s befouling the U.S Open.

  7. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 11:59 am

    MacDog
    What’s that moron saying now?

    • Macdog said, on June 18, 2015 at 12:03 pm

      I try to tune him out because hearing that grating voice doing golf is annoying enough.

  8. xoot said, on June 18, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    @GordonEdes [RSox beat writer]
    Sandoval benched, admits that was him liking photos of woman on Instagram during game Said he was using bathroom at the time

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 18, 2015 at 1:28 pm

      Sounds like Sandoval needs the stern parent approach he got in SF to avoid acting like an overgrown child.

    • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      I am so happy he is gone. Thanks for the help in winning 3 in 5. Now go play circle-jerk with your buddies Oritz and HanRam.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 2:43 pm

      How in the fuck did they find out? Must have been jerking the salami and left evidence on the bathroom door. Ha.

  9. Bozo said, on June 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    I heard a rumor that the Duffman will be batting third. Anyone else hear that?

    • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm

      Sounds like a plan. I’m down with it.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 18, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Bozo, I saw Baggs suggest it.

    I’m not clear on Big Flavor’s post regarding Pence. Other than putting his arm in a splint (which is totally no bueno) has there been additional news?

    • chipower9 said, on June 18, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      The splint info was the last I saw…

    • Bozo said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Thanks dirt, I didn’t see the Baggs article (my buddy, the rumormonger, probably did), but it does make sense to me.

  11. blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    For shit and giggles, Sabes ought to offer the Red Sox $35 million (our original offer to Pablo) to take back fat ass, with them providing the balance of his $95 million. 🙂

  12. Macdog said, on June 18, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    Duffy batting 5th: Aoki LF, Panik 2B, Pagan CF, Posey DH, Duffy 3B, Belt 1B, Susac C, Maxwell RF, Arias SS. And Vogelsong P

  13. giants54 said, on June 18, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    Duffy leads Pablo is about every category, tied for Hr’s, but with about 40 fewer PA’s.

    His OPS overall is .784 Pablo’s .733. Who would have taken that bet back in ST?

    Duffer OPS has jumped every month…

    April .642
    May .778
    June..924

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm

      Is anybody in the NL outplaying Duffy for Rookie of the Year? Even if there is a rook out there with even more elevated stats, the Duffster will certainly get ROY” consideration.

  14. Paul Sorensen said, on June 18, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    Funny idea, Steve, to offer to buy Pablo back on the cheap….. 🙂 As a former Red Sox fan from my Boston years, I pay attention a bit to what’s going on there; they did have an intriguing off-season. I told friends in Beantown Pablo would probably be ok but Ramirez in LF would turn into a joke rather quickly (apparently there are signs of that happening already). It’s still somewhat early in the season, but it sure hasn’t gone as they expected, has it? Strange strategy to pay big for those 2 larger than life free agents, the same team that jettisoned Crawford, A-Gon, etc., just a few years ago. Farrell likely will be sacrificed if the malaise continues, they’ll say he *lost the clubhouse* like Francona did, but more likely, he never had it with that bunch.

  15. blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    It is mid-June, 41 percent of the games are in the books, and the Sox have the second-worst record in the American League, another last-place season spiraling down the toilet before the first day of summer. Worse yet, the Sox are heading for a third last-place finish in four years.

    By the by, I would have taken that bet giants54 – every day and twice on Sunday. Admittedly, I’ve never really liked Panda and I have liked Duffy from the moment he was called up on August 1st, 2014 – where in his 4th AB, he connected for his first major league hit, scoring Hunter Pence from third base. I should add the biggest reason I dislike Panda is because he doesn’t take his profession seriously. Duffy treats his profession with a no nonsense approach and attitude, where he feels he is just one fuck up away from riding a bus on some Triple A circuit.

