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Winding Down or Spiraling Downward?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 8, 2015

Boy, if we could all have as nice of a Labor Day as the Giants, right? Show up to work, get paid, but do no work. That’s how the true wise guys stay ahead of working stiffs like you and me…….

Leake came up ant-small but it didn’t really make a difference since we continue to have trouble driving runs in. When Jackson Williams is your starting catcher, otherwise known as “The Human White Flag”, you know your season is toast.

Who wants to get a look at Clayton Blackburn? I do. He’s got a tidy 2.84 ERA in AAA this year, impressive considering all the bandboxes and altitudes that come into play in that league. Well, you don’t get to see him. You get fucking Huddy. Apparently, his is a tale that has yet to be told…….

Enjoy……..

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  1. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Love it. We not only have the White Shark but now also the White Flag (or even the False Flag, for those with more paranoiac appetites than mine).

    • Carstie Clausen said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      Paranoiac? How bout suffering from no cognitive dissonance and extremely well-informed?

  2. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:02 am

    Play the kids, even White Flag’s white flag replacement, whoever that might be. (But no more Ehire, who seems so old.) Here’s what I fear the most, in baseball terms: that our beloved #3in5 San Francisco Giants will spiral as a franchise the way the Philadelphia Phillies have. It wasn’t all that long ago that we were upending the Phillies to squeeze into the World Series. As Leonard Cohen put it in song, “…and wasn’t it a long way down. wasn’t it a strange way down?”

    • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:47 am

      Well, the Phils slide started in 2012. The same year they got Kevin Frandsen… Hey, wait a second…

  3. mrsprtdude said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:23 am

    “Enough with the negative waves Moriarty”. We had key injuries, and were not that far off. One OF and a few SP’s and we are right back next year. No way we become the Phillies. We never had a “core lineup” from one WS to the next anyway. Mad Bum and Posey the only key players on all 3 anyway.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:14 am

      I think you and I are drinking the same flavor of Kool Aid, Sports Dude. The only addition I have is that the bench has to be better this year. They need seasoned ML vets who know what the fuck to do in a tight/key situation, and have proven they can get it done. The one thing that cements this need = Agent Zero…say no more.

  4. willedav said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:54 am

    Hard to judge the cup of coffee guys. Blackburn I’d imagine would compete for a role next year–regardless of what he did in a spot start or 2 this season. Heston was pleasant surprise and maybe opened Sabes eyes to possibility there is more where that came from….and that he could start rebuilding rotation from within with cheaper controllable arms. Osich and Strick worked out pretty well too.

    I don’t think Giants are in decline at all. LU has a hole or two in it but can still score runs when healthy, which was big issue this season, akin to 2011. Nice young core on the IF plus Posey and Pence.

    I said before season started I wasn’t in on Aoki signing and imo he still isn’t any better player than Blanco.
    He has had his best season in a while here, but so has Blanco: he has a better OB, more walks in fewer ABs, better slugging, 1 less SB, and is a much better OF than Aoki.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:19 am

      I suspect they pick-up Aoki’s option (5.5 mil), but I don’t want to see him as a starter next year. You are right…he is no better than Blanco…so I see him as a 4th or 5th OFer, if they resign him.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:40 pm

        Actually, in his short stint since being called up Juan Perez has performed VERY adequately for a 5th outfielder. He is also considerably more of a bargain than Aoki.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

        Good point, Stix. But, Perez’s recent run is a very small sample size. Aoki is a proven ML player with 2k-plus ABs. His slash line:

        .287 .353 .386 .740

        Perez, in a bit over 200 ABs:

        .226 .272 .318 .590

        I like Perez, but not sure I want him as one of my five OFers. I want proved ML players, salary be damned (and hey, WTF…it isn’t my money πŸ˜‰ ).

  5. willedav said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:00 am

    With or without Harvey (loved Bozo comment end of last thread) I hope Mets can hold off Nats.
    If Harper were to win the MVP they’d have to widen clubhouse doors for his head to fit through them.

    There should be a lot of bidders for his services, but I’m sure Mets fans would storm the premises like the villagers in the Frankenstein movies if Alderson and Wilpons didn’t offer Cespedes enough $$$ to come back.

    • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:45 am

      Thanks, WillieD

  6. chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:11 am

    Shit. Piss. Damn. Hell. Cocksucker. Motherfucker. And Tits! My spin on the season , to date. (Thank you George Carlin for the list.)

    No, I am not on a ledge, and have not thrown in the proverbial towel, but fuck…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:55 am

      How do you REALLY feel, Chuck? Thank you for sharing, to use the vogue term.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:29 am

        Seriously, not sure Pawlie. There is a part of me that is pissed and frustrated (hence the use of George’s line). But as others have mentioned, our boys have been game this year, but the injuries have made it tough. I was telling friends last night over a cold one that I not going to get wrapped around the axle this year. If our team surprises us and makes a late charge and entry into the playoffs, that will be awesome. If not, hey…as I mentioned a number of days ago, I will begin looking forward to some spring training ball in Scottsdale and seeing how the Giants plan to reload for 2016.

