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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 21, 2016

Chi, how many more days till pitchers and catchers report?

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  1. chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 7:23 am


    I am SO ready for some baseball…

    It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. A Bartlett Giamatti

  2. chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 7:26 am

    I think I have mentioned before that this is the most excited that I have been about a Giants team going into ST in a very long time. I really like the off-season moves to shore-up the starting rotation. Sure, Cain, and to some extent Peavey, are question marks, but they could just as easily surprise as they could flame out.

    I like the Span acquisition, too. The starting nine looks SOLID.

    I really cannot wait to be sitting at the yard on Opening Day. Cold beer and brat in tow, and to hear those oh so magical words…”Play ball!”

  3. blade3colorado said, on January 21, 2016 at 7:52 am

    Props to the Buffalo Bills and Rex Ryan (especially) for hiring Kathryn Smith as a quality control assistant, which would make her “the first full-time female assistant coach in NFL history.”

    • unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:06 am

      I thought AZ did that last year.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:13 am

        Nope. Jen Welter was a temporary assistant in training camp under Arians.

    • willedav said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:21 am

      Does the Hammon gal still help Pop?
      SA will be here Monday.
      Warriors destroyed Bulls too, impressive end to road trip.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:32 am

        Yes. In fact, the Spurs also assigned her as a head coach in the NBA Las Vegas summer league last year . . . and Hammon led the Spurs to the League title.

  4. willedav said, on January 21, 2016 at 7:56 am

    My godson (Pads fan) from SD hits ST for a few days, quite enjoys it.
    Maybe it’s that regular season that, well….

    What would be issues for Giants to sort out? Pagan take to LF full time? What to do with kids Williamson and Parker?
    Cain and Heston roles? Susac and C depth? Pen arm come forward to take a spot?

    Saw on yahoo today that one J Feri (NY Times guy?) has written “Up Up and Away…” definitive history of Expos. Sounds like good read. Also that BP 2016 is out.
    iirc Montreal was home to Dodgers AAA farm team. Early days of Expos in the NL were also glory years for Canadiens.
    Once saw a report that local daily papers had 3 different guys following Canadiens…in July.

  5. pawliekokonuts said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:51 am

    Yeah, I am home, Magnus. Wrapping up an insta-book of the journey. NOT going to AZ for ST now. I AM quasi-semi-para-retired. I live simply: dandelion leaves, Dumpster scraps, bartering, panhandling [kidding, girls; kidding]. But Carstie is the Thoreau of this bunch.

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 9:10 am

      Welcome home. Looking forward to the insta-book, Pawlie.

    • Flavor said, on January 21, 2016 at 9:12 am

      looking forward to reading/hearing about the quick trip through the darkness.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on January 21, 2016 at 10:08 am

        C’mon Flav: What you really wanna hear is details on the long-legged blondes and redheads. Of course it could be kinda hard to make out details in the darkness.

      • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:15 pm

        Yes…I want to hear all the tails and see all the picts of the exquisite Icelandic two-legged split-tail deer…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on January 21, 2016 at 10:06 am

      Pawlie: Soons you got your butt outta Iceland, the 36 below zero stuff kinda went away from here. Any connexion or is this just an overworked imagination?

      Actually it got so cold Sunday morning that the two front Nordeasts i was keeping coolish in their 12-pack on the kitchen floor managed to freeze and frizzle. ice-beer anybody? By Saturday it’s sposta get close to 30 ABOVE zero. Go figure.

  6. snarkk said, on January 21, 2016 at 9:01 am

    Looks like I may be in AZ end Feb. Probably miss games, but could take in the workouts, etc.

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 9:08 am

      Yep. First game is March 2 against the Angels, in Scottsdale.

  7. chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 9:08 am

    Willie – in answer to your Qs at 7:56:

    Here is how I think things shake out for the club re your questions:

    Parker or Williamson will be the 5th OFer. I have said before, and still believe, that Parker wins this out of ST.
    Cain – one of the starting five.
    Heston – long relief (Petit’s role last year).
    Susac is more than capable as a back-up. I think a number of teams would take him in a heartbeat. He is inquired about often in trade talks.

