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Greinke and Zimmerman

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 22, 2015

What would it cost to sign both of those guys? 300 million? More? I have to believe that ZG has quietly watched and appreciated how the Giants conduct their business on and off the field. He has GOT to want to get into a clubhouse like that. But who knows, maybe he doesn’t want that. I know he has his anxiety disorder under control but I think it’s clear that Grienke is a guy who beats to his own drum. Maybe he wouldn’t want a guy like Hunter Pence shoving Kale in his face every 5 seconds.

But man, those 2 guys joining the rotation? Winter is approaching, I might need to write a haiku about it…..

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  1. eddacker said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:35 am

    My thought about Zack moving to the Gmen is this, and a little positive. I wanted us to go after him when he was leaving KC. But the teams he has moved to show a player not afraid to try new territories, ignoring the $ motivations. I say we have a decent chance. What with me not having a clue what all the backstage information is, I hope we get him for the years he has remaining.
    Vote: Why not?
    Question: Will the Giants lose what team cohesiveness they have built going for experienced high end talent at any cost?

  2. Bozo said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:23 am

    The Giants filled the 40 man to protect all their young arms, so they won’t be getting any free agents unless they trade some of those kids. Niagara Falls!

    But, having a rotation of Bum, Zimmerman, Grienke and Who The Fuck Cares III & IV, would be insanely good (or should that be, Godly insane?).

  3. willedav said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:39 am

    I could see one of above, but two highly unlikely and SF better hope they both don’t wind up in LA which still could happen. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Sabes ( and I do think he is still ultimately calling the shots in the meeting room) save his $$$ for now and grab lesser light and hope for best with Peavy Cain Heston and another kid behind Bum and his pen.

    Trusting his farm system has worked out well so far in Panik Duffy Tomlinson Osich Strick. Hope one of the young OFs steps up and the arms mature into ml SPs.

  4. alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:11 am

    Agree about Sabes still holding the choke collar on Evans, Willied..
    They need 2 starters that will get them close to 200 innings every year, so the BP doesn’t get burned out in Aug-Sept. Will they go out and get those guys? Or just their usual dumpster dive approach?
    They talk the talk every year about bringing in a stud pitcher,but talks cheap! I want results..I can handle the truth!!!

    • willedav said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:17 am

      They did allegedly offer $150 mil for Lester and have offer out there on big game lame Shields too.
      I’m just glad both went elsewhere myself.

  5. snarkk said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:12 am

    Wasn’t Greinke the dude that while a FA, said he’d sign with whomever offered him $1 more than the rest?…

  6. willedav said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:14 am

    Realistically, what do you guy think it will take to sign either of above?

    Greinke opted out of 3 more years with ADs for $71 mil, so bidding might start at 5 for $150. Is he the next Maddux that can pitch successfully through mid-30s?

    J Zim is not gonna be cheap either. I saw projection on Leake getting 5 at $75 and J Zim I would think gets more than that. Will he be that much better over course of the deal? Last season Zim had ERA of 3.66, not exactly ace like…blip on the radar or is he good signing at $100 mil?

  7. snarkk said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:18 am

    Seriously, I’d give a couple of these young starting arms a try. If they throw eventually at an ERA of 3.75 or so for a season, or even 2/3 of a season, isn’t that better than paying some guy $18 million to throw the same thing? I think this hiring of starters at non-sensical prices is flat dumb. Lester was OK last year for the Cubs, just OK. Not worth what they paid him, not even close. I’d take some of the dumb starter money, and throw it at an every day player who can drive in runs. Don’t forget, the Giants have to offer pitchers 10% or better MORE than teams in Florida and Texas with no state income tax, and generally 5% or so more than other states that have income tax, but at lower than the top CA rate of 13%. When you get to stratospheric contract numbers, those premiums are not small…

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:13 pm

      Down with what you said. I know everyone overpays, but Giants have been more circumspect than most teams (sans Zito, Rowand, and a couple of others). I would much rather overpay for a hitter vs. a pitcher. Also, I get an I’ll feeling any time the pitcher contract is longer than 3 seasons. That’s just me.