  7. willedav said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:19 am

    Checked out the box score from the write up on Syracuse Chiefs game w/Pawlie’s POTD. Nice story, and noticed a bunch of former ml players in there. Was the Juan Gutierrez guy the same one used to pitch here?

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:57 am

      hmmmm…..I was jibjabbering so much during the on-field deliberations I didn’t even notice that; good point. I don’t know, but probably.

  8. snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Huddy has had two starts since July 26 or some such. A few innings. I don’t see any reason why he needs to start any more over a couple of youngsters to see what they can do. To me, pitching him now, regardless of outcome, is more of a white flag than starting a kid…

  9. Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Pawlie sees Burris play so often Manny’s probably reported him to stadium security. PK, my advice is to never engage in long staring in Burris’ direction. Also, no false moves. πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ Some day you should try to talk to him and tell him all about his cult status here at the blog.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:17 am

      At the least, I gotta get WORLD SERIOUS to Manny, which would not be difficult. Heck, for all I know, he lives here year-round! (Note to self: add the Burriss theme to CHASING WILLIE MAYS draft manuscript, which I sent to a new agent today. Pssssst, if anyone here wants, I’ll send the work in progress to you privately as a file. A preview sample package. Why not in this age of crowdsourcing? I ain’t gonna get rich. Might as well take care of my Flappers. Many of you have my email; if not, work through Magnus. We’ll do our best to sort it out.)

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:31 am

        I am in…would love to see a draft, Pawlie. I believe you have my email…if not, I will get it to you. Thank you.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:34 pm

        just sent it

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:21 pm

        Thanks, Pawlie.

  10. willedav said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:46 am

    I realize this might be a swan song for Casilla, but I’ve always liked the guy and his game face.
    He has given up more hits and walks than previous years, and at 35 seems on downside, but…
    Last 8 games 29 batters faced 2 hits 2 walks no runs, 5 saves.
    Still throws 95 plus killer breaking ball, probably still help some team somewhere as Giants transition in younger arms to late game situations.
    And of course any Casilla AB an instant classic. Imo great reclamation project from A’s, good Giant.

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:56 am

      Casilla was basically free to acquire, saved 86 games for us which is 6th ALL TIME on the SF Giants save list, and ended up costing a grand total of 17 million dollars over 5 seasons.
      If that isn’t good value, as well as being a good Giant, I have no idea what would be…….
      Also, he had one of 2 of the most hilarious at bats of all time……..

      • unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:01 am

        His mad dash to 1st that led to his hammy injury on the freezing night in Colo goes down as one of the most ridiculous Giant plays of all time. Up there With Reuben Rivera’s baserunning debacle.

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:14 am

        the mad dash down the first baseline wasn’t one of the things I was counting as a +. That was idiotic, as was his overreaction to the injury which he made look like something was torn and it turned out to be a mild strain……..

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:19 am

        Unsung. And his at-bat was EPIC. The one when he whiffed in never-to-be forgotten fashion, hilariously.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:33 am

        Charlie – while Casilla’s AB was pure idiocy, he has nothing on Ruben Sierra and his gaff. Damn…I had almost erased that from my memory banks…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:19 am

      yes, better-than-good Giant…

  11. unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Sportsdude, anyone quoting Kelly’s Heroes is OK in my book. One of my favorite movies. The cast of thousands is epic.

  12. Macdog said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:28 am

    Not much left to get excited about this season, so may as well look forward to next year.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/giants-open-2016-season-milwaukee

  13. Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:36 am

    So it looks to me like Byrd has an $8 mil vesting option for 2016 for 550 PAs. He’s about 90 off, so I’m guessing he won’t be playing much in the final week(s).

  14. snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:43 am

    For the rest of this season, I want to see as many young guys get as many reps as possible. Except 000

  15. unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:50 am

  16. gianthead said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:00 am

    Well at least it all began to fall apart last week just in time for fantasy drafts and now Week 1 for the NFL. I need to forget opening week of college and Auburn ‘ s failure to hold the lead cost me $1700 in parlay wins:( see to u all next spring….I kid…

    Another question will be do they keep Aoki and Byrd. Seems like they do and Tompkins deserves a shot to get some starts in left. He can be the all around infield utility guy as well…De Aza we hardly knew ya…

  17. gianthead said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:24 am

    The one Gigante I was surprised with this year was Romo. I thought he was done after 2014. He added some movement to his delivered pitch that I did not think he had. I think as well that casilla is gone and Affeldt thanks for the memories. Does anyone think Romo regains the closer role?

    I am not sold that Strickland has enough off-pitches to close….we can then put the Casilla/Affeldt/Hudson/Lincecum savings toward Greinke/Leake:)

    That is what about $45 mill in savings??? We could even have $5-$10 million left over for a couple of other bullpen arms…Just saying….

