On the 7th Day, Voggy Rises….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 23, 2015

Sunday Night game on ESPN tonight. Voggy v Liriano. On the surface this seems to have all the makings of an embarrassing execution but Voggy has proven everyone wrong time and time again. I don’t know if it’s the enchiladas, the blow jobs, or divine intervention. Maybe a combo of all 3.

I can’t come up with a reasonable expectation for success tonight so I’ll just leave it to you guys to pump up the blog…….

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According to espn/stats, 14.1% of the pitches Matt Carpenter has taken out of the zone have been called as strikes, highest in the majors. I’m envisioning a St Louis fan version of James doing the slowest of burns about this…….

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zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:02 am

A win tonight! Let’s get that 3rd win we were hoping for on this roadtrip.
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Pederson not starting today. The shine is off of Wonder Boy.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:34 am
  
  It’s been off for me for a while and I really want to like him cause he’s a PA kid. But you can just watch him swing and see how easy he is to beat. Too big of a swing, makes no adjustment as at bat goes on.
eddacker said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:12 am

Done by CBS Sports during the hot stove it is the best and worse moments of all 30 teams.
I am supposing that back in February everyone here saw this but me. It has been a very distract_edd 2015 here in sunny California.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25026116/franchise-bestsworsts-san-francisco-giants
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:53 am
  
  Very cool; thanks!
  Although, I disagree with his choice as Bonds’ HR as the 2nd biggest in Giants history. There are probably very few Giants fans who rank any of the Bonds HRs in the top all-time spots anymore.
  Arguably Ishi’s HR is bigger than Thomson’s, because it ultimately resulted in a ring. But even if we go with Thomson #1, then Ishi #2, IMO, you’d have to include a big HR Dusty Rhodes hit in the ’54 World Series. And Renteria’s huge HR against the Rangers, Uribe’s HR against the Phillies in the playoffs, the Panda’s HRs against Verlander….sheesh, I can think of a LOT of HRs that are bigger than the Bonds’ HRs, given the steroid taint of Bonds’ HRs, and that none of his HRs ultimately resulted in a ring.
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:12 am
    
    I agree, zum.
    I’m not sure that 1962 team was the best team. Maybe the best hitting team, but not necessarily the best team. I think the 2002 team would do very well against 1962. And, the 1993 squad may have been the best all around “team”. The 2010 squad definitely had the best pitching of any SF team I can remember, and would have done very well against the 1962 squad that had a bunch of free and big swinging guys, and just decent pitching. If I had to bet, I’d bet on the 2010 squad over the 1962 team in a series. 2010 had historically great pitching, and a certain spark of togetherness and timing and destiny that will never be duplicated. Pitching beats hitting, as the friggin ’60s Doghairs repeatedly proved against the ’60s Giants — except for ’62…
  - eddacker said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:23 am
    
    I will bet we all agree on the best home run trot!!
  - djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm
    
    Absolutely agree, Zum. So many other bigger than the Bonds HR. Add Belt in the 18th, Brian Johnson, etc…
    
    Edd: I know you mean Leonard, but I sure loved McCovey’s lope…
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:31 am

Good stuff there, Edd!!
willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:36 am

Despite the conspiracy by umps that has plagued Mr. OPS that James has so well documented, he is now 1 one hundredth of pct. point behind Craw for team league in slugging, fwiw.

Hope LU can make a little more noise tonight, but Liriano is tough. Wish SF had a shot at him in off season but he re-upped with Pirates right away.

Btw, Triple O now has a “2” in front of other 2 zeroes for his BA this season.

Any idea what full roster of 25 healthy Giants position players/pitching staff would look like if they did make it into playoffs, hopefully as NL West division champs? In other words, what do you do if you add Heston and Panik and Pence back in? At least a couple guys would have to get the Zito treatment…
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:47 am
  
  .200’s hits are pretty amusing, though. Yesterday was classic him. A bloop that hits the back of the infield dirt, over the drawn-in infielders. I’ll be amazed if he can sustain .200.
- James said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:59 am
  
  With another hot streak, Mr. OPS might take the team lead away from the Face of the Franchise, the poor bastard who’d rightfully be hitting 400 if only those size 15s weren’t occupying first base 🙂
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:05 am
    
    Yeah, Buster’s been pretty dogmeat at the plate lately, but you won’t hear a peep about that from Kruk and Kuip, unless I missed a peep. Flemm might make a fleeting mention in passing…
  - eddacker said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:25 am
    
    Bags summed it up well today.
James said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:54 am

