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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 1, 2016

I’d like to see the news channels around here to go 3 seconds without saying “Super Bowl City”. I don’t think they could do it. There were 2 SEPARATE stories this morning on the freaking pants Cam Newton was wearing when he got off the plane in San Jose yesterday.

Not sure I’m gonna make it through the week with all the bullshit going on here……

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  1. sfsarge said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:02 am

    Time to find a good book to read or something.

  2. Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:07 am

    I saw something on ESPN last night about how SB festivities were kicking off in SF and it just struck me as weird that festivities were there but the game would be 45 miles south of there. Talk about a disconnect. And regarding hype week, the ONLY time you ever love it is when your team is in the SB. Other than that, it’s a waste of time. Even then, by the Niner’s 3 or 4th SB it was more than I could take and things were much less obnoxious then then they are now.

    Nowadays, I wait until about 3:15 on game day before I switch to the game.

  3. Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:17 am

    I’m down with the SB. I’ll definitely watch it and have a rooting interest, monetary and otherwise. I just hate all the bullshit leading up to it. I went in ’85. I know I was still in hs and wasn’t exposed to all the pomp and circumstance before the game, but I have to believe there wasn’t nearly as much pomp and definitely not the oozing puss of circumstance you can find in today’s Super Bowl City…..

    • Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:58 am

      That’s awesome you got to go that game. I just happened to watch it again a few days ago on YouTube. What a great team that was and what utter domination the Niners leveled at the hapless Fins. The late Carl Monroe caught the Niner’s first TD on a great throw-and-catch play.

      I remember in an interview after the game Don Shula being nonplussed and blaming his punter (Reggie Roby, one of the best at the time) over and over for putting them in crappy field position, which he did on 4 straight kicks in the first half, all of which SF converted into TD’s), but that’s not why they lost the game. You ran into a buzz saw, Donny boy, that’s why you lost. I think he was convinced that Marino was going to carve up that defense. Alas, he got his ass kicked.

      Do you think they’d have a game at a place like Stanford Stadium now? I’m thinking no because it was pretty well dilapidated at that point. I read that the NFL liked the venue because they could shoe horn 80,000 fans in there. That was a time before luxury boxes and the like.

      The ’84 Niners always get my vote for the greatest NFL team ever.

      • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:21 am

        my dad bought us tix for the game for my birthday. I think he spent $300 for both of them. We sat up high just off the south endzone. I don’t remember the stadium being dilapidated back then. And I’ve gone to Stanford games regularly since the early 70’s. It was falling apart when they remodeled it in 2005?. I broke off a chunk of the top of the stadium, quite easily, a few weeks before they shut it down for renovation. I put it in the living room on a table at my house.

  4. ewisco said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:38 am

    flavor snubs super bowl city! what won’t he snub? film at 5!

    • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:45 am

      “What won’t he snub?” Gold…

  5. willedav said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:47 am

    Gal who works at Levi’s and will be at SB came in store other day. She said they have to meet at 8:30 that day, get shuttled into a parking lot, then go through security yada yada. Also said they are not allowed to buy any food or drink from vendors and instead food is set up for them. She was disappointed Niners were so bad and it affected stadium vibe. When I mentioned Steve Young group as owners she agreed wholeheartedly it’d be a good thing.

    Snarkk and Pawlie, I’ll disagree on Pagan. Simple reason, he didn’t want to come out of the LU and said so publicly as late as July, and imo blocked Giants from putting him on the DL. After the first month of season his offensive stats plummeted, and his defense was generally regarded as one of worst of all CF in baseball.

    So, in other words, he sucked for better part of 4 months but refused to acknowledge it and get proper treatment or admit he was hurting the team by being in there. Once he did get something done he finished season much better in last month.

    As I’ve said before, I’m interested to see how Giants plan to play the OF and if Pagan is fully on board with being in LF, and if he’d abide hitting 8th behind Span Panik Duffy Posey Pence Belt Craw.

    • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:51 am

      Agreed. And I’m tired of Pagan calling all the shots. It’s like he’s Frank Sinatra or something. Hey now.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:13 am

      Pagan has earned the 8th spot.

    • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:01 am

      I read a couple of pieces when the Giants signed Span that said the Giants had conversations with Pagan before they signed Span, and he was told that he would be playing LF, and that he was “onboard” with the plan.

      And I agree, he should bat 8th.

      Depending on how they are going, I can see flipping Craw and Belt.