    Outside of this, and on the contingent that everyone stays healthy, I think the 25 is fairly set. Here is my guess on the 25:



    Starting Position Players


    I am not crazy about Adrianza, but he is on the 40, so unless they move him in a trade, I believe he is out of options, and I just do not see the Giants cutting bait on him. If Arroyo has a good spring, he may force the issue with management on creating a spot for him.

    As mentioned, I think the 5th OF position is up for grabs, and my pick of Parker is purely based on AAA production, and more so on how he and Williamson performed at the end of the year.

  8. unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 10:16 am

    Let’s see if I can get these to post.

    Fuck wordpress. ain’t letting me post the pics.

    Found a coupe programs from a 1991 Old timer’s day where the Giants and Cubs played in 1921 style unis.

    Matt Williams came out after BP with a pillow stuffed in his jersey and re-enacted the Babe Ruth called shot.

    Funny shit.

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:16 pm

      I have seen those before…great stuff. The one of Williams was especially good…

  9. blade3colorado said, on January 21, 2016 at 10:39 am

    Chuck, I think especially you can appreciate the talent of Larry Fitzgerald (one of my favorite players of all time). Here is an article that details his greatness . . .


    Maybe I’m the only one who thinks he would be rated the best or near the best wide receiver ever, if not for the fact, he was saddled with some of the worst quarterbacks ever, sans Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer. Both of whom by the way – Fitz got late in their careers.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Great article. I’ve always respected Fitzgerald as a player and loved watching him as a WR.

      That list of QBs is spectacularly awful minus a couple guys.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 10:49 am

    So what do you all think about Belt going to arbitration. Would you support a Crawford type deal (6 @ $75)? He’d be stupid to take it in my opinion. Where would you place his value?

    Pawlie, What’s the deal with the fairies in Iceland? See any? Were there any major industrial accidents attributed to them during your trip?

    • willedav said, on January 21, 2016 at 11:50 am

      Dirt, I’d be really surprised Giants did any long term deal with Belt. I like the guy, but realistically you have to wonder how much longer Posey Cs before he moves to 1b. And Belt is not an OF, so I’d say he gets at least one more arb year.

      Giants also might still be waiting for a full healthy season from Belt to get better idea of what they really have.
      He’s had the freakiest injuries that have derailed past couple years at some point, so you have to wonder what a full season numbers would look like.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:01 pm

        Fair point on wanting a healthy season to get a better gauge on him. I’d try and buy low if I were Sabeavans.

      • zumiee said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:04 pm

        And a lot of these guys that Sabean/Evans are getting locked into deals are young married guys, with young children. They’re open to getting some long-term financial security right now, as opposed to waiting for free agency. Belt fits that profile.

      • willedav said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:16 pm

        Not to mention, any long term deal where SF is paying Belt $75 mil would trigger Flap uproar.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm

        haha, yeah that is probably true wiliedav

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:20 pm

      So, let me get this right. If the Giants are offering Belt around 6-7 in arbitration, and he has had a very hard time staying healthy for a full season, why in the hell would the Giants want to offer him six years at 12-13 per?

      No way I want him locked-up long term. I say waddle through the arb process this year, and see what you get. Perhaps a solid full year changes my tune, but as WillieD said, at some point Posey will move to playing more and more 1st base, and Belt is NOT an OFer (I don’t care how much he played there for Texas in college).

  11. zumiee said, on January 21, 2016 at 11:55 am

    In reading, I sometimes have more than one book going at a time; I’ve also been reading the Jerry West autobiography. What an intense, brilliant, talented, and odd and sometimes perplexing guy he is. The book was published in 2011, well before the Warriors’ recent championship, obviously; and I have no doubt he was a key to the Warriors getting that championship, and maybe more in the very near future.
    I found a connection with West from early in the book. We both lost our older brothers, both dying at age 21. My brother in a car wreck, and West’s brother in the Korean War. I was 16 at the time of my brother’s passing, and West was 13. It takes a few years to absorb that kind of thing, and you never truly “get over it,” but just find a way to go forward in life. And as you get older, of course, you realize that a LOT of people have to deal with tragedy in their families. You get more perspective, in that sense, in getting older. Still, you ponder what could have been.
    The West book is very good; he had help with a writer, Jonathan Coleman, which is fine; the book retains West’s voice, but has good literary quality to it.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      Sorry for your loss Evan. Your message really touched me and I sent you an email. Take care, Steve.