Nice for Buster Olney to recognize that stat, although as you might expect, I’ll point out that he’s missing the real story, which is that of those 14.1 %, a huge majority are outside — and that’s not simply because Carpenter’s more inclined to swing at inside, or low or high pitches that cross the plate. Being forced to cover the outside, of course, means you can’t adjust to the inside or high strike as well.
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:55 am

I am really not down with the all glove, no hit player. I’d rather have Tomlinson in there over Adrianza all the time. If the player makes the routine plays, and hits 50 points or better higher, I just don’t see the advantage. To me, it’s a wasted roster spot. You can argue all day that a glove man is helpful in late innings with a slim lead, but I’ll wait ’til James shows me some stats on how many games that really saves. Meanwhile, you have a chronically below Mendoza line hitter basically waiving at pitches with men on base 3X a game when Adrianza starts. It was almost as bad with Arias before they canned him from his bellhop role. That’s one thing that frosts me about this management. They wait and wait while bench vets prove their endless futility, until forced by near embarrassment and fan ire to bring up a young guy. Then, hey, shocking — the young guy once in a while actually does way better than the futile vet. McGee being the worst case example, and Uggla initially over Panik. I will never, ever understand why Sabes brought McGee back. Made no sense from a roster POV, nor from a screwing-with-Duffy’s mind POV…
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:30 am
  
  Sometimes the money wins out. McG is getting $5 million, and Sabean was not quite ready to admit the mistake.
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:47 am
    
    I get that. But, Sabes has tons of GM capital to burn after 3 championships. Same thing with Pagan. The guy is running in the OF on one leg for 2 months, and they do nothing. Now, he’s gotten a platelet shot into the bad knee after finally getting DLed, so the Merc reports today that he’s really a lot better and may be so improved already that he could be available as early as this mid-week. WTF? They couldn’t have done this 2 months ago?…
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:22 am

MIchael Taylor of the Nats this week hit the longest dinger so far this year at 492 supposedly. But, that was at Coors, so how can that really count — I don’t think the calc factors in the elevation, so a ballpark 10% reduction brings that down to around a nice 450-460. To me, the Stanton blast in LA at sea level over the left field pavillion roof and outta the park was way more mind blowing…
willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:22 am

Wow Edd, thx, cool stuff. I was in 6th grade in ’62 and definitely remember all the rain. Teacher let us watch game 7 in class, all the way through to Mac’s LD to Richardson. Like everyone else thought that team could get back to one but just too much good comp in the ’60s, great era for breakout black and latin ballplayers.

Zum, I’d agree with you on putting Bond’s HR much lower for SF history. Always thought Aaron’s #715 off Al Downing much more memorable moment in baseball history.

Hac Man, George Foster, Stu Miller…No mention of the Cepeda trade for Ray Sadecki either, nor Mays for Charlie Williams.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:24 am
  
  Face it willie, any of us older dudes could write shit about the Giants better (more perspective and in line with Giants fans experience) than a lot of these internet writers that pull crap outta their neither regions and the stat websites. And, BF constantly writes better stuff, and he’s a whippersnapper barely over that dream hump of 47.5 years…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:37 am

For one of the biggest plays in Giants history, I’d put a play where the opposition hit a double. It was when the Rangers player hit the ball off the top of the wall in the World Series and the ball bounced back into play. The guy never scored that inning, and the Giants went on to win the World Series. It just seemed so symbolic. After 50+ years, we were finally catching the breaks that it seemed the other teams always caught. I just love that moment. That ball came down at a 90 degree angle right on top of the padding at the top of wall. The ball squished down into the padding a little and bounced up, and could have gone either way, and bounced back into play. It was beautiful, poetic, and awesomely wonderful.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:43 am
  
  POTD nominee.
  Couldn’t agree more.
  When that happened, I thought to myself immediately that it was THE omen I’d been waiting for the last 40+ years — that “we” surely would finally win a WS. It was totally the oppo of in 2002, when in game 6 and we were up 5-0 BEFORE Dusty did his ball giveaway deal to Russ (which I didn’t notice at all), I was chewing nails and thinking there is NO WAY we have this thing nailed down yet. When he brought in Felix with 2 on I was thinking, please, please PLEASE no Felix 4-seam 94 mph gopher ball down the middle, and then BAM. We all the know the rest…
  - zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:52 am
    
    I looked for video of that play against the Rangers, but couldn’t find it. But that’s alright. It exists in our memories perfectly.
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:54 am
    
    It was hit by their second baseman — Kinzler I think…
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:57 am
    
    My ex-Catholic upbringing made me think that Giants fans paid for the team’s sins with ‘roids and Bonds in particular, by having that first WS win dangled so close in front of our nose to smell it, then having it jerked away like a piece of filet from a begging dog…
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:05 pm

Yanks retired Jorge Posada’s number yesterday and put a monument to him out in that monument thing in CF. Yanks keep going and they’ll need to start issuing unis with letters on the back. At least the Giants only retired numbers for HOFers. And we only put up plaques for really marquee dudes like Marvin Benard…
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:13 pm
  
  And we give #22 to anybody…
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Shit, Brian Johnson’s home run is up there . . .