  6. Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:07 am

    Somebody riddle me this. How does someone design and build a $1.6 billion (alleged) state of the art stadium and NOT make fan access a critical component of that design? By all accounts, this is one of the major issues plaguing the park, in addition to others. It’s almost like they thought that stuff would sort itself out. In their rush to build their crown jewel, the 49er brass boned the fans big time. The NFL is going to great lengths to ease that bottleneck for this game, with shuttles and all kinds of other amenities. Whose ever fault it really was, the more time goes by the more I hate the location chosen for this stadium. It should be within SF city limits.

    Candlestick was hard to get in and out of, but it sounds like it was cakewalk compared to Levis.

    • willedav said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:37 am

      I think Chuck went to a few games and I’ve talked to other friends who went to games that didn’t seem to think it was big deal. Of course, this year attendance was down quite a bit and I’m sure many who went left early.
      Plenty of complaints have been made tho, sure. And of course Killion rags on the yard and team all the time.

      LJ, there is just no way on God’s gray earth a new football stadium was ever gonna get built in SF once prime fixers Willie Brown and Eddie D were out of the loop. Right or wrong SF voters were not gonna pay for it, and the progressive Supes would have raised tremendous opposition to any backdoor deal. As is, there is still a Santa Clara faction that fight Niners every chance they get over City Council bending over to accommodate something, like in the youth Soccer field mess.

      • Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 12:30 pm

        I guess with the Warriors looking like they’re going to be building right up the street from AT&T that the 49ers could’ve gotten something done. The team is huge in the Bay Area. I’m glad ingress and egress isn’t as bad as it’s been made out to be. It’s hard to tell from blogs and the like, though a couple of SFGate beat writers have commented on it as well.

  7. blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:51 am

    Going to throw some “red meat” to Chi and Bozo. Another clown (sorry John) wanting the DH in the NL. Cracking up because the author of this piece isn’t even out of college yet; and, points out he has been a fan forever. Umm, quick simple math means he’s been a fan for maybe 15 years max.


    • blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:52 am

      By the by, great thread Flav . . . Almost lost my coffee via my nose laughing a few minutes ago. 🙂

    • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      That boy is still wet behind the ears…WTF does he know about the game and the DH. Shit, he was probably in diapers when the AL adopted this abomination of the world’s most beautiful game.

  8. unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:54 am

    Some friends of ours are here from Denver, so we went to Super bowl city. And it is pretty much what you’d expect. Overpriced crap and long lines for it. Corporate buildings with lines to get into them. We didn’t get anything or go into any of the buildings, but just walked around. Nice enough day, so that was cool. We ended up on the patio at Pier 23.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:58 am

    I drive up Lafayette and go right past Levi’s every morning. It is sort of interesting to see the increased security presence. Last week they practiced harassing pedestrians. This morning there were 4 Humvees near the VTA & Caltrain station. I don’t have a strong feeling either way but it seems a bit excessive. I wonder if they’ll be passing out gas masks when the offshore breeze brings in the sweet, sweet smell of Milpitas.

    • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:18 am

      I’m not sure they could be *excessive* in the security of any of this. Not in today’s world. Way too many unknowns out there to not go full-protection mode.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:29 am

        I can see that argument and don’t disagree to an extent. I also think that it contributes to the general paranoia of the American public and adds to misguided foreign policy.

      • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:06 am

        I am with Flavor on this one…with an event of this magnitude, public safety has to be paramount, and how in the hell does that relate to “misguided foreign policy?”

        I think most Americans welcome beefed-up security for these mega events, as the horrors of the Boston Marathon bombing and other such issues are fresh in our minds.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:09 am

        As I said, chi. “I also think that it contributes to the general paranoia of the American public”. Sorry if this doesn’t make sense to you. I’m not interested in a drawn out political thread. Not everyone agrees with our foreign policy. I’ll just leave it at that. Have a good day.

  10. unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:00 am

    Willie, they HAD a deal in place that Dr Dork let expire. It would have been built right where the stick was. Shame that Dr Kedorkian fucked that up.

    Eddie wanted a shopping mall attached to it. Not sure the efficacy of building a shopping mall in Bay View / Hunters Point, but the deal was there with the the NFLs backing.

    • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:19 am

      I still get sad every time I drive by Candlestick and don’t see it there. Well, *sad* may be the wrong word. I miss it.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:31 am

        Man, I drove down 101 for the first time since the demolition, and it was a drag. Still pissed at Dr. Dork for letting the deal expire. Fuckwad.

    • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:07 am

      Agree, Charlie. Stadium should have been built there, and NOT in Santa Clara.

    • Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      And like I said, with the W’s moving forward with their mega-arena, it’s hard to fathom the 49ers not being able to get something done. Somebody or multiple somebody’s fucked up big time.

  11. Macdog said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:18 am

    Interesting parallels in my sports viewing yesterday. First was Novak Djokovic finishing off another dominant run at the Aussie Open and cementing his status as the game’s top player, and there doesn’t appear to be a close second, he’s that good. While it’s unlikely anyone can win all four Slams — it’s just too difficult to win on three very different surfaces — if anyone can do it, it’s Djokovic.

    And then there’s the Warriors. I only saw the fourth quarter, by which time they had built a comfortable margin. But after the 2nd unit got sloppy and the Knicks got it to 13, in came the starters and, unlike the night before in Philly, that was that: Curry made a quick-trigger lonnnng bomb, Green fed Thompson for a layup and Barbosa nailed a corner 3 in transition. G’nite. What’s their latest streak at now, 7? And with blowouts over the Spurs, Cavs and Bulls in that span, that’s like Michael taking out all of his rivals at the end of The Godfather.

    So there it is, Djokovic and the Warriors, both seemingly unstoppable. And both won’t get their next big challenge until May.

    • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:12 am

      Not sure how big a challenge it will be, but OKC visits the Warriors Saturday. Should be an entertaining game.

      • Macdog said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:19 am

        The Nets beat the Thunder last week, so I expect another W’s rout.

    • Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 1:21 pm


  12. unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:29 am

    Yeah, the security at Super Bowl City was reminiscent of a presidential visit. They have police in full armor with assault rifles, and snipers on many of the building tops to go along with a lot of regular cops and the check in is just like boarding an airplane.

  13. Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:39 am

    just sitting here, stewin’, wondering what in the fuck to snub next…….

    • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:12 am

      Bahaha. Gold…

    • ewisco said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:19 am

      “it’s my party and i’ll snub who I want to, snub who I want to”
      (sung to “it’s my party and i’ll cry if I want to”)

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:43 am

    Big Flav, What are your thoughts on the USA v Iceland international friendly yesterday?

    • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:23 am

      clearly a missed snub opp. Those don’t slip past me too often.

  15. Macdog said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:50 am

    So the NFL circus has come to town. Media Day should be tomorrow, anyone know where it’s being held? Two years ago it was at the Devils’ arena in Newark, I think that was the only bone the NFL threw Jersey all week, everything else was in NYC. I might’ve had a chance to go to the Media event and sorta regret not pursuing that, just to experience the zaniness of it all, but it’s not something I lose sleep over. Yes, Flav, I would suggest a blackout on all local news coverage for the next seven days.

  16. chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Police state for Super Bowl Security. Pagan snubs FanFest. Dogs living with cats.

    Now to the important news of the day…

    Only 16 days until pitchers and catchers report for the Giants…

  17. wilcojoe said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:21 am

    A couple of the local Houston sports talk stations are doing their drive time shows from “radio row” in SF this week. One of the guys mentioned how it appeared the city had handed out sports clothing to the homeless. He said every homeless guy he has seen has been in either 49er or Giants apparel.

  18. blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:28 am

    I think what Chuck and Dirt were trying to point out – correct me if I am wrong Chuck or Dirt – is that we live in fear of terrorism and they both wish we could live our lives the way we once did. Pollyanna? Yeah, maybe it is, but I have to agree with what Joichi Ito wrote, “If we destroy human rights and rule of law in the response to terrorism, they have won.” 😦

    Here’s a good column about how this fear of terrorism is making us all crazy. As someone who travels frequently, I can relate to what this person says . . .


    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:45 am

      Well, yes and no. Yes, in that the American public lives in fear of threats real and imagined that cloud our public policy both foreign and domestic (i.e security theater at airports and major sporting events). Personally I think that many of our problems could be solved with increased civic participation but I don’t really see that happening in the US.

      Here’s another blurb on it.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:53 am

        Excellent opinion column. I agree with this 100%. Thanks for sharing . . .

      • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 11:53 am

        Kinzer’s books and articles on Guatemala for the last 30+ years are terrific. He knows who’s got the power and who doesn’t.

      • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:54 pm

        Good read…thanks for the share, dirt.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on February 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm

      At this point in the game i entertain no thoughts about flying. Couple more false-flag attacks and they will have us just where they want us. BTW: Was unofficially kicked off Yahoo. Have posted thousands of “off message” opinions, interpretations and views on their message board. Not a word from Yahoo so i’m figuring this was done by one of those “agencies” which are out to “protect the American way of life.” Heavy duty cookies is my guess. Jeeze, i can’t even access my former homepage site by attempting to google Yahoo. Gearwheel freezes and Safari goes down.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 4:05 pm

        If Trump or Cruz gets elected, I am flying non-stop to other countries, with occasional visits to family and friends here in the States. This is beyond silly season . . . Becoming dangerous to live in the U.S. and with those 2 crazies in control, I’m outta here.

  19. unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 10:58 am

    Well, where do you draw the line? The shoe thing is stupid, but this is how society in general reacts. As least in the US. When the horse is out of the barn, figure out a better way to lock the barn. For later horses.

    And this kind of shit is old-hat in Europe. I has been a part of daily life depending on where you travel. I think the article is over-the-top in criticizing safety protocols. Sure, there are ways around them if one is industrious enough. I just think it’s a necessary evil in today’s world.

    I mean really, “because some terrorists forced their way into crew cabins and took over a few planes, virtually all aircraft have reinforced cabin doors that cannot be broken into.”

    Can you say understatement of the century? Christ. Read that a few times and see if the answer to the problem is overreacting. Balderdash!

    • unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 11:25 am

      Note: i was responding to the first article.

      The 2nd one is spot-on . Our fucking elected officials pound the danger threat at every turn. Like Isis can build an ICBM and ride it to New York. These guys are cave dwellers For Gods sake.

      Eisenhower, a republican mind you, said watch out for the military industrial complex at the cost of social policy. Reagan, the biggest jingoist out there even understood you had to raise taxes to feed the military. We spend more than the next 30 countries combined. And we cut food stamps to help the needy. 60% of who are vets who fought these wars. No politician stands against military funding as it looks weak. Just as the deme never really push GM control. The military buys shit and hundreds of $50 million tanks sit and rust. Billion dollar boondoggle jet fighters don’t even raise an eyebrow.

      Go Bernie! Sorry. Screed over.

      • chipower9 said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:56 pm

        Great rant. I agree, Charlie. Go Bernie!

      • Carstie Clausen said, on February 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm

        Chuck: Reason the prostiticians refuse to stand against military spending is that they are OWNED, lock, stock and poppycock. The WarDefense industry is controlled by their primary investor capitalists. Biggest one in the game is Lockheed-Martin whose primary owners are not even Americans but investment banksters of highest capital, located in City of London, an entity which has controlled the British Crown since at least 1688 ~ and our government since unConstitutional passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 by a rump Congress with no quorum attained and signed into “law” by a blackmailed President Wilson.

  20. Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 11:07 am

    I wanna get one of those giants scissors they use at grand openings and just start cutting the SHIT out of something……..

  21. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 1, 2016 at 11:11 am

  22. zumiee said, on February 1, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    The more I hear Cam Newton speak, the less I want to hear him speak.
    This was kind of classic yesterday:
    “I want all the NFL has to offer. The money and cars. Everything. I have to be true to myself.”

    Me? I get excited when Lipton iced tea goes on sale. A dollar off? I’m in!

    • Lurker John said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:43 pm

      The dude is the ultimate egotist. I’m with you zum, and won’t be watching much of hype week for that reason. Don’t want to hear him talk.

  23. Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    Here’s how I would fix the pro bowl: turn it into a flag football game. Seriously. It might have a little bit of a “Battle of the Network Stars” feel to it but that show was rad and I still don’t know why they don’t do that anymore. Scott Baio was the mother fucking KING of that shit.
    Anyway, It would allow the players to go without a helmet which is what most of those egomaniacs want to do anyway. And it would allow them to show off their athletic skills which is all anyone really wants to see. It means O-lineman wouldn’t get voted in since you don’t need O-lineman in a flag football game. But you could still vote them in and let them hang out in Hawaii and collect their bonus checks. Give the QB 4-5 seconds to throw the ball or it’s a lost down.
    Problem solved.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on February 1, 2016 at 3:42 pm

      do it!

  24. unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Shit, they should all just play Madden.

  25. alleykat69 said, on February 1, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    Tried to get SB tickets from “Snub Hub” but got snubbed!

