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Alex Gordon, Don’t Come on Down

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 6, 2016

Royals got Gordon back for 4 years/72 million— seems about right. I actually would have been fine giving him the same deal. Now that he’s fallen the rest should start to go. What are the chances we get one of the following?

Big Cespy

Fowler

Parra

J-Upton

Denard Span

Marlon Byrd

I think we are probably more in a “Will Venable” state of mind but who knows, maybe management surprises me……

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  1. snarkk said, on January 6, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Go all in and get Cespedes. Get this team to match its talent level with its revenues level…

  2. unca_chuck said, on January 6, 2016 at 8:20 am

    Yeah Denorfia springs to mind as a mid-level guy they’d be comfortable with. Me? Not so much, but they did do a little more with the pitching than I thought. Fowler at the right price? Sure. he had a .438 OBP after the allstar break last year but had a shitty start. 5/80? 4/80? Fuck I don;t know. I’ve never been good at guessing salaries these owners throw around.

    Plus we’d be losing a draft pick (quibble quibble, I know).

    • giants54 said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:40 am

      Maybe they would settle for Austin Jackson or Span but not on 35 yr old Denorfia

      • unca_chuck said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:44 am

        Shit, Byrd was 38 when they got him . . . Just saying he follows the pattern of getting near-the-end-of-the-line guys.

      • giants54 said, on January 6, 2016 at 10:03 am

        Byrd was still hitting 20 bombs and with Pence down….

    • chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 11:56 am

      Fowler made 4.2 in 2013, 7.3 in 2014, and 9.5 mil last year…no way in hell I give him anything approaching 20 mil per. He really is down on my list, but if he is the guy, most I would want to go is 3 at 36.

  3. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 6, 2016 at 8:24 am

    Go Big Cespy or go with Byrd. Just don’t sign Parra 😮

  4. Flavor said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:06 am

    I’m a big believer in Cespy not wanting to come out west. Why would he if he had east coast options? he moved most of his family to Florida. That has to factor into his decision process. We aren’t talking about a guy born and raised in Virginia moving out west and leaving his family there. He brought them over from freaking Cuba. That’s a big deal, I bet.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:24 am

      Shit, it’s all about the money. Money = respect for a lot of these guys.

    • chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 11:57 am

      With the coin he has/will have, I do not think the logistics or cost of a move are important, but having that Cuban-connection with Miami is probably important.

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:20 am

    An opportunity to win in a championship has to factor into his decision too right? Great FO, Bochy solid club all around. The Giants are well positioned for a legit shot for the next 2-4 years. I don’t know. I’ve overestimated those factors in the past. Maybe the no smoking policy at AT&T Park has already disqualified the Giants.

  6. Carstie Clausen said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Logjam is broken with two of the big four having found homes. Who the Giants get is anybody’s call. I do like the fact that Cespedes would only involve money as there is no draft compensation deal here. Could live with Parra and even Fowler ~ the latter on a short contract of no more than 2 years.

  7. giants54 said, on January 6, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Who was the wise guy touting B of A stock? 😉

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 10:38 am

      I was and sold it for a 25% profit (i.e., $24k last year) on November 6th. I also “flipped it” 2 other times in 2015 and 2014 for a combined 30% profit (approx. $30k).

      In other words G54, go back to BAC’s 2 year chart and you will notice 3 times it ascended to over $18 a share and then fell back to around high $14 to mid $15 . . . I parlayed my 9000 plus shares into the aforementioned gains 3 times the last 3 years. I will definitely get back in when it is around $15 again. 🙂

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 10:41 am

      By the by, I’m now touting Apple stock . . . Unbelievably low valuation at around $100. Dollar cost average and you can’t go wrong G54. 🙂

  8. zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 10:25 am

    MLB Network is all Hall Of Fame all day today. Like I really care whether Alan Trammel gets in the HOF. It’s tiresome. I’m glad Griffey, Jr. will get in, but I have no special memories of him. He never played in a World Series. He rarely played in games that mattered a lot. Seattle had that 110+ win season after he left!
    Bonds will do better, but half the writers aren’t going to budge. Kent will do better, too, but still seems kind of off the radar for some reason.

  9. willedav said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Picked up a book from 2004, Ichiro on Ichiro, and after that I’ll check out Intangiball, tho I’m skeptical going in on the whole “chemistry” thing being so imp.

    Personal experience, I’ve been assistant coach on team that did won league despite zero home games that didn’t get along (open complaints from two different age groups) and another that got along great but had far less talent and finished at bottom of league.

    How to explain Red Sox of Francona days? One year they are doing shots and win it all, soon after there are reports about beer and chicken wings in clubhouse and Francona is gone.
    Plus, this only seems to surface about winning teams.
    What kind of chemistry did Padres have last year? Brewers? Did it matter?

    • chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:11 pm

      LMAO…Where in the hell is James when you need him to sort this chemistry shit out…

    • zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:17 pm

      I see your point, Willie, but Intangiball makes the point that good chemistry isn’t always about the players getting along well, but being able to rally to a common cause, and put winning above all else. And, sure, a team still has to have talent. But that talent needs to be willing to be coached and given advice. That’s why team leaders are important.