Or even Ernest Riles for the 10,000th. (kidding)
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Here is a list of Giants on the PortWalk Hall of Fame placqueria. Through 2011. I can’t find a list more recent. Please add names if you find an update. Anyway, the qualifications are 9 years and some kind of quality contribution thing, or 5 years and being an All Star or something. My own qualification thing is reading the name, and whether the first thing to mind is either F Yeah!, or Nah. I’ve Xed out the guys I think should NOT be on it. I leave LeMaster on it only because he was like a 10-year hemorrhoid, hard to forget the pain. How Maddox and Matthews are off this, but Benard is on, is beyond me…

Felipe Alou
Gary Lavelle x
Jim Barr almost an x
Johnnie LeMaster
Rod Beck
Jeffrey Leonard
Vida Blue
Kirt Manwaring
Bob Bolin x
Juan Marichal
Jeff Brantley x
Willie Mays
Bobby Bonds
Mike McCormick
Bob Brenly
Willie McCovey
John Burkett
Stu Miller x
Orlando Cepeda
Greg Minton
Jack Clark
Kevin Mitchell
Will Clark
Randy Moffitt
Jim Davenport
John Montefusco
Chili Davis
Robb Nen
Dick Dietz
Gaylord Perry
Darrell Evans
Rick Reuschel
Tito Fuentes
Kirk Rueter
Scott Garrelts x
J.T. Snow
Tom Haller
Chris Speier
Atlee Hammaker x
Robby Thompson
Jim Ray Hart
Matt Williams
Mike Krukow

2009
Jeff Kent

2010
Rich Aurilia
Shawn Estes x

2011
Marvin Benard x
Jason Schmidt
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:32 pm
  
  No Barry?
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm
    
    Zito’s with the A’s now… 😉
  - djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm
    
    I agree with your x’s and I’d put ’em next to Manwaring and Reuschel, too…
    
    Wait, just noticed your x on Lavelle. Disagree BIG TIME!
  - zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm
    
    Yeah, Banard was one of my least favorite Giants ever. A frustrating hacker, which in and of itself wouldn’t have been a huge deal, except Dusty was convinced that Banard was a lead-off hitter.
    And he played horrible defense. Constantly misjudging flyballs.
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm
    
    Loo, I almost Xed Manwaring, but he was very good defensively, and was around a while. Reuschel is debatable, he’s still a semi-Cub, but he really helped on those late ’80s squads, so he’s in IMO.
    X’s on former god-squaders are merely coincidental… 😉
  - ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:54 pm
    
    Reushel is an ex cub and you leave vida in there. vida blue is an Oakland athletic. I like the guy but never thought of him as a giant.
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:40 pm
  
  Jack Sanford should replace Reuschel…
willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Thx to Edd, I went back and looked at a couple other teams in NL.
On the Braves one, they have vid of the epic brawl(s) with the Pads (in those awful Brown unis) over Pascual Perez beaning lead off guy Wiggins and their attempts to retaliate.
Didn’t realize it but bunch of Pads guys in the highlights are Giants related–Lefferts, Champ Summers and Flan.

Love to hear his take on all that
- willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm
  
  They also include Scully’s call of Aaron’s 715th, which I’d never heard. Vid is way long at 4:30 + but Scully is great. Also points out something I never realized, that Dodger IFs Lopes and Russell high fived Aaron as he went past them at 2b before the 2 fans jumped near him before he hit 3b.
  - zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:45 pm
    
    I always thought it was cool how Aaron maintained his composure when the two white fans ran at him. He had received a lot of death threats prior to that. But he held his dignity around the bases, and it ended up being a great moment with the two white fans congratulating him.
    Fans running on the field happened a lot back in those days. It’s unthinkable now, especially post 9/11, to think of fans running on the field like that. It was hilarious and scary at the same time watching the fans run on the field after Chambliss’ big HR in the playoffs. The players had to turn into football players, knocking over people to fight their way off the field.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:31 pm

I thought is was for being on the team 10 years.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:40 pm
  
  Nine.
  http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2014/1/27/5350560/san-francisco-giants-wall-of-fame-hal-lanier
  I think the year thing is bogus. It’s the contribution thing. Anybody other than me (and Oracle I’m sure) think Ishi deserves a plaque for that pennant winning dinger last year? Sure he does. Cody Ross for his 2010 heroics? It’s the importance of what you did, too, not just how long you were around…
  - zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:47 pm
    
