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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 19, 2016

This Justin Upton thing is….wow.

133 million? For what? This is a guy who has barely hit 30 home runs one time. So he’s not really a big power bat. He hasn’t stolen 20 bases in 5 years. His attitude is marginal, at best.

At least he got a partial no-trade and you can guarantee the Giants are on that list because he “hates” playing in SF.

The Tigers are reminding me of the Angels of a few years ago. Good luck with all that.

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  1. gianthead said, on January 19, 2016 at 6:24 am

    and who exactly were the Tigers competing against to sign him???? I don’t see anyone else putting more than $80 mill for 4 years on the table for him…so the Tigers likely spent an extra $50 mill for no reason…ridiculous.

    I hope the Astros sign Cespedes…would be a great lineup with him and would like to see them win the AL…what are the Giants vs. Stros WS line????? :)))

  2. gianthead said, on January 19, 2016 at 6:25 am

    and what about that Dubs complete humiliation of the Cavs last night???? That SPurs game is going ot be intense (if Pop plays his whole team)…

    • Lurker John said, on January 19, 2016 at 7:32 am

      That was awesome. Ran ’em right out of their own gym. But we didn’t see the “real” Cavs, so it doesn’t really count. Started hearing that in the 3rd quarter. Kyrie wasn’t at 100%. Lol The Spurs game should be rockin’.

      • Flavor said, on January 19, 2016 at 7:41 am

        so Kyrie’s always hurt when Cle plays GS? Starting to become a pattern….

  3. Lurker John said, on January 19, 2016 at 7:29 am

    I was thinking the exact same thing, Flav. This guy’s worth maybe half that. Whatever, it’s their dough. If I was a Tigers fan I’d be asking some hard questions though.

  4. Bozo said, on January 19, 2016 at 7:39 am

    I guess the plus side for Detroit is that Upton won’t be the main guy in that lineup. So that might help his stats some and he will add to that Roster by probably batting 5th. He replaces Goes in LF, so Detroit has to be happy about that.
    On the other side of the coin, Detroit now has mainly a RHer lineup so that’s weird and that contract? The dude would be nuts to opt out after two years, so Detroit will be stuck with him for 6 years.

    It’s now clear to me that Detroit’s management is drinking the water from Flint.

    • Flavor said, on January 19, 2016 at 7:43 am

      I think the owner just doesn’t give a shit about how much payroll is. Same thing in LA (Angels and Art Dealers)

    • Carstie Clausen said, on January 19, 2016 at 10:11 am

      Luv your line about drinking the water from Flint.

      • Bozo said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:38 am

        I read where a GM plant in Flint stopped using the city water because it was degrading engine parts. Yeah, that water is safe.

  5. willedav said, on January 19, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Saw this comment on cbs site re: Cavs felt dissed about Curry’s champagne comment:

    2mins4whining: So what does LeBron have to say now? He told us all he’d have an answer after the game, which is good because he sure didn’t have any answer DURING the game.

  6. chipower9 said, on January 19, 2016 at 9:58 am

    And in today’s headlines, exactly 29 days until pitchers and catchers report for your San Francisco Giants…

  7. blade3colorado said, on January 19, 2016 at 10:25 am

    Besides ensuring that his pizza franchise is located in every U.S. city, Mike Ilitch only cares about winning a World Series before he dies . . . tick tock tick tock. He turns 87 sometime in July.

    Little known fact . . . Ilitch purchased the Detroit Tigers in 1992 from fellow pizza magnate Tom Monaghan – the founder of Domino’s Pizza – for baseball was a sport that he had played as a youth. Under his ownership, the Tigers logged losing records in twelve out of thirteen seasons before their turnaround in 2006.

  8. blade3colorado said, on January 19, 2016 at 10:44 am

    CNBC is reporting Texas AG is indicating that DFS is gambling. Boo!

  9. Bozo said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Off Topic – The NOLA Jazz Fest lineup came out today for those of you into that sort of thing. Me, I’m drooling at that schedule like it was a rare T-Bone steak. I love me some April.

  10. chipower9 said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:12 am

    For those interested in the specifics for the Jazz Fest:


    Holy shit! Who ISN’T going to be there…

    • Bozo said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:30 am

      We’ve already booked a place for both weekends, so I’ll be there.

