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Shelby Miller

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 19, 2015

Giants in on Shelby Miller? Fine, as long as he doesn’t cost too much. he’s definitely a *buy high* guy with an xFip more than a full point above his actual ERA.

But he’d definitely be able to stabilize a slot in the rotation…….

If you’re Freddy Freeman and you’ve been told you aren’t getting traded under any circumstance that’s gotta bum you out a little, right? To be the only guy left behind on that sinking ship?


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  1. Cardinal70 said, on November 19, 2015 at 9:33 am

    Shelby always was talented in St. Louis, but never quite put it together. Not having looked at his underlying numbers this year, I thought the difference might have been in team pitching philosophy.

    My feeling is, out in PNC with the instruction he’d likely get, he’d be a strong contributor.

  2. djloo27 said, on November 19, 2015 at 9:40 am

    The only Shelby I ever met was my neighbor’s beagle…

  3. Macdog said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:13 am

    If they get him, we’d have Kelby and Shelby.

  4. Flavor said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Random fact for the day: Steph Curry is tied for 37th on the all time 3 point list with…..Cliff Robinson.

  5. Carstie Clausen said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:21 am

    Braves are all in on young pitching. So we talk Beede and at least one more starting prospect plus maybe a reliever prospect and either an outfielder or catcher. That combo (roughly) would tempt Atlanta. Jose Fernandez from the Marlins might actually come a bit cheaper ~ knowing the Miami M.O.

  6. gianthead said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:24 am

    Shelby as second option after Greinke

  7. chipower9 said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:36 am

    I am not sure why the Braves want to deal Miller, or what they want in return. Dude just turned 25 in Oct. and made 535k last year. He has three more years of arb before becoming FA-eligible in 2019.

    He did have a fall-off last year, but I think that is more from pitching for the Braves (and the eight they put on the field behind him) than on his abilities/talent.

    So, if this is legit, I am tentatively down with a deal, depending on exactly what the Braves want in return.

  8. chipower9 said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:37 am

    Carry over from the end of the last thread…

    What do you Flappers think about the NL Cy voting/outcome?

    • willedav said, on November 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm

      Greinke was the more consistently good all year, but Arrieta was just unhittable in second half, coinciding with Cubs ascendance into playoffs. Kershaw pitched in tough luck early season but wasn’t quite as good as either.
      I’d have probably voted Greinke as more deserving for full season of excellence; Arrieta was 10-5 at half way point before going 12-1 or something later. Also Arrieta K’d more guys, so he seemed more dominant in games you watched.

  9. chipower9 said, on November 19, 2015 at 11:04 am

    Here is a piece from MLBTRs on the potential deal for Miller…


  10. zumiee said, on November 19, 2015 at 11:54 am

    “What does Flap Universe think of the NL Cy Young voting/winner?”

    Chi, I like the choice, and not just because it knocks out two Dodgers from the award. 🙂 His season had a little more ‘wow’ to it, than Greinke and Kershaw, IMO. There were many games where his stuff looked like the best in the big leagues. And, of course, he no-hit the Dodgers, which earns him even more points.
    MadBum finished 5th in the voting, which is cool. Bum puts together very solid regular seasons, and of course, dominates in the playoffs. Let’s get that big guy back to the playoffs!

  11. chipower9 said, on November 19, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    Thanks, Zumiee. Even though he was a hated bumbino, I think Greinke got jobbed. His and Arrieta’s numbers are VERY close, but in almost every category, Greinke was better:

    Greinke – 32
    Arriata – 33

    Greinke – 222.2
    Arriata – 229

    Win Percentage:
    Greinke – .786
    Arriata – .864

    Greinke – 1.66
    Arriata – 1.77

    Greinke – 0.844
    Arriata – 0.865

    Greinke – 5.00
    Arriata – 4.92

    Yes…very close in almost every stat there, but in almost every one of them, Greinke’s numbers were better.

    With this all said, I was more than mildly surprised when the announcement was made. I thought for sure that Grienke would win it.

  12. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    The Braves wanted AJ Pollock from the D-Backs for Shelby Cobra. The D’backs quickly said fuck off.

  13. xoot said, on November 19, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    I thought of Carroll Shelby, too. But Miller’d be a great addition, especially if the Giants sign an ace as well.

    Donaldson as AL mvp, makes sense. I don’t know about Bryce H, but all of the final three in the NL were on teams that missed the PS. I still recall that mid-season moment when Dave Fleming (I believe it was) mentioned during a game that to that point in his mlb career, Harper had never faced a pitcher younger than he was. That probably changed by the end of the season, but still . . . .

    • xoot said, on November 19, 2015 at 5:08 pm

      maybe I should’ve written “so long as they sign an ace as well”

  14. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    Josh Donaldson MVP. Yet another WTF moment for A’s fans.

    • xoot said, on November 19, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      I think many a’s fans are inured, numb to it all. Sonny Gray’s third-place finish in the CY voting didn’t help.

  15. pawliekokonuts said, on November 19, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    Shelby Miller must’ve had one of the all-time most frustrating seasons of futility for a pitcher. Ever. Like Roger Craig with the Mets, and somebody with the Tigers, before they got good again, culminating in ’12 WS appearance WHEN WE SWEPT THEM. I don’t know the stats, but he could’ve sued his team for lack of support, as the old saw goes. I heard the Mets announcers say this summer that the Cardnials gave up on his because he essentially was stubborn, wouldn’t listen, wanted to do things his way. (Did I dream this? Does it make sense?) I’d give him a shot.

