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An Inning that Refused to Die

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 30, 2016

I drove into my driveway yesterday just as the bottom of the 3rd inning got under way. I decided to stay and listen to it on the radio so I wouldn’t miss anything and I like listening to Miller anyway. I should have brought a sandwich and something to drink. I got very hungry and thirsty.

As the inning wore on and the scoreboard lights began to flicker from overuse, I considered just going into the house. But I was stubborn and I wanted to see just how long an inning could last. Like could this inning somehow alter the time/space continuum law. About 20 minutes into it I turned the ignition back on because I was worried I was going to end up with a dead car battery.

Here is a sample of some of the texts I got during that inning:

“this is a looooooog inning dawg”

“can we surrender?”

“hilarious”

“what is happening to the Giants right now…”

“longest and worst muthafuckn inning in fuckn history and I am here.”

“is 12 runs in an inning a record?”

There were more. So much time was passing. My 5 o’clock shadow grew into a full beard. I considered braiding it to pass the time. I starting thinking about weird shit like how much time was there left in the world. When would the world end? When would this inning end? Do I have enough gas in my car to keep the radio on and the battery running? What would I tell the AAA guy if I ran out of gas and got a dead battery all while sitting in my driveway?

Mercifully, the inning ended and I wandered into my house tired and exhausted like I’d just finished running the Bay to Breakers. I checked the calendar to make sure it was still April…..

 

 

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  1. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:22 am

    Part of the beauty of baseball: no time limit. We don’t know when an AB/inning/game will end. 🙂

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:23 am

      Like the foul-lines reaching out to infinity….I think Carlin said.

  2. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:25 am

    Our FIRST PLACE SF GIANTS play the second-place Mets today. 🙂

  3. Carstie Clausen said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:43 am

    This too shall pass.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:56 am

      The inning or the Giants being in 1st?

      • Carstie Clausen said, on April 30, 2016 at 11:26 am

        A series of 13-1 losses where SF gets 9 hits, 6 walks and one whole run.

  4. Bozo said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:56 am

    I hated the Bay to Breakers when I lived in SF. I hated that inning. I hate that Posey popped up, that Pence dropped the fly, that Peavy felt good while coughing up 6 runs. Hell, I hated that Pagan hit a dinger and I’m going to include Panik just because his name starts with a P.

  5. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:02 am

    45 years ago today Willie Mays blasted 4 homeruns in Milw

  6. willedav said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:03 am

    Jeez, kokonuts would have been better off at the ballet.

    Great and storied lol, thx. Beats late lamented.

    Up in Seattle for a biz meeting, one night a black guy who grew up there drove me and a fellow Seatte mgr. around from hotel to dinner and back. He’s a little younger than I am and pointed out an area that had once been Scandinavian enclave, where black kids were decidedly unwelcome in his day.

    Who knew? you can’t get any further north or west and still be in America than Seattle.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:20 am

      Alaska doesn’t count?

      • willedav said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:44 am

        lulz.

  7. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:15 am

    One of my favorite DFS players, Chris Colabello was also suspended for PED use. He said, “I cried and cried and cried” upon learning of his suspension. He added, “I would never, have never, will never compromise the integrity of baseball — ever — in my life,” he said, as transcribed by the Toronto Star. “And whether that means taking a performance-enhancing supplement, I just wouldn’t do it. I don’t do it. I haven’t done it. I won’t do it.”

    Chris Colabello = idiot . . . and crybaby.

    http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/chris_colabello_on_80_game_suspension_i_cried_and_cried_and_cried/s1_8061_20786839?mb_edition=5725&linksrc=mb_story_related_10_20806558

  8. willedav said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:47 am

    cain (Giants player rep) in all seriousness said words to effect, “this means the system works.”
    Also said (Baggs blog day before on mercnews) main topic in Giants clubhouse was whether they believed his story that it was accidental or not.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:09 am

    Cain will be in the clubhouse reading player’s union communiqués by the bottom of the 5th?