    Ishi does have an awesome plaque, for the HR, on the portwalk or whatever they call that walkway. So there is that. 🙂
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:48 pm
    
    Sheez, zum. I had no clue. When did that happen?…
  - zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm
    
    Hey, it was in all the papers. 🙂
    
    A portwalk plaque is way better than those other plaques anyway. I see people stopping way more often to read one of the portwalk plaques. Those are so cool because they celebrate great moments, and certain pinpoint memories. There’s actual emotion in those portwalk plaques. You think, wow, I saw that when it happened. A hundred years from now, if climate change hasn’t caused the whole stadium to be swallowed by ocean, then people are going to see these plaques, and ponder those great events. As they walk by in their radiation-proof astronaut suits.
  - djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm
    
    As he was rounding third…
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 1:00 pm
    
    A plaque forever or a ticket outta town to the Buccos?
    I’ll take the plaque…
wilcojoe said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:52 pm

Stupid fuck Carlos Gomez tried to steal home off of Kershaw. Out by a mile.
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm

If SF gets through and takes the div, right now we’d probably be up against the Mets, right, in the div series? That’s some scary ass starting pitching they have, though young. They look like the 2010 Giants in some ways, though maybe the Pen isn’t as good. The Cespedes add was huge. That is a scary team IMO if they make the playoffs…
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 12:56 pm
  
  I’ll be there!
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 1:03 pm
    
    Make sure you razz Jazzhands. I would have some angst watching him bat against our guys, he’s a feel the moment kinda dude, I wouldn’t want him up with the series in the balance in the bottom of the 9th…
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Where’s Blade been?
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 1:37 pm

I’m amazed at how little has been said about the Heston move here…
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 1:55 pm

Pui-jected.
2-1 LA bottom 9…
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:10 pm

Stros tie it!
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:27 pm
  
  And win it!
wilcojoe said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:28 pm

Astros walk off dinger against LA. It’s a sweep!!!
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:32 pm

I just shot Blade a text, I’ve been wondering about him too. He’s not on a trip as far as I know. And not only is he not around the blog he hasn’t sent me a fantasy game request in about a week (usually, I get them daily)
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:34 pm

that Castro bomb could NOT have gone over well with Kershaw…..
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:34 pm

Nada mas better than a walkoff Doghair loss.
Come on Gigantes, take advantage tonite…
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:36 pm

Loo– regarding Heston, it was curious but I think everyone can see he’s getting tired. With Voggy pitching well and Leake back, it makes sense. They’re probably praying that Cain and Voggy keep it going but if not, he’ll get a week of rest and be back up Sept 1st for the stretch run
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 2:37 pm
  
  I want Heston eligible for the playoffs…
- willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:08 pm
  
  If I remember right, word was Heston might not even pitch for Sac.
  
  But you have to hope a post season rotation would be better than last year. If your options after Bum and the hopefully healthy Leake are:
  Cain Vogs Peavy Hudson Lincecum Heston you’d hope Heston would be in the mix somehow based on body of work. Unless SF is convinced the “body of work” is too many innings pitched.
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:12 pm

Blade is fine, he’s banging some new chick
- djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:14 pm
  
  Well how long does that take?
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm
    
    I suspect he’s been repeating the process over and over and over and…..
  - djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm
    
    Sounds tedious…
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:27 pm
    
    he seems to like doing it
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm
  
  I know he’s in good shape, but a week? At least he’s saving on cross-Pacific airfare…
  - djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:36 pm
    
    lulz!
  - wilcojoe said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:41 pm
    
    Plus you have to take into account the altitude. A five minute session up there is like twenty down here.
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:39 pm

My excitement for the afternoon waiting the Giants game is fixing the younger Snarkette’s bike, now heading out to fake like I’m cleaning the garage while pounding some Red Tail Ales…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:42 pm

Fun times in Dodger Land, as the Dodgers lose their 5th in a row. I was going to check out what Dodger fans had to say at the end of their game today, but when I went to the TrueBlueLA blog, the guy in charge of the blog had deleted the whole game-day thread! It had gotten that bad and ugly on the blog. And he posted a message on his blog:

This is mostly for regulars
Because the people who only exist to post negatively in game threads can fuck right off…
But seriously, the comments as a whole are an embarrassment right now. I don’t even bother reading them, because it’s just garbage 80% of the time.
Just treat people with common respect and decency for once, please. There are a group of long-time regulars who have helped devolve this into a constant battle of assholes. You know who you are, and all I ask is, please think twice before continuing to stoke the flames of an argument that has clearly not been advancing for weeks.
Continue to fight the good fight away from ignorance, but grow the fuck up, too.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 23, 2015 | 2:55 PM reply
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:27 pm
  