  12. alleykat69 said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    Yeah Blade I’ve always liked Larry Fitzgerald , he never takes a play off, great work ethics, like The Best did Jerry Rice, and his off season charity work is unmatchable. Plus he took the time right after their win against the Pack to shout a thumbs up to Chris Mortenson who’s battling lung cancer. Larry is the real deal IMO!!

  13. unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    I think they go with a 3 year take-it-or-leave-it deal with Belt. 3/$27 millor something.

    I’m not sure there’s a lot of interest in him anyway.

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      Love it! Time to start planning the parade down Market Street!

  14. Irish Kevin said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    I have never understood the bad rap people give Belt. So he is not a .300 hitter? He has been hear for all three WS. He plays gold glove defense. What is not to like.

    • djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 12:50 pm

      Not 2010…

      • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:24 pm

        Yep…they still had Huff and his rally thong in 2010…

        Belt is a great defender, but has been inconsistent at the plate. Plus he has a hell of a time staying healthy. I am not giving him a bad rap…just saying I question whether or not he would fit my long-term plans.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Belt is a solid MLB player. WAR 2012-2015 = 2.8, 4.2, 0.9 & 3.9. Upton just got 5 @ $132M for similar production (2.5, 2.9, 3.2 & 4.4). $12-13M per would be pretty damn good value for Belt (provided he stays healthy).

  16. djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    I don’t get the love affair with Susac…

    • chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 2:48 pm

      I am not in love with Susac, but think he is a very serviceable backup backstop. I also think with time he can turn into a good starting catcher.

  17. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    Its hard to judge Susac on the limited ABs he’s had at the MLB level. In the lower levels he’s had some pop but otherwise hasn’t been that impressive. I guess when you’re comparing him against Posey he’s going to seem lacking. Maybe they get some value for him in a deadline move for a left fielder.

  18. chipower9 said, on January 21, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Just saw another bullshit article on the possibility of the DH in the NL. FUCK THAT SHIT!

    I am going to write a letter to the commissioner and also give him a call. Here is his address and phone number if anyone else cares to do the same.

    Robert D. Manfred Jr.
    245 Park Avenue, 31st Floor
    New York, NY 10167
    Phone: 212-931-7800

    I suggest one and all do the same (flood him with letters and calls), and suggest via social media that all of your friends who love NL baseball do the same.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on January 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      Yeah, i read those same mutterings from Boss Selig’s sub, that Manfred man. Man, was i steamed when i read about even a vague possibility of the Dink Hitter rule for all of MLB. We do not want it in the major League, even if the juniors went for it in ’73. Apparently after a top starter went down with a pull last season, the Cardinals’ Walt Mozeliac went over to the enemy. That’s the breaks, man. Players get hurt on a regular basis. Suck it up Walt.

      So far as the players’ union goes, a far more tempting solution would be to up the rosters to 27. It’s part of the 9 sequence as in nine innings and nine men on the field. That would mean a few more young and/or marginal players would be drawing MLB paychecks.

    • Bozo said, on January 21, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      Good info chi.
      Don’t forget the other side of the argument, a call to former player Tony Clark, who is now the Executive Director of the players union may also help.

      Major League Baseball Players Association
      12 East 49th St.
      24th Floor
      New York, NY 10017
      (212) 826-0808

      I think it’s probably already a done deal (I thought back at the start of interleague play it was to introduce the DH to the NL) but fuck it, blanket these blood sucking bastards.

  19. alleykat69 said, on January 21, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    Damm Right Chi!!
    Flap Nation is not taking this BS DH lightly!!!
    Fuck the DH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    Are fans really clamoring for the DH to come to the NL? I’m not running any surveys or anything but it doesn’t seem like it to me. Its not about high salary pitchers getting injured while hitting or pace of the game either. Our esteemed colleague, Bozo, made a valid point the other day that removing the DH speeds up the game and one could just as easily make the argument that pitchers are more susceptible to injury facing deeper line ups that force them to throw more pitches per game. This is all bullshit for the haggling that will take place over the collective bargaining agreement which expires December 31, 2016.

