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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 14, 2015

and that’s why they play the game and don’t just surrender as soon as a pitcher like Strasburg takes the mound……

Fun stat of the day: the 4 pitchers the Dodgers acquired on July 30th have allowed 35 runs in 35.1 innings…..

Sherzer vs Cain today and I’m feeling ok about this….

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  1. willedav said, on August 14, 2015 at 7:21 am

    Maybe with more work Cain finds the groove, idk. He’s gonna get the ball every 5 days and if Giants are able to re-sign Leake then 4 out of 5 rotation spots would be set for next year.

    Kuip on radio last night in first inning said that when Vogs struggles it’s because his pitches wind up in the same spot, just outside the K zone. Also that one of the pitches to Werth called a strike was definitely way off the plate and Vogs had to make an adjustment or he’d keep walking guys.
    To his credit he figured it out and they never scored again off him after first pitch, or off anyone else either.

  2. alleykat69 said, on August 14, 2015 at 7:32 am

    Yeah Vogs really struggled in the 1st inning, maybe that 1st pitch Bomb shook him up alittle. He was wide, high, inside, low. But he managed to hold them to just the 1 run which was amazing to me on 29 laboring pitches..

  3. alleykat69 said, on August 14, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Murph&Mac just finished interviewing “The Dominican Dandy” Juan Marichal one of my idols growing up..
    Here’s an amazing stat they brought up: Marichal had 244 complete games, the current leader in baseball CC Sabathati 38…

    • Flavor said, on August 14, 2015 at 8:34 am

      that was a great interview, listened to it on way into work– loved the part about how he decided to be a pitcher after watching “this man pitch.” And he started as a side armer. One of the most interesting interviews I’ve heard on KNBR this year.

    • chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:13 am

      Have always loved Marichal. Hope they podcast the interview…would love to hear it. I am going to the game on Sunday and they are giving away replica Marichal statues. Wlll go great with my Stretch and Say Hey Kid replicas, and other bobbleheads.

      • djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm

        Remember Chi, only the first 20,000 fans are gettin’ ’em…

  4. willedav said, on August 14, 2015 at 8:49 am

    Cool to see crowd shot of guy with Raines uni. Expos of those days were good—pre Raines ’79 they won 95 games with OF of Cromartie Dawson Valentine. Next year they won 90 and came in second and Ron Leflore stole 97 bases to beat out Omar Moreno who had 96. Speier was at SS in those days.
    Raines came along soon after and they lost playoff game in short season to LA. Raines stole 70 right out the gate. Good pitching led by guys like Steve Rogers too. Galarraga to follow then Pedro M in later years when they were managed by Felipe.

    Current group a bunch of d-bag compared to likes of above.

    • Lisle Ellis said, on August 14, 2015 at 11:30 am

      I can’t remember all the players that came up through the Expos farm system but there was a ton of amazing talent. All the ones you mention were great, of course, but not all raised on their farm. Vlad Guerrero was originally in the Dodgers system but jumped ship to the Expos. Also, in no particular order : Larry Walker, Gary Carter, Dennis Martinez, Cliff Floyd, Spike Owens, Tim Wallach, Randy Johnson (traded to Seattle) … damn, I’m forgetting so many names … John Whatshisname, the fireball throwing closer? … Ah, Wettland!!

  5. willedav said, on August 14, 2015 at 8:52 am

    @LE—picked up couple CDs I like the more I listen to them by local sax guy Joshua Redman with trio set no piano. Does a nice version of “I’m an Old Cowhand” a la Sonny Rollins, and also plays with his dad Dewey Redman on Coltrane’s “India.” I saw Dad play with Ornette at old Keystone SF. Good stuff, son is quite inventive player.

    • Lisle Ellis said, on August 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

      Sounds like good stuff … I saw Dewey’s penultimate performance, 3 days before he passed … It was a Friday evening concert, outdoors @ Lincoln Center with Randy Weston’s little big band. I could tell he was not well … he seemed very spaced out. He kept getting up out of his chair to solo at the wrong time and Billy Harper would grab him by the back of his pants and pull him back down into his chair. Then when he was supposed to solo Billy would push him up out of his chair. Finally at the end of the show when everybody was taking bows, Dewey was kinda wondering around in circles on stage … seemed like he didn’t know where he was … then he dropped his tenor! Yikes! The next day Deweys band was a last minute replacement for Chico Hamilton @ the Charlie Parker Fest in Tompkins Square … my friend Matt Wilson was Deweys regular drummer then. I didn’t see the show but heard Dewey was much better. He had serious liver problems and thus the severe disorientation. Then he took Sick again on Sunday and passed early Monday.