  10. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:10 am

    my buddy who is an A’s fan is having his allegience tested. He tried to buy 2 seats to the game today for him and his son. $58 each. They were very good seats behind one of the dugouts. But the website wouldn’t let him do it because it would have left a single seat open in the row and they don’t allow for that. He sent me a screen shot of the section he was trying to buy seats in and there were entire rows completely empty. So he sent the team a scathing email and told them, essentially, to go fuck themselves. lol.

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:17 am

      Mets website won’t let you buy one seat when there are two together or some shit like that even if it’s the last row from the roof…

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:19 am

      May 11th dugout seats for the Sherpas and Snakes are $22. I had no idea they were that cheap, until I thought to check after your post Flav . . . Conversely, Chi and I are paying around $268 for 2 tickets at Yankee stadium (a bit away from the Giants dugout/left field, but called “infield” tickets). I would imagine any comparable Phone Park tickets would be the same or more.

  11. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:13 am

    here’s the email he sent them, I can’t get the screen shot of the section to configure:
    McDevitt, Thomas
    9:01 AM (10 minutes ago)

    to me
    Check this out……….

    From: McDevitt, Thomas
    Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 8:57 AM
    To: ‘groups@athletics.com’ ; ‘suites@athletics.com’ ; ‘CVanDyne@athletics.com’
    Subject: This is not OK……

    Please see picture below. I was going to take my son to the A’s game today….picked my seats…..then got this insane error message “not allowed to buy these two seats because it will leave a single seat in the row”…..even though there’s 50 other seats available in the section with entire rows empty. This is the Oakland A’s, in a half empty stadium, available seats everywhere, 2nd worst stadium in all of baseball, who traded away the AL MVP for absolutely nothing. We’ll find a better way to spend $150 today.

    Sincerely,

    42 year A’s fan (since age 5), wondering where it all went wrong

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:19 am

      Good for him, but too classy for my taste – should’ve used some graphic profanity…

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:22 am

      One thing about the As, they can be dog meat one year and competitive the next, but they always seem to come up with some pretty good young starting arms, year after year. Giants — we heard a long time now about a good pipeline of young starters coming up– where the hell are they?…

  12. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I’m looking forward to Cain pitching well today, and Imean that in a real way like 7 frames and 2 runs. Not in the Kruk way of 4 shaky to good frames and then the roof caves in, but “he felt good and he’s close to finding his mechanics, so it was a good outing”…

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:34 am

      Hate to be negative about their chances, but I think deGrom and company handcuff the GMen and Cain gets slaughtered. Again, May 2nd against Cincy can’t come soon enough.

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:35 am

      Peavy said the same stuff after the game yesterday: he felt good, he feels close to being sharp, blah, blah, blah.

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:44 am

      “the Kruk way” lulz

  13. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:33 am

    I hope so too, snarkk.

  14. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:42 am

    As Snarkk (I think) pointed out, the contracts will dictate many more starts for Cain and Unable. The Giants’ offense is going to have to pick those guys up. Today’s another rough challenge.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:49 am

      I don’t think so for Peavy. One more putrid start and he will minimally be put on the DL with a “mystery” illness/injury . . . and when he comes back, he will get 2 starts maximum before being released.

      • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:57 am

        Yeah, the phantom injury is a great face-saver. Remember when it took Zito three months to recover from a sprained ankle? That was classic.

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 10:13 am

      Yeah, zum I said that yesterday, not that I’m the first. Cain has a much longer contract = longer leash. I remember conveying here a few weeks ago Kuiper’s KNBR nugget that essentially Peavy would have a short leash. Kruk and kuip generally should have the scoop on things, so that foreshadowing may have some legs soon. One more disaster start and he may have a sudden bout of elbow tendinitis and onto the DL — we know the drill…

  15. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 10:02 am

    I remember a player on some team being asked what his injury was, and the playing saying something like “I don’t know; ask the GM.” Brutal honesty that I’m sure wasn’t appreciated by the front office.

  16. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 10:04 am

    The Padres got a nice outing from a rook last night. 5 1/3 innings, no runs vs. LA.

