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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 25, 2015

Missed the game last night, and that’s too bad. 17 hits off A’s pitchers? That would have been satisfying to watch. And Buster stole a base? Had to have been a broken play.

Beane traded Kazmir for the 9th best prospect in the Astros org. That’s a score for Houston and another sign that Beane is slipping…..


If you’re bored, as I was yesterday, here are some video I took while driving. The first 2 are of a razed Candlestick (video quality kinda choppy on the first one). Then a video of the new Bay Bridge span, then one of golden gate fields followed by me paying my toll at the bridge. Enjoy. Took them mostly for the Flappers who don’t live around here anymore and want to see what the area looks like now.

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  1. willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:32 am

    Bochy confirmed what Loo said earlier, that Giants unlikely to do much at deadline. I don’t think they are sandbagging either.
    There really isn’t a hole in the LU when Pagan is on like last night.
    Homegrown cost controlled young IF (all at or near .800 OPS), Posey making MVP run again, Blanco hitting .300 into last week of July, Pence raking. Aoki did fine job at leadoff. One of the OFs goes to bench plus Max and Susac. Giants can score runs with team in NL.

    Appear to be arms on the way from minors, pen and possibly SP or two. I’d imagine off season will be time Giants retool rotation as opposed to now.

    Thanks, SD for end of thread take on the Pads fanbase. If the GM were to sell off Shields or Kennedy or Cashner or J Up I’d imagine natives would be pretty restless too.

    Best evidence Beane is slipping is the product he has on the field, all of his own invention; last in division and going nowhere fast except back over the bridge to their crummy yard.

  2. willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:59 am

    Last night was just such a feel good moment, SF clearly the better team, as they have been last 10 games vs. everyone.

    Listened to couple live versions of a feel good tune this morning, Cannonball Adderley’s Jive Samba, with Joe Zawinul, brother Nat, Yusef Lateef on tenor and flute, Sam Jones/Louis Hayes.

  3. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:10 am

    BF, Buster’s stolen base was due to borderline “defensive indifference.” They pretty much ignored him and he took the base, with no throw from the catcher. It was the 8th inning, and the score was reasonably close enough for the score-keeper to give Buster the steal. Perhaps some other score-keepers wouldn’t have given him the steal.

    Snarkk, I think that clip is from the Dick Van Dyke Show. That looks like Sally in the background, the Rose Marie character.
    Some wild house parties they were having in Connecticut in the early ’60s….. 🙂

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:17 am

      DVDyke is now about 90 years old, the guy looks awesome for his age. Married his makeup artist — she’s 42…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      Rob Petrie lived in New Rochelle, NY.

  4. Carstie Clausen said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:22 am

    Breaking News! Giants now lead the NL in runs scored after last night’s outbursts vs the A-hos. Already leading the league in batting average and hits, they have, however, fallen off to third in triples behind the Rox and Snakes.

    Provided there are no major injuries to position players, with Aoki’s return their lineup will easily be the most formidable in the NL. Ever since Pence returned the team has gone into overdrive. His fellow too tall Texan, #9 copped his 38th, 39th and 40th RBI’s to celebrate the Reverend’s return. There are no holes in the array. No major power threats as the team is well down on the HR list, but oh that Conga Line!

    • zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:29 am

      I see that point, and it’s cool; but when you throw in bench-depth, the Giants are down a notch. The Dodgers’ bench is far superior to the Giants’ bench. Ideally, the Giants could upgrade that somehow, but then again, last year’s team’s bench wasn’t lights-out either, so maybe it can be done again with a bench of smoke and mirrors.

  5. giants54 said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Bench is the area they will address. Can’t see Arias around at the finish.

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:19 am

      I don’t see him around NOW…

  6. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:35 am

    Giants are 22-7 with Pence in the LU. Next to the trade for Kent, acquiring the Preacher may be Sabes’ best trade move as GM of the Giants. By the time he’s finished playing with SF, he’ll be one of the all time favorite Giants. Guy plays balls out, energizes the squad and the fans, gets it done in the OF, is as far from being a jerk as you can get these days as an MLB player. He swings at crap fairly often, but he’s clutch. And, he can somehow hit the ball 3 times with one swing, as we saw in the NLCS 2012 vs. Cards. So, what’s not to like about this dude?…

  7. Carstie Clausen said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Reaquisition of a speedy centerfielder like Rajai Davis and an infield upgrade on Arias may just do the trick. But i’m wondering what the impressive (AL DHworthy) bat of Adam Duvall would bring in terms of one good reliever. Or maybe SF will retain Duvall for the September stretch drive as a clouter from the bench.

  8. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Cool video clips BF just posted at the top of the thread.
    “Thanks for the use of your bridge” made me LOL.