  8. Bozo said, on November 22, 2015 at 10:05 am

    If the Giants are thinking about trading some young arms (and maybe including Arroyo and Brown or Susac) Having some talks with Miami about Fernandez and either Yelich or Dietrich would be time well spent, IMO.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      Love Yelich (OF). Not so much Dietrich – who I believe is an IF and doesn’t make sense in my opinion (unless for another trade afterwards). No interest in Greinke, whom I think shot his wad this year and will begin cratering next year, if not the year afterwards.

  9. alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2015 at 11:02 am

    It’s gonna be a tough call with Arroyo down the line with Brandon locked in for 6 years.
    And with Duffy&Panik some what locked in( though Panik and his iffy back could give the kid a shot at 2nd) he could easily be a trade chip, but I hope he isn’t..He is their 2nd rated prospect with plenty of upside..

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:00 pm

      I see no problem AK. Remember, Craw, Panik, and Duffy were ALL shortstops. In fact, Buster was too. Arroyo is athletic and can be moved anywhere, including the OF I bet.

      • alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:12 pm

        Good point Blade,
        Giants do have a knack of moving players around the infield and OF..
        Only 1 fatal mistake I recall,was when they had Aubrey Huff at 2nd, not one of those shining moments, yikes

      • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2015 at 8:41 am

        Kat – That was an emergency situation when they got caught short-handed (Huff played 2/3 of an inning). Huff was never in the mix to play anything but 1st on a regular basis (regarding the IF).

  10. djloo27 said, on November 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    Zumie highly recommends kale…

    • zumiee said, on November 22, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      It rocks.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      Healthier than spinach according to a vegan friend of mine.

  11. djloo27 said, on November 22, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    Do you Niner fans wish you had Alex Smith back?

    • zumiee said, on November 22, 2015 at 3:01 pm

      No, thanks. The blunder was not drafting Rodgers.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2015 at 4:14 pm

      Gabbert IS Alex.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:56 pm

      At least he has a job.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm

      Yes, I would want Alex back.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:03 pm

        No. On this team he’d be dead. Any and every QB is destined to fail until they address the holes everywhere on the team.

  12. unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    This day is about the lack of defense for the Niners.

    • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2015 at 8:42 am

      Lack of defense and the fact that they can’t tackle for shit. I saw only the highlights (lowlights) from yesterday, and it was amazing how many missed tackles there were. The whole teams sucks balls, beginning with the fucking ownership.

  13. zumiee said, on November 22, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    I’ve started reading Molly Knight’s book about the Dodgers: “The Best Team Money Can Buy.” It’s very well-written and interesting. One of things it does is give details of the full trainwreck of the McCourt ownership years. For a split second, I almost felt sorry for Dodger fans. For a split second.

  14. xoot said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    Schulman reporting via tweeter that the dodgers fired all their international scouts this weekend.

    • Flavor said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      that’s awesome on so many levels.

      • xoot said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm

        actually Schulman tweeted that the bums “just” fired everyone. He was responding to someone else, and not “reporting.” google search shows that the upheaval in the scouting personnel occurred toward the end of the regular season. Still, awesome enough given the number of Cubans they went after and signed.

  15. Flavor said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    dave roberts named the new Dodgers manager. Not really frightened by that…..

    • twinfan1 said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm

      He should do well there, IMO.
      BTW- spent some time on Chuck’s blog today. Very aggressive commentary..

      • Flavor said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:29 pm

        dave roberts could absolutely be successful. There’s just nothing in his history that suggests that’s an imminent threat of happening. I kinda felt the same way about Mattingly, actually….

    • alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      Now if it was Julia Roberts I might get alittle more excited..

    • blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      Me too. Underwhelmed by him . . . Passed over in San Diego and Seattle. Meh.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:18 pm

        He’s been considered to be prime managerial material even when he was still playing- and unlike Donnie, he’s smart.