  10. zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Maeda didn’t ace his physical. Has some wear on his elbow and shoulder that has the Dodgers concerned, but they still want to do the deal.

    • willedav said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:45 pm

      saw that. Flav said couple threads ago he wasn’t interested because these guys always break down.
      Story I saw said LA admits the guy may ultimately need TJ.
      Deal supposedly was a cheapo 8 yrs @$25 mil with big incentives.
      LA only has short window (ends this week I think) to finalize deal…would they forfeit the $20 mil posting fee?

      • zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm

        If no final deal is signed, they don’t have to pay the posting fee.

  11. chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    As I stated on the past couple of threads, I feel confident they will sign someone. Will it be one of the OFers Flavor mentioned? Beats the hell outta me, but I am pretty damned confident that they add an OFer, either through FA or a trade. I still like Parra for his solid D and ability to play all OF positions, and hit leadoff, but last I have read is that the Natty Nats have been in showing interest in and have been in touch with Gerardo…

    Here is a decent read from Jenkins if you have not seen it…

    http://www.sfgate.com/giants/jenkins/article/Giants-outfield-problem-will-be-solved-6738797.php

    • zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:32 pm

      He makes the point that a lot of the Dodger position players are kind of brittle.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on January 6, 2016 at 2:53 pm

      MLBBTR reports that among suitors for Marcell Ozuna is an unnamed “West Coast” team. LaBumbos ~ not even vaguely probable; Dagos ~ probably not; Seattle ~ maybe; SF has the young pitching (both starters and relievers which Miami covets. Could happen.

  12. zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    Piazza likely took ‘roids, and he’s likely going into the Hall.

  13. chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Breaking news says Sean Payton will remain in New Orleans. He was probably the guy I was most excited about as a potential head coach for the Niners.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Zum,

    Griffey benefits from his HR total, no PED taint and being likable I guess. If you look at his defensive numbers over the last 10 years of his career he wasn’t good in the field. So an overrated glove with early career production gets him in but Kent gets hosed because he’s a red ass.

    • zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      Yeah, I don’t like how writers can use this to stick it to guys they don’t like personally.

  15. Flavor said, on January 6, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    never thought for a min that Payton was coming here. First off, he loves New Orleans. Secondly, he’s still got a serviceable QB in brees (who will restructure deal). Third, why would anyone with any credibility want to come to the SF trainwreck?

    • chipower9 said, on January 6, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      Agree, but there were reports that he was interested in talking to the Niners. Regardless, I agree…I saw little likelihood that he would leave NO for SF.

  16. willedav said, on January 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    Jenkins is high on Cespedes, but I think he’s a real gamble.
    Last year was super, as was first season with A’s, other 2 years more pedestrian.
    His avg. year in AL:
    22 HRs .790 OPS also struck out 450 times in less than 4 full seasons
    For Mets that OPS was over .900

    Hard to guess what you’re getting for x amount of years/greater than $100 mil.
    What type of deal wouldn’t be an overreaction to back of baseball card numbers?

  17. sfsarge said, on January 6, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    How about Cespy signs with Miami who then turns and trades Ozuna out here for some live arms.

    • Bozo said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:31 pm

      I like that idea a lot. Get er done, Sarge.

  18. unca_chuck said, on January 6, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    That’s my fear, Flav. A guy like Shanahan would grab any last shot thrown his way to be a head coach. I do not want him to come here. Holmgren as well. I’d love for them to come back as advisors of some kind but not as the HC.

    Hue Jackson could take a chance and come back seeing as jobs for minorities in the NFL are few and far between. he did a good job with a mediocre Raiders team.

  19. alleykat69 said, on January 6, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Yeah but to me it would of been the perfect time for Sean Payton to bounce out of New Orleans.
    Brees is running on fumes and bald tires and their backup QB is freakin Luke McCown who stinks.
    Saints might even have less overall talent then the 49ers(shit did I just say that)

  20. zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    Griffey and Piazza are in.

    • snarkk said, on January 6, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      So, these writers know for sure that these two dudes never used PEDS, right? That has to be the case, because if they don’t know for sure, IMO those two guys have to be treated by the unsure writers the same as Bonds. This process is a joke…

      • alleykat69 said, on January 6, 2016 at 4:47 pm

        Agree Snarkk!!
        And how in hell does Griffey end up with the highest % ever at 93%??
        They sure had bias prejudice against Willie Mays back in the day, cause he automatically 100 percent in my book!
        Best ever alltime..

  21. zumiee said, on January 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Bonds 44%, Kent 16%
    Clemens 45%

  22. blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    Very simple solution – can the writers and have a statistical algorithm(s) for pitchers, position players, and relief pitchers to get in. Obviously, this wasn’t possible in the Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth days, but now they have every frickin’ thing they do on the field evaluated stat wise, including park factors (which would eliminate the faux players like Todd Helton from getting in). As AK pointed out, Mays not in at 100% is a joke. I would imagine Willie is still doing a slow burn about that.