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 10:19 am

      Pads suck. SF sweep of them at home is not a great indicator of much; SF must take the season series with 13 or 14 wins. I would much rather see more games against other oppo, too many Pads and Rox games for me…

  17. alleykat69 said, on April 30, 2016 at 10:56 am

    Fucking Baakle I just want to rip his fucking eye balls out of his sockets!!
    Gotta believe Kelly atleast made the 1 st 2 picks which were solid. But now the clown is taking over and it tells with his CB ACL project& and another CB? Who was suspended from his team and played little??? Then the Ravens on the next pick grabs a STUD RB Kenneth Dixon!! Fuck you Trent!!!!!!!

  18. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 11:49 am

    Giving up a 12 run hairball inning must means it’s time for a new BBOTD chick…

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      can’t do that till I get back to work unfortunately. I don’t have that *snipping tool* (f) on any of my chromebooks here at the house and I can’t format it properly otherwise

  19. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    My 12-run inning odyssey went like this:

    At Appleby’s after my daughter went 3-4 in a 13(!)-11 loss in softball. By the time we left it was 1-0. Put the game on the car radio it was 3-0. Then 4-0. Then 6-0, 7-0? Somewhere in there was a pitching change and the Pence drop at the fence. Got home, put the TV on with the same morbid curiosity as I would to look at an accident, and Conforto doubles for 8-0. And then the Yo slam.

    That A’s story is great, and certainly goes a long way towards explaining their attendance issues.

    As I’ve already told a couple Mets fans, they may have done us a favor with that shellacking, because if that doesn’t convince the brass that Peavy’s done, I don’t know what will.

  20. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    A’s just got back to my buddy. Gave him 2 tix behind home plate on the house lol

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      Wow! Frankly, that’s nice of them . . . They did the right thing. However, that stupid ass rule does need to be addressed, as I suspect they only provided the tickets because your friend was pissed off enough to fire off an email to them.

    • Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      Wow! If what Loo said about the Mets is true, I gotta try that!

  21. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    Listening to Kruk on pre-game show . . . Asked what Cain needs to do today to avoid what happened to Peavy, “. . . Don’t walk anyone.” Also some other gibberish about our defense being as good as anyone else in the game. Fine and dandy, but this is avoiding the question in my opinion. I would have said, “Cain hasn’t been Cain and he will do fine, if he can pitch the way he pitched before all these injuries and surgeries. If he doesn’t have Cain like “stuff” and control, we’re in for a loooooooooong day. Next question . . . “

  22. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    Raiders must have a thing for Michigan State: First DE Shilique Calhoun (local Jersey guy), and now QB Connor Cook.

  23. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Panik out today, mild groin strain.

  24. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Broadway to Sac-town.

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      Vin Mazzaro up.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      Vin Mazzaro (who?) promoted . . . The righty reliever posted a 3.75 ERA last year with the Marlins, although he has never been overpowering. His 0.64 ERA in 14 innings at Triple-A probably prompted the promotion, but I don’t think we will see him in risky situations.

      • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 12:59 pm

        Yeah, my first reaction was “who?”

      • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:03 pm

        Pretty sure I recall Mazarro give up like 10 runs in one inning a few years ago so he’ll fit right in with our pitchers

  25. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    Wright not starting vs. Cain, day game after night game. Hmmmm…

  26. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    DeGrom hasn’t walked anybody this season yet. That seems unreal.

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    Back home, mercifully.

    During the Endless Inning, I left my seat with my Mets fan friend when SF was down 3-0 or 4-0. It already looked bad. I figured I’d go see Dieter of Finnerty’s and stroll through the stadium, which I’ve never done. So I was in the bowels of the stairwells (bowels, apt word; not fan-friendly architecture: you can’t see any action from these closed-off, cavernous stairways), and I could tell how bad it was by cheers that would rise and then rise higher. I think some of that was Pence ALMOST CATCHING the ball. The loudest had to be the Cespedes GS. I emerged from the gloom into the bright of the stadium. The scoreboard said 12-0.

    I had to ask myself: was this all in the same inning?!

    I had a fun time seeing Dieter.

    Most Giants fans I saw were very positive, upbeat, resigned. Hey, it’s one inning of one game, long season, even year. That kind of thing.

