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Ben Zobrist

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 7, 2015

Please let it be another team that signs him. Why do we want him? He’s 34 and is demanding a 4 year deal. Unless he’s taking a bunch of steroids, I don’t want my free agent pick ups to be 34. In his prime he was *barely* a 20/15 guy. And he did all of that in the hitter friendly confines of TB.

I was moderately supportive of picking him up for the stretch drive last year and then it would have been ba-bye.

4 years of Ben Zobrist?

No thank you.

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  1. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 6:53 am

    Down with your post. A couple of years ago, Zobrist made sense. Today? Ridiculous.

  2. Bozo said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:08 am

    I understand the need for an OFer but plugging Zobrist into LF and having him to backup the infield positions would probably mean a trade is in the works for Specs, and that would have to be one hell of a trade to make me happy with that scenario.

    Unless the Giants get Heyward. I think they should focus on a CFer/leadoff hitter, even if healthy, I think it’s time to move Pagan to LF or the bench.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:49 am

      I’ve always liked Pagan and defended him. He made the conga line go back in the day (2014 WS run). However, after last season, I would have to agree with you John. Actually, I’ll go one step further, if someone will take him in a trade or as part of a trade, he should be moved. Angel is a proud man and I can see him being disruptive to club house unity going forward, should he be demoted to the bench. Again, I love the guy, but his time has passed. 😦

      • chipower9 said, on December 7, 2015 at 9:54 am

        Concur on all counts.

  3. Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:46 am

    apparently there are at least 4 teams after him, including the Art Dealers, so I’m not super worried we are going to get him. Sabes almost always gets outbid in these situations.

  4. willedav said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:48 am

    Friday night I caught some of Woodson talking to Ahmed Farid on KNBR. Woodson asked about Pagan and F said that Giants appear to have him taking CF, but with a “wait and see” tude to it. In other words this could be McG redux—he plays himself out of it after a month or physically can’t handle it, SF goes another direction.

    Also apparently the Specs to the OF experiment didn’t go so well at first exposure. Both he and team agree needs a lot more work and reps. Still, he’s a keeper for backup middle IF.

    So yeah, picking up a Marisnick (think white DLew) as Plan B makes lot of sense.
    Woodson also thought Gordon from KC a better fit than Heyward, which makes zero sense to me.

  5. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:51 am

    Chapman to the Dodgers.

  6. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:54 am

    Ken Rosenthal ✔ @Ken_Rosenthal
    Players who know Jansen do not believe he would react well if he lost closer’s job with #Dodgers set to acquire Chapman. Stay tuned.
    8:41 AM – 7 Dec 2015
    291 291 Retweets 201 201 likes

    Keep Puig and Kumbaya in the clubhouse. Ha.

    • Bozo said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:02 am

      If they would just add Papelbon to that mix. Kaboom.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:09 am

        No shit Clown. That would be something. I just read where the Marlins would be willing to deal Fernandez to the Dodgers, for prospects Urias, Seager and role player, Van Slyke.

        Not enough. The Marlins would be crucified by the fans for trading a “home boy” (Cuban). Consequently, the rumor is that they would want another Cuban . . . Ta Da . . . Aroldis Chapman, which would ease any public-relations fallout from the loss of Fernandez. Some interesting shit being contemplated.

      • Bozo said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:40 am

        I thought Puig was part of that rumor, no?

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:55 am

        Dunno clown. Could be though.

  7. willedav said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:21 am

    When I left yesterday to coach b-ball Raiders were up TD on Chiefs, so watching highlights last night of Carr throwing pick 6s was great. Even Killion who was so high on their org a month ago (while trashing Niners as she still does) let him have it. Their record vs. winning teams is 1-5, they have lost to Den and KC at home and still have to play them on road, plus GB
    .
    Probably finish 6-10 so they’ve gone from flat awful to strictly average, but that’s it. Their D still falls apart when they need it and the younger guys are still learning to hang onto football. No more nonsense from their highly delusional fans. Cue the Jim Mora rant.

  8. alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:26 am

    Keep the turmoil going Doghairs!
    Jansen& Chapman are not gonna be thrilled on who’s going to the closer.
    Jansen will probably be traded now..