  Dodger fan in-fighting. This year just keeps getting better and better
sandog said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:47 pm

I would put X’s next to LeMaster, Moffitt, Brantley, and Benard.
- sandog said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:52 pm
  
  …and I would give a plaque to Willie Montanez just cuz I loved him so much during his two partial seasons with the Giants. The first of which he drove in a total of 101 runs combined with the Phillies. I had a chart at home where I kept track of his RBI’s, hoping he’d get to 100 by the end of the year.
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:45 pm
    
    loved him too. Just looked him up, played on 9 different teams. He’s 67 years old now
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 3:52 pm

Speaking of Houston (in a tangential sort of way), this weekend I learned that there’s a thing in Texas called “BBQ guns.” These are guns that are worn in social situations, like going to a barbecue. I’m not sure how I never heard of BBQ guns. You’d think I’d have heard of something like that one point or another.
But you’d think that, if people are drinking at the BBQ, and are packing heat, well, things could get a little dicey. But then again, that’s just my opinion.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:03 pm
  
  Zum, I lived in Texas for a bit over 3 years.
  Doesn’t sound out of the ordinary to me, for certain areas back there.
  A lot, lot of Texans think they are Texans first, Americans a distant second. And, guns are very Texan. Like anywhere though, there are poseurs amongst all. I left Texas partially because I refused to bring up a daughter (the younger one showed up after moving) in a “republic” where gov’t is forbade from interfering with your gun love, takes evolution out of school books, shoves the Bible in your face whenever possible, and will constantly try to stick it’s nose with impunity in your bedroom and your wife/girlfriend/daughter’s Ob/GYN’s office…
- wilcojoe said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:31 pm
  
  Lived here since 97 and I have never heard of it. Fortunatley they do teach evolution now, so I am sure a lot has changed in the last twenty years or so. In fact the state as a whole has evolved with so many transplants from the west coast and north inundating their three major markets(Dallas, Houston and Austin). That being said, the state is still a red state (with Austin being the only true democratic majority) and some of the rural areas are as backwoods as they come. An open gun law goes into effect Jan 1st, however nearly all commercial businessss have said that they will not allow guns on premises, so the law is fairly pointless. I for one have never seen a gun, concealed or not, outside of anyone’s home in all the years I have lived here. I am as anti gun as they come but I will admit a sense of hypocritical comfort in knowing that I am less likely to be fucked with in Texas, as the other guy doesn’t know if I am packing or not.
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:48 pm
    
    just caught an interview with a NIner player (not sure who it was) and he was saying that the team needs to focus just on football and forget the outside stuff like partying and distractions. He said the players need to remember why they’re here, to play football, and if it wasn’t for football *99% of us wouldn’t be in California” followed by a laugh. Just another reminder of why MLB free agents might shun the Giants so regularly….
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Just arrived at PNC…right by Left field foul pole 4th row. Go Giants…F Dodgers…..
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:11 pm
  
  nice. take a pic or two
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:12 pm
  
  Nice, ghead.
  Give us the vibe; that is one park I would luv to visit…
- gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:39 pm
  
  Flav will send a pic tomorrow. Forgot to save your email on new phone…
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:44 pm
    
    bigflavor77@gmail.com
ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:33 pm

The flan man on mlb tonight. The guy can just spin a tale.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:34 pm
  
  he’s really good
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 4:33 pm

gonna be flipping back and forth a lot between games, at least through the first Q of the NIner game. I’m mostly interested to see how the turf holds up. It blows my mind that these simple fucks can’t lay down some sod that will take……
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:15 pm

Tomsula is a sweaty dude, isn’t he? I bet when he’s banging his wife she feels like she’s riding on the shoulders of a great tsunami…..
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:19 pm

My second trip here to PNC and I think they said sell out buy that may have been from a scalper outside. Big crowd though but lots of seats still empty upper deck. Not an ATT crowd but great vibe. This is probably my third favorite

My oldest son and I came to a game about 10 years ago and we had a huge mother t-storm hit about the 5th inning and we had at least an hour half rain delay. Then I believe it was Linden who hits a 10th inning go ahead homer and who was that fwad former Met closer Benitez??? He proceeds to blow the game immediately in the bottom of the inning. We drive all the way back late on a Sunday steaming mad…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:22 pm