    • Bozo said, on January 21, 2016 at 3:51 pm

      Thanks Dirt. That’s the argument I’m sticking with.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:03 pm

        No problem. I’ve had that same thought about speeding up the game. They could also have 10 less commercials a game and shave some time off. Or maybe do away with the god bless America renditions in the 7th. Somehow I don’t see any of these happening and the league is going to cram the DH down our pie hole so some 1 dimensional chumps can extend their careers. Can’t field a position? GTFO as far as I’m concerned.

    • ewisco said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm

      I actually looked at the various dh’s in the box scores a lot of days. I was thinking of doing a stable boy report. What sticks out to me is how many .230-.260 hitters were dh’ing in the bottom of various lineups. There were only a couple of what I’ll call “legitimate” dh’ers on any given day. So until someone can explain to me what a vast improvement this is over the increased strategy of the NL, I just don’t understand why anyone would consider bringing the dh to the NL. The correct answer was noted above : increase the roster to 27-28. I mean if u want to add more .240 hitters . . .

      • Flavor said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:30 pm

        any time you have a thread to submit, go for it. Just FYI before you do it.

      • xoot said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:31 pm

        ARod was one of those .250 DHs last year. Almost 600 ABs as a DH. 33 HRs.

  21. unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    The fans definitely don’t want it. I’ve run across like 3 out f thousands of fans who I’ve talked to over the 40+ years it has been in place who say that the NL should adopt it.

    But sadly we aren’t part of the equation.

    No one here wants it. Well, except for Nipper.

    • Flavor said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:50 pm

      AL fans are all for it. Every single AL fan I know wants DH over P hitting. Consider that as you’re working yourselves into a lather over this. Lulz

      • unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:00 pm

        Ask your AL fans if they’d like it if the league forced them to go back to no DH.

      • Flavor said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:18 pm

        they would hate it. They have a consistent message of not wanting to see the pitcher bat. That’s the entire argument. And actually, it’s not that bad of an argument.

      • unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:11 pm

        Well, that was the first point. NL fans for the most part want the pitchers hitting. AL fans want the DH.

        My point really is, it ain’t up to the fans.

        Sure we’d all get used to it. But the reasons are dumb. If they are worried about their poor investments, they shouldn’t pay so much. Guys get hurt fielding.

        It’s like the NFL going way too far protecting QBs.

        Whatever. They do this shit without fan input so there’s no reason to worry it.

  22. djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    I don’t care for the DH but I can’t get all twisted about it. Actually, when your best hitter by far is your catcher, it could be “a blessing in the skies” as Johnny Franco once said…

    • Flavor said, on January 21, 2016 at 4:50 pm

      I agree. I don’t want it but won’t really sweat it. We’d get used to it quickly

    • djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm

      Although he was no Ralph Kiner, Franco was a very underrated bungler of words and expressions. In an interview after the Mets won the first game after 9/11, he stated that the team was very moved by the pre-game “festivities”…

  23. gianthead said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    I don’t want the NL turning into a 4 hour batathon that seems to be 80% of AL games…we are built around pitching and defense and that wins championships!! And our DH picks always seem to be Juan Perez types:(

  24. djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    Are there really AL and NL fans anymore? Seems like an outdated concept…

    • unca_chuck said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      Sure there are. Any city with 2 teams especially. Chi, NY and the Bay Area spring to mind.

  25. djloo27 said, on January 21, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    It was sweet having Vlad Guerrero in RF for Texas in the 2010 WS at ATT…

    • Macdog said, on January 21, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      And it sure helped having Morse at DH for Game 7 in ’14.

  26. Macdog said, on January 21, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    An Astros fan I know has now fully taken to the DH, to the point where he was regularly mocking via Facebook those of us who can’t stand it, one of his main points being the strategic part of no-DH is overrated. My standard replay was usually: MadBum.

    • ewisco said, on January 21, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      well you might think that you’re standard argument is that these fabulous hitters are “hitting” .225. that’s the part that doesn’t seem to get any traction. these “hitters” for the most part suck. not all, but an awful lot. it was one thing watching an aging star keep a spot in the lineup by dh’ing. but that’s NOT the case today. these are just journeymen hitters that are notionally better than the pitchers but not in any really meaningful sense. they SUCK. try that.

      • Macdog said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm

        Ha, I may just do that. Every little bit helps.

  27. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 21, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Nice little write up on Randy Moss. I always liked the guy.


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