      I got to record with Dewey in NYC in 1988. It was a crazy session with all kinds of great people … Jean Lee, Butch Morris, Clarence ‘C’ Sharp, Dennis Charles and the Reverend Frank Wright. Recording came out on vinyl on a Dutch label that released only 500 copies .. Cover design was done by the famous East Geman painter A.R. Penck.

  6. Carstie Clausen said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:18 am

    Hey, it’s good to be back on the blog after a whole lotta drama. Monday i drove 40 miles to Bemidji to stay with relatives a couple days while undergoing cataract surgery at a hospital less then a mile from their home Tuesday morning. No pain in the half hour or so surgery. Lots of bright lights and such, much like some kinda acid trip.

    Drama began when i had, per instructions as i understood them, left my notebook in my car as being under orders not to drive to the hospital and back and got a ride over by my cousin. Problem developed when i realized her cell # was in the notebook. But knowing where her son worked, i had the hospital page him to get her number. When she picked me up after surgery she immediately informed me that her foster son, suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome, had gone on a rampage, hitting her and that resulting in a police call.

    Wednesday morning sort of lazed around, going next door to my cousin’s mother and brother’s place where i was treated to more stories and yet more stories about various family dramas. Then it was off to a grocery to pick up a few items and get down on some deli food before returning to the eye clinic to see the opthalmologist and get the patch removed. Wow! Patch removed and a couple of tests and the right eye is seeing better than it had since probably fifth grade in the year the New York Giants were last World Champions. But there’s always a catch. With the left eye still heavily beset by a cataract condition i’d be needing to wear a patch over one eye or the other, depending on whether needing close-up or distance vision. More appointments to come, including one in a couple weeks to operate on that other orb.

    Got home Wednesday afternoon, fed the cats and dog, unloaded groceries and such and logged into the puter to discover that SF had beaten Houston in game one and now were 2 runs behind in game two. Then a friend calls and as we are talking the sky rapidly darkens and thunder rumbles. The wind picks up heavy duty, we ring off and i begin shutting down the computer. Did not quite finish when the lights went out,.

    Nothing else to do but up to bed for awhile and towards evening i wake up and head downstairs with all the current out and walk outside to a scene of devastation. Two big spruce trees down across my driveway, so i can’t drive out. Then behind the house my big, old oak had blown down, just missing two different sections of the house. No significant structural damage. Despite being pretty good with a chainsaw i’m a bit handicapped as the doc had ordered me to lift nothing heavier than 20 pounds and not to bend down to the ground. Oh great. Back to bed after a quick snack.

    Monday morning after moping around in a very dark house and grubbing together a couple sandwiches, i begin cutting spruce branches with a small swedesaw. Then i hear a car pull up to a downed popple further up the driveway. It’s my friend Ron. His friend Sam had gotten caught driving after a suspension he did not know he had. Ron had driven a couple hundred miles to pick him up along with his car. He’d stayed the night at Ron’s and needed to get home to his place some 55 miles distant. They needed another driver and Ron’s wife is like a day away from major dental surgery and other friends were tied up with one thing or another. So i am elected and agree to drive Sam’s car.

    Ron returns the favor, and the some. In the heat and humidity he gets on the chainsaw and first branches the spruces and then cuts the trunks into logs which we roll out of the way. Some of the branches are off the ground significantly that i’m able to pick them up and toss them out of the way, saving him a bit of labor. Then we go after the popple and the driveway is cleared. Back into the house for a couple of Grain Belt Nordeasts. Get up another couple sandwiches after Ron leaves. Do the eyedrops again. Read next to the livingroom window for awhile and then back to bed.

    This morning at about 10, a crew from the power company manages to untangle the lines feeding into my transformer. POWER returns. Light. Computer. Refrigerator. Yaaay!