Thanks for the insight about Texas,
Snarkk and WilcoJoe.
I was in a CVS Pharmacy, checking out their magazine section, and I saw on the cover of Guns & Ammo magazine a reference to “BBQ guns.” That perplexed me at the time, until I read some online stuff about it.
Here’s the cover of the magazine:
https://store.intermediaoutdoors.com/products.php?product=Guns-%26-Ammo-September-2015
Lately I’ve been noticing more gun magazines in stores in my area. I don’t know what it means, from a sociological standpoint. I’m horrified and kind of fascinated by the phenomenon. The magazine industry is struggling in general, but gun magazines seem to be doing pretty well. I’m wondering if it’s just a temporary phenomenon. The market is probably over-saturated with “gun porn” magazines now, I would think. It’s not uncommon to see 15-20 different gun magazines in my local grocery stores. The Central Valley is evenly distributed conservative and liberal.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:42 pm
  
  I was in TX in mid to late nineties, when Dubya was just finishing his streak of idiocy there…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:26 pm

When Vogie starts nibbling, it drives me crazy.
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:32 pm

Vogie’s making the Dodger fans feel a little better about things.
ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:33 pm

What’s the over under for number of pitches by a giants pitcher in the first inning? It can’t be under 20.
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:34 pm

Not the start we wanted out of Voggy:(
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:34 pm

Really tired of these first inning dumpster fire innings by Voggy…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:34 pm

“On the surface this seems to have all the makings of an embarrassing execution”

BF nailing it again.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:58 pm
  
  well, that was pretty obvious. I think my HR calls are much better.
xoot said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Susac has no idea how to help Vogelsong in this inning. ESPN’s Schill may or may not be right that the pirates are stealing the signs, but the criticism of Susac’s work in general is unfortunately spot on.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm
  
  Voggy is the vet. If he can’t friggin figure how to throw a damn strike, then go home and retire with the enchilada queen. He could call time himself and ask Susac to come out for a break…
  - xoot said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:43 pm
    
    If your catcher’s not in charge, you’re automatically weak up the middle. Posey’s standing on 1B and biting his tongue and it pisses him off almost as much as that just-missed CF fly ball did in the first inning.
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:56 pm
    
    Posey the supposed unofficial captain, can easily call time if he wants to and walk over to calm down Voggy, or Rags / Bochy can signal somebody to go out and give Voggy a blow. Susac with less than a season under his belt is down the list of blame…
  - xoot said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:05 pm
    
    Posey can take charge from 1B? I don’t think so. And I don’t think the problem was “time.”
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:20 pm
    
    Why the hell not? I’ve seen first baseman and other infielders go to the pitcher to give him a blow and get his head on straight. And nothing stops Bochy for signalling the guys to go out and have a meeting…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:39 pm

Susac batting 5th. Ouch.
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm

I really hope Voggy finishes strong this season. When it’s over, I don’t want to see him ever again throwing for the Giants…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Liriano’s not digging that visit by the pitching coach.
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:51 pm

He just walked the pitcher, so yeah, swing at the high inside first pitch.
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm
  
  Yeah, WTF was that? Liriano can’t find the zip code of the plate, and Aoki gets jammed on the first pitch of his AB? Seriously, what are these dudes thinking when they go up there — that was a Panda AB…
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 5:56 pm

pretty stoked Clemente wasn’t #17
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:03 pm

We’ve just been notified that Marlin fan is here…if things keep going bad I am going after that motherfucker. Will be totally worth the jail time. Of course the two boys will have to fend for themselves….
- wilcojoe said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:22 pm
  
  Looks like he is in the second row behind home on the aisle. Appears to be sitting next to a couple hot chicks.
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:24 pm
    
    I’ve never seen that dude not staring at his phone
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:28 pm
  
  I’ll pay your bail if you somehow manage to grab his phone, jack off all over it and hand it back to him
  - gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:31 pm
    
    Dumping a beer on him is Option #2…
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:50 pm
    
    ok, but you’re only getting half bail money for that stunt
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:17 pm

Get Petit in there before this thing explodes…
xoot said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:19 pm

John Kruk just said “super-FLEW-us.” Somehow that gaffe suits this effing game so far. come on Giants.
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:27 pm

did Voggy and Susac even get a game plan going before the game? It’s like Susac has absolutely no idea what Voggy wants to throw tonight
- snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:31 pm
  
  And Voggy has no idea where the ball is going. Get his ass outta there, he’s clueless tonite. This is exactly why they have Petit. Unless Petit is hurt or on the DL, he should come into the 4th. Otherwise, why is he on the roster…
  - gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:32 pm
    
    Petit was up in the pen….
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:49 pm
    
    totally agree.
pawliekokonuts said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:30 pm

I was going to head to a loud, distracting so-called sports bar to watch the game, but when I saw it was already 3-0, I stayed home. Moved daughter to SU campus today. No, I did not cry for me, Argentina.
- ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:52 pm
  