  9. Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:43 am

    I’m not super worried about Chapman going to the Dodgers. Hate to say it, but he’s a huge injury risk throwing the ball that hard. Early on in his career he wanted to be a starter. I wonder if that’s still his desire?

    • willedav said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:49 am

      And both are FAs after this year. As Zum I think pointed out, one of them likely Jansen will suffer from lack of saves going forward into next deal. Paying one closer top $$$ pretty risky, 2 of them just plain stupid.

      Iwakuma a good pick up tho, reminds me of Kuroda, pricey but solid 7 inning guy who can still pitch effectively as he ages.

  10. unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 9:03 am

    Didn’t Boston just go through demoting their closer and getting a new one and watching that decision blow up in their faces? Granted, that was mid-season, but still if I’m Jansen, I want out. Now.

    The Raiders would have a worse record than the Niners had they played the same schedule.
    Creampuff city.

  11. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 9:27 am

    The track record of a team having two top closers on the same team, and one of them having to be the 8th inning guy isn’t great. It’s hardly ever worked out all that great. For one thing, the 8th inning role can be very different. There’s a lot more warming up and not getting brought in, in the 8th inning role. It’s a role that has more uncertainty on a given night. Janson would probably be the 8th inning guy, and he’s had durability issues before.
    There’s a possibility one of them, probably Janson, will be packaged in a big trade for a starting pitcher. And maybe the trade could include Puig. A good ol’ fashioned blockbuster trade.

  12. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 9:42 am

    Just for the heck of it, looking at the Dodgers lineup, they’re not all that impressive at the moment. Turner just had micro-fracture surgery on his knee. He got ground down by everyday play. At the heart of things, he’s probably better as a super-sub kind of guy, like the way the Giants used Uribe in ’10.
    Secondbase is weak with a declining Utley. Shortstop is a rookie, so who knows? He’s talented, but the league will get a book on him possibly. Pederson in centerfield? He crashed and burned in the second half, as the league got a book on him. Puig? League/book. Ethier, Crawford, A-Gon? Who knows, another year older for each. Catcher? Grandal got ground down with regular play.
    Maybe I’m missing something, but I think the Dodgers still have a ways to go to make up for losing Greinke’s historic pitching.

  13. chipower9 said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:04 am

    The Giants for part of a year had two guys closing. Cannot recall if it was Bedrosian and (shit, I cannot recall the name of the other guy…flame-thrower they got I believe from the White Sox). It sucks getting old…

    Anyone recall this year and who the two were???

    Catching up from weekend activiites and posts…I am down with Smardge…I think it was a good add. I see him getting better pitching in our yard, with good D behind him. (And IMO it doesn’t hurt that he has the likes of Rags and Gardner to help him dial-in his game.)

    Now go add another decent arm and an OFer.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:41 am

      Goose Gossage? I think Lefferts and Brantley were on that team as well …..

  14. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:26 am

    Feeling better about the Alphabet trade after reading this – Chris Sale (who I wish the Giants had) said this about Alphabet . . .

    “Whatever team gets him is going to get a steal. Really, he’s relatively young, and he’s got a strong arm with not a lot of innings on it. And he’s a competitor. Say what you want about him, he competes as hard as anybody. That’s his mentality, how he’s always been. I think the football comes out in him sometimes. You need that. If you don’t have that passion, don’t play the game, right? At the end of the day at least you know he (cares).”

  15. unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:39 am

    Yeah, I’m cool with eyechart as well. Totally forgot about his football days till my son reminded me.

    Yeah, I think the Dogs are going to do a lot of trades acquisitions in the near future. May they all crash and burn . . .

  16. xoot said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:41 am

    It’ll be interesting to see how the bums reach agreements with Chapman and Jansen to avoid 3rd year arbitration for both. They each earned +/- $8 million last year. Unless the bums shell out big bucks now, they’re both FAs at the end of the season. Two prospects–and apparently not the bums’ top prospects–for one year of Chapman at $10M (or whatever it takes to avoid arbitration) makes some sense. Chances are he’ll throw his arm out later rather than this year. He’s still pretty young. (He was born the year the bums last won the WS.) What if they made a long-term deal with Jansen to buy out arb, but gave Chapman only a one year deal, at a high rate? Jansen might settle into the 8th inning role for a while. Bottom line, for the Giants I don’t like having both those guys in the LA pen. But we’ll see.

