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Dark Day

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 24, 2015

Yesterday sucked. That was the first game in a while I felt like we just weren’t going to win. Too bad since Liriano was average at best. Everyone looked tired. Getting back to SF at 3am probably didn’t do them any favors but the day off couldn’t come at a better time. Re-charge, re-boot.

Still only 1.5 games out. Some how.

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  1. pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 10:26 am

    This last series felt like deja vu all over again pre-ASG 2012, 2015 redux malaise syndrome. That’s the bad news. The good news is that in both ’12 and this year as well, post-ASG ended up pretty good (immediately post-ASG this year). Am I wrong?

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 24, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Amazingly, the club is well positioned coming off a 2-5 road trip. On this day in 2010 the Giants trailed Padres by 5.5 games.

  3. Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:50 am

    Personally, I’d rather be in this situation than the Royals. Time and time again, teams that run away with the division wilt in the playoffs. Why? Not used to pressure. It’s tough to go from winning easy all of a sudden to “ok, we CANNOT fuck this up.” I’d like to know that stats on how often a team fucks up in the playoffs after winning their division with ease.

    • zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:56 am

      A few jump to mind immediately. The Nationals and Dodgers last year. The Mariners that year they won about 110 games or so.

      • Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:12 pm

        I’m already putting the Royals in that category this year. MAYBE because they got there last year they’ll be able to call on that experience. But they sure seem to be in coast mode this year.
        Having said that, the Warriors coasted in the regular season and won it all so…..I guess I’m just talking about baseball.

      • xoot said, on August 24, 2015 at 1:19 pm

        The Giants in 2003.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      See the bums of last year for a prime example. Still a lot of ball left, but winning the division is looking like our ticket to the post-season dance. But again, we have a chance beginning tomorrow to whittle away at the Cubbie’s hold on the 2nd WC. Both need to be viewed as possibilities, but would love to see the boys win the division.

  4. zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:55 am

    No Giants game today, but a couple of good match-ups on national TV tonight. The Astros/Yankees are on the MLB Network at 4:00 Pacific, and the D-Backs/Cardinals are on ESPN 2 at 7:00 Pacific. Suddenly the D-Backs got kind of relevant, for the moment.

    • Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:13 pm

      they have no pitching, I’ll be shocked if they can keep this going.

  5. Bozo said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    I know a 2-5 road trip isn’t great, but there was some very exciting baseball games played on this trip (yesterday? Maybe not, but still). Because of injuries, we have role players becoming regulars. Maybe some of them shouldn’t be in the Bigs, but they are here now and they are getting playoff type game experience. This may come into play down the stretch in a good way.
    Enjoy the day off, because on Tuesday it will be time to kick some Cub ass, knock that Windy City right outta them.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      Agree, John. Overall, I thought our boys played very well on this trip…certainly better than the indication of a 2-5 trip. Many of those games that they lost were winable.

  6. unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    Pads are a different story. They are 9-3 their past 12.

    But that was after losing 6 in a row. But were 8-2 before that. Preceding a 6 game losing streak. And a 5 game winning streak. Sweep the Mets on the road, and get swept by the Phils at home? x

    What up with that, San Dawg? They are fucking schizophrenic.

  7. unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    Many of the losses were due to the pen giving up fingers late.

    The pen issues many have been talking about are coming to pass. Oscich and Kontos, guys who have been solid, weren’t. Everyone chipped in a little to the losses. Still think a lot of this depends on Cain. He needs to put together a 7 (or at least 6+) inning game.

  8. chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    It was a busy weekend for me, and I was not Flapping much. But I do recall on a previous thread, a few had asked the question about whether or not Heston would be eligible for the post-season. He will need to be back on the 25 man roster before August 31 to be eligible. Here is what I have found on post-season eligibility. And my apologies if this has already been hashed-out on a previous thread…

    “To be eligible for a team’s postseason roster, a player must be on any of the following: (a) the active 25-man roster (b) the disabled list, (c) the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight ET. (Source – Baseball Prospectus.) The only exception is that a player who is on the disabled list at the end of the regular season may be replaced on the postseason roster by any other player who was in the organization on August 31, with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.

  9. chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    Don’t Panik yet…the latest on our 2nd baseman, according to John Shea…

    Giants manager Bruce Bochy said Saturday that he’s hopeful Joe Panik (back) will be able to return to the Giants in the first week of September.