    What is the Pagan start count?

    • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:52 am

      If healthy, I bet the Giants re-sign Timmy (probably not for $18, but I’m not counting that money just yet).
      Money that is either already off of or probably will be off of our 2015 starting 40 man roster.

      Huddy – $12
      Marco Rain Dance – $6.6
      Affeldt – $6
      Casilla $5
      McGehee $4.8
      Vogs $4
      Maxwell/Arias/Ishi – $3.5

      On the other side of the coin, Romo goes from $6 to $9, Peavy goes from $9 – $15, Lopes from $4 – $5

      Also, guys like Belt ($3.6), Crawford $(3.2), Petit ($2.1) and Kontos ($.5) are arbitration eligible.

      So things could get interesting.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:02 pm

        Depends on the page you look at for Peavy (on Cots). The base page shows 13 for next year, the spreadsheet shows 15. Perhaps they are splitting the 4 mil signing bonus across the two seasons (hence, the 15 mil). Posey also goes up to 20 mil next year. Net, the Giants have around 57 mil coming off the books (173 mil this year, projected next year with those that drop off and raises 116 mil).

        http://tinyurl.com/q2bk2um

      • gianthead said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:13 pm

        Well no way Timmy coming of probably major surgery will he get anything but a minimal one year contract with incentives. But there is no way he is a starter for the Giants next year…in my opinion of course…

      • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        Yes Chi, I used the Cot’s spreadsheet for the Peavy numbers (and the rest as well). I just want to point out that your $116 number for 2016 doesn’t include any arb eligible players and is the total for just 12 players. So I don’t really see a total of $57 mil coming off the books.
        Unless I’m missing something, that $116 is just the already guaranteed numbers for 2016.

      • gianthead said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:24 pm

        I think Belt and Craw should be guys they extend now and give them a little bump up front more later. Petit did not have the type of year he did last and Kontos will just get a modest raise.

        I counted the savings at $63 mill and let’s guess the bump in other contracts amounts to about $15 mill. Byrd at $8 mill and did we give Aoki a $5 mill team option? If so, that is about $35 spend.

        Greinke – $23 mill first year
        Leake – $12 mill

        Guess what, that adds to $35. Two starters in my mind is a must. Heston the #4 and Peavy #5…add a bat later in the season to supplement the Byrd/Aoki/Blanco/Pagan/Thompkins shortfalls….

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:27 pm

        Agree, John. I should NOT have added the “and raises” in my comment, as I was trying to point out the delta between this year’s total salary, and the dollar amount committed to next year with no signings, arbitration hearings, etc.

        So, as I pointed out, they have about 57 mil with which to play around (if the salary for next year is in the same neighborhood as this years total). And yes, from the 57 mil they will have to sign free agents, and deal with their arb eligible players.

        The 57 mil figure gives you and idea as to how much coin they have to mess around with (if you figure the total salary for next year to be in line with this year’s total salary figure).

      • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm

        Yeah Chi, I think we’re on the same page, I’m not sure I’m agreeing with GH yet.
        We’ve got $116 mil committed to 12 players on the 40 man for 2016. To stay at the $173.2 mil which was our starting 40 man from this year, we have $57 mil. to sign the other 28 players, including our current starting SS (an All Star) and our First baseman. Both, who would probably want to make quite a bit more than their current salaries that are equivalent to what Blanco is making.
        Since there are way too many unknowns at this time and the fact that I don’t know shit, I’m just going to bow out of this discussion.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:26 pm

        Yep, John. We are on the same page. I am not sold on either Byrd or Aoki. I can see one of them as a 4th/5th. But if you have five OFers, you have Pence, Pagan, Blanco signed for next year. I think you need one more solid starting OFer (preferably with some pop). That leaves only one slot for a guy like Aoki or Byrd.

        Also, not sure that the Giants will raise the roof on next year’s salary total, as they broke the luxury tax limit this year in the trade for Leake. They have said publicly that will not become a common occurance.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:53 am

      Pagan at 101 starts. Pay up, suckahs!

      Flap prediction:

      Over 100 – Me (I posed the question), Zumiee, Blade, snarkk, LJ, and WillieD.

      Under: Flavor, Irish Kev, Dirt, and Kat.

      • gianthead said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:15 pm

        Didn’t count me Chi…I thought I predicted 110..

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:28 pm

        Sorry aout that GH. I must have missed your prediction on that thread. The Word file I put these in is dated March 24, 2015.

      • snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:43 pm

        I think I said 123, so that’s probably not happenin, but he is over 100. Should have DLed him back in July…

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:56 pm

        I did not note each prediction total…only who was over/under.

  18. willedav said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:43 am

    Hey Bozo, jazz station I listen to is having some 4hr tribute to Sonny rollins tmw afternoon I do believe, http://www.kcsm.org. He just turned 85 yesterday. You had a great link to him shared here I really enjoyed.

