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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 5, 2015

I’m with Snarkk, I don’t want to hear any more nonsense from Giants management about who they are targeting. Hit your damn target, let us know about it after the deal is done…..

College football madness today. I’d love to see Iowa and Stanford win today but I think either happening is a tall order…..

Dubs go for 21 in a row to start the season…..

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  1. zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:07 am

    I really hope we don’t end up with another McG/Aoki/Vogie/Peavy type of off-season again.

  2. willedav said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Definitely time to put Plan B to work, NOW before ADs regroup. Plenty of next tier guys out there.
    I’d spend here because I don’t think a power hitting LF is happening. Best bets would be Cespedes and J Up, and both imo would require significant overpay and just don’t seem like “good Giants” type of guys. No way Alex Gordon is $100 mil player; way too inconsistent, injury history. This guy hit 7th in Royals LU…good player now but not in 3 let alone 5 yrs.

    Heyward, different story–he will do everything you can possibly want (maybe even play CF) except hit HRs. Imo, if you’ve gotta have HRs or else (at 1b or OF), you are ignoring what worked so well last season when SF scored plenty enough and had great offensive stats in every other significant category.

    Great day for college football. Only thing that can help Cards would be NC edging Clemson and Buckeyes struggling. But another W over SC is always a good thing and they would be conference champs.

    Next year this needs to have 8 teams in it tho. FCS does it and starts with 16, this weekend. So finish your conference title games and go all in with top 8. What are these teams like Sooners going to do until January?

  3. blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:39 am

    “Heyward, different story–he will do everything you can possibly want (maybe even play CF) except hit HRs. Imo, if you’ve gotta have HRs or else (at 1b or OF), you are ignoring what worked so well last season when SF scored plenty enough and had great offensive stats in every other significant category.”

    Giants don’t need HRs, as they only did it that way in one of their 3 World Series seasons. I still like Heyward, especially because he is so young, but he wants to get paid. I am way more comfortable giving a position player that type of scratch versus a pitcher. Bring Iwakuma and Alphabet on board – down with that.

    Also, spot on about moving fast. I said this last night after money bags was signed by the Snakes. Sabevans should have been burning the mid-night oil after that signing went down and reported 1-2 players signed this morning. Instead? Pfffttt . . .

  4. wilcojoe said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:42 am

    Agree WillieD, I think we will see it go to 8 teams within the next couple of years…My gripe is why the hell do they have three of the conference title games going on at the same time? Why not play one game Friday night, sat morning, sat midday and sat evening? My remote is going to need new batteries by the end of the night.

  5. Bozo said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:48 am

    So the Giants tried to dupe the Dodgers but got AZ instead. Now we’ll see what the real plan is, and with a packed roster, I’m thinking it’s trading time.

  6. Macdog said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Giants sign Samardzija to 5-year deal.

    • Macdog said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:15 am

      At $90M.

      • wilcojoe said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:25 am

        So we could get like 2 1/5 Smardzija’s for the price of one Greinke? Nice!

  7. Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:59 am

    90 mil for a guy with a career record that’s 14 games under .500? I know he’s shown flashes, but hopefully being on the Giants will help him to become more consistent.

  8. Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:59 am

    I hope they’re still “targeting” Leake.

  9. snarkk said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:15 am

    I’m ok with Samarjxxxx at those terms. Giants need starters. The guy sucked most of last year, but I think his last start he looked very good. So, hopefully they aren’t buying an injury. They keep saying he’s good for long term cuz he’s got low mileage on that arm. Well, I’ve got low mileage on mine, and Nolan Ryan had high mileage on his when he threw his 7th no-no. It’s a good fact, but no guarantee of anything. Now go out and get an outfielder…

  10. blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:18 am

    Funny comment from Fox’s Morosi:

    “Nearly three decades have passed since the Los Angeles Dodgers played in a World Series. Friday, at least they provided their fans with a great moment in actuarial science:

    Turns out, a 36-year-old Zack Greinke is worth $31 million . . . but the 37-year-old version is not. That’s what the Dodgers communicated by offering Greinke, now 32, a five-year contract worth about $155 million, per Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. In total guarantee, the Dodgers fell $51.5 million short of the six-year, $206.5 million deal Greinke ultimately received from the Arizona Diamondbacks”

  11. ewisco said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:27 am

    i’m good with alphabet. i’ve liked him for years and was bummed when the a’s got him. the db’s rotation isn’t much to look at so add zg and get . . . meh.

    we’re off to levi tonight for the game. it will be nice to see the stadium without having to watch the niners.