    He has still yet to begin taking swings and could head out on a minor league rehab assignment before the end of next week. Panik has been on the shelf since August 3 due to inflammation in his lower back.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2015 at 1:18 pm

      Well, being ‘hopeful’ means nothing.

      Hate to say it, but these guys are very systematic about their obfuscation when it comes to player health. Like it’s the cold war or some shit.

      • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:04 pm

        Hey – don’t shoot the messenger. I get it…but just sharing the latest…do with it whatever ya like…

  10. Irish Kevin said, on August 24, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    The way the Giants and Dodgers are playing, I See the 6 games left against the Dodgers are going to be huge. Just the way I see it.

  11. Lisle Ellis said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Cubs just walked off on a Bryant homer against Clev. Was checking Cubs schedule … 19 days at home with two off days … Only travel in that period was to the south side for series vs WSox … Wow, they ain’t kidding when they say ‘sweet home Chicago’! They are 17-3’in August.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      Let’s see how they do on the road, beginning tomorrow against us for three, and then to the latrine to play the bumbinos for three. Then they have three each on the road against the Bucs and Cards in September. They also have three against those two teams at home in September. The cubs look legit this year, but they have looked legit in the past and found a way to fuck it all up.

      • Lisle Ellis said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:33 pm

        Yes, Cubs always seem to find away … and if they don’t, one of their fans fucks ’em (Bartman/Aou incident).

        First time since 1945 they’ve won 20 of 24 games …I’m hopeful shock of being out of Chicago will wilt them.

  12. chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    There are seven games left with the bumbinos, Kev. There are four in our yard late September and three in the latrine beginning August 31. I could see the series at the end of September deciding who wins the West…or it could come down to the final day (we close out the season against the Rox at home).

    Sept/Oct – 31 games. 16 home, 15 away. All except three against Cincy (home) and Oakland (there) are in division. 19 of the 31 are against teams with less than a .500 record (and that does not include Zona, who is currently one game over .500). Time to make hay if ya want to go to the post-season dance!

  13. pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    I would not be stunningly shocked to see a HOU-PITT WS. Not that I’m wanting it. If it came to be, I’d be for the Bucs.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 3:14 pm

      Agree. Gotta go with the Senior Circuit if the Gigantes are not playing…

  14. pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    Cleveland in 1954: great season. Swept by NYG. Some fan in the audience at the WS trophy thing (or maybe it was Mays or maybe Bryan Srabian of the Giants) pointed out how these 3 in 5 are actually harder than the old days, because you have to survive all these elimination threats. By some convoluted reasoning, someone dared to claim the Giants won 9 WS these past five years. Something crazy like that. Hey, we all have our psychoses.

  15. chipower9 said, on August 24, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    The Clown shared some articles on Charles Johnson, Giants principal owner a few threads back (good reads…thanks, John). Here is an article I shared a few years ago that provides additional insight into the man few know, but is the principal holder of the purse strings for the club.

    http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Charles-Johnson-top-Giants-owner-keeps-low-3466803.php

    • zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      Interesting article, thanks. He’s the anti-Jerry Jones and the anti-Mark Cuban type of owners.

  16. gianthead said, on August 24, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    Despite the terrible Voggy start, we had a good time at t he game. The drive home truly sucked. I had to pull over for over an hour and got some sleep in.

    We then found a McD open on the way home and the c-sucker who made me coffee put a packet of salt in it instead of sugar. I am going to hunt that mother down…We pulled up at home at 4:40am:(

    But at the game, we talked to three millenial type of Pirate fans sitting in front of us for most of the game and had a great time with them talking about baseball. They were all very complimentary about the Giants and the run we have been on and compliments on how the organization Is so well managed. We bailed after the Giants failed to score in the 8th without my be at down of the Marlins fan…

    • djloo27 said, on August 24, 2015 at 5:35 pm

      Do you think the salt in the coffee was intentional?

      • wilcojoe said, on August 24, 2015 at 5:36 pm

        You better hope it was just salt.

  17. gianthead said, on August 24, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    And even though it sucked not being very competitive last night and having the chance over the last two games to move into first place, the honest expectation of this last road trip was we would probably win one in st. Lou and split the series in Pitt, so we were just one game off that expectation. Let’s make it up at home….

    • pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      I always love personal accounts of games. Yours is a great read. Thanks.

  18. Macdog said, on August 24, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Halicki no-hitter was 40 years ago today.

    • Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 6:46 pm

      ha! that is fantastic news, thanks. My first game. I’ll hit pops up and remind him

      • zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 6:53 pm

        Technically, it was your second game, of the doubleheader. 🙂

      • Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 7:29 pm

        good point. Still call it my first game tho!

      • pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 7:51 pm

        I recall listening to it, driving on Route 17 from CT to SYR, vs. the Mets, a Sunday day game. Wasn’t there a questionable scoring call, possibly involving Willie Montanez, a slick glove man?

      • Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        i remember almost nothing about the game. I remember we were sitting down low but just in front of the overhang and I remember thinking the people in the shade behind us looked cold.

      • Macdog said, on August 24, 2015 at 8:51 pm

        If there’s the opposite of a no-hitter, the Mets had it tonight.

      • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:49 am

        Two things. About the lip/overhang at the Stick. My coldest game was a double-header against the Cubbies. It was so damned cold under the overhang, that we (and we were not alone) would go down outside the lip between innings and stand in the sun for a couple of minutes to thaw. Brings new credence to the term “my coldest winter was a summer in San Francisco.”

        Loo – I love the old newclips you dig out. Good stuff!

  19. Flavor said, on August 24, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    A’s have finally had it and canned their 3rd base coach. #fallguy

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on August 24, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    The WashPost just posted a piece on Moneyball 2.0, with the heading saying the new analytics is related to health and injuries. Too cheap to click on it. And too worried how bad our medicos will make us look.

  21. zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    Pawlie, yes on the questionable call in the Halicki no-hitter. I think Staub hit a ball that should have been scored a hit, but was ruled an error to keep the no-hitter going.

    • zumiee said, on August 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      I just read Loo’s article. Wow, what a blatantly horrible scoring decision. Clearly, that should be a hit. A line- drive off the pitcher’s leg that the fielder had to make a barehanded attempt at.

  22. snarkk said, on August 24, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    Re: BF’s blurb about the A’s firing Gallego today from the third base coach position, and his position entirely with the A’s after 19 seasons or some such. WTF? That is BS, low brow, bush league stuff. The A’s are suckage, and with 6 weeks left they fire basically a career guy with the team? Why? Because supposedly he sent a few guys lately that got thrown out? WTF is he supposed to do when your season has officially been thrown on the sacrificial pyre by Beane — hold guys up when it MIGHT be a close play at home? Totally bush league, and that’s saying something given it’s the A’s. If he’s a scapegoat for Beane’s horrible moves last season, it’s even worse. Gallego is a stand up guy. There must be, better be, more to it than that — like a power struggle with Wash since he came back, or something…

  23. James said, on August 24, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    Since division play started, 19 of 45 times the NL team with the best record has won the pennant. Between 1969 and 1994, it was 13 of 25. Most of the time, when the “inferior” team went to the WS, it was within a couple of Ws of the other’s win total. Since the move to 3 divisions and the wild card, 6 of the 20 teams with the best record have won the pennant. As usual, the actual numbers strongly suggest pure randomness at work rather than some collective psychology.

    • snarkk said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:21 pm

      So, it’s a good thing the Giants have been hurt and may limp into a division win. They’d be disfavored again. Though if they win 4 in 6, I’d say randomness would be hard pressed to explain that result; a Bochy constant might be a better piece of such an equation…

      • James said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:30 pm

        It’s randomness within a context. If three of the 4-5 playoff teams had the worst records in the league, you’d see a different result.

      • James said, on August 24, 2015 at 11:33 pm

        I like Bochy a lot, but Buster Posey has a lot more to do with those 3 rings than any manager ever could. And luck is the biggest factor of all.

      • zumiee said, on August 25, 2015 at 6:47 am

        What SABR can’t explain, must be attributed to luck. I would say that’s a core SABR fundamental.

      • James said, on August 25, 2015 at 7:35 am

        Well, Boch didn’t will Kinsler’s ball back onto the field. It’s not only a SABR principle; it’s how competitive games work. Some might extend it further . . . .

      • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:57 am

        James – comparing a player (and especially a top player) to a manager or coach (in relation to their contributions) is like comparing Ferraris to VW Microbuses. Posey is certainly a key reason for the 3 in 5, but I don’t think you can minimize Bochy’s contributions to the same.

  24. blade3colorado said, on August 25, 2015 at 7:27 am

    I don’t believe in luck. For every action, there is a reaction. Always. No coincidences in life . . . or baseball. Only consequences. Best definition of luck I have ever seen (and I have mentioned it here before) is:

    “Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity” – Roman philosopher, Seneca.