    On their playlist yesterday someone played Mose Allison “Your Mind’s On Vacation”. I heard him do this 40 yrs ago at a tiny club in downtown Palo Alto at corner of University and High St. which went through couple name changes. Great little place; saw Sugarcane Harris and Harvey Mandel, Sonny Terry/Brownie McGhee, Asleep at the Wheel…

    You know if talk was criminal
    You’d lead a life of crime (piano riff)
    Because your mind is on vacation
    And your mouth is working overtime.

    • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:06 pm

      Sonny’s facebook page had some great birthday photos yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/officialsonnyrollins?fref=nf

      If Mose is still alive, he has to be up there in age as well. I don’t think I ever had a chance to see him play, but I loved his stuff.

    • Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 1:38 pm

      Willie, talking about piano players, did you ever get into James Booker? Another great radio station WWOZ (my favorite) just posted an hour long set Booker did at the Maple Leaf bar in New Orleans. It’s on Youtube, but I’ll just post the WWOZ link so you can check them both out if you want.
      https://www.facebook.com/wwozneworleans?fref=nf

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:32 pm

      Another jazz/piano great was Professor Longhair. I know with your appreciation of New Orleans music that he has probably been on your radar for a long time, Clown.

  19. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Thanks, eddddddd, for your comment posted at The Laughorist.

  20. Carstie Clausen said, on September 8, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    Blackburn for a tryout performance or two? Yes. He started the season at Sacramento rather sluggishly and maintained a mid-4.00’s ERA for weeks on end. Somewhere around mid-season he started turning it around and now look ~ under 3.00. That is excellent in the PCL. In build he reminds me a bit of Big Daddy ~ Rick Reuschel. His stuff does not amaze. But at every level the dude has learned how to pitch. He’s ready for The Show.

  21. unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    No, this team isn’t going to crater for any extended length of time. I think the core of Posey, Pence, Panik, and Bummie should keep things at least somewhere relevant. Heston? Flash in the pan? Hard to say with his recent downturn since he looked so good so early. Byrd would be a great bench guy next year. As would Tomlinson.

    Get a corner OFer with some power, put Blanco back on the bench, get a couple serviceable starters, and re-stock the bullpen. Pagan actually has looked good VERY recently, like he can finally run, but I don’t know if we can squeeze one more year out of him.

    Weird how the mind works. I googled to see Angel Pagan’s ‘games played’ stats, and my fingers typed Jose Pagan.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:35 pm

      Unless he is physically unable to play next year, I see Crazy Horse penciled in as a starting OFer next year (he is signed through next year).

      And I agree with your synopsis…add a couple of quality starters (Leake and ???), an OFer with some pop, and maybe a few bullpen arms, and this team should be set to compete again. Evans and Sabean, with Bochy at the the helm, are just too good for this team to tank.

  22. unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Yeah, even Blackburn and Blach could step in and be decent. Would like Leake or a vet to step in and keep things coherent.

  23. Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    Chi– I remember that bet. What was the payout?

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      Beer or beverage of choice. So, would have to be during a Flapalooza, etc.

  24. djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    The bidding for Cespedes will probably open at 6/150, and go up from there…

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm

      Yeah. Not interested in paying that. I’d give Cespy 5/125 and be cool with not getting him. He’ll probably get 8 years from someone

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        Sorry I read 5/150 first time. Long day

  25. djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    Any chance Cain can pull a 2012 Zito-type miracle before his insane deal ends?

    • unca_chuck said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:16 pm

      One can hope, DJ. I figured he’d round out and be decent. Not happening yet.

      • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:41 pm

        Funny you would say “round out” as one of my theories about his and Jason Schmidt’s decline was that they both got too slim and were were falling off prior to their injuries…

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      Sure. His velocity is fine. He just needs an off season to figure out that new arm.

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:58 pm

        I hope that is the case. If he can come back and be a productive pitcher who regularly gives us 6-plus innings, that will be great.

  26. chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    Great to see Panik back in the starting lineup!

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
    2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    3. Matt Duffy (R) 3B
    4. Buster Posey (R) C
    5. Marlon Byrd (R) RF
    6. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    8. Gregor Blanco (L) LF
    9. Tim Hudson (R) P

  27. chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    I’m no different than the rest of you…I want to see our boys win the West. But regardless of whether or not we get there, I just want to see them put together a few streaks, and get some help, so that the series against the bums is relevant.

  28. chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    Looking ahead Flappers, who would seriously entertain a trip to the NY for the Giants-Met series in April? I have always wanted to go back and catch some games in NY, and am going to try hard to make it happen this year. A Flapalooza with DJ Loo, Mac, Pawlie and the other right coast Flappers would be bad ass. If a handful of us could go back together that would be awesome.