  16. zumiee said, on November 22, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    The Warriors are scoring so easily against the Nuggets that Jim Barnett sounds kind of bored.

    • djloo27 said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      They’re going crazy for Porzingis in these parts…

      • alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2015 at 6:24 pm

        Kristap Porzingis??
        Is he a porn star??
        Oh wow, no he looks like the second coming of Dolph Lundgren!!

      • Flavor said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        He’s a player. No doubt about it. Match up problem and he can hit an outside shot. Lean but doesn’t seem to need a lot of muscle, in fact it might fuck up his game if he put weight on

      • Macdog said, on November 22, 2015 at 7:46 pm

        While Porzingis does look like a player, these are the same fans who went gaga over Jeremy Lin a few years ago.

      • Flavor said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:09 pm

        Lin was an undrafted walk on free agent pick up. Porzingis was the 4th pick in the draft. Totally different thing, and he’s the real deal……

      • Macdog said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:46 pm

        That was more a dig at Knicks fans, who think the ’69-70 Knicks invented the game.

      • djloo27 said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:57 pm

        Guilty…

      • snarkk said, on November 22, 2015 at 9:42 pm

        Current Dubs would pummel the ’69-’70 Knicks…

  17. snarkk said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    Dubs play Lakers next at Oracle to establish the new record for wins in a row to start the season. It’ll be nice to set that record by absolutely destroying the Lakers. Why Kobe still playing is pathetic. He should just announce before a game at Staples against Lebron or the Spurs that tonight will be his last game, and retire. It’s embarrassing that he’s just collecting checks now — like DeNiro in some “A Fockers Christmas” movie or something…

    • xoot said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:54 pm

      Meet the Fockers had a very deep cast.

      • xoot said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:55 pm

        for a very bad movie

  18. twinfan1 said, on November 22, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    Watching the AZ game- nice to see some old farts running the show.

  19. willedav said, on November 23, 2015 at 7:25 am

    The devolvement of Niners to me underscores how complicated running sports teams has become nowadays,.
    Smith or Kaep isn’t the issue—it’s who is coaching at what positions within the staff, who is drafting, who decides on contracts, who hires whom to do what jobs yada yada. Without going into details, it’s obvious the current Niners have a fail almost everywhere.

    Warriors under new ownership have a good FO who found the right coach who can put together a winning staff, draft and acquire good players and put together a system that works.

    You could say the same for the Giants in most regards.

    The Dodgers? No. Plugging Dave Roberts in there might be a good move but a lot of questions remain about the entire org, from GM on down to scouts and players. Few jobs come with more pressure to win now, and not just your immediate division.

  20. willedav said, on November 23, 2015 at 7:36 am

    Look at what happened last few seasons to Seattle M’s. That GM Z-guy was a supposed genius who hired good people and made fantastic moves in all the right directions. They got close 2 yrs ago, but have let go of the mgr. McLendon, and despite getting a fantastic year out of GH’s guy Nelson Cruz, they were worse 2015 than before. And now they are “going in a different direction.”

    Exhibit B—San Diego Padres, who won the off season and finished an irrelevant 4th in the division last year, and the GM will undoubtedly continue to change deck chairs on their Titanic of a team again.

  21. chipower9 said, on November 23, 2015 at 8:52 am

    I do not see them getting the likes of Zimmerman and Grienke. I somewhat agree with snarkk’s comment from 9:08 yesterday morn. The somewhat comes in that I would not plug all of the holes in the rotation with young ‘uns. I would get at least one starter (at least a 3/4 guy like Leake), or even a Zimmerman, and use the remaining cash to sign a RH OFer with some pop. That said, Zimmerman (because of the salary he will probably command) most likely won’t work if you want to go after a high-profile OFer like Cespedes.

    So, all the talk about the Giants medicos. What about the Niners? Who is the culprit in keeping Kap’s torn labrum under the wraps for so long? Just one more indication of how TOTALLY FUCKED-UP the Niners are right now. This is bordering on the Joe Thomas years.


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