  12. sandog said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:33 am

    Dodgers lose out on Greinke and we pick up Smarjz?? That’s a great 48 hours in my book–even if we lost out on Greinke as well. Barry in a Marlins uni does bum me out though.

    I hope you guys are all well and having a good off-season.

    Flav–you still got issues with David Shaw????

  13. zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:40 am

    The Shark’s career W/L is a little deceiving because he got Cained a lot, especially in 2014.
    He struggled last season, but the Giants must think it was something in his mechanics they can fix. He could have won 20 games in ’14 with decent run support.

  14. xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:46 am

    . . . rdzija. Get used to it. 🙂 Great move.

    • zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 12:06 pm

      Yeah, at some point I’ll need to learn to spell his name. 🙂

      • Carstie Clausen said, on December 5, 2015 at 3:28 pm

        Just like the U$ gets involved in a lot of wars all over the place so Americans can learn a big of geography, Giants signed Alphabet Souperman so Giants fans could become spelling-bee champs.

  15. alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Plan B seems like the Giants motto for years now after the Zito& Constipation Stance Rowand contracts made them gun shy to pull the trigger on top end F/A..
    However I’m down with signing S’mores (been on board for awhile trying to land him)S’mores who is a fiery competitor who will eat up those 200 innings some good/some bad, but I say more good due to the caverns of ATT where fly balls die in the wind unlike Chicago where they blow out.
    S’mores numbers last year didn’t look great, but then it was the freakin Whitesox’s who’s defense sucked donkey dick.Smores will be end up buying Rolex’s for his infield now with all the runs they will save him …

    • zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      I could see him being a big “change of scenery” guy, getting away from the depressing White Sox.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      Good points AK. Also, Cellular Field has a good park factor, but loses out to the Phone Park in all aspects, except triples. In fact, it’s one of the worst for HRs (8th MLB). Alphabet will do fine.

      I am really cracking up on how the Dodger brain trust really fucked up. Not only Greinke, but made worse by them not signing Hamels before the trade deadline (Rangers made out). This is also compounded by their brain dead move releasing Gordon and eating the $28 million signing bonus of that Cuban kid (forgot his name).

      All this shit, reminds me of them letting Beltre go 11 years ago for want of a couple million dollars more. Dodgers are approaching 10,000 days since their last World Series. Hilarious.

  16. gianthead said, on December 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    The deal of this off-season….

  17. snarkk said, on December 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    So far, its MadBum, SamardzXXXX, Peavy, Heston and ????. I still think they should promote next April the best performing minor league arm in ST to the big club and let the guy pitch for 8-10 starts to see what happens. They must have had SamardzXXXX on speed dial and ready to sign the deal as soon as they heard from Greinke. Would it be they’re playing possum on the Cueto party, and are involved in that? I haven’t heard from the usual Giants local scribes that SF has its hat in that ring, which leads me to think Sabes might actually be in the running. With Greedke going to AZ, the local sports media again shows it knows next to zilch about what is going on with the front office moves…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 1:17 pm

      Cain is the #4 or #5. I still don’t think Heston makes the club out of Spring Training. Certainly not making the club, if he duplicates his second half 4.91 ERA face plant slide from last season.

      • snarkk said, on December 5, 2015 at 1:50 pm

        blade, I’m not counting on Cain for anything. The guy has been near useless for 2 years…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:15 pm

        You think I am? Cain is Exhibit A on why I hate long term contracts for pitchers.

  18. wilcojoe said, on December 5, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    I like the move. I don’t think they are done. They can still get another arm and possibly trade for a bat, all for less money then they would have paid Greinke.

  19. xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    If the guy pitches well I won’t even mind the ND football flashback vids we’ll have to see

    • alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      Lol Xoot so true..
      Also the promo dept will be rolling out “The Mullett Night” at ATT so that should be hilarious..