  A friend of mine got a birthday card for her mother nancy. It showed Nancy Reagan’s head on top of the Classic Evita peron’s stance (maybe it was Madonna?)with both arms outstretched and just had “Nancita” on it. I thought it was brilliant.
  - pawliekokonuts said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:21 pm
    
    it is brilliant
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:45 pm

Petit in two batters too late. Hopefully he can clean up Voggy’s predictable mess…
ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:47 pm

Is the conga line THAT dependent on pence? It sure seems that way even when he was scuffling. And why rest freaking belt and not posey. Sigh.
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm

that is fucking hilarious
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:01 pm

Jesus, if this is what Alvarez plays like at first base what was he like at third base?
ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:01 pm

Posey busts out of the slump in a big way!!
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:04 pm

Giants are just tired and done on this trip. They can’t get anything going even with those Alvarez gifts.
Carstie Clausen said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:08 pm

The two bats missing from the lineup were loud in their absence in that inning. Another golden opportunity down the big swirly with only the single run scoring. Susac batting 5th is currently ridiculous. Belt certainly would have done no worse. So in another sense there are 3 prime bats not in tonight’s game.
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:12 pm
  
  I’m usually not a big participant in the Belt Wars, but yeah, sitting Belt was a bit of a disrespect from Bochy. For one thing, the Giants have tomorrow off, and tonight was a night game; there was ample rest for Posey.
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:37 pm
    
    Belt sitting against lefties should be standard practice. I have no problem with Belt sitting tonight (surprise). Especially vs a tough lefty like Liriano.
  - gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:45 pm
    
    Liriano had been real nasty on Crawford…
  - ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:51 pm
    
    Except belt has a good record against lefties for the most part and posey just sucks right now. And nothing in this game is changing that.
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:24 pm

This is an important fuckin’ game. They better get it together.
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:35 pm

If I ever experience an erection that lasts 4 hours, the last thing I’m doing is calling 9-1-1
- xoot said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:50 pm
  
  If that happens you shouldn’t be the person in trouble. If you are, however . . . .
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:37 pm

We’re still in it…Bum pinch hit grand slam coming up…
pawliekokonuts said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm

Pirates’ radio annoucers skeptical of the replay review, saying Duffy looked safe.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:41 pm
  
  he was safe.
  - unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm
    
    No shit. Just popped over tfrom the Niner game.
Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:44 pm

It takes the Giants an error, two singles and what seems like 20 minutes to scratch out a run. The Pirates get it back in 2 seconds.
- ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm
  
  And that’s your giants replay.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Got to win this game somehow Dogs are flailing and we aren’t gaining ground.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:54 pm

Fuuuuuuuuuck.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:55 pm

The 2nd run is more important, but woulda been nice to get the one.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:56 pm

Oh jeebers. Belt?!? Against a lefty no less. instant 0-2.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:57 pm

11 lob. fuck
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:58 pm

bad luck with the ball into the stands. Belt swung the bat, I have to celebrate that regardless of the outcome.
Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 7:59 pm

Damn, that’s frustrating.
gianthead said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:03 pm

Off the bat, it looked like Belt had hit it in the gap…damn that could have been tied up…
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:11 pm

Bullpen gashouse gang at it again.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:12 pm
  
  yup. All these short outings from the SP’s are adding up now
  - pawliekokonuts said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:14 pm
    
    what was the deal with Bochy pulling Affeldt as he warmed up?
  - Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:26 pm
    
    i think they were giving Oshit some extra time to warm up
ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:18 pm

The problem with mounting a comeback is that all the hitters that could make it happen: pence posey belt Crawford pagan are all useless. Can blanco and aoki and Duffy make it happen? Not without the missing ingredients above.
willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:18 pm

Wow, another guy out the pen giving up a bomb, theme of the road trip.
Along with Giants unable to respond in kind.

I didn’t see a lot on this trip, but tell me Pirates don’t look a lot tougher to beat than Cards.
- Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:21 pm
  
  I’ve been wondering the same thing, especially after they swept the Mets in NY last week. The only thing is, other than Cole, their starting pitchers aren’t really that formidable.
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:21 pm
  
  Yeah, the Giants were competitive in all these games; just couldn’t get past missing Pence and Panik.
djloo27 said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:21 pm

Arizona and San Diego are going to pass us.
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm
  
  Could be, and pass the Dodgers, too. The Dodgers are looking old and tired, too.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

These fucking announcers are way too busy gabbing to pay attention to the game or figure out the players on the teams they are broadcasting. 3 guys in the booth causes this insipid babble.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

Yeah, noticed the Pads and Dbacks are both hovering around ,500.
willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:24 pm

Flav you’re on fire tonite. 7:01, 7:35, et al.
The Cialis or whatev ads are all lame, but your response is POTY.