  17. chipower9 said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:09 am

    Regarding the dual-closer conversation, for the Giants it was 1997. They traded late in the year from Roberto Hernandez from the White Sox to compliment Shooter Beck. My friend Mike (commonly referred to as Rain Man refreshed my ailing memory).

    • Lurker John said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:13 am

      Man, who doesn’t miss Shooter? A great, great Giant if you ask me.

  18. Lurker John said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Maybe Samardzija will end up being Jake Arrieta Act II. They’re about the same age and have had similar career paths. Both are big and have strong arms. Let Rags work his magic and see what happens.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:26 am

      Excellent comment LJ . . . You’re right about Arrieta – he had quite a few bumps along the road to stardom. Who knows? It could happen for Alphabet too. Right now, he throws hard and is an innings eater. Add the phone park and Rags (as you noted), he could be something.

    • chipower9 said, on December 7, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      Not that familiar with Arrieta’s background, but I agree. As I mentioned earlier on this thread, between pitching in the quintensential pitcher’s park, having a good D behind him, and having Rags and Gardner to mentor him, I think he could turn out to be pretty damned good.

  19. alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:35 am

    I would still like a lefty pitcher to balance out the rotation..
    Any chance we could make a trade for the Whitesox’s Jose Quintana?
    See a good future in that guy and the salary is cheap right now. Thoughts Flap Universe?

    • gianthead said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:53 am

      Don’t see the White Sox giving up cheap young pitching…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:14 pm

      I mentioned this a couple of times 2 weeks ago. I am down with Quintana coming here. GH, no one is going to “give away” pitching, but numerous sources have indicated that the White Sox are interested in trading him or at least, listening to offers.

  20. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:58 am

    This seems kind of a silly comment about Chapman/Janson from Ken Gurnick of MLB.com:
    “The club could deal one in a trade or, as some in the industry believe, redefine game management by having the pair pitch the final three innings of games it leads.”
    How many times a week could that even happen? And why would you want to do that if you have plans of trying to go deep into the playoffs? Sure, the Dodgers might be feeling, hey, who cares if we blow out some arms, we’re tying to win a championship; but those guys might not be diggin’ that.

    • zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      And one more thing about that….Roberts is a first-year manager. He’s going to have to make all of those moves with those relievers. That’ll be interesting to see how he manages his pen. Sure, you want to win every game possible, but you have to keep those guys in good shape for the playoffs, too.
      The NL West, in general, is very interesting.

  21. gianthead said, on December 7, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Zobrist, who I was on board with acquiring two seasons ago pre-Panik (think we had some big Flap flapping about the merits of trading for him) was a lot better and timely hitter last year than I thought he would be at his age.

    Depends on the terms for 4 years….if it is 4 years years at $60 mill I could live with that. Gives us a lot of insurance re Panik’s back. Heyward is going to be way way more pricey…

  22. gianthead said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    My gear is that the Hel-LA F-Heads end up getting Fernandez. Puig would obviously be in that deal. Cuban who already lives in Miami. Add in Jensen and a couple of other young arms and how do the Marlins resist? How do the Giants do better?

    • gianthead said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      Gear fear whatever….at least I won two big fantasy football matchups yesterday (opponent in one league does have Dez Bryant but I am up 20) one team of scoring 87 pts I’m the Sunday night game vaulting me into the playoffs maybe as high as the 4th seed when I was seeded 9th heading into the final weekend….

      • gianthead said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:04 pm

        Forgot my 🙂

    • zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      The downside for the Marlins, though, is that it’s asking Two-Trips to take on Puig again. That’s a disaster. I didn’t realize the full extent of the disaster until I read Molly Knight’s book. According to her book, Two-Trips basically had no control over the guy. Puig had no respect for him. Puig probably knew nothing of Mattingly’s baseball career. Mattingly was nobody to Puig, and Puig treated him like a nobody.
      In fact, job #1 for Mattingly in Miami will be to establish control of his team. He never did that in L.A.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        Yeah, I don’t see Puig being best buds with Two-Trips. Not going to happen. Conversely, I think Chapman should hold off on packing his bags and booking a flight to LA . . . I can see him being part of a trade to the Marlins for Fernandez.