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      Tick tock…

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:30 pm

      I know a great bail bondsman…

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:40 pm

        lol on the bondsman Loo. I’m probably about 10% to make that trip. “so you’re telling me there’s a chance…”

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:30 pm

        LMAO…I want to visit NY and have a kick-ass time, but sure as fuck don’t want to experience it from inside a jailhouse! Where in the hell is Blade. Dude is retired and has some coin…he should join in on this.

  29. Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    Hello all, I am extra busy at work this year plus taking care of my 90 year old mom, so this has been a down year for posting, I have watched almost all the Giants games and have read through the comments over this long season. So before I go into my old dudes need to be gone comments let me say all you guys are entertaing as all get down.
    Now this season has been one of the worst for injuries. Chi, how can you expect to have bench players come in and replace two all star infielders and one all star outfielder, and tell them they have to keep the Giants in the hunt? No way Jose. I don’t think you evaluate the bench players as starters. They were never meant to be starters. And vet bench players??? Just say no to the old dudes, they belong in the AL as designated hitters. I say continue to bring up the young dudes and let them have at it. I have Panik, Crawford, Belt and Duffy as proof. You guys are calling out one dude!! 000!! We saw what the vets the Giants brought in, Uggla last year and McGee this year! Great choices.
    Now for the pitching staff. Well for new guys on the blog, I hate it when the Giants pay to much for old dudes.the Giants should just shake their hand, hand them their ring and say thank, the door is that way, I couldn’t believe they gave Hudson a 2 year deal, I can’t believe I am going to see Peavy next year(hopefully in the pen) thank goodness most of the old dudes are gone!!

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:46 pm

      Sorry to hear about your mom, bet that’s a lot of stress. How’s your fantasy play going? No play? Or are you a shark now? lqtm.
      Kevin is the worst fantasy baseball player I have ever known. And I hope he finds the humor in that, don’t take it the wrong way my man!

      • Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:50 pm

        LMAO, yeah, my son just asked me if I wanted to play FFootball, I said only if you want your friends to know how bad your dad is!! Ha ha he just turned away and shook his head!!

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:55 pm

        that’s awesome.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:34 pm

      Kev – sorry to hear about your mom. Wishing her the best, and the same for you and yours. I did NOT say “old” dudes. I said vets…someone who has been there, done that (had to fill the gap before)…instead of the likes of Adrianza. So I DO see an upgrade of the bench as being very important in the re-load for next year. I can see Tomlinson turning into a super-sub such as Zobrist, if he shows he can play some OF next year. He will probably play winter ball, too. I think he makes the team next year as a reserve, and I am down with that.

      • Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm

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  30. Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    I have never been to NY. I was in the airport for a couple of hours back in ’88, we got drunk in an airport bar while they gassed up and then we went to London. And I’ve only been to LA twice.
    So try to figure that out, I’ve been to a lot of other places…..

  31. djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    A healthy Pagan in a contract year next season could be huge.
    Just haven’t got any confidence he can…

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      zero chance. He’s broken, done. He can fiddle de do around a little bit. But he needs to be in peak physical shape to be what he once was and those days are long gone. Some guys just break down early.

      • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:52 pm

        Sadly must agree…

      • alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:10 pm

        Pagan’s best play now is his salute. Now if he just salute the Giants goodbye, I’m for it.But he has 10 mil reasons to stick around…

      • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:20 pm

        Hmmm…I am not 100 percent sure on that. Dude could just be banged up bad and need a few months to rest. It will all come out for sure in Spring Training…

  32. djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    Umps losing track of the count reminded me of this infamous gaffe:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/26/sports/la-sp-0927-nfl-bad-call-la-20120927

  33. Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Just out of curiosity, and I am one lazy MF, who was the last team to win back to back WS?

    • alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:05 pm

      Irish Kev,
      Believe it was the Damm Yankess winning back to back in 1999-2000..

  34. chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    Holy shit…and Hudson makes it back to back! Fuck yeah!

  35. alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    And who’s bashing Hudson??
    Back to Back Blanco& Hudson!!
    Hudson& Vogs making a last ditch effort to ketch the Bumster..

    • Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:39 pm

      That would be me, bashing old dudes. Ha ha

  36. alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Sure glad to have Panik back smoking the ball.
    Now Mr.Clutch, the Duffster knocking him in and the pitcher out.

  37. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    Irish Kevin,
    I moved my mom, 98, up here (Upstate NY) from Conn. She is relatively healthy and independent but at a “facility.” Even with all that, I find the whole thing daunting at times. And very taxing and tiring. So, I get it. Hang in there. All best.

    • chipower9 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:37 pm

      Wishing you and your mom the best, Pawlie.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        Thanks. All things considered, nothing whatsoever to really complain about. Grateful. Tho’ it is simply painful to peak into her little fridge and see an empty butter dish and a cream cheese container completely empty. Hey, could be a LOT worse.

  38. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    Baseball. Go figure. Huddy homers. Matt Williams makes the exact wrong moves, bails out Matt Harvey.

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      I predict within that within 10 years everyone on Earth will be named Matt or Brandon…

  39. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    I already miss Silvino Bracho. Sounds like an opera star from Milan.

