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Flappers— been under the weather the last couple of days, sorry for no thread.
What do you get when you combine the ugliest new stadium ever built with the dumbest fuck pitcher facing us? Hopefully a good old fashioned trip out to the woodshed.
Voggy continues to shine and I was surprised to see that dumbfuck Latos is only 27. Feels like he’s been pitching for a decade+.
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Missed this on Friday– The Nats called up PK’s favorite minor league player Manny Burriss
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Hey Flav, sorry you haven’t been feeling well. May I suggest a larger helping of the vitamins, B, double O, Z, E.
The Giants are in my time zone, so I’m liking that. Thursday night I head up to DC for the Friday and Saturday games there, so I’m loving that.
Hope you feel better. Yeah Buddy.
I Second Bozo Flav..
Hope you start feeling better.
A beat down of Latos tonight is just what the doctor orders!
The bum is 1-3 with an ERA of 7.60 in 34 innings at home, the way the Giants just finished up the home stand smacking the ball around, I figure they will continue that trend against Latos and the hapless Marlins without Stanton…
Yeah, kicking Latos’ ass over and over never gets old. Here’s to keeping the hitting shoes on . . .
this is one of the best vines I’ve ever seen
Lot of truth to what Bozo said re: alcohol.
I worked in high volume pharmacies btw. HS and graduating college, and there were over the counter cough syrups that had as much as 40% alcohol in them. This particular one, terpin hydrate, smelled like it too.
Prescription ones, with codeine or hydrocodone, were often abused/mixed with alcohol and I guess still are today as in “purple drank.” Zero hangover, allegedly.
Kinda surprised Marlins are as bad as they are. I liked their OF a lot and thought they had potential to finish second and be fringe WC challenger, but no…and of course without Stanton lot less interesting/formidable.
Good to have you back, Flav. Missed ya. With the DC test zone coming up its high time for the Giants to do some serious ass-kicking in Miami. We owe them for a couple years in the 90’s. Cue the Conga tunes. That line’s gotta move!
A Dodger fan feeling bummed out after the Dodger loss last night:
Nothing really matters much. We always beat the Giants for the division—-and they always win in the post season.
by Gen3blue on Jun 30, 2015 | 6:08 AM
Of course, the Giants won the division in ’10 and ’12, showing this Dodger fan’s ignorance of baseball history; but, yeah, the important thing is which team ends up with the rings. 🙂
I gotta give props to the MLB Network. I love how they hire these hot chicks and then let the guys outwardly flirt with them on the air. It’s so non-PC, I freaking love it. The other day, Eric Byrnes asked one of the lovely legged hosts if she would “date him” if she was “single.” You would never see that on ESPN. It’s all perfectly harmless. Nothing that none of us have never done before, when hanging with our buddies in the company of a hot girl. Yet none of it interferes with the content. It’s still a channel that’s all baseball all the time. They just do a really good job of trying to keep it fun along the way.
Whoa, Willie, terpin hydrate with codeine…. my Mom used to give that to me when I had really sore throats or bad coughs or some such. I don’t really remember, because as foul as it was going down, man, did I sleep colorfully on that stuff…. I remember being bummed when they finally outlawed the stuff.
Man, remember mecurochrome? The stuff worked, but not a great idea in the long run to be using mercury as a medicine. The stuff’s been outlawed many years now.
And you look back to the early 1900s, and see how cocaine and opiates were commonly used in medicine.
Many decades ago, I used to deliver to rest homes for a drug lab … Bromptons Cocktail (actual name): 50% liquid Morphine, 50% liquid Cocaine, topped up with a little Cherry Brandy to make it palatable … Prescribed to terminal cancer patients …
Get Well Soon Flav! … anyone know what happened to Michael ‘the beast’ Morris? I know he was on the DL for something or other but that seems like an awfully long time ago …
Oops .. duh .. I meant ‘Morse’
Found some Morse info … 5 for 17 (double/HR) AA Jacksonville – about 10 days left on his rehab assignment.
yeah, still on DL.
Prado and pitcher Jose Fernandez both supposed to come off DL and appear in games vs. Giants.
Your posts are great man…but don’t pay too much attention to Kuiper re:” Morris”…who btw is signed through next year 2yrs $16 mill and currently hitting .210 with an OPS below .600 half way through the season.