    Of course, I was selective in my sampling.

    Weird thing: the young woman with the SF wool cap I talked to at Penn Station turned out to be the same one on the L.I.R.R. going back.

    I know. All Giants fans look alike.

    Black and Orange.

    (Maybe this gets inserted in the book, somewhere.)

    • pawliekokonuts said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:17 pm

      p.s. My mood too was very breezy. Oh well. History in the making. Just not all that bummed by it. Macdog text “at least it wasn’t 2-1.” I wish it had been the worst inning in Giants history. It is not. But it is the best in Mets history. I teased my Mets friend by texting my youngest daughter, the SF fan, saying we gave the Mets a 12-run inning, as if the Mets had nothing to do with it.

  28. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    Regardless of how this inning ends – Cain is throwing way too may pitches.

  29. pawliekokonuts said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    feck this
    i’m taking a nap

  30. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    At least Cain held ’em to 2 runs.

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:27 pm

      Baby steps!

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      If he can last his usual 4 or 5 innings, we’re talking 8-10 runs. No problem.

  31. djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    Degrom should hit Cain in his kneecap next inning…

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:40 pm

      Mets fans probably well remember Cain plunking Wright in the head.

  32. ewisco said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    Sigh

  33. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    No need now Loo . . . He probably won’t last that long.

  34. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    Conforto is that young stud OF that snarkk would die for — and we can’t seem to find.

  35. alleykat69 said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Need 4-5 starters pronto!!
    Just won’t work with Cain&Peavy..

  36. James said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    They brought up Mazzaro in anticipation of another blow out — astute planning!

  37. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    Is the NFL draft still going on?

  38. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    OK, Plan B . . . I’m down with Loo’s suggestion that deGrom kneecap Cain. Anything to get him out of there.

  39. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    I highly recommend the Baja Burger at the Lazy Dog, near the Dublin/Pleasanton BART station.

  40. djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    Good things happen,
    When Pawlie’s nappin’

  41. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    Nice rally!

    Belt’s baserunning drives me crazy sometimes.

  42. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    Hey, a shutdown inning!

  43. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Peavy and Cain

    And pray for rain.

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:57 pm

      that’s pretty good.

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      Peavy & Cain, what a pain…

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:09 pm

        Matt & Jake, what a mistake…

      • Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:14 pm

        Bochy and Righetti

        Get the bullpen ready.

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:20 pm

        Cain & Peavy,
        Shut your Tee-V…

  44. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    In their craptastic ERA battle, it’s:
    Peavy 8.61
    Cain 7.00

  45. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    My memory was right about Mazzaro but it was even worse than the 10 runs I thought he gave up in a game. Check out what Cle did to him back on May 16th of 2011
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=mazzavi01&t=p&year=2011

    • Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:08 pm

      Asdrubal Cabrera played in that game, too.

      • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:11 pm

        Ass Dribble. Never liked that guy.

  46. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    Does Specs have an average yet?

  47. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Cain gopher balls thrown right down Broadway with a “crush me” sign on “em…

  48. James said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    As Cain does his thing, Zumie provided another opportunity to see what the numbers show, this time about base running. I assume that being thrown out at home is usually on the base coach. The stats also don’t distinguish between being doubled off on a line drive, hit and run etc. But if you focus on making outs at 2nd or third, you can get a sense of about how many times a baserunner makes a decision that results in an out. Over his career, Belt has made 6 outs at second and 5 at third. Since 2012, Angel Pagan has made 8 outs at second, and 6 at third.

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:21 pm

      I don’t see what Belt did as a mistake at all. He had to be assuming that they would throw home with slow ass Buster Posey lumbering towards the plate. I would have assumed that as well and taken 3rd which should have been a gift if not for Duda making the last second decision to go to third base.

      • James said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:25 pm

        Yes, agreed.

    • James said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:24 pm

      I guess it’s now 6 outs at third for Belt 🙂

      • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm

        I have low expectations for Belt on the base paths. If he can just avoid getting hit in the head and make it back to the dugout sans a concussion I consider it a successful trip around the bases for him.