      • Bozo said, on December 7, 2015 at 1:01 pm

        Good point Zumiee.

  23. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    Speaking of books, I’ve read 3 interesting music memoirs recently. Neil Young’s “Chrome Dreams,” Kim Gordon (of Sonic Youth)’s “A Girl In A Band,” and Carrie Brownstein (of Sleater-Kinney, and the TV comedy “Portlandia”)’s memoir. All very interesting looks at their life journeys.

  24. Irish Kevin said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Whew…good to see everyone not on board with signing an old dude, I thought I was going to have to go into my don’t go after old dudes rant. 😜😜😜😜

    • chipower9 said, on December 7, 2015 at 1:23 pm

      I may have to pump-up the Zobrist rhetoric just to get a rant out of you…

      • Irish Kevin said, on December 7, 2015 at 2:51 pm

        LMAO!!

  25. xoot said, on December 7, 2015 at 12:37 pm

    About 1 hour ago
    Jayson StarkVerified account ‏@jaysonst
    Not sure what to make of this. But Reds telling teams they haven’t yet agreed to trade Aroldis Chapman to LA. I don’t think Dodgers agree

    • zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      Reminds me a little of last year when the Dodgers did a big 3-way trade and one of the parties held it up for a while until they agreed on the details. Could an L.A./Cincy/Miami deal be in the works?

  26. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    I saw the footage again last night on the MLB Network of Papelbon grabbing Harper’s throat. It really was a very violent move. And then Matt Williams allowed Papelbon to go out and pitch the next inning. Williams’ lame excuse was he didn’t see the choke. Not a great excuse when the owners think you’ve lost control of your team.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      No shit. How big is a dugout? It’s not like they are on an aircraft carrier. He’s at most 20′ away.

  27. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    The L.A./Cincy thing makes me wonder how a trade is actually officially transacted. Both sides call some office in MLB headquarters? At what point have both teams passed a “no take back” point? I don’t think I’ve ever heard how that’s done.

    • xoot said, on December 7, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      the CBA treats the process as one of “assignment of player contracts.” (CBA Art. XIX.) I’ll give you this contract for those two. Way down in the player representations part of the CBA there’s this clause, too: “6.(a) The Player agrees that his contract may be assigned by the Club (and reassigned by any assignee Club) to any other Club in accordance with the Major League Rules. The Club and the Player may, without obtaining special approval, agree by special covenant to limit or eliminate the right of the Club to assign this contract.”

      I think the mlb comm’ner’s office has to sign off on all trades, too. So it’s paper work. Maybe the teams enter into a MOU and then do the formal deal. If any breach of agreement dispute arises between teams, they have to adjudicate before the comm’n’r.

  28. unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    FWIW: At least he’s under consideration.

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/New-York-here-he-comes-Stanford-s-6682195.php

    • djloo27 said, on December 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      I’m sure we’ll East Coast bias the fuck out of him…

      • alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm

        Lol..So true!!

      • Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        If Wright hadn’t vultured so many 1 yard td’s from him, this wouldn’t even be contested. He would win in a landslide. But, Shaw loves his fucking goal line, unnecessary, specialist

  29. djloo27 said, on December 7, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    MLB Network says Giants haven’t “closed the door” on Cueto and that they are running third to Washington and the Mets in the Zobrist derby because he wants to play second a lot more than LF. It’s all bullshit but kind of fun to watch I guess…

  30. zumiee said, on December 7, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    Thanks for the contract info, Xoot!

  31. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ✔ @jcrasnick
    A person familiar with Mike Leake’s talks thinks he could land a 5-yr deal for $75-80M. His market value appears to have spiked.
    12:11 PM – 7 Dec 2015
    107 107 Retweets 98 98 likes

    Hilarious. I hope the Giants brain trust passes on this MOFO. At most, he is worth a 3 year deal @ $36 million, with a team option for a 4th year IMO.

    • Bozo said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm

      In my book, Leake is the Cleveland Steamer from Cincinnati, I’d guess his worth is one BART ticket to Oakland. I really hope they don’t get him back.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:08 pm

        I plead temporary insanity last month for wanting this signing. No idea what I was thinking.