    Hall of farce until this is fixed in my opinion.

    • djloo27 said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      There are numerous other guys that should’ve been 100%, because there is no possible argument against them. You can start with Aaron & Seaver…

      • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:16 pm

        Yep. Agree Loo.

    • gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm

      Blade, the writers have chips on their shoulders and grudges about others. And certainly the majority are not voting in anyone they have already decided are guilty of steroid use…

      • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm

        Yeah, agree GH. Again, the entire process is broken.

  23. gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    I think I posted I would do 4 years $60 mill tops for Gordon…so I am happy not to have him.

    I think Cespedes waits till he gets a big her deal than this. Parra at 3 years $40 mill I think is beyond fair in this market…

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:25 pm

      Actually, I think Cespedes, et. al., will all go lower on their demands. Gordon finally stopped paying attention to his delusional agent (or whomever was telling him he was worth much, much more) and got reasonable. The rest of these guys will start recognizing the same. That being said, I will not be surprised if someone replaces the Red Sox as the poster boy for dumb shit contracts (see HanRam and Panda)

      • gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:32 pm

        If Cespedes does not get the bigger contract, I bet he gets more per year than Gordon did with a shorter deal.

    • chipower9 said, on January 7, 2016 at 7:59 am

      Parra made about 6 mil last year. His OBP is not that great, and the stats show that his defensive skills are diminishing. I still would like him for depth (plays all three OF positions and hits lead-off). But 3/40 is outrageous for him. I would say 10/year, tops. 3 years at 24-27 is more reasonable…but no more than 9 per, IMO.

  24. djloo27 said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    Here’s a new one, I guess:

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/1/6/10725152/sf-giants-trade-rumors-marcell-ozuna?ref=yfp

    • gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:36 pm

      I would jump all over Osuna for Arroyo, who is expendable now, and one of our young arms not top 5.

      But I would think Dodgers would be the more likely west coast team who would likely be trying to move Puig and also get their hands on Jose Fernandez…

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:57 pm

      I really like Brisbee’s columns and would absolutely be down with Ozuna coming here. Hope it happens.

  25. gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    Blade and Fav, besides the stock, put $50 on Redskins vs. Chiefs at 200-1 odds:) That will pay a nice $10k…

    • gianthead said, on January 6, 2016 at 5:58 pm

      Skins at Steelers at 85-1 is a nice number as well…Patriots are going down and if Redskins take care of business at home this week, they have a shot at an upset against the Panthers and that would get them into the NFC Champ.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 6:01 pm

      HAHAHA . . . What I didn’t say GH is that currently I am down $17 thousand dollars and change on my Apple purchase (i.e., even though I dollar cost averaged – my cost basis is $112.33 @ 1500 shares). Fortunately, it’s all unrealized losses, but nevertheless, I can’t afford $50 right now. 😦

  26. Bozo said, on January 6, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    Y’all probably already read this from Pav, and I apologize if someone already posted it.
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/gordon-gone-patient-giants-still-have-options-left-field?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

    • blade3colorado said, on January 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      No, I hadn’t read this clown . . . Great article (and insights, especially about the Giants being patient), thanks for sharing John.

    • chipower9 said, on January 7, 2016 at 8:11 am

      Had not seen this…good read. Thanks, Clown.

  27. xoot said, on January 6, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    My relatively modest investments in the stock market have flown up and down tens of thousands of dollars the past year. Gambling’s excitement diminishe with age.

    As to the HOF, it appears that the BWAHAHA voters slowly are realizing the corner they’ve black balled themselves into. Those writers either saw the roid era and declined to report it to protect their jobs, or they were idiots watching the players day by day but failed to see what was happening. Now those spineless hypocrites see how untenable their no vote will be. So they’re slowly changing their votes. Bonds and Clemens will get in, eventually. Bonds should’ve had 100% vote his first year.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 7, 2016 at 7:00 am

      Well, the next couple of weeks are going to be a roller coaster. Chinese equities sunk for the 2nd time in a week, whereby “circuit breakers” stopped trading. Actually, I’m glad this is happening – looking for the S&P to get down to August lows (1867 resistance) and get back into an index fund when the markets correct.

  28. unca_chuck said, on January 6, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    GH, Cincy is playing the steelers, but 85-1 is generous with Ginger hurt. AJ McCarron is no great shakes out there.

    • Macdog said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:06 pm

      I think it’s 85-1 for a Skins-Steelers Super Bowl.

  29. djloo27 said, on January 6, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    How about a KC-GB rematch of the very first AFL-NFL Championship game?

  30. eddacker said, on January 7, 2016 at 6:50 am

    nice personal piece by Starlin Castro:

    http://www.theplayerstribune.com/starlin-castro-cubs-yankees/

  31. willedav said, on January 7, 2016 at 7:06 am

    I’ve read reports about LA making a big deal with marlins, but trading Puig (or Ethier or Crawford) to them would likely mean Mattingly bolts before ink is dry and they are looking for a new mgr.


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