    That being said – I’ve learned I have no control over people, places, and things . . . Only my own attitude and relationship with the universe (or call it God if you are religious).

    • James said, on August 25, 2015 at 7:43 am

      “May the best man win”

      • pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:34 am

        You mean, “May the best gender-free operative succeed, or at least participate in a rewarding and fulfilling existential experience,” don’t you?

      • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:54 am

        Good one, Pawlie…but politcal correctness on the Flap? 😛

      • pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:55 am

        where’s Twin with his gimme some ol’ time “f*ckwad”?

    • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:53 am

      I’m drinking the same Kook Aid that Blade is drinking. Damn that is some good stuff!

  25. pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 7:34 am

    Blade’s Third Law of unSABRed Pendulum Contrapuntal Cohesion.

  26. snarkk said, on August 25, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Cubs are for real this year.
    Giants need to gird their loins, and Posey especially needs to wake up from his latest “tired” phase. The dude is making way too much coin for this tired business to shut his bat down the lest 6 weeks of every season. For games played catcher/1b he’s at 85/29, a total of 115 games. Molina for the Cards has played 113 games at catcher, none at any other position. He’s at least 5 years older than Posey. And, it’s hot in St. Louis. Molina isn’t counted on to key the offense like Posey, still, I don’t see how Buster is supposed to be tired right now at his age, when Bochy is playing him at 1b 25% of the games he plays. If his healed broked ankle requires days off at 1b, I could understand, but they never say that is an issue…

    • James said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:11 am

      Buster was pretty great last September. He’s just a tad inconsistent 🙂

    • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:56 am

      Who has said he is tired? I have not heard that from him, Bochy, or anyone. I think we will all agree that all players are streaky, and Buster is certainly that. I will take his streakiness over any other catcher in the game. But I do agree it is time for him to get on a hot streak…you know, as streaks go.

      • snarkk said, on August 25, 2015 at 12:52 pm

        I’ve heard it from Kruk on KNBR, and other KNBR voices…

  27. unca_chuck said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:11 am

    Managers may not win rings, but they sure lose ’em. See Matt Williams in the playoffs last year.

    Or Donnie two trips every other game. Bochy deserves more credit than some give. Mainly for his handling of his bullpen.

    • chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:59 am

      Agreed. Bochy brings a lot to the dance, and certainly was instrumental in winning 3 in 5.

  28. pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:11 am

    James/Snarkk, just read review of new book on Joan Didion in the New Yorker. Berkeley. Dude.

  29. unca_chuck said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Put it this way , James. Switch Bochy with Williams as coaches 3 years ago and the Giants have 0 rings and the Nats have 2

    • James said, on August 25, 2015 at 9:17 am

      Chuck, I think Zumie might say no Aaron Rowand, no 3 in 5 . . . and what would have happened without Matt Downs on the roster? 🙂

      • pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 9:19 am

        or Brandon Hicks. Tyler Colvin, anyone? and Uggla paved the way for Panik!

  30. willedav said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:40 am

    Players do make the plays tho, or not. Exhibit A: Travis Ishikawa, a lifelong fringe player who got what he was looking for from a good pitcher, didn’t miss it, and ended Cards season once and for all.
    Bochy is at top of list certainly in NL, tho he gets an awful lot of heat here and elsewhere in blogosphere.

    It will be interesting to see how guys like Hurdle (who never impressed me) and Collins of Mets in a brand new scenario will fare this year. Also saw a post on different Cards site from blogger who wondered if Matheny now has better sense of how to manage his pen in post season as opposed to reg season.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on August 25, 2015 at 8:44 am

      I’m not too impressed with Terry Collins. A baseball lifer right out of central casting (as was Charlie Manuel), he seems to have the knack of changing pitchers at exactly the wrong moment fairly often. I have friends who are Mets fans who don’t care for him, though surely they are enjoying this ride.

  31. chipower9 said, on August 25, 2015 at 9:02 am

    Okay…day off to erase that POS roadie, recharge the batteries, etc. Time to KICK SOME cubbie ASS! Will be tough today. Cain will need his A-game going against Arrieta.

    Four in Six? Why Not!
    Humm Baby – Let’s Do It Again!

  32. Flavor said, on August 25, 2015 at 9:39 am

    new


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