      • chipower9 said, on January 19, 2016 at 12:16 pm

        I am jealous as hell…cannot make it this year. Enjoy John…how could one not.

    • Bozo said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:32 am

      Here is the lineup for each day (just pick a day tab). I don’t see a weak day in the lot.

  11. willedav said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:43 am

    One of the nice things about J Up going to AL is making the Pads worse again.
    He led team in walks SBs (19 vs. 5 CS) HRs with 26 slugging and OPS .790.
    This for a team that was 10th in runs scored in NL and dead last in OB.
    Alexi Ramirez isn’t going to make up for that.

    Interesting read on link from Blade re: Stark and all the crummy teams projected in NL, including 2 in the West with Pads and Rox. Incumbent on Giants to kick some ass and take names here. iirc Rox gave them a lot of trouble last year, even at ATT…DBax too I think and they will definitely be much improved, at least every 5th day.

  12. unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:52 am

    Yeah, the Rockies always seem to fuck with us. Some of our weirdest losses come at their hands.

    Fucking Sherpas.

  13. Flavor said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:57 am

    Pads weirdo run at the NL West died as quick as it started. Talk about a team with no plan

  14. zumiee said, on January 19, 2016 at 11:59 am

    I started reading a new biography of Ty Cobb, by Charles Leerhsen. His main idea in the book is that Cobb has been turned into kind of a cartoon character by earlier biographers and the Tommie Lee Jones movie about Cobb. Leerhsen’s goal is to present a more balanced portrayal of Cobb. The writing is excellent. The author is very good at capturing the reader’s interest. I didn’t have a burning desire to read a book about Cobb, but I saw the author interviewed on the MLB Network, and he came across as an interesting dude. My favorite type of baseball books are the ones that give a descriptive and insightful look at the society and culture of the times depicted in the book, in addition to all the baseball stuff, and this one does that.
    This is really a golden era of baseball books. Terrific books are being published every year.

  15. zumiee said, on January 19, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    Some unhappy Cav fans got captured on video yesterday:

  16. blade3colorado said, on January 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Pete Rose isn’t getting into the Hall Of Fame anytime soon . . . However, he was just inducted into the Cincinnati Reds Hall Of Fame (who knew?). I cracked up when I read this exchange from some reporter and him regarding his Cincy HOF induction . . .

    “The Reds will unveil a statue honoring Rose at a later date. Rose was asked what he’d want the statue to portray.

    “Well, I sure as hell don’t want it to be me standing at the $2 window at Turfway,” he said, poking fun of his gambling reputation.”

    • chipower9 said, on January 19, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      LMAO…great quote.

      • snarkk said, on January 19, 2016 at 4:14 pm

        Pete is a dude that has had a lifelong gambling addiction, who happened to be an MLB player. He couldn’t quit, even with a HOF spot as a carrot to quit. I usually would give an addicted person slack, but this guy has had plenty of chances and time to get right, but hasn’t. He loves gambling more than being in the HOF. So, no feeling sorry for him from my POV…

      • zumiee said, on January 19, 2016 at 8:15 pm

        It’s beyond ridiculous that Pete never stopped gambling on baseball, and still griped about being banned from MLB and the Hall of Fame ballot. I feel sorry for all the people who wasted their energy promoting Pete to be reinstated, and to be on the Hall of Fame ballot over the years. They have to feel like they wasted a lot of time on someone who didn’t appreciate any of their effort. Pete should get some kind of dubious award for being that tone-deaf. A plastic dog turd on a plaque or something.

  17. unca_chuck said, on January 19, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Yeah, Pete threw everyone under the bus that stood up for him, all to sell his book. Style fucking Weasel doesn’t even come close.

  18. Flavor said, on January 20, 2016 at 6:12 am

    well, there are dumb baseball players. And then there’s Pete Rose. He *went all in* on his stats and while those were HOF worthy it was pretty lame of him to think that he could brazenly live his life however he chose and not think anyone would care about that. MAYBE if he had changed he could have gotten in.
    Bottom line though is that Pete Rose doesn’t care much about getting into the HOF. And I can actually appreciate that a little bit……

  19. chipower9 said, on January 20, 2016 at 7:08 am

    28 days (FOUR fucking weeks) until pitchers and catchers report. Baseball is in the air!