  16. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    Blade,
    You mentioned earlier about Panda getting caught and yeah he was probably stroking the salami looking at these hot babes.
    But theirs eyes everywhere now on the internet, instagrams, etc etc, he’s a fucking retarted thinking know one doesn’t ketch him.
    What’s really a joke is that it says nothing about his commitment to His new team( Boston) or to the integrity of the game. Yeah he’s not playing tonight, big deal, standard discipline, baseball should throw a fine at him as well, but if I’m Boston, I’m looking for a sucker team at the deadline, and try and trade his fat ass!!

    • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 6:43 pm

      Agree AK . . . Cherington is an imbecile. All of his moves have failed this season. A Tigers source recently revealed there was no way they would have offered Rick Porcello a contract when he became a free agent after this year because they felt he had reached his upside. The Red Sox thought differently and extended him to the tune of $82.5 million over four years. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Same thing with that Cuban, Castillo, who was signed to a $72.5 million deal and has been a bust. He’s a 27-year-old who has struggled to stay on the field because of injuries. And scouts feel his baseball instincts aren’t good. Cherington might have gone 0-for-5 last winter, with Ramirez, Sandoval and starting pitchers Porcello, Wade Miley and Justin Masterson making a combined $64.5 million this season and producing an aggregate 0.4 WAR, according to FanGraphs.com.

      Thank God we have Sabes, et. al., running the show at Willie Mays Plaza.

  17. zumiee said, on June 18, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    It’ll be hard for Duffy to win ROY because a lot of the media attention is on Pederson and Bryant, who had good starts, but have leveled off.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm

      Yeah, there is no way that Duffy wins ROY, albeit, as Stix alluded to, he will be in the conversation. Basically, you have kids like Correa (should have seen him today against the Sherpas – he was a one man wrecking crew), Bryant, Pederson, Tomas, Syndergaard, Soler, and perhaps this kid I mentioned earlier, Buxton, might all be considered. Personally, I think Pederson or Bryant win in the NL, with the latter (Bryant) probably being the better bet.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:14 pm

        Obviously, some of these kids play in the AL, so they wouldn’t compete in the NL.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:54 pm

        Thing i like about Duffy is that he appears to be steady. Even keel. No big ups and downs. Some of the kids you mention will fade over the course of the season. I do not expect that with the Duffster. Nothing flashy there. No hot tool package. Not many headlining performances. Just does a workmanlike job day after day and does not make very many mistakes.

  18. zumiee said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    It’s a joke that Bryant got a grand slam off a position player. I’ve never liked managers letting position players pitch. Bochy never does it and I respect that.

  19. zumiee said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Man down. Bryce Harper, knee injury.

  20. Bozo said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    Nice little crooked number there.

  21. Carstie Clausen said, on June 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Notice how that conga line got going? Lately Belt can’t hit for shit. But he has not lost track of how to work that walk. Check it out. Dude starts a lot of rallies. Maybe this will bring him out of his hitting funk even before the sooner or later return of the other Too Tall Texan. Man, talk about getting into a pitcher. #9 has a knack and somehow like McGDP has a knack for what he has a knack for, Belt’s is for working a pitcher and getting him off his game.

    Voila, the conga line.

    Other side of the ticket was Pagan lining out to center to end the inning. Seems like some kinda dark cloud is hanging around him lately. I mean a lineout to close down a rally is one of those BBIP things that usually results (give or take a few feet) in two more runs and an impending blowout. That’s baseball. Hope El Caballo Loco pulls out of it sometime soon. White Shark’s return should help.

  22. willedav said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Loo, that boxscore is a trip. The Rock went 2 innings? wow.
    In the Philly game vs. Balt, Chase Utley can be seen yelling to get Frenchy out of the game as the pitcher in his second inning where he wound up throwing 40 some odd pitches. Turns out somebody in Phils pen had taken the phone off the hook while O’s had put up 19.

    I remember seeing a late game double switch where the mgr. moved the pitcher into LF for a batter so he could face the next guy up.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:15 pm

      LaRussa against the Mets, I think.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Didn’t Jose Canseco essentially ruin his arm by pitching in a game, spelling the end of his career?