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:46 pm

      What does Socrates Brito do for you? What if that was Tommy John’s name? Would everybody be having Socrates Brito surgery?

      • alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:57 pm

        Socrates Brito???
        Wasn’t he the gimp guy in Usual Suspects?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:58 pm

        I love the name Socrates Brito….if you happen to be talking about Greece’s next finance minister. Tommy John arguably should be in the HOF. With his own name. Or Frank Jobe’s. (Didn’t we all discuss this just last week?)

  40. Macdog said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    At least they chased Anderson.

  41. alleykat69 said, on September 8, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    Just a thought, but if that’s my 1st major league hit that bounced 30 ft in the air off home plate like Brito’s I would burn it inside a KFC bucket as part of a Cerranto sacrifice…

  42. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    Some big comebacks and near-combacks on the out-of-town scoreboard.

  43. Carstie Clausen said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    Jeeze, caught the first inning or so while cutting up an onion, a couple types of peppers, a bunch of tomatillos, an apple and worked them into the Griswold #10 atop the wood cookstove. Dashed in some paisano and a bit of curry powder and let it stew for awhile. Then it gets a nice centercut smoked porkchop from a local butcher and it stews again. Next comes some water and a diddle of egg-noodles. Finish the dish with the pussies getting tidbits. Back to the puter and whaaat? Giants score 5 in the third with one very unlikely suspect getting one of the two taters.

    Is this team schizoid, or what?

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:23 pm

      Your dinner could’ve used a tater or two…

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:35 pm

      *a diddle of egg noodles….*

  44. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    I get annoyed the way “rally” is used now by writers and announcers. It USED TO mean coming from behind; now it means “scoring runs, especially in clumps, whether you are ahead, tied, or behind.”

    • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:21 pm

      Feb-u-ary must make you suicidal…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        hahahaha for lack of sun, if nothing else. One year, Syracuse recorded something like 5 days with sunlight in all of Febr….

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        out here we never even know when Feb hits. It’s a dull lead into Spring that never really gets noticed till July 4th.

  45. Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    just watched some different video of Timmy over the last couple of years. He pushed down on his right hip a lot. I remember noticing that at the time but forgot about it till I saw these videos.

  46. Paul Sorensen said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    Pawlie, I get your angst about hoping to hell the Giants don’t start a slide ala Philly (whose slide actually began with the G’s beating them in the NLCS in 2010). I’d say there’s just one big difference: Giants have Sabevans. Phils have had Ruin Tomorrow. Which is exactly what he did. Not going to happen in SF. 4-in-7. As for all Flappers dealing with parental care issues, good luck, keep smiling… that’s the main reason I’m going back to the US for a few weeks in Oct, to pack up my Mom (after my Dad died in April) and move her into an apartment. She’s 85 and still mostly ok… mostly. It’ll be the first time she hasn’t lived in a house since…. um… ever? Might’ve lived in an apartment in the Bronx as a very young girl, but it’s been houses all the way for her. Now, how to get 80-some years of stuff in a big house down to a 1-bedroom apartment…

    Craig, looks like Giants won’t be in the post-season, but I would still welcome a little pub get-together among Flappers in the Bay Area, eat a little chow, down a little brew, and root for whoever happens to still be playing (especially against LA). 2nd week of October…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm

      Dennis Z. is making a maiden voyage to SF for the LA series. I’ll try to connect him with some of y’all….. CLARIFICATION: I ain’t wanting or suggesting a Phillies-ish spiral. Just sharing my most doomer-dread nighmare, that’s all. (Something any Phillies fan would understand for sure ……..)

      • Paul Sorensen said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        Understood, Pawlie. Occasionally we get caught in an undertow of angst, knowing (hopefully) full well it’s not really going to drag us out to sea….

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:29 pm

      absolutely.

    • Macdog said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:44 pm

      Not sure the Phils’ slide began with the NLCS loss in 2010. Phils won MLB-best 102 games in 2011, then won Game 1 vs. Cards in NLCS and led 4-0 in Game 2 when Cards rallied (like that, PK?) against Cliff Lee to win the game and went on to win the series. Phils haven’t been the same since.

    • chipower9 said, on September 9, 2015 at 7:42 am

      Count me in for a Flapper get-together Paul. Best of luck to you and yours re: your mom’s transition.

  47. xoot said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Adrianza quietly inserted for Crawford and all the beat writers can tweet is “uh oh” Ehire did do a good job tagging Perralta out at 3B, no bouncing helmet to distract.

  48. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    Um. Why is 000 in there? I wonder / thought Craw got hit in the shin, not the calf. If so, that could hurt for weeks.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:25 pm

      got hit days ago….was it the 14 inn game?

      • djloo27 said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        Adrianza’s actually a better hitter right now than 4 for 44 Crawford…

  49. Paul Sorensen said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Speaking of slight angst: if I’m feeling any at all, and I’m really not, about this September demise, it’s more about Bochy and how it *seems* we’ve had more Flap comments this season about some head-scratching moves. Hoping the Big Headed Bruce is not losing his touch….