Too bad, great guy
Yeah, I know Morse was having a rough time at the plate this year. I was following him pretty religiously as I liked him a lot as Giant. I sensed he was a force in the clubhouse and would be missed by all. I was aware he was injured and DL’d awhile back then he just seemed to disappeared completely. He did make the appearance at the White House in that “amazing” jacket/tie ensemble and, consequently, figured he might have been deported to the Ukaraine or some such East Euro outpost. Thanks for the complement Willedav …truly a privilege for me to participate … I’ve learned an amazing amount about this magical, mystical game from all the regular Flappers … Oh, and Btw, I really appreciated you mentioning the passing of Ornette Coleman last week (I’m pretty sure it was you) … I’m a semi-retired jazz musician, moved to Fresno from NYC just over a year ago … O.C. was one of the pillars of my temple … I was extremely fortunate to tour & record with a number of musicians associated with him.
Speaking of Ornette Coleman, that Service had to be something else. And that was just the first half, the second half included Ravi Coltrane, Jack Dejonette, David Murray, and the Prime Time Band.
Speaking of Cecil Taylor . . . .
Buzzkill DFA’d! WHOOP! Hey, I wish the guy no ill will, but he just was not getting it done, unless your criteria is he who hits into the most DPs.
Yup. McGDP down and Adrianza up. Surprise. Adrianza has been hitting well for the Cats with a .316 BA. Not so much in run production, though. Yet Ehire plays a good SS and could briefly be valuable as a defensive SS when Crawford needs some rest. If he can hit a lick this go-round the next one out may be Arias. .250 would be acceptable for a fill-in SS who does good glove work.
Hope you feel better, Flav. I am just getting back in the saddle…we were on the North Coast camping for three days…completely unplugged…no TV, no net, etc. I was able to catch some of the Giants games while driving from our campground to various beaches.
Time for a fish fry. I believe Cain is slated to start one of these games, and Peavy one of the games in DC. No clowning around, Bozo…bring us some good mojo in DC, John. GO GIANTS.
Hey Flav, also saw over the weekend Warriors signed Nastic from Stanford to play on their summer league team. Haven’t heard anything about Chasson Randle, probably a Euro League guy.
See what happens if Nastic makes it through training camp…ultimate destination I would guess would be Santa Cruz of the Development League, but intriguing guy.
Friends of mine saw a game there and said the other big post down there (kuzmic?) is terrible, none chance at NBA.
The other part of Buzzkill being DFA’d is that Adrianza is back with the club. Adrianza was hitting .315 in Sacto with 3 HRs and 15 RBI.
McG thought he was going to help the Giants this season; instead, they’d already be in first place if they’d had practically ANYBODY else but him.
Adrianza is basically ‘anybody else.’ I have low expectations for him. I hope he does better than his previous time in the bigs. At least he won’t be a double-play machine. He has enough speed to avoid that, probably.
Backup reserve IF was supposed to be Duffy’s job, so now that he’s a reg Adrianza fills that role alongside Arias, I guess. Gotta be able to add more than MacG you would hope.
Kinda funny that Giants will also run into Uggla and Burriss this weekend with Nats.
@Lisle—I only mentioned “Morris” because that’s what Kuiper (who can be kinda clueless and gaffe prone) used to call him all last year.
I liked the guy (and his .820 OPS) a lot, and it seems like he enjoyed his time here.
I’m listening as I type this via digital TV channel to Stanley Turrentine from Salt Song right now to a full time jazz station also available on web http://www.kcsm.org. Lot of good programming from announcers, including the guy who did the Ornette special on a Sunday night following his passing.
I don’t see much live music these days, but it’s nice to be able to enjoy jazz on reg basis on the air.
@Pawlie–I finished Richard Price (writing as “Harry Brandt”) latest, “The Whites.” Most enjoyable, set in NYC and as always funny but filled with a lot of pathos and not easy life decisions for main characters.
Yes, I seem to remember K&K getting into last year about the pronunciation of Morse’ name … Maybe in was Miller calling him out on it as he likes to air out his intellectual side.
Stanley Turrentine .. had a great tune called ‘Sugar’ I cut my teeth on as a kid … His trumpeter brother, Tommy Turrentine, used to frequent a club I played at in NYC called Syncopation (on Waverly Place) back in the mid 70’s.
something i meant to mention earlier but have been drugged to the bejeezus belt because my back is kiiing me: when was the last time bochy threw out a decent lineup on a sunday? maybe not having a saturday night game? it seems to me that he usually throws out some sort of “surrender’ lineup and winning the series depends on the bench having a good day as part time starters. maybe he does it more than i’m aware of, and i’m not aware of much right now 🙂 but at least i can walk. i keep running into things but hey.