Ever since last night when I watched last quarter of Raider game my TV has been messed up; tonite it’s on and then shuts off after short while, then I gave up. Like it knows what I did was wrong.

Listened to Kruk and miller for a while. Even Kruk uttered the dreaded “nibbling” description.
I can admire Vogs for his grit, but I’ve just never warmed to that style of SP…didn’t care much for Rueter either.
- Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:29 pm
  
  ha, and those ads are somehow, impossibly, getting lamer. Glad my kid doesn’t like watching baseball with me. How do you explain the viagra ads that are on every 3 seconds to your pre-teen?
  - Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:35 pm
    
    When my daughter was younger, we would play this computer game called Deer Avenger in which the deer gets to blow away the hunters. One of the calls used to lure the hunters out of the woods was “Viagra, get your Viagra,” and my giggling daughter was blissfully unaware of what that meant. Now when she sees those ads it’s like a little running gag between us.
  - willedav said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:42 pm
    
    I read I think 3 novels set in Bangkok about last honest cop there a devout Buddhist who has to investigate all these horrible crimes in the stories, written by J Burdett. The cop’s Mom was in the “business” in her younger days, but then met a powerful colonel who set her up as boss of her own place. She advertises for older guys from all over world to come there, gives them a dose and then her girls take care of them a half hour or so later.
    
    But yeah, how can you explain to kids why this is a product marketed so heavily?
zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:25 pm

Many crazy weeks of baseball ahead.
unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:40 pm

Blehhh. The time they really NEED to rest Posey, they aren’t.
Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:42 pm

Giants left town 2.5 games out of first place and will return 1.5 games back, so this might have been the most successful 2-5 road trip in team history.
- ewisco said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:48 pm
  
  amen brother. nice call.
Flavor said, on August 23, 2015 at 8:45 pm

“Uh oh, I’ve lost all vision and hearing. Maybe I should call my dr. But wait, I’ve still got a rockstar hard on that’s lasted 4 hours. Call my dr? Hmmmmmm, I think I’m gonna keep jack hammering away on my lady “Helen Keller style.” lqtm
- zumiee said, on August 23, 2015 at 9:33 pm
  - snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 10:00 pm
    
    Jessica Walter, she of wacko-ness in Play Misty for Me.
    One of my favorite Clint movies. Came out in ’71, same year as SF’s playoff loss against the Bucs.
    He came out at night from his supposed radio station gig to a bar actually at the place that was / is
    the Sardine Factory restaurant in Monterey. Great wine list in that place — as long as War and Pinot…
Macdog said, on August 23, 2015 at 9:19 pm

Catching up on today’s comments was certainly a lot more entertaining than those last couple of innings. Great stuff today, from the greatest HRs to the Plaque names. Geez, the Prez is probably more deserving than Benard.
snarkk said, on August 23, 2015 at 11:06 pm

Voggy’s inning #1 fateful hole digging tonight is Exhibit A for why Heston needs to be playoff eligible…
eddacker said, on August 24, 2015 at 7:23 am

Another road trip and another plane ride home licking our wounds. Ending the dog days against two of those road teams and then the doggers.
Daubers in loser mode. But with zumie in the yard Thursday we have one win a-comin’
I have stopped praying for miracles like a healthy horse or a panik back or more than one giant getting hot at the same time.
Today, I pray for endurance.
Rest my Gigantes and spank the cubbies.
willedav said, on August 24, 2015 at 7:31 am

Standings don’t say so but Pirates look like better team than Cards do, at least vs. Giants. Better speed and power up and down LU, plus McCutch, a better player overall than any other Cardinal. As wilco said pitching not quite as good, but home and away 2 good series against SF.
Ramirez a good pick up, and maybe they get return to last year form from healthy J Harrison. Love their OF.

@SD–I dug willie the phillie too, one of first guys I remember doing the snap grab on popups. I used to practice that playing OF in batting practice or workouts for softball teams I was on but didn’t have nerve enough to do it in a game.
Like behind the back passes in b-ball, you screw one up it’s pretty embarrassing.
unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2015 at 8:55 am

The Cards are decimated by injuries. They get healthy, they won;t be a walk in the park either.

We should be making hay on this Dead Dog swoon. Starting tomorrow.
- Carstie Clausen said, on August 24, 2015 at 9:15 am
  
  Cubbies tomorrow night throw Arrieta against Cain. Doesn’t sound easy unless Posey wakens from his slumber and Belt plays. We are missing two majorest bats already and desperately need the aforenamed to start reconnecting.
Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 9:39 am

new thread