    I can already smell the aroma of a Sheboygan brat loaded with onions and kraut mixing with the smell of fresh cut grass…

    • Flavor said, on January 20, 2016 at 7:19 am

      you headed out to ST with your daughter?

      • chipower9 said, on January 20, 2016 at 10:19 am

        I am on the fence this year. My daughter cannot go (still paying taxes for last year…benefit of owning her own salon).

        I really want to go, though, as this is about as excited as I have been about a Giants team coming out of ST.

  20. willedav said, on January 20, 2016 at 7:41 am

    File under better late than never:
    Chron guy J Shea column today—Should Giants revisit Bumgarner’s deal?
    How long ago did Loo first talk about this?

    • eddacker said, on January 20, 2016 at 8:15 am

      does this explain why the front office is holding off on a power batting outfielder?
      it certainly is time.

  21. willedav said, on January 20, 2016 at 8:48 am

    Shea said Bum’s deal is 5 yrs for $35 mil through 2017 with club options for ’18 and ’19 at $12mil…which is what Peavy makes now. With addition of Cueto and samrdz, Bum is lowest paid out of the 5 if you count Cain and Peavy. Does seem a little odd…

    Not to start more noise over contracts, but Belt at whatever figure he and team agree on (to hopefully avoid arb mess) is still hella bargain. Last year he was 3.9WAR player and led team in slugging (as befits Mr. OPS). He had 33 doubles, and more XBHs than Posey.
    While he has not figured out how to hit as many HRs at home (still think he could go opp field) he did have 13 on the road.
    Until someone emerges to run Posey off C full time, Belt’s solid part of homegrown great defensive IF.

  22. Irish Kevin said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:06 am

    In the Chron yesterday there was a article on the DH in the NL, they could not predict when it would happen but it is going to happen someday

    • zumiee said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:17 am

      The super-high salaries are determining this. Back when Buster’s leg was broken, BF wrote that there would be rules written to prevent high-paid players from being injured like that, and it took a couple of years, but the rules got written. The players are such a huge monetary investment for the teams now, that they want the needless injuries stopped. And Wainwright blowing out his achilles running to first base is still resonating throughout the front offices of the NL. With the incredibly high salaries pitchers are getting now, no one wants to lose their pitcher trying to bat or run the bases.
      It penalizes a good hitter like MadBum, but then again, the Giants could still play the game without the DH when MadBum pitches.
      I prefer the NL game, with the double-switches and more managerial decisions regarding relievers, but the tide seems to be turning.

      • zumiee said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:21 am

        The argument for the DH adding more offense to the game is a secondary issue to the NL.

    • chipower9 said, on January 20, 2016 at 10:22 am

      I absolutely cringe at the thought. It is such an abomination of the game as it was intended to be played. If that day comes, it will be a VERY SAD DAY.

  23. unca_chuck said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I don’t think it’ll change for the foreseeable future.

    I think there are a LOT of people involved in the game that want to keep the difference between the leagues.

    Regardless of all the owner and now player whining. Wainwright’s a pussy. Work a deal to the AL if you don’t want to hit, you baby. Or just stand there with the bat on your shoulder. I mean really, I’d say 99.95% of injuries suffered by pitchers happen when they are pitching, not hitting.

    Shit, Randy Johnson’s career ended on a fielding injury. Do we preclude pitchers from playing defense? Horse shit.

    • zumiee said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:31 am

      I see your point, but these starting pitchers are routinely getting 5 years/100 million now or more. We’re probably just one more major injury away from something happening. Kershaw, at 30 million a year, getting his hand broken on a hit-batsman or something.

  24. unca_chuck said, on January 20, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Okay, I HOPE it won’t change for the foreseeable future. All these players are subject to injury batting. Seems stupid to change the rules over this of all the reasons. But I ain’t a poor billionaire owner paying these guys millions to play a game.

  25. chipower9 said, on January 20, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Here is the link to the article on the DH that Kevin mentioned…


    • Macdog said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:02 am

      This is kind of a dumb point in the Shea article: “….of the 10 teams scoring the fewest runs and hitting the fewest home runs last season, seven came from the NL.” Gee, really? I’m shocked all 10 teams aren’t from the NL.

