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Dexter Fowler?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 5, 2016

Anyone want Dexter Fowler? At the right price, I do. He’s a switch hitter who might hit 7 billion triples if allowed to play at AT&T full time. Or at least, 81 games.

He’s long (6’4). I haven’t checked his defensive metrics mostly because I think they’re overrated but he’s gotta be better at D than Pagan. I mean, who isn’t?

He’s 29, I actually see him as a younger Pagan. I’d take him.


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  1. chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 8:30 am

    At the right price, sure.

  2. chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 8:43 am

    While Fowler has a slight uptick over Parra in OBP and OPS (Parra has the higher lifetime BA), and they both average almost identical numbers in averages for HRs and RBIs per year.

    Fowler made 9.5 last year to Parra’s 6.2.

    Parra has two gold gloves (one RF, one for LF). Fowler has none.

    I would still take Parra’s better glove (and ability to play all three OF positions) over Fowler (strictly a CFer) as I just do not see the offensive upside to justify Fowler over Parra.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:00 am

      Good points Chi . . . Fowler is ok, but I’ve followed him for years (in Sherpa Land) and not only has he not fulfilled early expectations, but the last couple of seasons he has regressed significantly. He was actually a pretty decent CF at Coors. Not anymore. In all major defensive metrics, he has cratered the last couple of years.

      His one plus, is baserunning . . . He’s an excellent base runner. As FanGraphs highlights, “His real strength is going first to third, second to home, etc. When Fowler gets going, he makes good choices and executes quite well on basepaths.” However, that is mitigated by the fact, that he rarely steals and when he does, he gets caught way, way too much.

      Yeah, I would take Parra over him, but if given the choice of Fowler versus Pagan – I would take Fowler.

      • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:05 am

        Sure, I would take Fowler over Pagan, too. But I still believe (even with the crickets chirping) that the Giants will go out and get an OFer, either via FA or a trade. I seriously do not think they will get a top tier guy like Cespedes, and with that said, I like Parra for all the reasons mentioned (good glove and ability to play all three OF positions).

        Fowler’s nickname is “Daddy Long Legs” and I am sure that ties-in with your comments on his base running.

  3. Flavor said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:24 am

    I’ve actually decided that the Giants WON’T be getting one of the FA agent OF’s, top tier or otherwise. they are more likely to stay the course with what they have, see if Pagan can hold up and/or if Williamson or Parker work out. If all 3 of those factors crater (likely) then they’ll go get an OF at the break. Although what is Byrd doing? Seems like a perfect cheapo deal to throw in the mix.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:46 am

      That goes totally against what Evans has said to date, and unless I missed something, I have not heard him say anything differently. Basically he said that while they like Williamson and Parker, they want to have someone in LF who has experience and have Blanco as a 4th OFer.

      I still say they get an OFer either via FA or trade, and that Parker or Williamson (my guess is Parker) make the team as a 5th. Time will tell.

      Have you heard or seen anything that makes you think they run with what they have?

      • Flavor said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:06 am

        no. It’s my speculation.

  4. Carstie Clausen said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:41 am

    Agree with Chi and Blade that Parra would be the better choice and that Fowler would be preferable to Pagan. Doubtful that either of these guys would be very expensive, but would be okay with a moderate overpay if the contract is limited to 2 years. I’d be most leery about anything longer than a 3 year deal in either case. Also thinking Pagan (along with a nice chunk of change) should be dealt to an AL team needful of an alternative DH. Should a deal be made then the team could re-up Byrd for very valuable bench strength.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:49 am

      I just do not see dealing Pagan as being an alternative (don’t think there would be any suitors), and since it is a contract year for Pagan, he has to be motivated to prove he still has it. If healthy, he has proven he can be a valuable part of the team (especially with all that chemistry stuff that James is so big on 🙂 ). I say keep Crazy Horse around and roll the dice, but add a quality, inexpensive OFer like Parra, and have Blanco as your 4th and Parker or Williamson as your 5th.