    • wilcojoe said, on July 25, 2015 at 12:13 pm

      I am still in shock to find they charge $5 to cross the carquinez bridge.

      • sandog said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:35 pm

        I remember when it was 40 fricking cents, and I’m not that old—am I?????

      • xoot said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:16 pm

        yeah,I remember the drive-through toll-taker on that bridge–toss your change into a funnel-shaped basket and go. I once saw a Rolls Royce stopped dead at that automatic roll through while the rich people inside the car tried to find a couple of quarters among them.

  9. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Years ago, Mrs. Snarkk’s youngest sister visited the Bay Area from Wetbehindthears, TX, and we drove over the Bay Bridge into SF. At the toll plaza, i paid the toll like the other thousands that day, and drove off after handing the cash to the toll taker, who said nothing at the exchange. Mrs. Snarkk’s sister observed, and incredulously said in her drawl as we drove off — “Well, he didn’t even say thaaannk you!?”…

    • wilcojoe said, on July 25, 2015 at 12:16 pm

      That’s funny Snarkk. Yeah, my Texan wife still gets strange looks when traveling in CA and she thanks everyone for everything.

  10. Carstie Clausen said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Looks like Zobrist is all hot for that ring thing. Ain’t gonna happen with Oakland, so he must be trying to impress Evans and Sabean. Say Beane, what will you take for the dude? Let him get that ring.

  11. Macdog said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:02 pm


    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:50 pm

      nice hed

  12. Carstie Clausen said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    Precognition again. Once i saw Bumgarner’s name up on the puter screen that feeling arced out again.

  13. Macdog said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Followed by Pagan’s warning track power.

  14. Flavor said, on July 25, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    a partial list of guys who have homered less than Bumgarner this season: Yadi Molina, McGehee, Aoki, Nick Markakis, Jordy Mercer, Werth, BJ Upton, Carlos Ruiz……

  15. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    When romo faces the LHPs, it’s nail bite time. RHPs, he’s still got it…

  16. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    let’s get a 123 save here…

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm

      Friggin Cadillac always with the drama, this semien kid is dangerous…

      • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:48 pm

        Cadillac Casilla…, friggin autocorrect , hey maybe it fits …

  17. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    Casilla torture.

  18. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Hamel no-hits the Cubs, raises his trade value.

    • zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      Has any player ever been traded right after throwing a no-hitter.

  19. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Giants winning the torture games and the blowouts. Me likee. Bum Gould be our first PH off the bench , the guy can hit Jacks…

    • willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:10 pm

      Heston is a pretty good hitter too Snarkk.
      Just hope Bochy wouldn’t decide to go with 15 pitchers.

  20. Carstie Clausen said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    Whew!!! These close ones been making me nervous lately. Romo and Casilla got the job done today, but it was a bit close for comfort there in the 9th against the A-hos’ limited lineup. Dreading the postseason with these two as the coda to the game. Thinking Affeldt should have been trotted out there yesterday in the rout to ascertain whether there is any hope there. Reason being, i want Osich back. It’s reached the point when an 8th inning with LH batters looming, we need another option. 9th inning we need a backup closer. Yes gang, it has gotten that close.

  21. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    Just saw the end play to Hamels no hitter — what an incredible play to end it!!!….

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      Yeah, I saw that too. Funny — but not if the CF flubs it. Hamels as cool as a cucumber. Yup. His trade value just zoomed.

  22. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    The good times continue for the Red Sox: Pedroia’s out with a hamstring issue again.

  23. pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    I loved those video clips, Magnus. I couldn’t see anything of Candlestick, and thought you’d drive into the bay. Hadn’t known about the bridge span. The toll booth encounter was my fave. You crazy.

  24. pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    I often forget the other reason I like Bumgarner: throws lefty, bats righty, as do I. I think Mike McCormick did too. I always thought the same of Johnny Antonelli (still alive) but that’s not how he is listed. MadBum can hit. Like Steve Carlton.

    • djloo27 said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:12 pm

      Cleon Jones, too…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm

        and Rickey Henderson…

  25. Macdog said, on July 25, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    Mets up 4-0 and the first inning isn’t over!

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      Let’s go [insert the typically omitted vocative comma] Mets!

