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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 12, 2015

Chris Davis….Cespedes……J-Hey…..the names fly around but will anything come of it?

Wake me up when something happens…..

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  1. willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Salaries for all the big names as reported on Heyman’s rundown are an eye opener.
    JZim 5 for $115, Leake 5 for $75, Greinke more than that. He told LA they can keep $70 mil for 3 yrs.

    Cespedes and Heyward at north of $150 mil, J UP right behind them. It’s not like SF can’t afford it tho and they had big offers out there last year. They paid Cain and Lincy $35 mil last year alone for almost nothing. All of above can play and quite well.

    Just reminds me of playing cards with buddies and all of a sudden there’s a big raise…”The price of poker just went up.”

  2. zumiee said, on November 12, 2015 at 7:22 am

    Supposedly the Braves and Dodgers are having talks. The rumor is a big trade involving Simmons and Puig.

  3. ewisco said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:36 am

    it’s not the money so much as the years. I sort of loved someone’s thought of throwing 5 yr money but for only 3 years. of course that significantly raises the $/yr bar. but it’s not my money so I pretty much don’t care.

  4. snarkk said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:37 am

    Doghairs improve by getting rid of Puig. The guy is a team chemistry irritant. He might be better in a town with fewer distractions…

  5. snarkk said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:42 am

    IMO the Giants need to get some kind of kick ass hitting outfielder. Add that to a hopefully rejuvenated Pence, and you can afford to have the third outfielder be good defensively, but maybe light hitting. Blanco can be the 5th guy, not the platoon 3rd guy. The infield is solid, time to upgrade the outfield. Add 2 starting arms from inside or out, and you’ve got the mix needed. Easier said than done, but come on, this team has a mountain of cash, and is a money making machine. It can’t be money that’s a hindrance to putting together another playoff team. It’s selecting the right players to add. They’ve done it, they can do it again. I say no to high flyers like Greinke, and to bottom feeders like Leake, who impressed me not at all. Go get an arm costing in between…

  6. chipower9 said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:57 am

    Busy day yesterday…happy belated Veterans Day to all the Flapper vets out there.

    We can talk about all the money this team has until the cows come home (and yes, they have a boatload of cash), but I believe them when they say they will NOT go over the luxury threshold this year. That said, there will be limitations on what is spent.

    Needs = starter, or two and a LFer, and possibly a bullpen arm (but I think that can be filled internally).

  7. zumiee said, on November 12, 2015 at 9:18 am

    It’s funny, the song and dance the MLB Network interviewers go through with the GMs they’re interviewing at the meetings. The GMs’ goal in the interviews is to say a whole lot of nothing, and the interviewers goal is to defeat that strategy. The Padre GM this morning looked like he would rather be having a root canal than be on the Hot Stove show.

  8. xoot said, on November 12, 2015 at 9:33 am

    Saw blurb about Atlanta trying to shop Simmons to the Mets for one of the flamethrowers. As to Puig, can you imagine Pierzynski and Yasiel in the same clubhouse, the same dugout? It would be entertaining tv, I suspect.

  9. Macdog said, on November 12, 2015 at 10:27 am

    I thought it was kind of funny that the Dodgers want a guy named Puig to lose some weight.

  10. willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 10:41 am

    ? for Blade: like to hear you elaborate on your thoughts on value of Heyward (from last thread post) and what type of numbers you think he could put up for SF.

    Kind of like a Greinke deal, signing him away would be serious body blow to Cards who have already had rough off season.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 12, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      Willie, I’m at breakfast in Bangkok – with my smartphone. Consequently, I am just about useless, insofar as typing on these things. So, a quick search found this blurb, which totally captures my feelings about the J Hey kid. It also partially addresses what Giants54 wrote about his contract demands . . .

      “Heyward is just 26 (he doesn’t turn 27 till next August), so he could play this offseason almost any way he wants it: Go for a 10-year deal with an opt out after five or six years that might allow him to test the market again while he’s still relatively young, or lock down with a seven-year deal that still carries him only to 33. What he lacks in offensive production thus far he makes up for with a combination of potential and pure defensive superiority. He is likely the best right fielder in the game, and his athletic ability makes him an intriguing possibility as a center fielder – at least part time. There are mysteries here: Why did he walk 91 times as a 20-year-old rookie, but then never top 67 walks in his next five seasons? Why did he crack 27 homers in 2012 and then follow that with just 38 homers in the next three seasons combined? But the combination of Heyward’s outstanding base running and defense, plus the notion that at his age he could still be developing as a hitter, make him the bet to land the offseason’s largest contract for a position player.”