Welcome back Flav, summer colds suck!! I really like the fact that the Giants farm system has produced some really good players. It makes it nice that we don’t have to wait for the trade deadline to see who the Giants are looking at.
Voggy— His last 6 starts—1 HR given up. 35 innings. Why does that blow my mind?
Probably because he was buried in Colma a few times .Now they just leave a 6 foot hole and his gravestone to make it easier next time.
I hope I don’t have to get on Belt’s ass again (but, the results have been pretty good when I have). He is five for 12 against Latos with a double and triple. I suspect we will see more of BB9 in LF, as in all the recent stuff I have read Bochy says he can see Susac as his everyday receiver, meaning Posey is manning 1st. The way Susac has been hitting the ball, I am down with it…more chances to keep the conga line moving, and moving, and moving…
June may have been a predominant swoon for Los Gigantes (they have somewhat righted the ship over the last homestand, and hopefully this is an indication of what is to come), but Vogey was pretty damned good when compared to his horrendous start in April/May (9.31 ERA/2.017 WHIP).
June: 2-3, 3.72/1.345.
But, let’s hope he (and all the Giant starters) can catch the magic he had in May:
4-0 in five starts and 31.2 IP with a 1.14/0.947 ERA/WHIP.
Speaking of Susac behind the dish…
1. Angel Pagan — CF
2. Joe Panik — 2B
3. Matt Duffy — 3B
4. Buster Posey — 1B
5. Brandon Belt — LF
6. Brandon Crawford — SS
7. Andrew Susac — C
8. Gregor Blanco — LF
9. Ryan Vogelsong — RHP
i see the giants are going all in on the defensive shift, though usually it’s the infield.
According to MLB.com, yesterday Sandoval swung at the highest pitch that any MLB player has swung at in 5 years.
I remember having a conversation with Snarkk, on the BART, after a Giants game about Sandoval, that if Sandoval would be willing to just be a little more selective at the plate, he could have been a great player instead of just a good one.
Here’s the swing from yesterday. Not a shocking thing for Giants fans to see. It probably amazed the Red Sox fans a little. But they’re also probably getting used to it by now. 🙂
https://screen.yahoo.com/mlb/panda-swings-head-high-pitch-051453234.html
that ball was probably coming in at 60 mph which makes it all the more unreal that he swung at it (since the slow speed of the ball gave him plenty of time to decide if was going to swing or not)
Sandoval might have been a .220 hitter if he had taken a different approach.
Or .340…
if you move susac to catcher and then posey to first, what do you do with Belt when aoki and/or pence returns? do the giants have too many hitters and not enough positions? i would be good with trading belt to the american league if you could get something for him. but the other teams would be looking at the situation and figuring that giants HAVE to move someone so they should have the upper hand in the negotiations. it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I have said for some time now that I think they will need a decent starting pitcher to make the playoffs and make some noise. There are just more question marks than answers in the rotation (Timmy being Timmy, Hudson with his ankle and being 40, Vogey, while pitching great of late is still no guarantee, and we still do not know if Cain and Peavy can come in and be solid contributors). So, you either package Belt or Susac with some minor leaguers.
Of course, Susac would be more attractive to teams based on costs alone. Belt is making 3.6 mil, and has two more years of arbitration left, while Susac has yet to go through one year of arb.
On a separate note (this from looking at Giant salaries), it is unreal that Bum is making only 6.9 this year. Giants got a steal on that contract.
By the way, here are the latest Quality Start ratios for SFG:
Bum 12/16 (Damn impressive)
Vogey 8/13
Heston and Hud 8/15
Timmy 5/15 (Ouch, babe)
Peavy 0/2
Petit 0/1
I can’t remember who it was, but someone on here posted early on that Vogs could easily become the 2nd best starter on this staff—-and this was right after he had gotten shelled a couple of times. Whoever that mysterious person was—they made a helluva call.
I’m going to Pads/M’s tonight with my daughter. I’m a little bummed to miss out on the Vogs/Latos matchup, but I’ll keep an eye on the blog and the scoreboard.
have fun, Diggity.