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      their highly touted offensive upgrade [arched eyebrows] is paying off [harhar] — and Uribe is not even in the lineup

      • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:39 pm

        Jazz Hands now on his third squad in the space of half a season. When that happens, you know you’re either not too good, or getting old, or both. I’ll always have a soft spot for the guy. If he’s not on the 2010 squad, IMO the Giants don’t get to the playoffs, let alone the WS. He had that huge HR in the top of the 9th late Sept in LA to bring the Giants back to win a huge game down there (5-4 I think), then had that huge oppo HR to RF in Philly in the NLCS to help win the clinch game. I’ve got good memories for Jazz Hands…

  26. djloo27 said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    It’s a given that the Dodgers will get one of the top starters available.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if they get two…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:17 pm

      I guess we can assume Hamels’s value just skyrocketed, but doesn’t it make sense for the Phils to KEEP him, and Howard, too, who is now hitting. They will be worse, if that’s possible, in the short term. (That last play was comical.)

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:23 pm

      Yeah, they’ll get at least one top of the line starter. Thing is, where are they getting good minor league talent to trade? They must have a good scouting staff these last few years. Their deep pockets to improve their international scouting and development scares me more than just cutting checks for established big leaguers…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        It’s an odd thing, trading. When the A’s got all that pitching at the deadline (last year, right?), I thought they were all set. Lopsided, run away with division. But really they have tanked precisely since the trades at deadline last year. Am I right?

      • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        IMO, trading Cespedes for Lester was the killer. Cespedes was the heart of the team, though his stats weren’t awesome, they were good, but he was a key piece in their puzzle. Trading him really sent the A’s into a chemistry tailspin…

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    I’m gonna just blurt it out. It almost surprises even me. I think I have come to loathe the Red Sox even more than the Yankees. Two main reasons: 1. I am so tired of hearing their fans moan about their long and wasted years, the Curse, 40 years in the desert, blah blah blah. The victim act is boring and trite by now. 2. Their fans are insufferably ignorant of other successes (namely, OURS). 2a. To their credit, the Yankees have quietly built a decent team in a weak division, much of it homegrown. The Red Sox have no right to whine about the Evil Empire. They are it. There. I’ve said it, tho’ I’ve often remarked here how I despise the Yankees even more than the Dodgers. (Cf. 1962. But that is OVER.)

    • zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      Yeah, the Red Sox have passed the Yankees on my list, too. Here’s the top of my dislike list:

      Red Sox

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:55 pm

        top 5 MLB team dislike list…..I smell a contest or a thread…the hard part is to compose a list without any comments

    • sandog said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      I’ve despised the Red Sox more than the Yankees ever since they won that first ring and the bandwagon fans and media love for the Bosox absolutely exploded.
      Funny thing though…..if I had to find the National League equivalent of the Bosox, as much as I hate to say it, I think it would be the Giants. We both win a lot, we both spend a lot, we both have tons of bandwagon fans, and we both play in iconic stadiums in great american cities. Don’t believe me?? Come to a Giants game at Petco sometime. It will blow your mind, and it sure as hell hasn’t always been this way.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:26 pm

        if any fan base deserves to be the Chosen People, it’s the Cubs

      • willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 7:43 pm

        My godson would agree with you. Finds SF (team he grew up loving as a kid) and fans arrogant and annoying.
        I can remember going to A’s games 80s/90s when it was full of Boston and NY Yanks fans, which likewise sucked.

        Difference to me is, Giants are NOT a buy their way in/spend the most money team for all the recent titles.
        This year no exception—homegrown IF making a few mil, Aoki, Blanco Heston. Pagan Pence came in astute trades, Peavy too, not outbids of cash.

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:52 pm

      Apparently the RSox v Tigers tilt was the ESPN radio game this afternoon. RSox are dogmeat, and Tigers aren’t too far behind. What a crap game to broadcast nationallly…

      • zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:03 pm

        Red Sox fans aren’t even booing much. The team is so dead in the water that the Boston fans don’t think booing is worth the bother. They’re getting in NFL Patriots mode.

  28. sandog said, on July 25, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    Red Sox

  29. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Mets are kicking Dodger booty tonight. Say what?? 🙂

  30. pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    Red Sox

  31. pawliekokonuts said, on July 25, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    I am not at all convinced that Pedro Martinez belongs in the HOF, at 219-100. (Our SP for tomorrow, by the way, is 219-132.)

    • snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      I definitely put Pedro in the HOF, joke as it has become.
      My only test for HOF is, does he pass the smell test as one of the best, or dominant, players of his era? My answer for Pedro is yes. I think Hudson falls short, he’s got as many wins, but I”m thinking he played some years longer than Pedro. I would put 5 guys in the HOF every year. The top 5 vote getters are in. Could easily be 4 or 7 or 10, whatever. NO BS rule bout 75% of the ballotters. This BS of some years have NO entrants into the HOF is just silly. We should all start our own FLAP baseball HOF, and have a web HOF with ethernet busts and everything…

  32. xoot said, on July 25, 2015 at 7:44 pm


  33. willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Red Sox

  34. willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    As a kid, Giants Dodgers of ;60s such a great rivalry, so many good players on each side…as there were in entire NL that I came to enjoy.
    After that LA became much more annoying and Giants fortunes waned til Craig/Rosen, low point being Lasorda years of Garvey Penquin Guerrero et al.
    Now, idk, outside of Puig and with Hanley gone, eh.