  11. chipower9 said, on November 12, 2015 at 11:08 am

    Just read where Patrick Wilis is considering a comeback with the Niners for next year. He will be 31 in January. Thoughts?

    • snarkk said, on November 12, 2015 at 11:26 am

      If he comes back on condition they get a new GM and coaching staff then great…

    • snarkk said, on November 12, 2015 at 11:35 am

      Just saw via Maiocco that Willis this morning personally debunked the coming back rumor — it’s not happening…

      • chipower9 said, on November 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        Yep…just saw that too. Not sure how the national story got started…slow news day and someone trying to stir the pot, I suppose..

  12. snarkk said, on November 12, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Isn’t Heyward a LHB? Why add lefty power that gets eaten alive at ATT? Add righty power in the outfield, there is plent of lefty lumber in the current roster for LU balance…

    • willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 12:01 pm

      Yes, 13 HRs for the Cards last season, 1 year high of 27 for Braves few years ago.
      .800 OPS guy, high OB .430-ish slugging, lot of doubles last year (33 I think).

      Makes you thankful SF got Pence signed for what, 5 at $75.
      Nowadays he could double that.

  13. giants54 said, on November 12, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    Heyward will get at least 8 years…Giants haven’t won’t even think about that nonsense. Or Davis at $150m. Or Cespoole @125M.
    You can expect a Maybin type. This Hicks guy the Yanks picked up is about right. They are trading for this OFer, , so those hoping for a big FA buy are deluding themselves. The big buy will be for one SP.

    • djloo27 said, on November 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      $125M would be chump change for Cesspool (like the nickname, already!)
      They’d be nuts not to jump on him at that price.

  14. alleykat69 said, on November 12, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    Jason Heyward was in the same draft class of some guy named Bumgarner..
    Guess the Giants at their scouts knew something ( cause they can never draft a quality Out fielder anyway)picking “The Undertaker” 10th while the Braves grabbed Heyward at 14th..

  15. djloo27 said, on November 12, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Giants are due to make a big splash in the FA market – regardless of prior failures.
    My first rule of gambling is that you can’t be afraid to lose.

    • chipower9 said, on November 12, 2015 at 1:16 pm

      No balls…No blue chips…

      Roll those dice..

  16. willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    If you click on Heyward’s name over at F/G there is a long article written about judging his value compared to what other players in past have already
    done at his age and what to expect going forward. F/G mentioned him as part of the larger plans Dodgers might have to rid themselves of Puig in order to free up RF for Heyward.

    Consensus (tho not unanimous) is $200 mil might be a bargain given tools involved, 4 out of 5 (power).

    • blade3colorado said, on November 12, 2015 at 6:11 pm

      Willie, excellent column on J-Hey. The author’s in depth, quantitative evaluation is outstanding – determining where Heyward stands now amongst today’s and yesterday’s players; as well as projecting where he might end up by the end of his career. As you indicated – the author thinks minimally he is worth a $159 million contract (if he only performs as he has), with the outward projection of $200 plus and beyond.

  17. Flavor said, on November 12, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    I am 100% off J-hey. He has minimal power and, as Snarkk said, what power he does have would be diminished at att

  18. zumiee said, on November 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    3 Silver Slugger Winners!! Very cool. Posey, Craw, and MadBum.

    • zumiee said, on November 12, 2015 at 4:09 pm

      Posey also won a little-known Wilson award, for Best Defensive catcher, which is a nice feather in his cap, and I’m sure greatly appreciated by Posey, to get an award for his defensive work.

  19. unca_chuck said, on November 12, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    $200 mill for Heywired? I’d take Ceepdes at $125 mill in a nanosecond.

    • chipower9 said, on November 13, 2015 at 7:09 am

      I would take Cespedes at 145/150 over J Hey and whatever he wants/demands. Cespede’s RH power plays perfectly into the layout of our yard. Heyward as a LH hitter, does not. Like Flavor, I am totally off Heyward.