  32. unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    5 years is a stretch but Leake is only 28. I’d go 4 $50.

    • djloo27 said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:52 pm

      After seeing what we just gave Touchdown Jesus, why would Leake think he’s worth that much less?
      He’s had a better career and he’s younger. You’re low ballin’ him, Chuck…

      • unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:19 pm

        Ok another 10 mill. $15 mill a year is fine. Anything g more is too much.

      • Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        only because of his age, I agree with you. But for this year, maybe the one after? I would take Saaaaa-Margey all day long. He’s a much better pitcher than the tiny lipped convict

  33. Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    Chapman deal not gonna happen with his domestic violence case pending.

  34. alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    That Dodger/Reds trade unlikely to happen now that Chapman is being investigated on an assault charge of choking his girlfriend and firing 8 shots in a garage in a dispute back in October…

    • djloo27 said, on December 7, 2015 at 7:54 pm

      I’m sure he didn’t mean anything by it…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:06 pm

        Man, I am kicking myself for not meeting you during my East coast road trip. You’re a frickin’ laugh a minute Loo 🙂

    • djloo27 said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:03 pm

      Did they play his entrance music when he finally came out of the garage?

  35. xoot said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of a man to keep and bear Arms and shoot the hell out of his garage from time to time, shall not be infringed.”

    The assault allegation of course isn’t so funny.

  36. Flavor said, on December 7, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Steve—-Loo is one of the great bloggers of our time……
    I have many issues with the second amendment. The main one being that most Americans don’t understand it. And it pisses me off that I live in a country with so many dumbos.

  37. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:08 pm

  38. snarkk said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Isn’t Kelby Tomlinson the 10 years younger Ben Zobrist?
    So, why would the Giants need the decade-older version that costs $60 million more?…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:26 pm

      Snarkk, I don’t want Zobrist, but I understand the Giants are concerned about Kelby’s transition to the outfield. Apparently, he is having difficulty learning the position.

      • snarkk said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm

        Phuck, for $750K, give me a glove and I’ll play left field, and field it better than friggin’ Pat the Bat. I might not hit the curveball too well, but that’s why I’m agreeing to the home town discount…

      • snarkk said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:35 pm

        Crap, blade. See ball, catch ball, throw ball. If you’re good enough to be an MLB infielder, you can be a dumbass and catch fly balls in the outfield, cutoff doubles into long singles, and play balls off the wall. If “Morris” and Pat the Bat can play LF, surely Tomlinson can play it, and better…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        Personally, I want them to get a stud outfielder, such as Heyward, Upton, etc.

      • snarkk said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:50 pm

        So do I — give me a stud OFer…

  39. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Well, he does wear glasses.

  40. blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Sheesh, I am going to have to give FB a break . . . Discussing gun violence with an acquaintance of Unca’s, who is borderline Fascist. 🙂

    When you ask them to give a cogent, coherent answer on how to solve gun control (the more than 30,000 people who are killed by firearms each year in this country) – he directs me to a video by the National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre – one of the biggest lunatics on the right in my opinion.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2015 at 7:19 am

      Yeah, the old neener neener reply

      • blade3colorado said, on December 8, 2015 at 8:03 am

        The problem is that they only whine about what they perceive is wrong. Basically blaming everything on Obama or some other boogey man . . . Never providing any concrete, definitive solutions, e.g., health care, ISIS, mass shootings, etc. I learned long ago when you point your finger at something – people, places, or things – there’s always 3 fingers pointed back at you.

    • xoot said, on December 8, 2015 at 8:42 am

      It’s amazing how many gun nuts there are in the US. Former colleague of mine used to get specially approved and tracked shipments of ammo delivered to his house in the East Bay hills, so he could stock up. Someone in Texas sent the heavy boxes off to him as often as the law allowed. He genuinely believed that the gun control nuts were going to regulate bullets as a way to deprive him of the right to use his various long guns (including an assault rifle) and automatic hand guns.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 8, 2015 at 9:40 am

        After Trump’s latest racist and xenophobic comments, it’s easier than ever to see the frightening similarities to another fascist, racist – Adolf Hitler.


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