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      I stand by Bruce (ISBB). As James might put it, the head-scratching moves (HSMs) were all there before. But winning cures all — or creates convenient amnesia. (You can tell I was a technical editor [YCTIWATE]).

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      he’s always been at his best in the post season and I don’t think that’s arguable. Whether it’s been luck or skill his game rises to the top of the tip top in the PS. Not sure why. But I’ll take his best during that time and not sweat the few bad moves across 162. That probably has more to do with normal regression since it’s so many games than anything else.
      Why are you going to be in the area?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        Not me. Dennis, the fellow whose wife died shortly after WS2014.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:35 pm

        Though, heck, if I miraculously scored some sort of book advance, even a modest one, whatthehey.

      • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        no idea what you’re talking about PK, I was talking about Bochy.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:58 pm

        at 8:32 you said
        why are you going to be in the area?
        i was replying to that

  50. pawliekokonuts said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Dear Halos: A little help, s.v.p.

  51. Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    not surprising, this is exactly what I said would happen. Called the Panik DL too.
    Alex Pavlovic ‏@AlexPavlovic 1m1 minute ago
    Crawford has tightness in left calf and left oblique. Those are the two injuries that cost him games.

    • Flavor said, on September 8, 2015 at 8:47 pm

      Flavor said, on August 26, 2015 at 5:31 pm (Edit)
      I don’t believe for a second that Craw is only gonna be out a couple of days. He might try to play through it and then get shut down like Panik

    • snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:31 pm

      More 000 action looks in the cards.
      Seriously. There is NOBODY else that can play SS in this entire freekin organization?
      Oy vey…

      • chipower9 said, on September 9, 2015 at 7:47 am

        Tomlinson’s natural position in SS. So, as long as Panik is in there, and Craw cannot go, then put Tomlinson in there, and let Agent Zero ride the fucking pine.

  52. xoot said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    I didn’t see as many good tweeter or FB quips as I expected after Socrates Brito appeared. Somebody did say he/she preferred Plato Tacos. But no jabs at Aristotle or Pythagoras, much less Heraclitus, who, according to legend, slathered himself in cow shit to cure some ailment or other, stretched out in the noon day sun, and then whispered, You can’t step in the same river twice. Hell, you can’t even step in the same river once. Heraclitus Darko. Now that would be a name.

  53. Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    Nice drive/HR by Panik.

  54. Bozo said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Hell of a game. Put it in the Win column.

  55. Irish Kevin said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    Thanks for all the words for my mom, yeah Pawlie she mentally there but can hardly get around much. She helped me grow up, so I will stand by her while she grows old. Love my mom!

    • snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:52 pm

      Last half dozen years or so of her life my mom had worsening dementia.
      Last few years she didn’t know who I was, among other things that went on.
      Hang in there Kev, I echo your attitude, that is just what you do. And, it’s nobody’s fault.
      I’m with you…

  56. snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    000 now hitting .156 with 102 PAs this season.
    Over his last 41 ABs for the last 28 days, he’s hitting a sparkling .073…

  57. xoot said, on September 8, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    Giants got hit with the random drug test tonight after the game, according to the beat writers. Hudson’s selection to join the group spurred the notes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any writer report on an actual test before. It’s a fairly surprising event, governed by strict procedures set out in the joint drug agreement (as they call it). Personally, I think the list of teams tested every game should be a daily footnote in BBRef.

  58. Paul Sorensen said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    Craig, just in case your “why will you be in the area?” was for me and not for Pawlie: My once (sometimes twice) a year visits to the US usually include 2 stops: east coast to visit my family (NJ/PA, although soon when my Mom moves, only NJ), and Bay Area. SF is still “home” to me; my legal US address is Sonoma, where I rent a room in a friend’s house just to keep stuff there and have a legal address. If I didn’t have family back east, honestly, I would never go back there. I would love to spend all of my US time in Cali…. πŸ™‚ Anyway, this trip, 2 weeks east, then 1 week in the Bay Area, Oct. 9 to 16. If we’re thinking a pubalooza and it must be on the Peninsula ’cause that’s where more Flappers are, I could do that… might just book a cheap motel room for that night so I wouldn’t have to drive back to Sonomaland. In the city, fine too. Hot Springs with nude babes in the hills, fine too. On we go.

  59. snarkk said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    Saw the highlights of the Mets comeback in DC — down 7-1, they came back to win 8-7. Awesome comeback. Sheez, I want Cespedes. That looks like the coup de grace for the Nats. Boy, can Matty Williams survive this offseason?…

    • zumiee said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:23 pm

      That A’s trade of Cepedes last season was insane, and it ruined their season.

  60. zumiee said, on September 8, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    Author Tim Powers posted this today. Pretty cool story. He was friends with Philip K. Dick.