  20. djloo27 said, on December 5, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    Can’t argue with his consistency.
    He’s lost exactly 13 games for 4 straight years…

  21. djloo27 said, on December 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    Gammons says there is “no market” for Cespedes…

    • Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      Good, then let the G’s grab him.

  22. Carstie Clausen said, on December 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    Alphabet Souperman brings quite the mix to SF. Unless Righetti and Gardner can work some of their magic i do not see the guy as more than a fill-in #2. As a major innings-eater ~ 214 last year was top ten in the Junior League ~ he can pass as a #3 if the coaching and the relocation plus the stability of a $18LM/per, five-year contract in a friendly yard and with a killer infield brings him back on a reasonably steady basis to that high promise he showed for the Cubbies just a couple years back.

    Downsides are that last season for the pale Sux he lead the AL in both hits allowed (check those ratty infielders) and in danged ding-dong dingers as well. Also his nearly .500 ERA is hardly bragworthy. Someone who does depth research should be able to paint a statistical probability factory on the dude.

    We’ll See if SF fans pick up the Chi-town mantra of calling him “Shark”. The one thing we do know is that he appears to be quite durable and will chew up those innings and perform with a pretty decent K-BB ratio.

  23. Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Well, most here seem positive on the guy and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Look how Vogelsong worked out after his career appeared to be dead in the water. But his career numbers are nothing to brag about, as Carstie pointed out.

    If there’s no market for Cespedes, I hope the Giants snap him up. He’s a good player with a ton of pop and RBI potential. He’d fill a big hole in LF, or center if Angel can’t go.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on December 5, 2015 at 4:31 pm

      Word on the street is that SF is in hot, hard and heavy on Ben Zobrist. Modest to moderate power but the dude is a doubles machine. When it comes to rallies, except for a three-run dinger or a salami late in the game in a close one, doubles are often more devastating than taters as a HR can end a rally while two or three doubles coupled with singles and walks can keep that Conga Line a movin. Not that i’d be negative about Cespedes ~ more that Zobrist would closely mesh into the death of a thousand cuts the Giants seem to have developed.

      • xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 4:34 pm

        Zobrist was the only bright spot for the a’s in a game I saw them lose at China Basin last summer. The show started in BP and continued throughout the game. The guy is a great all around player.

      • Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:39 pm

        I agree stix. Obviously I knew of Zobrist prior to last season’s playoffs but his performance then was phenomenal. Doubles are devastating, especially when you hit them at the clip he does. He would be a better fit for the Giants, if only for his versatility. The dude can hit.

  24. Carstie Clausen said, on December 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    Thanx for Sharing Sullivan’s insights on Fangraph, Xoot. Good writer, good analyst and very well informed ~ particularly on the probability of Righetti being Alphabet Souperman’s ideal fixer. Only piece of analysis he missed was a second probability ~ the Buster factor. Last season’s Pale Sux catcher was pretty much a disaster and obviously was not calling a good game. Posey, on the other hand, is now almost unarguably the best overall receiver in the game and part of that complete makeup is his game-calling smarts.

    Sullivan painted the presumably Polish pill presenter as having declined from ’14-15 due to primarily mechanical issues and not physical problems. No injuries, no arm or elbow problems and apparently no psychological issues. Also no reduction in velocity are in movement. It is not at all inconceivable that the combination of Righetti, Gardner and Posey can turn the pumpkin back into a gilded coach once again. As long as that reformed punkin is painted in team colors, orange and black, the even year Halloween Machine may have gained a key cog for a big comeback.

  25. blade3colorado said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    Regarding salaries. I like what Branch Rickey said to Ralph Kiner when he asked for a raise after he has just led both leagues in home runs for the sixth year in a row:

    “We finished in last place with you;
    we can finish in last place without you”

    Then traded the MOFO . . .

    • Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:41 pm

      LOL

      • Lurker John said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        One of a kind, that Rickey.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      Great line by Branch Rickey..🤔
      Blade.
      That had me cracking up..