  5. zumiee said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:50 am

    I’ve mentioned on the Flap before that Fowler is my favorite Modesto Nut of all time. His one season on the Rockies’ high Single A team was spectacular. He was totally dominant at that level, hitting for average and power, and playing the outfield like a gazelle.
    He’s been a decent, but not spectacular, major leaguer.
    I think the thing we can say with most certainty about the ’16 Giants is that Pagan will not finish the season as a starting outfielder, and likely not even make it to the All-Star break as a starter. The Giants’ brass, no doubt, is trying to plan for that. Fowler wouldn’t be the worst option. I’m sure he could play some leftfield for a couple of months, and then go to center when Pagan goes down. Then deal with leftfield at the trade deadline, or maybe go the Blanco/Parker/etc. route for the stretch run. Catch some lightning in the bottle with one of those guys again.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:16 am

      If they are going to go out and get a FA, who is not top shelf (Cespedes, etc.), I would take Parra everyday and twice on Sunday over Fowler…for all the reasons I mention above. Plus, Blade says Fowler’s skills are on the decline.

  6. giants54 said, on January 5, 2016 at 10:10 am

    Hey, courtside seats to the best basketball team in the world not a bad selling point to prospective FA’s.

    If they do sign Fowler, my hunch is they try to pckg Pagan (eating a big chunk of his remaining dough) for a LF platoon guy to pair with Blanco. May not find my suitors but I don’t see Pagan and Fowler in the field together working.

    • zumiee said, on January 5, 2016 at 10:22 am

      Two of the most unmarketable outfielders are Pagan, and the Dodgers’ Crawford. Two players with a lot of pride, whose bodies are giving out, as far as being professional athletes.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:18 am

      Exactly why I would take Parra over Fowler. Better glove (two gold gloves), and can play all three OF positions. Fowler has no measurable upside, from an offensive perspective, so I just don’t see it. Pagan will get every shot to win the CF position this year. How long can he make it…only time will tell.

  7. Bozo said, on January 5, 2016 at 10:20 am

    On New Years eve it was in the 70s here and I was wearing shorts and a tee. Today it’s 29 with a wind chill of 19, Winter has come to the Outer Banks, or at least a small cold snap. So to bridge the gap between Winter and Spring, for lunch I had a hot dog (two actually) and finished off the last of the egg nog (spiked with Kill Devil Rum that has pecans and honey in it). So on this chilly day, I’ll sit by the hot stove for a sec…

    Fowler? Parra? Byrd? Span will be trying out his hip on the 8th, will the Giants be attending that performance? Contract year for Pagan, hmmm. So much to think about and that isn’t even counting Cespedes, Upton or the rumor of getting Desmond to play LF and backing up the Inf. The Giants 40 man is still at 40 so are they waiting until a FA OFer signs before making a deal with someone? Will they finally drop Ehire?
    Damn, this stove is getting hot…

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:20 am

      I polished off the last of one of two quarts of homemade nog my daughter made. You could use this shit as rocket fuel it has so much damned booze in it. But the funny thing is that even with all the booze, it is a very smooth drink. I will have a glass when I get home tonight…

  8. giants54 said, on January 5, 2016 at 10:37 am

    That contract year thing works both ways.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:22 am

      What do you mean by that? In a contract year, the player is usually highly motivated to put up a great year to better grease the skids for a new contract. No way in hell I see the Giants keeping Pagan past this year, but I do think he could be a contributor this year. For how long, again, only time will tell.

      • giants54 said, on January 5, 2016 at 12:05 pm

        I don’t buy the contract year theory so much. Yes, some players have better years, but some will put up the same numbers, others will be worse. Sometimes they press more, as Pablo did in his FA year.

        There are a handful of FA’s this year who had disappointing seasons. Samarzdjia, for example.

        In Pagan’s case, I think his body will dictate what kind of year he is capble of. I’m assuming he’s always highly motivated to give his best, but when the skills erode, desire is not enough.

      • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm

        I was not trying to say that it always pans out. I was more saying that in contract years, players are more motivated in having a good, or career year, as to help in negotiating their next contract. Sure, it does not always pan out, but I think most are motivated to put up good numbers in hopes it translates to a good next contract.

  9. zumiee said, on January 5, 2016 at 10:45 am

    Great seats, eh?!

  10. Flavor said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:09 am

    I’ve listened carefully to what Evans has said all off season and that’s why I was confident he would go after pitchers before hitters. And that’s what he did. I’m speculating now with my 9:24am but see it as a totally plausible course of action. Evans hasn’t said anything definitive about going after another OF, just that they are exploring all the options.

    • chipower9 said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:23 am

      I specifically recall an interview in which he said they were still looking for an OFer, and this was AFTER they had inked both SamJ and Cueto. I respect your opinion, but I still think they add an OFer either via FA or trade.

  11. Macdog said, on January 5, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Not crazy about Fowler. OBP (.346) is ok, but way too many K’s — 154, 4th among NL outfielders — for a top-of-the-order guy. But I’m with Chi, I think the Giants will add another outfielder before spring training.