    And here, when i got home i thought it would be all peace and quiet after much drama at the relatives. When it rains, it pours.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:25 am

      Edit: 4th paragraph from end should lead with Thursday morning ~ not Monday. The storm, btw, extended over a broad area and the local power co-op had to call in crews from a neighboring district to help out. My fiber-optic phone system, tied into my power source, was also kaput during the 36 hour or so outage. It was the longest outage this area has had since before i moved here in ’73.

    • chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 10:16 am

      Wishing you the best with the next surgery on your other eye Stix, and hope all is okay at the homestead, post-storm. Be well, my friend, and GO GIANTS!

  7. chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:19 am

    Great game last night. My hopes were not high after the 1st inning. Gail and I took the dogs for a walk, and I got back to see it was 3-1 Gigantes in the 4th. Vogey really settled into a nice groove. Strickland’s stuff was pure nasty, and he took care of two innings (huge). Romo had the slider and fastball working…looked very good, and Casilla closed it out. I have said it before and will say it again, I truly expect Strickland to be closing next year.

    Scherzer has been a beast (0.87 WHIP), but WTF, let’s knock him down a notch. Gonzalez on Saturday vs. Peavy should be a very good match-up.

    My daughter and I are going to Sunday’s game. Bum closes out the series. Should be awesome.

    Pawlie – you mentioned that you have a friend from back there attending the series. My daughter and I will be in club level 233. Maybe we can meet-up with your friend. I believe you have my cell number if you want to pass it along. If not, I can shoot it to you via email.

  8. zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Every once in a while, you get a really simple, but basic and profound statement from Krukow. And it’s a thing we talk about all the time, and James went into detail about it- last night Krukow said “If the homeplate ump is giving the corner strike or not giving the corner strike, it’s the difference between a good night and a rough night for a pitcher.” And how frustrating that must be for a pitcher, and the batter, too, knowing that the homeplate ump, that night, has so much impact on what kind of night you’re going to have.

    • chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 10:19 am

      Absolute bullshit. I really do not want to see things go to a computerized strike zone, but unless MLB gets serious about having ALL umps call the zone as it is written in the rule book, AND they do reviews and hold the umps accountable, then I am down with a computerized/automated strike calling contraption.

  9. zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:35 am

    I’m not a fan of the MLB morning show (it’s not nearly as good as the off-season “Hot Stove” show, IMO), but once in a while I take a look to see what’s happening on the show, for late-breaking news, or whatever, and they had actor Robert Wahl on as a guest. At one point, they were doing a quick-quiz segment with him, and the host (I forgot her name) started to ask him: if he had to pick one pitcher to win one big game, who would he pick, and was going to give him two choices, but he blurted out “Bumgarner” before he heard the two choices. The host said, “You have to pick between DeGromm and Greinke,” and he said again “Bumgarner.” Then somebody else in the studio shouted out “Bumgarner” and the host smiled and went on to the next question. I just thought it was very very cool moment. Some other starting pitchers might have better SABR stats, but Bum is the person that a lot of people would hand the baseball to.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 14, 2015 at 10:22 am

      Thanx for sharing, Zumiee. After that relief stint in last year’s W.S., i think a lot of baseball people have come to realize that Bumgarner is the go to guy when all the chips are on the table.

  10. zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:42 am

    Thanks for sharing the personal story, Stix. It’s interesting to hear how we all come from different situations, different geography, different life stories, and brought together by a love for this baseball team. Love for sports teams isn’t logical in some ways, watching grown men get paid to play a game, but it’s somehow so much more than that. The game itself somehow is cathartic and enriching with its drama; its highs and lows.

  11. zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Willie, I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember the Expos getting screwed in the ’81 and ’94 strike seasons. That team just couldn’t catch a break.

  12. unca_chuck said, on August 14, 2015 at 10:25 am

    Yeah, the Spo’s were crushing it in 94. As was Matt Williams.

    • djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 10:53 am

      I think Bonds would’ve blown by him eventually that year. Williams never struck me as the type who would’ve handled the pressure of a home run record chase very well…

  13. chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 11:59 am

    If Cain struggles tonight, maybe he should develop a “malady” that lands him back on the 15 day DL, and let Vogey get in a couple of starts. WTF…they are both a crap-shoot at this point.

    Hudson is supposedly rehabbing, but not sure I want to see him back (rotation or pen) until rosters expand.