  16. Paul Sorensen said, on November 19, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    I was surprised Greinke didn’t win the Cy, that was one helluva season he just had, but yeah, Arrieta was dominant at the end. MVP? I don’t know… I think they should change that award. Make a new one for best offensive player, kind of like a hitter’s Cy Young. Call it the Willie Mays or Ted Williams award. Save the MVP for truly a most valuable player that made the most impact. Harper clearly could be considered the best player in the league, but MVP while playing for a dysfunctional, underperforming team like the Nats just doesn’t seem right to me. And finally, did ya’ll see the call-out of Puig by Andy Van Slyke, apparently quoting Kershaw as saying “get rid of him”? LA really doesn’t seem to know what to do with the guy….

    • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      I’ll take him any day…

    • Paul Sorensen said, on November 19, 2015 at 8:34 pm

      Loo, maybe after we get Cespedes, Yoenis could straighten Puig out… 🙂

      • xoot said, on November 19, 2015 at 8:54 pm

        That might work if the Giants acquired Aroldis too, otherwise — I foresee some problemas.

  17. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Puig? NFW.

  18. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    Cray cray dub game. Down 23 in the 2nd. Down 14 in the 4th. shitloads of turnovers. Down 2 with 3 mins left.

  19. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Dubs will not be “Denied”
    They bring it with tough D,down the Stretch, clutch 3’s, 20-3 run down the stretch,Clippers didn’t know what hit him! Dominating comeback!!

  20. xoot said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    wow. the Dubs v. Clippers tonight was a wild game, with the Clippers using a very smart and strong attack on Curry. But the Dubs fought back, stretching things out to let other players take advantage of opps that developed because of the focus on Curry. And then, finally, Curry took over. The final five minutes of the game were amazing — just amazing. check it out.

  21. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Clips have absolutely no heart.

  22. Macdog said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    I really think the Warriors aren’t going to lose a game.

  23. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    22-5 to close the game out.

    Curry was sloppy as shit for 3.5 quarters

  24. snarkk said, on November 19, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    Dubs are making me take interest in the NBA again. But, only in games THEY play. Most of the rest of the teams I wouldn’t watch if you gave me tickets. Free tickets and an open bar, I’d think about it…

    • chipower9 said, on November 20, 2015 at 7:26 am

      Yep…with the open bar (unlimited)…I may consider, too!

  25. unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Yeah,the Hawks are a fun team to watch. The Spurs as well . In fact the dubs play a Spurs style of offense. Pass pass pass, back door cuts. Course it helps to have the best shooter on the planet. These teams are dragging the NBA game out of the stand around iso offense. Teams as beating that with ball movement.

  26. chipower9 said, on November 20, 2015 at 7:25 am

    Damn – Warriors are ON FIRE!

    I think it was Barkley who said the way to deal with Curry was to beat him up. Well, the Clips tried, and again, to no avail. Curry drops 40 on them and is the man in the fourth Q, again. This team is unreal. When I got home last night it was in the 2nd Q and the Warriors were down 23. Un-fucking-real.

    What is the last NBA team that was as good as the current Warriors? Is there one? I cannot recall a team that plays such unselfish team ball as this current squad. Damn, they are fun to watch…and this is the ONLY team in the NBA about which I will say this. Otherwise, I find the NBA very boring.

    • djloo27 said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:05 am

      Your 1969-1970 New York Knickerbockers…

      • chipower9 said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:29 am

        I faintly remember that team, but it was so long ago, and I did not follow the Knicks. Regardless, I just love the style of ball the current Warriors play. Unselfish ball movement, and it doesn’t matter if you start or come off the bench.

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2015 at 2:41 pm

      I think the mid ’70s Suns were pretty fast, quick, moved the ball, could shoot. That champ series between Suns and Celts in ’76 was unreal. And, the Champ ’77 Blazers moved the ball, but they had Mo Lucas down low to mix it up. Run TMC in the ’90s was a fun squad, but couldn’t shoot like this current team…

  27. willedav said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Good call Loo. Very unselfish, and smart team that played D and rebounded, with multiple scoring options. Warriors when they do that and take of the dang basketball, are very tough. And by now deep in the Clips dome.

    Gotta admit by late 2nd Q I switched over and watched some of Stanford mens game vs. SMU, a good mid major. Wow, Cards have a problem I’m trying to circumlocute that was evident from opening tap—umm, let’s just say they get “out-athleted by opposing teams.

    I can defend Dawkins as a coach but his recruiting, no. He has zero Pac-12 level talent to replace departed Dwight Powell Chasson Randle A Brown and S Nastic other than a PG Marcus Allen.

    • djloo27 said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:20 am

      I can’t prove it, Willedav, but I believe they were the first team to inspire the chant of “DEE-FENSE!” from a crowd…

      • alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:27 am

        Geez I always thought it was the Washington General fans when they were playing the Harlem Globetrotters..

      • willedav said, on November 20, 2015 at 8:46 am

        ball movement over all was just so much better in those days and teams ran set plays to get shots for the scorers–stuff that really worked with multiple options if something got taken away. Knicks had so many guys that could score and play D and understood the game. Teams practiced this stuff from training camp and players (4 yrs of college too) knew what they were doing.
        Now everyone’s idea of offense is high screen and roll and someone dribbling the ball 25 ft from the hoop while everyone else stands and watches.

        That’s the other thing about Clips—while the issue of “heart” I think runs a little north of one of their problems, the other one is they just play dumb basketball at worst possible times. No way they should have lost to Rockets last year and they had GS on ropes, at home last night and fell apart.

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