  12. gianthead said, on January 5, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    I guess if he can cover CF then Pagan is going to left….is he a much bigger upgrade than Blanco. I’d rather sink money into a power-hitting left-fielder even even if that happened over the summer…

  13. gianthead said, on January 5, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    I’d still take Parra first…

  14. alleykat69 said, on January 5, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    I’ll take Fowler over Parra due that he is a switch otter,he draws more walks, has a a higher OBP can steal more bases and is a natural CF, and will take over for the next few years after Crazy Horse is put out to pasture.

    • Flavor said, on January 5, 2016 at 4:54 pm

      yeah, with you on that. Luke warm with you, but I’m with you. I think motivation has always been a little challenging for Fowler. I think he has higher upside than Parra if he ever decided to focus up and take his game to another level.

      • djloo27 said, on January 5, 2016 at 7:21 pm

        Fowler’s numbers at ATT are dreadful:


        Parra is 6 for 10 with a double and a triple…

      • Flavor said, on January 5, 2016 at 7:33 pm

        0 triples, that surprises me. That just means….he’s due baby. For a boatload of ’em

    • chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 6:48 am

      We can agree to disagree. I will worry about CF when that time comes. I still would rather have Parra, a gold glove OFer whose offensive numbers are very close to Fowlers, but is superior in the field, and plays all three OF positions well (Parra could fill in/take over CF as Fowler could). Plus, Parra is a year younger and probably costs a few mil less.

  15. willedav said, on January 5, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    Klay with 30 last night, and already in first Q half way there.. Those pull up Js off the curl play and post ups are reminiscent of how Jerry West used to abuse smaller guards.

  16. blade3colorado said, on January 5, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Loo, in fairness to Fowler (and I really don’t like him) – most of those plate appearances were while he was with the Sherpas, i.e., the adjustment from Coors Field (altitude) to sea level, where sliders actually slide, curves actually curve, sinkers actually sink, etc., etc., was something most Sherpa players had difficulty with. Consequently, I’m not surprised by his poor numbers.

  17. willedav said, on January 5, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    Meant to post this one from yesterday cbs site: “Monmouth rolls over Canisius 81-66.” As Hawks gain revenge for earlier road L by shooting 54% from the floor and romping the golden Griffins.
    Saturday they are on ESP3 hosting the Quinnipiac bobcats. Man, gotta find a way to check that out.

  18. xoot said, on January 5, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Anyone else concerned about Curry’s leg? Maybe I’m just jumpy after the shooting in downtown Oakland today, one block from the Dubs practice site. Tat tat tat. I knew immediately what it was. Only certain sounds make it through office tower windows. (The high-pitched metal whistle hotel doormen use to page cabs–that pierces everything.) Anyway, two guys arguing on Broadway. The shooter missed the other guy, but hit a woman on the sidewalk. She’s ok, apparently. Meanwhile Sacramento can’t catch a break. Cousins and Karl may be trading roundhouses in center court before the season’s over.

  19. snarkk said, on January 5, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Can’t say I understand why they played Curry tonight against an almost defenseless Laker team. So, he got hit on his bruised shin again, and aggravated it. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. And, hey, can’t they put some kind of wrap or foam over that bruise so it doesn’t keep getting hit and aggravated?…

    • Flavor said, on January 6, 2016 at 7:44 am

      thought all these same things last night. Strap some old school 70’s shit on there, it would be better than nothing.

  20. willedav said, on January 6, 2016 at 7:32 am

    Imo, Pagan has always been highly motivated. He was last year too. Even after months of suckitude he still said publicly he wanted to stay in the LU every day. Wouldn’t surprise me that for a long time he refused whatever med procedure Giants finally convinced him to have (arthro?) before something finally got done and he finished season on an uptick.
    But, last year he started off healthy and had great April before cratering. To expect much more than that at his age seems highly unlikely after 3 injury plagued seasons.

    If SF is gonna pick up an OF, he has to be better hitter than Blanco and ready to play CF full time going forward as opposed to a big stick just for LF.
    Not sure exactly who that is, but for me that would rule out Cespedes Gordon J Up.
    I mostly remember Parra as a fine corner OF.

  21. willedav said, on January 6, 2016 at 7:37 am

    Just saw Gordon supposed to re up with Royals after all, 4 yrs for $70 mil.
    Maybe that starts ball rolling on all the other available OFs and FAs.

  22. Flavor said, on January 6, 2016 at 7:43 am

    new thread

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