  26. blade3colorado said, on January 20, 2016 at 10:52 am

    Unca, Johnson injured his shoulder hitting. In fact, I was at the July game when he did it. One of the best seats I’ve ever had too, almost directly behind the backstop 5-6 rows back. He looked hilarious on the swing where he injured himself. See this link:


    Actually, he did pitch in the bullpen after being on the DL for awhile . . . Then retired.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 20, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      I thought he hurt his shoulder making a diving throw on a slow roller past the mound.

  27. Macdog said, on January 20, 2016 at 10:58 am

    I remember Yanks pitcher Chien-Ming Wang got hurt running the bases in a game at Houston, when the ‘Stros were still in the NL, and the Yanks weren’t too thrilled about that. I don’t think Wang was ever the same after the injury.

  28. blade3colorado said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:02 am

    Hitting is dangerous – just ask any bird . . .

    • alleykat69 said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:53 am

      That video is hilarious Blade. Thanks for sharing!
      Wasn’t that a ST game in Arizona? And the Unit took a bunch of shit from the endangered Seagull Socitey for pulverizeing that bird , even though it was a act of God who sent that bird on a suicide mission!!

  29. zumiee said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:47 am

    One of the pundits on the MLB Network said one of the more mystifying and/or dumb things ever said. He said: “The Players Union would like the DH in the National League because it would create 15 new jobs.” Huh?

    • xoot said, on January 20, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      I’ve heard variations of that comment all week. They mean 15 new well-paid jobs. (Rare for a rookie or arb eligible player to fill the DH spot on the bench.)

  30. zumiee said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:50 am

    I would like the DH to stay out of the NL, but the owners periodically remind us that it’s THEIR game, and they’ll do what they want to without any input from the fans. Sports fans have to be some of the the least surveyed customers in consumer history.
    There are polls that show that NL fans are overwhelming against the DH coming to the NL, but that’s not what will factor in the owners’ thinking. The owners will each make their own choice based on whatever criteria is floating around in their heads.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 20, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      Excellent points Zumiee. Me? I haven’t seen the need for a new rule since they installed fences around the outfield and mandated that outfielders bring their gloves into the dugout versus what they use to do – leave them on the field.

  31. blade3colorado said, on January 20, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    Off topic – Equity markets have been absolutely wacko today. Dow down more than 530 . . . S&P and NASDAQ similarly waaaaaaaay down and now both, look like they will end the day positive. At one point, I was down about $12k and now, I am up a few thousand. I never take this shit seriously, since it’s all paper losses or gains, but nevertheless, I’ve only seen a few days like this, where the market went completely south into “bear” territory and then came back; i.e., our economy and stock market are fine, but this oil, China, and geopolitical powderkeg is affecting sentiment. In short, the best thing to do is ignore it and hold pat.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 20, 2016 at 1:59 pm

      What’s scary is when you start thinking about retirement, and realize that how much yoi have will depend on the state of the economy at that particular time. granted one should be diverse, but if the economy is inte shitter, all that could very well be in the shitter as well.

      • djloo27 said, on January 20, 2016 at 2:46 pm

        A few years back, I read how much they say a person will need in order to retire. The number was so far out of reach that I did the only smart thing I could think of – I gave up…

      • Flavor said, on January 20, 2016 at 8:06 pm

        Loo, as usual you slayed me with this post. It’s not POTD material for some reason, but epic in a non-honorary sort of way.

  32. Bozo said, on January 20, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    DH? Since the 2000 world series the NL and AL have each won 8. The AL may score more runs during the regular season but the games also take longer (something MLB is trying to fix). So in an effort to shorten the games and to eliminate the disparity of runs and HRs between the leagues maybe MLB should be thinking about dropping the DH.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on January 20, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      they should; they won’t

  33. pawliekokonuts said, on January 20, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    I see the Giants have Darren Ford back. That game against the Rockies. 2010. Enough to cement a place in Giants’ lore.

  34. pawliekokonuts said, on January 20, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    I can’t even keep my Uptons straight. Who is Melvin? What was his name before that? Which one is better? Who cares.

    • Flavor said, on January 20, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      that’s BJ. He sucks. Welcome home?

  35. alleykat69 said, on January 20, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    Personally the only Upton I care about is Kate..

  36. zumiee said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:21 am

    Upton Sinclair is pretty cool.

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