    “I recall that I was present when Philip K. Dick proposed to Tessa, the woman who was to become his fifth and last wife — and I inadvertently messed it up.
    On a summer day in 1972, a bunch of us had gone to Disneyland, and we all agreed to wander where we liked but all meet up again at 4 o’clock at the Carnation sidewalk cafΓ© on Main Street. Tess and Phil and I arrived there first, and ordered hamburgers, and when we were done, Phil turned to Tess and said, “Tessa, will you marry me?”
    I just thought, Oh God, I don’t belong here; so I took the neglected pickle from Phil’s plate and shifted my chair around to eat the pickle and look away down Main Street.
    Tess had opened her mouth to answer, but Phil held up his hand; and he said, “Powers, what are you doing with my pickle?”
    “Well,” I said, “you were finished.”
    “I was _not_ finished,” he said, “I was saving the pickle for last.”
    I held it out. “Okay, here.”
    “I don’t want it now that you’ve been gumming it.” (Tess still had not had a chance to answer.)
    So I said, “I’ll get the waitress to bring you another.”
    No,” Phil said, “I don’t want to bother the waitress about it; I just want you to understand that you should _ask_ people before you go taking things off their plates!”
    Sorry, sorry, jeez — and by this time the rest of our party had ambled up, and we stood up and the conversation shifted to other things. Evidently he found an opportunity later, when I wasn’t around, to try it again.”

    • snarkk said, on September 9, 2015 at 12:33 am

      Bladerunner was adapted from one of his books — Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I didn’t read the book, and I understand the movie wasn’t that close to following the book, but the Deckard hero and his search for androids was part of it. Whatever — on my top 10 movie list. The visuals and set design and production design were ahead of their time — all without much computer help in those days. The Vangelis soundtrack is brilliant — set a benchmark for the developing new age and space music genres. Harrison Ford does a nice job as Deckard. Ridley Scott was on a roll with Alien, then this movie…

      • zumiee said, on September 9, 2015 at 12:51 am

        There are substantial differences between the book and the movie, but the movie got the essence of the book correct. As technology keeps advancing, what does it mean to be human?
        A human now must have a smart-phone attached to themselves 24/7, apparently. I saw someone the other day in a grocery store typing very rapidly on a smart phone using both thumbs, and I found it pretty depressing.

  61. zumiee said, on September 9, 2015 at 12:21 am

    I met Tim Powers briefly at a science fiction/fantasy convention in Long Beach, in the late 1990s. The convention was being held on the Queen Mary, so that seemed pretty cool to me. My dad had gone to England during WWII on the Queen Mary. The ship has now been converted to a hotel, and I was standing in what passes as the main lobby, and a guy saw that I had a convention program in my hand, and walked up to me and said: “Do you know where Tim Powers is supposed to be right now?” He looked vaguely familiar, and I asked: “Are YOU Tim Powers?” He said yes, he was very friendly, and we chatted a moment, but I also was scanning the program, and sure enough, he needed to get to a panel that was starting pretty soon. I felt a little awkward in that I had never read any of his stuff. Eventually, I did, and enjoyed his writing a lot.

    Recently he posted about how he met his wife:

    “Incidentally, speaking of Laser Books, they not only published my first couple of books, but introduced me to my wife.
    I’ve always thought that the main reason to write fiction is not to call attention to injustices or paint a picture of one’s time or educate one’s readers — those are all fine things to do, if you want to do them, but the _main_ reason is to show off.
    In 1978 I was working at a Tinder Box tobacco shop, and this very pretty girl named Serena who worked at a nearby jewelry store would come in to buy cigars for her boss, and I wanted a way to get talking to her; so I brought in copies of my two Laser books, and the next time she came in, I said something like, “Oh, by the way, I’ve written these books, and I just happen to have copies here, would you like to have them?” Or something like that.
    She took them and looked at the covers, and then looked at me and said, “You know Kelly Freas?”
    Well! In fact I had not yet met Freas, but I knew of his work in Mad magazine and on the covers of dozens of science fiction books and magazines — and this girl knew who he was!
    So I said, “Sure I know him!”
    Unknown to me, Freas had done the cover painting for a Queen album, _News of the World_ — a version of his famous mournful-robot-holding-the-crushed-human picture — and Serena was a passionate Queen fan, and so had of course noted the artist’s name. And her first thought was, Here’s somebody who knows somebody who knows Freddie Mercury.
    But we didn’t immediately compare notes, and about a year and a half later we were married.
    Laser Books was in many ways a substandard publisher — they paid poorly, had office staff rewrite scenes in manuscripts, ignored proof corrections, and above all made sure that each book was exactly 192 pages long, so that the right number of copies would fit in the standard shipping carton — but God knows where I’d be today if K. W. Jeter hadn’t pointed me at them!”

    • pawliekokonuts said, on September 9, 2015 at 9:32 am

      My son is a big Tim Powers fan, introduced me to his novels.


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