“Reply” button wasn’t visible on my iPad for some unknown reason, so posting this a bit down the comment list from where I wanted … in any case … Not to stray too far off topic here but … Bozo posted the musician lineup for the O.C. Memorial and Xoot mentioned Cecil Taylor (another pillar in my temple) .. Wow! That’s like the Bach & Beethoven of Jazz for me. Such a shame they listed Karl Berger as “Carl” … I know it seems moot but it just rankles me when the powers that be cannot even get the names right for these “giants” of music who are participating in such a milestone event in jazz history. It seems so disrespectful. Read somewhere recently that jazz is the most unpopular of all musics in America. I always felt a connection between jazz and baseball … in terms of relative popularity they have a lot in common too.
there are some big movie and music buffs on this blog, so enjoy
Kruk only wears one WS ring on the hand that holds the mike. If I were him, I’d wear all 3 on that hand. That would look rad on TV
Could be all the 3 W/S bling rings throws off his balance with the cane he uses..
well, I was joking but if I were serious it would just be for when he’s on live tv holding the mike. it would be such an over the top look, I’d love to see it once.
I’m almost never at home at this time of day so watching this game live is a rare treat. THis is the Voggy I remember
wtf are the americans wearing white with green trim/numbers and yellow socks?
I’ve got PIP going as well as the giants on the radio. total sports immersion.
Which PK???? 🙂
Been off the flap. Kids home for the summer…exhausting! With our OF injuries, no talk of Cody Ross still?
Fuck!
Dee-saster for Vogey.
It’s so fun to watch Dee Gordon run. Just once in my life I’d like to run the bases that fast.
not sure what game the umpire, or whatever you call a soccer official, is watching but the frauliens are frigging mauling the americans. i’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to repeatedly drag people to the ground but maybe t his really is football.
Fuck you, Latos. Smoke Buster’s pole.
Got one back. That GIDP before, sure came at a bad time.
…and give that run right back.
Nice catch, B Belt.
Rain delay? On Bart and svc is sketchy
Posey stretching it, oh yeah.
Who said Posey is slow?
I’m gonna say Tim Flannery Bozo.Since he hung him out to dry several times at the plate last year..
Yeah kat, I think that was when Flan realized he needed the eye surgery. But now I’m thinking Flan knew he could be sneaky fast at times.
If Buster was catching tonight, what base would he be standing on now?
The dugout after an out?
Props to Buster, that was some real great base running by him to steal a run!!
What a bizzare delivery by this pitcher Capps,.
Have to totally agree with K&K that he’s cheating cause he’s not in contact with the pitching rubber, which is illegal, and why don’t they enforce it?
Strange move by Blanco on the flip on Gordon’s ball. Should have been ruled a triple + error, IMO.
Agree.
Absolutely.
still trying to figure out how that was called an HR
Well, game one sucked. get em tomorrow, Giants.
Machi’s not an asset these days.
Agree Zumie
I’m not a Machi fan, been wanting him gone for awhile..
Likely we got better stuff in the pipeline. Steve Okert at Richmond has a waaaay low ERA and has been nailing down saves steadily. Even way down Broadway might be a better choice than Machi right now, though he would not be my first preference.
Yeah tough loss, just get after them tomorrow.
Agree thinking the same thing with Blanco trying to flip it back to Crazy Horse, could of possibly held him to a triple if he fielded it properly.
Still 14 sec from home to home is “burning sparks in your cleats” Amazing speed, Gordon& Hamilton are in speed zones like no other ball players.
Agreed. And dumbass Papa trying to get Aurilia to agree that Trout is in the same speed category as those 2, not once but TWICE, shows what an idiot he is. Aurilia shot him down twice, loved it
I hope they don’t trade Belt, but…Giants OF problem is mostly in CF. So if you are going after another hitter, he better be able to play CF and not just a corner.
Blanco (only other CF option) is having fine season, just like Aoki. But like James mentioned, Aoki is hitting way better than he has in long time and Blanco is career .700 OPS/.260 hitter, so he is too right now. Sustainable? Maybe, but unlikely.
Sometimes you simply just lose. This evening’s affair in Miami was exactly that. Dee Gordon wrecked them with that Insider. Panik struck out with two on and 2 down in the top of the 7th. Machi failed to keep it close.
It was neither a blowout, nor a squeaker. It was a loss by the most typical baseball score. Next two games could turn on different axes.
Flipside to any griping about Gordon is to consider who he was playing for last season and what he would add to their offense now. Betcha there’s some hand-wringing going on in the Art department.
Yeah, they’re missing what Gordon would provide: a true lead-off hitter, and an outstanding one. Pederson should be hitting 3rd or 4th. A lot of Pederson’s HRs are solo shots. But they do like Kendrick’s steady presence in the middle of the lineup, and he brings hardnose leadership by example, which the Dodgers have lacked for years. The problem for the Dodgers is that Kendrick, and several other players, have cooled off a bit after a hot start. And Kershaw has been pretty good, but not consistent. They rely on him being lights-out every time, and it’s not been that way so far.