  14. xoot said, on August 14, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    May be old news, but I just recalled hearing Baggarly on the pre-game show yesterday mention that the Giants’ payroll went over $189 M, the luxury tax threshold, when they signed Leake. First time SF’s cracked that ceiling. They’ll be back under next year, however, so the tax won’t escalate. Still, the owners are not stingy. Of course, they’re not profligate either, like the bums or yanks.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Saw that too, xoot. The club will be shedding a lot of money this off season. I’m hoping for Greinke.

    • xoot said, on August 14, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      Greinke would be good. I cannot figure out why the dodgers continue to sign contracts with player-only options. You’d think the Manny R. debacle under the prior proprietors would’ve taught somebody something.

    • djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:04 pm

      Greinke turns 32 in October and is over 2,000 IP for his career. Gotta be careful about that.
      Cain and Timmy are at about 1850 and 1650 respectively and look at the shape they’re in…

      • giants54 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm

        Yeah, no way I pay him for what he’ll want. Spend but wisely.

      • chipower9 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm

        I agree, Loo. Would love to see Greinke in the Orange and Black, but not for the length of contract and coin he will want.

      • djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:21 pm

        Hey Chi, I just posted higher up to remind you that they’re only giving those Marichal statues to the first 20,000 fans.

      • xoot said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:24 pm

        reminds me of the Marichal discussion earlier–over 3500 IP!

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:25 pm

        Yeah, that is a fair point. Maybe set him up with a deal similar to Shield’s that allows him to opt out after 3 years or whatever. Think of it this way. If Greinke signs with the Giants he can learn the finer points of supplements from Blanco, Duffy and Panik and should be fine (if we’re to believe some of your previous assertions ;)).

      • Flavor said, on August 14, 2015 at 4:12 pm

        totally agree.

  16. djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Don’t forget Kontos! lulz!

  17. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    I knew there was someone I was forgetting, dj. Kontos said he stopped working out during the season to conserve his energy. I think he rubs tzatziki on his arm on off days. Of the players you’ve mentioned Duffy is the only one I can say that I have had the same thought myself. Partly due to the power increase but also because he played at LBSU which seems to have been something of a ground zero for admitted juicers (Giambi) or suspected ones (Tulowitzki).

  18. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    Any news on the Dan Uggla ring ceremony with the Nationals in town? Maybe the club just sent his FedEx.

    • xoot said, on August 14, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      Uggla played in 4 Giants games in 2014, committed 2 errors, had 12 PAs with no hits and one walk, 6 Ks. I think the ring ceremony should be similarly quick and dirty. Send a messenger down to the visitors’ clubhouse with the box.

      • zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        They shouldn’t even hand it to Uggla. Just kind of toss to him from a few feet away.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        He still won’t get it. E 5 . . .

      • zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 4:00 pm


      • pawliekokonuts said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:11 pm

        Don’t even say his name here, please.

      • zumiee said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        And yet…..if we had a chance to go back in time, to a different time-line, an alternate world where the Giants didn’t get Uggla, do they still win the World Series last year, in that time-line? Something to ponder. 🙂

  19. pawliekokonuts said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Vogey. Warrior.

    I’m still saluting how he samuraied his way out of that jam he was in in the first, and how he blazed through the following innings.

    He’s the epitome of a Good Giant.

    • djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      He’s one of several GGs who absolutely won’t be back in 2016.
      Lincecum, Affeldt and Casilla are the others.
      Hudson does not qualify as a GG.

  20. Flavor said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Zumiee is right. Uggla is absolutely part of last year’s WS run. If he was merely average, Panik would have never come up and anything that ultimately happened might not have ever happened. I would hand him his ring and high five him for sucking so much shit……

  21. Flavor said, on August 14, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    watching some LLWS with New York v Maryland. Not sure how far along the bracket is. Hope it’s early. These teams suck, we have no chance v the non-USA teams if this is the best little league the US has to offer.

  22. Flavor said, on August 14, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    חוט חדש (in Hebrew)

  23. djloo27 said, on August 14, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Give Kelly credit for not stopping Duffy at third…

  24. Lurker John said, on August 14, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    When is Panik due back? Adrianza can’t go away fast enough. Terrible turn on a tailor-made DP ball.

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