  26. alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    Downside on the Mullet signing is giving up that 1st rd comp pick since the Sox’s offered him arb, I believe it’s the 18th pick, so it could turn out good or Gary Brown it’s always a crap shoot even top 5-10 don’t always pan out…

    • zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      I don’t think that’s how that works, Kat. The White Sox get a “sandwich” pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds, and the Giants’ 1st round pick simply disappears, I think.

      • xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 6:24 pm

        yeah, I think that’s right. The top ten picks may be protected; otherwise, the team signing a FA generally loses its first rounder. Recent McC Chronicles post also explained that because David Price and Cespedes got traded to their final teams last July, signing either of them now would NOT result in losing a first round pick. Byzantine system.

  27. willedav said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    Wow nice call and perfectly executed on Stanford TD from McCaffrey to Hogan all alone.
    SC down 10-0 and D back on the field again…as I type this McCaffrey goes for 50 yd run.
    See how much fight condoms have left in them.

  28. alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    Didn’t like that 3rd down call. Should of been a roll out run/pass option.17-0 zip would of really put the hammer down early. Ok there Still kicking ass and McCaffery is going off,and Stanford is dominating posseision time..

  29. alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    Jesus…I’m gonna take my 5:56 post and eat it..
    Same scenario at the goaline,though it was 4th down and the element of surprise may have been exposed as Hogan got buried on the fake..

  30. alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    Ok I think your right Zumie,
    That pick looks like a sandwich pick between1-2 rds. Sure sets up Whitesox’s draft nicely with a possible 3 picks in the 1st 50..I believe,but again could be wrong and will have to self-destruct this post in 10 sec Mr.Phelps..

  31. zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Entertaining game, but you see a lot of bad defense in college football, even from top-ranked teams.

  32. zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    I heard an interview with George Karl before the Kings game and he talked about “the difficulty in changing the culture of losing” with the Kings. Karl can bite me. HE’S part of that culture of losing, and I don’t know why he’s the coach, anyway. The Kings had a promising young coach, Malone, that was fired WAY too soon. Malone had the Kings improving and heading in the right direction. They got momentarily derailed when Cousins came down with meningitis, and that got Malone fired. Ridiculous.
    It just bugged me hearing Karl basically throw the players under the bus. I’m not aware that Karl has won jack-anything in his coaching career. He’s trying to play an uptempo style that’s not suited to the personnel, and so the Kings routinely give up 120 points and lose.

  33. zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    Congrats to the Warriors on going to 21-0. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s one of those awesome reminders of how sports can continually rekindle a sense of wonder.

    • xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 7:59 pm

      Steph Curry’s an astonishing player, the Dubs are an astonishing team. I haven’t been this interested in the NBA in decades.

  34. gianthead said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Kevin Hogan’s two best games as a collegiate in the last two…

    • zumiee said, on December 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      Fun game to watch.

  35. wilcojoe said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    Well I can’t argue with the final four. Clemson will be #1, followed by Bama. The only question will be who gets the third and fourth seed out of OU and Michigan State. It will be interesting to see who the Rose Bowl takes to play Stanford. Iowa or the sexier Ohio State. Would love to see McCaffrey versus the cry baby Elliot of the Buckeyes.

    Heisman should be a tight three man race between McCaffrey, Watson and Henry. The Voters love the QB, so I see Watson winning with the other two splitting the vote.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      Not me Wilco..
      I see “The Beast Henry” winning it easily. The more you feed him the ROCK, the better he plays, and Saban just keeps pounding him and the media more then Watson are McCaffrey get IMO. Great talent all 3, but Henry is special, so we will see.

  36. xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    kqed’s playing an early 70s club performance film of the Stones. It’s the band up close circa Let It Bleed / Sticky Fingers, working hard, playing well. Damndest thing. They didn’t need the studio to make them sound good. They were really good. Excellent show.

    • wilcojoe said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:31 pm

      Nice! I need to check to see if my PBS station is airing that as well.

      • djloo27 said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:37 pm

        And tomorrow is the 46th anniversary of Altamont…

      • xoot said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        Now that concert was intimate in an entirely different way. The Oakland chapter of the Hells Angels had their HQs at a store front hall in East Oakland for a long time. The Black Panthers moved in there for a while. In the mid 80s the African People’s Socialist Party occupied the space. By chance, I happened to stop by then (gf errand). The mildly murderous glances weren’t all that bad. But there was something about that place, that spot.