  26. pawliekokonuts said, on February 1, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    No worse than all the inordinate, disproportionate attention on IOWA. It is pitiful that such an unrepresentative state exerts such a ridiclous influence on our politics. Silly, if it weren’t so consequential. Iowa is no more America than is Gotham. Less so. Much less.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 1, 2016 at 4:14 pm

      Iowa guarantees nothing. it’s just a jumping-off point. They have to start somewhere.

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on February 1, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Who knew Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was such an eloquent writer and debater? He wrote an awesome “Dear Trump Supporters” letter in the WashPost.


    • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 4:46 pm

      Think Kareem’s baiting Trump into reacting with Muslim bashing?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on February 1, 2016 at 6:46 pm

        Not really. I think Kareem is just a thinking person. That’s my impression.

      • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm

        Kareem’s definitely a thinking person. He’s also probably the second most prominent Muslim in the US of A.

  28. blade3colorado said, on February 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    Hey, the lunatic won Iowa . . . uhh, I mean the one from Texas, not New York.

    • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm

      Cruz is a dangerous SOB. Very smart, very ruthless, very right wing. Maybe Hillary will trounce him, though. I could live with that.

      • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

        (I prefer Bernie, of course, but . . . . Let’s make sure Cruz doesn’t win.)

      • Flavor said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:08 pm

        he won Iowa where nothing but weirdo religious freaks vote for you (at least, the Republicans). He won’t win another state.

      • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:34 pm

        I don’t remember the details, but apparently Obama’s triumph in Iowa in 2008 led to the nomination then. Still, if I read the returns correctly, 51,000 votes won Cruz the vote. That seems a bit . . . Trivial, statistically. Btw, what do you call the citizens who participate in the Iowa Caucus? Caucasians? (C) and Tm rights, xoot. As to the quality of people who live in Iowa, personally I don’t know. I don’t think I ever even hitchhiked through Iowa. I do know that the high-priced good life in the Bay Area is not the life most people in the country enjoy (or can afford). There are sundry individuals in this country. Yes there are.

      • xoot said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:38 pm

        Btw, my prediction about Cruz is that he’ll fade this year for the nomination, but establish himself as a republican leader, and get appointed to the Supreme Court the next time a republican gets into the Oval Office. Let’s hope that’s a long way away.

  29. willedav said, on February 1, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    Gotta admit watching the knicks run the triangle wasn’t half bad. Biggest problem is lack of anyone beside Anthony to be real offensive threat as a post, and zero perimeter shooting. Anthony played pretty well and did pass the ball more often. P-kid has a lot of potential, but Knicks are still in rebuild mode.

    Signature road win for first place Monmouth Hawks at Siena, led by 36 from J Robinson including 12 of 12 from FT line.
    As a team they hit 27 for 31 FTs, very impressive, esp on the road. Team like that is under intense pressure come league tourney time, as likely only 1 team from MAAC can get in.

    Still waiting for Warrior update from Loo. Btw, at opening pregame warriors announcer said big crowd was there 2 hours early to watch Curry warm up, something he said happens repeatedly as they go on road.

    Dirt thx for Kinzer article, well put. And that was great line about Flav snubbing USA-Iceland soccer.
    There were reports on KCBS this AM about heightened security (and lines) at GG bridge even for joggers.

    • Macdog said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:06 pm

      Good win for MU since Siena also is the site of the MAAC tourney, especially if those two meet again.

  30. Macdog said, on February 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    Since no one posted this, our Giants news of the day:

    SAN FRANCISCO – Reliever George Kontos and the San Francisco Giants have agreed to a $1.15 million, one-year contract, avoiding salary arbitration.

    Monday’s agreement was $50,000 above the midpoint between the $1.35 million Kontos had asked for when arbitration figures were exchanged last month and the $850,000 offered by San Francisco.

    A 26-year-old right-hander, Kontos was 4-4 with a 2.33 ERA last year in 73 relief appearances. He earned $517,000.

    First baseman Brandon Belt is San Francisco’s last player in arbitration.

    • snarkk said, on February 2, 2016 at 12:17 am

      Hang in there, Belt! Hold out for 3/4 of the delta between you and Sabes…

  31. snarkk said, on February 2, 2016 at 12:23 am

    After a night of Iowa, Huckabee calls it quits. I’m devastated.
    He hung in long enough to grab some more dough, keep himself in the news, and maybe get enough attention again to get a renewed gig as an “insider” on Faux News. Canada Cruz is Joe McCarthy with slicker hair and a nutritionist…

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