  35. xoot said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    seems like there’s always at least one dodger bum. Turner’s that guy now, imo. Puig’s changed, hard to hate this year. But the franchise itself, LA, the barcalounger “fans” in the front rows, the tv celebs–“hate”-able.

  36. djloo27 said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    I think as “grown-ups” we discover other things to hate.

    Love the videos, Flav. You’re so not Brooklyn, it’s refreshing…

  37. willedav said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    I think you have to give Dodgers credit for changing the team chem in dumping off Hanley and Kemp and “going in a different direction.” Kendrick was a good pick up, so was Justin Turner a year ago. Rollins (who is about done) another solid vet stop gap who I’m sure will keep clubhouse together.
    They have young talent in Van Slyke and Pederson (coming to back earth, sure) A Guerrero plus the kid SP Bolsinger and a couple highly prized prospect SPs plus the Seager kid for SS. Remember, they lost Ryu, dang good SP.

    I read they told Puig he is safe, but I bet that won’t last long either and Mattingly won’t shed a tear.

    • zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:31 pm

      It would be tempting for LA and Philly to go “Puig for Hamels.” LA needs another solid starting pitcher, and Philly needs something that would create some fan interest on a daily basis.
      Getting traded right after throwing a no-hitter would be rough, though. Apparently, it’s never happened in the 100+ years that Elias has been keeping MLB stats.

  38. zumiee said, on July 25, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Reds and Royals are trying to iron out a Cueto trade. That would be fine. It keeps Cueto away from the Dodgers.

    The Giants are now only one game back in the loss column from the Dodgers.

  39. snarkk said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    BF’s vids remind of the classic starting credits of the Sopranos….

    • wilcojoe said, on July 25, 2015 at 9:50 pm

      Great call. That’s hilarious.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 26, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      I like that. I LOVE “The Sopranos” opening, visually and musically. Have driven it (though it is edited, spliced).

  40. ewisco said, on July 25, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    philly or Az

  41. unca_chuck said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    Fuckin; A’s
    whoever the Giants are playing

  42. James said, on July 25, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Whatever inferior teams mustering winning records against SF in any given year are usually the ones that piss me off.

    I actually hate crappy players who do well against SF even more than the teams. For example, that piece of shit Cliff Pennington.

  43. alleykat69 said, on July 26, 2015 at 2:46 am


  44. Paul Sorensen said, on July 26, 2015 at 3:21 am

    Craig, this is to you, and I know that this lowly post at the end of a thread won’t make the morning papers in SF, but really, thanks loads for those videos, as you said in large part for the Flap out-of-towners (“Ohmygawd, George, we’re being kidnapped”, if anyone remembers that old film) (or for out-of-country-ers, in my case), great to see. I had 2 stints living in SF, the 1st being from 8/96 to 8/00. In August 2000, I returned to Boston, where I had lived for a dozen years before moving to SF, to reunite with a former girlfriend and her 1-year-old son (not mine). That lasted all of 1 year before I moved back to SF on… 9/11/01…. During that f-ing horrible winter in Boston, ’00/’01, Sara would go up to bed way before me but sometimes come down to see what the hell I was doing still up in the middle of those frozen Boston nights: softly stoned, sitting at my computer, looking at the live feeds from the webcams on the Golden Gate Bridge or Bay Bridge, just… yearning for a return to SF. It was inevitable, and it was those live video feeds that kept me going…. Fortunately, no such crisis, living in Saigon, but I do still love to see the images, so… thanks for that.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm

      pretty poetic; great vignette, Paul

  45. willedav said, on July 26, 2015 at 8:00 am

    Lot of tale of two teams stuff going on lately. If you look at box scores from csn or cbs sites, Giants hitters have clear edge—most of the LU have .340 OB and .400 slugging, and 7 different guys are .790 OPS, while A’s have only a couple hitters like that. They sat a couple of their better hitters (Vogt and Reddick) yesterday vs. Bum, but only Zobrist really did much.

    Which brings me to…Pagan, about only guy in entire LU with crummy numbers akin to A’s, .300 OB and .625 OPS. And you can add him to that list of guys with less HRs than Bum, since his total this year is 0, tho I read he stuck one to the warning track that Fuld made fine play on.
    Aoki had 2 hits and a walk playing 7 innings for Sac last night. So how would you play this, in terms of de-activating someone, and what goes on with the OF and LU?

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