  37. djloo27 said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    Ken Rosenthal Verified account
    ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: Zobrist scheduled to visit #SFGiants. Remains high on priority list.

  38. ewisco said, on December 5, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    great game at the jean park tonight. so SWEET sticking it to ed. when they took the lead in the third the place was rocking and it was starting to suck and then wham bam thank you ma’am. Great win by the indians.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 5, 2015 at 10:32 pm

      Ewisco..Wish they were still called the Stanford Indians, as I bet the 1970 Heisman Winner Jim Plunkett would agree.. Being of part Indian heritage..

  39. ewisco said, on December 5, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    there’s no doubt that there are disparaging images of indian mascots. the Cleveland indians come to mind. but i think that that florida state and stanford and i’m sure there are others that handled it pretty well. certainly the local indian tribe (olone?) was on-board. i do have a pennant that i got in the early seventies that shows a chief wahoo sort of characterization that was pretty offensive. but cardinal works except for the black unis. i would have really liked to see them come out in the traditional unis.

  40. Bozo said, on December 6, 2015 at 6:00 am

    Man am I slow, I didn’t see that the Giants let go Petit and the Human Pinball Machine the other day. So now with the Shark, they still have one more spot on the 40 without having to make any other moves. Come on down Zobrist? Heyward?

  41. willedav said, on December 6, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Z is very talented player than can fill in at multiple spots but…what I read earlier was he was looking for 4 yr deal that would pay him at age 39.

    Giants have a much younger group on the IF plus Tomlinson; Z I’m sure could play 1b if you traded Belt but would lose most of his defensive value and that spot is supposed to be Posey’s anyway soon

    . In the OF Pagan (as long as he’s here) has one more season at most and maybe only a few months of that, plus Pence Blanco (who had a fine year at plate and unlike Z can play CF) Williamson and Parker. So if Z is in LF then one or both of the kids has to go back to Sac, or be part of a trade, right? Hmmnn

  42. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2015 at 8:14 am

    I’m optimistic about the Alphabet signing, but this profile of him downright depressed me. 😦

    http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/report_giants_active_in_search_for_offense_pitching/s1_11692_20000668?mb_edition=5254&linksrc=mb_favorites_head

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2015 at 9:03 am

      Depressing? How so?

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2015 at 9:12 am

        You can’t “teach” velocity and apparently this column says he has lost some. Regardless, he’s an innings eater and he plays in the best pitchers park in baseball IMO, so he should be a serviceable #2 or #3 pitcher.

  43. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Zobrist is only a good signing if he’s reasonable about cost and length of the contract. Otherwise, I would pass. Giants saved money on the Alphabet signing, so I am looking for a much, much better position player (Heyward or Cespedes); and, a decent #3 in the rotation, such as Iwakuma. I’ve moved on from Leake. I understand he turned down a 5 year deal with the Snakes and I definitely don’t want Leake for 5 years. I’ve read that Iwakuma can be had at 3 years, for $13-15 million. I also like Ian Kennedy – again, if he’s reasonable.

    Thinking outside the box, Stark said that Cleveland is listening to a lot of trade offers for 3 of their pitchers. Specifically, he says, “Would the Cleveland Indians really trade Carlos Carrasco? Or Danny Salazar? Or Trevor Bauer? They’ve definitely done a lot of listening. But how much would they have to get in return to chip away at the one area of their team that separates them from just about everyone else? Probably so much that other clubs believe they’re unlikely to move any of their starters this week — and maybe not even after the free-agent supply thins out.

    “They could trade one of these guys and maybe bring back a haul,” said one AL exec. “But they’re not going to sell low on Carrasco or Salazar. And when you get to Bauer and guys like that, what’s the real value there? The reason to like their team is because of their pitching. So I don’t know if they can really break that up, because then you’re just shifting around your problems.”

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2015 at 8:59 am

      It wouldn’t be surprising if the Dodgers go Puig + prospects for one of the Cleveland pitchers.


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