Maybe not tonight, but imo Kendrick is a lot better player than Gordon.
Dodgers tried him at SS and he was flat awful, and isn’t much better as 2b either.
Last year he got off to great start too and then second half OB was .280.
In other words, like a lot of speed guys, unable to steal 1b and actually get on for bigger bats behind him.
Note the HR was only hit and time on base all night.
Don’t understand Blanco doing that flip the ball thing out there. Sure he knew who was running, but miscommunication there between he and Pagan is an understatement. That gave the run away. Voggy is up and down. Tonight, down…
I see they DFA’d McDP.
I didn’t understand why they brought him back up again, why they wasted a roster spot on a guy who didn’t play anyway and wasn’t an OFer when the outfield is in shambles — but I do understand why they DFA’d him again, because he sucks. The second time around was almost unfair to the guy. Giants just blew it signing and handling this guy from the get go to the end…
McG had the notorious good batting average at AAA, which of course, can mean nothing. Same with Adrianza. So he’s hitting .300 at Sac. Whoop dee doo. Adrianza won’t hit into as many DPs, but that’s about it. And he can play a couple of more infield positions, defensively. He’s Arias-lite. And Arias is pretty lite to start with.
Spot on, zum…
BTW, is Arias still with this team? 13 ABs in the last 30 days.
What is he doing, carrying suitcases to and from the hotel?…
Well Snarkk since Arias is just more baggage on the roster, he might as well get some extra practice carrying some..
Better ballgames by the D-Backs against the Dodgers in this series. I’m starting to feel slightly less bad about the sweep the D-Backs put on the Giants.
@Sandawg: Hey, yesterday Baggs mentioned on Merc blog Seattle’s Austin Jackson as good D CF candidate SF should be interested in. He isn’t hitting much tho he had rbi tonite, just wonder what you thought of him.
Funny you ask, as I was sitting in my favorite upper-tank seats behind the plate tonight and he made several nice plays that caught my eye. I know he hasn’t become the superstar he was projected to be, but he plays a great centerfield and is hitting around .260. I’d love to have him.
I also noticed Franklin Gutierrez comes off the bench for the M’s now. I haven’t followed him in a few years, but seem to remember he played a great CF as well and was decent with the bat.
Kendrick with 4 hits tonight, and an HR to give the Dodgers the lead. He’s just not the typical Dodger choker that we’re used to seeing. He’s more like a Giants player.
Yeah, he’s a stud. I’ve been paying more attention to him since you praised him earlier in the year, and he seems solid.
Hey–did you buy that Dodger book? Inquiring minds want to know! I wouldn’t blame if you did, what with the author being hot as hell and it being full of juicy tidbits about Dodger dysfunction. Throw in the personalized booksticker-thingy and I was about ready to buy the damn thing myself.
The book’s not out yet. I think it comes out in a couple of weeks. I’ll probably end up reading it eventually. Dodger dysfunction is always entertaining. 🙂
It’s all about the pre-order Zum!
If the Nats called up Manny Burris, then they can’t be too good…
Guy on Bagg’s blog said something I think is important—be careful about going all in on Susac.
He still does not have many ml ABs in his career, and vs. RHP the splits aren’t good.
He’s hot right now and looks good, at least offensively, but like most hitters there is likely to be a valley that follows the peak he is on right now.
Plus, there will be a couple SPs for whom Posey is gonna pull rank, such as Bum and maybe Cain too, where Susac is just going to have to sit and watch.
I know I have posted this before, but end of last year Sept. was by far Posey shining month. He hit .390 and helped carry SF down the stretch; sure the times he played 1b for injuries to Belt and Morse helped along with other full rest days off. But he’s the guy who has been C in all the playoffs and earned 3 rings.
I agree Willie. Also, everyone talks about Posey’s batting splits but I rarely hear about how good he has become at game calling and the Catcher position itself. I don’t know if there are any game calling stats out there, but going into his seventh season, he has caught 3 No-hitters. Varitek leads all catchers with four, which he did in a fifteen year career. Right now, Susac seems to me to be a damn good back up and I hope they keep it that way (I remember when people were calling for Sanchez to take over for Buster, glad that didn’t happen). I also don’t think trading Belt mid-season is the way to go. If Posey is planned to be their First baseman in a couple of years, then trade our !B stud in Richmond, Ricky Oropesa, I would imagine there are quite a few teams that would love to get him in a package deal..
Praise for Buster on The Flap???? I’m pleasantly surprised. I agree he is a pretty decent player and we shouldn’t trade him and probably don’t even need to sweat his hefty contract.