  20. zumiee said, on November 12, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    The Angels got Simmons from the Braves, for the Angels’ top two pitching prospects.
    The Dodgers strike out on that deal.
    Speaking of strikeout….no Silver Slugger winners for the Dodgers. (Sad trombone.) 🙂

  21. Paul Sorensen said, on November 12, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    I wonder if there would be any way to exactly and directly correlate a team’s off-season action (did the team get exactly what it wanted in the off season?) with its final result the next season (post-season, World Series). Last year’s off season, Giants *wanted* the high-priced likes of Lester, Sandoval, and… I feel like there was another high-end pitcher in there too… but got none of them. And, they didn’t make the playoffs the following season. I think most of us are glad they didn’t get any of those players, but just thinking here about a team’s plan matching up with the results. I’m trying to remember after 2010… did the G’s get exactly what they wanted? How about 2011? and 2012 and 2013? This year? I’m thinking they are going to do very well getting what they want (and I know they’re talking about Greinke but I’m not sure how much they really *want* the guy). GMs must plan… that’s probably the biggest part of their jobs. I’d be curious to see how well most plans actually turn out, or do teams sometimes win with a good degree of luck and winging it….

  22. Paul Sorensen said, on November 12, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    And, San Diego comes to mind last year. They seemingly got what they wanted last year in the off season, but look what happened…..

    • chipower9 said, on November 13, 2015 at 8:14 am


  23. willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    Without going into details about value of Heyward, the idea that HRs are so important I think is bunk.

    The Giants scored 30 more runs last year, even missing Pence for significant part of the season.
    Last year they hit more doubles, had better OB OPS and BA compared to rest of the league than year before…and hit a total of 4 more HRs, which ranked them 12th in NL. So unless those were 7 run HRs, they didn’t help the team score more runs as much as the other factors did.

    And scoring runs, not splash hits, is the single most important part of offense.

    • djloo27 said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:13 pm

      I guess the sight of some clown in a kayak chasing a floating ball with a net doesn’t do it for you…

      • willedav said, on November 12, 2015 at 8:50 pm

        Giants are always showing people on boats out there, part of the attraction of the yard.

        Another part of the yard factor at ATT tho is I don’t think you need a Nelson Cruz type hitting 40 HRs to score runs and win.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 12, 2015 at 9:16 pm

      Down with what you said Willie.Two of three WS seasons were determined by Conga Line hitting, not bombs. Timely hitting is the ticket at the phone park or as James would say – OPS and OBP.

  24. xoot said, on November 12, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    Back down to earth for a moment, how do the Giants deal with Crawford and Belt and arbitration? The total money won’t impact the FA signings. But the Giants could offer Craw a long term deal. They sure as shit won’t offer Belt one, will they?

  25. blade3colorado said, on November 13, 2015 at 3:09 am

    If Belt’s concussion symptoms persist, he’s gone in my opinion. Actually, I think he might be gone even if he is given a clean bill of health. Should the latter situation occur, the Giants might be able to deal him for something comparable to his (perceived) value in return. This is his 3rd concussion and I personally, think he is finished. Consequently, I would like the Giants to move on and get a replacement if at all possible.

    • sfsarge said, on November 13, 2015 at 5:54 am

      Yeah, I’m with you. Like Craig said last week, we should be really concerned with Belt still dealing with concussion symptoms months after his third one. I think that even if he is given a clean bill of health he won’t be worth much, teams will be wary of touching someone like that.

  26. chipower9 said, on November 13, 2015 at 7:07 am

    .268, .353, .431, .784, while averaging 19 HRs and 68 RBI per year.

    With that said, I could give a flying fuck about J Hey’s “potential.” With those numbers compounded with the coin and number of years he will command…FUCK THAT.

    Spend the money elsewhere…

  27. zumiee said, on November 13, 2015 at 7:26 am

    Paul, the “planning or good fortune?” question is a good one to ponder. Every team needs good breaks to win it all. Sabean got way more out of some guys than the baseball world could have expected. He crapped out on McG; but overall, Sabean’s batting average has been good.

  28. chipower9 said, on November 13, 2015 at 8:19 am

    Good question by Paul at 7:30 last night.

    Plans are only part of it. You have to “execute” the plan, too, and to do so, you need the “right” people (like Bochy, Rags, BamBam, etc.). GM’s and scouts determine the plan and provide the resources. The coaching staff then has to get the players to buy into the plan and get the most out of each and every player. The Padres and Bums have failed at this. Sure, the bums won back-to-back NL West pennants, but their goal was to win it all. I am sure they would trade all of their individual awards and post-season appearances for a world series win.

    I think it is a combination of a good plan, executing the plan, and certainly a fair amount of luck.

    • zumiee said, on November 13, 2015 at 8:29 am

      Well said.

      I think one of the keys, for Sabean, was that at the end of the Bonds era, he began to tailor the team more fully for its home ballpark.

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