  23. pawliekokonuts said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    I think we’ve doubled Montgomery’s ERA.

    Notice how Pablo went all *serious* and *contrite* in his apology via the media. But he used the word that politicians use when they get caught: “mistake.” “I made a mistake.” No, that sounds like stubbing your toe. The rule on their team and MLB is clear, and he deliberately flouted it, as his team plunges. Farrell is pissed. It appears to me that Pablo couldn’t find it in him to utter the three hardest words in the English language: “I was wrong.” Oh. Wait. Why didn’t he dredge up his favorite: “disrespect”? The one he used against the Giants. “I disrespected my teammates and the game of baseball.” Nope. Not said. Not to my knowledge.

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      I think the next time someone here types “Pa-gone!” will be when he retires…

  24. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    I would get a big kick out if it if Montgomery refused to ride the team bus…

  25. Paul Sorensen said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    I’m not superficial in any way, really, but looks and image are important. Every time I see a photo or video of Greinke (he’s pitching tonight), I just kind of shudder. Looks like a psycho. Or maybe just an asshole. I don’t know, some people just have that creepy look….

  26. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    I don’t know that roof looks like the alien ship hovering over the White House in “Independence Day”

  27. snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    Risky to leave Voggy in here…

    • snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:03 pm

      Well, I guess too risky, he’s out…

      • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:05 pm

        Did you ever dance to “Risky Changes” by Bionic Boogie back in ’77?

  28. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Javier the All-Star!!!

  29. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    Nice work Javier!
    Can’t believe Dustin Ackley was the #2 overall pick back in 09..
    Total swing& a miss by the Mariners..

  30. Carstie Clausen said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    Dr Jekyll started for the Giants tonight and did a most creditable job. Mr. Hyde was not available for comment.

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:17 pm

      Vogie is a box of chocolates…

  31. Macdog said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    Fine job by Vogey, especially since he was getting about two minutes’ rest between innings after the 3-run 2nd.

  32. Bozo said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    The Duffman delivers.

  33. blade3colorado said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Like clockwork. Nice 3 bagger.

  34. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Another huge hit by the duffinatior!!

  35. giants54 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    Imagine Duffy when he puts on some muscle.,.

  36. snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Duffman is the real deal.
    McDP on the 25, down 2 outfielders, is the raw deal…

  37. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Secretly Kruk still wants McDP in there over Duffy..

    • snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:37 pm

      You may be right. If Belt were sucking balls as bad as McDP, then Kruk would be all over Belt’s ass…

  38. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    Damm..we can’t use McDP this inning, their already 2 outs

  39. Carstie Clausen said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Somehow i get the feeling that we might just possibly win this one. It’s nearing Midnight here in the Central time zone and lottsa work outdoors tomorrow. Mowing, weeding and spading will define the day.

  40. snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    Up 7-0 and Strickland can’t find the zone?
    Come on man, get your S together…

  41. Bozo said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    It is so much easier to win when you score some runs. Good game.

    • alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      Got that right Bozo!!
      Willie Bloomquist?
      Not being prejudiced, but when your 1st names Willie you have to be black..

      • snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:49 pm

        Wille Shoemaker, Wee Willie Keeler, Willie Mosconi, Willie Nelson, Willy Nilly?…

  42. Macdog said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    Sweepless in Seattle. At least they got a split.

    Goddamn, Dodgers just won on a balk.

  43. snarkk said, on June 18, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    The balk is the most stupid, unnecessary call in baseball. And, it just handed a game to the Dodgers. It is mostly the ump insinuating himself into the game where he sees something that bothers nobody else, so the call is usually just bogus. If the runner or batter doesn’t move, isn’t picked off, or otherwise isn’t bothered by whatever move the pitcher makes that’s supposedly a “balk”, then why call it? Because if none of those happen, by definition the runner or batter wasn’t deceived…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 19, 2015 at 9:27 am

      I thought in the wee hours, if the Giants lose the NL West by one game because of a balk……

      Agree.


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