  49. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    It’s interesting to look at how awful both Cain and Lincecum’s deals were. They literally both started sucking as soon as they started making their biggest coin.

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:22 pm

      I think Cain had one good year (2012) after signing the big deal, maybe…

      • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:23 pm

        he did have a good 2012 but the next year is when he started making 20 mil a season. He made 15 mil in 2012 I think. I was just noting how both of them started shitting the bed as soon as they made their biggest per year coin.

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:01 pm

      Cains deal is far more awful. Timmy never had a long term deal. Cain = 6 years, $120M. He is clearly now in Zito territory. That’s on the Giants. They knew when they signed it that he had bone chips in the elbow. How can you give a guy with Stinson Beach in his elbow a 6 year deal at that price?…

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:27 pm

        I believe Timmy turned down 4/80…

      • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:38 pm

        He turned down 5/100. Turning a deal down, and having one signed and in place, are two different things. Cain’s deal is real, and it sucks. It sucked almost from the start, but surely from year 2 onward…

  50. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    I mean shit, at least Zito went 15-8 for us in 2012, not to mention what he did in the post season that year. Timmy or Cain did absolute shit once they started making 20 mil a year.

    • James said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:37 pm

      If Cain pitched as well as Zito in 2009 and 10, even that would be acceptable.

  51. ewisco said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Isn’t Crawford due?

  52. Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    Goddamn, can’t hit it much better than that.

  53. ewisco said, on April 30, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    Fudge

  54. alleykat69 said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    Matt & Jake
    Get ready to get raked!

  55. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    I don’t understand why you don’t bunt Span to second, and let Duffy and Posey have chances to drive him in to tie. I don’t care that Angel’s been hot. Bochy never likes to bunt, but to me that’s a major mistake, or Bochy doesn’t trust his Pen to keep the game tied in the bottom 9th if he does tie, so he rolled dice for more than a one run inning, and ended up with egg on his face. Posey’s bat left at the on deck circle — it’s hard to drive anybody in from there. That should not happen. Peavy and Cain cannot continue as the 4-5 much longer. I don’t have the stats, I’d like to see how Cain is doing relative to the average #5 in the NL. From where I am, he stinks…

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      I think he did the right thing, Snarkk. It just didn’t work out…

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      100% totally agree.

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:35 pm

        Due to a timing quirk, it is not clear who you agree with. Lulz!!!

  56. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    Kruk post-game on Cain’s performance, apparently with a straight face:

    He was “not pitching with a lot of luck today…”

  57. Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    this is the one thing I can’t stand about Bochy. He did this with Rowand, too.
    Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 1m1 minute ago
    Bochy not even close to making change with Peavy, Cain. “I have too much confidence in these guys. It’s April here. Both … are close.

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:33 pm

      It’ll be May here in less than 5 hours…

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:05 pm

      At least Bochy admitted he has too much confidence in Peavy and Cain. 🙂

  58. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    Pence and Crawford hit those well. So close to being a totally different game. The guys battled and made a game of it. They couldn’t overcome Cain’s issues.

  59. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    Yeah, Bochy’s loyalty to Peavy….we knew that was something to be concerned about.

  60. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    A Flapper the other day had the idea of Bochy using an off-day to rearrange the rotation so Peavy and Cain aren’t back to back. I like that idea.

  61. unca_chuck said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    Yeah as I was pulling weeds listening to the game I thought, Cain is doing OK. But the solos were killers. Again he gets ahead and can’t put guys away. All day guys got 2 strike hits off him.

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:31 pm

      In the pregame show, they talked about how it used to be his fastball that finished batters off; but with a loss of velocity, it doesn’t do that anymore.

    • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      Its the same for Peavy. When you get older, you can’t put the guy away with a strike out, or an out pitch that they get themselves out. The batter hangs in, fouls a few off, the pitcher throws into a 3-2, a foul or two more, then the batter gets one to hit, and pounds it. Marty Lurie going off on Cain and Peavy right now on KNBR, “horrible pitching”, and basically laughing at how Bochy in today’s post-game conference was protecting Cain’s horribleness…

      • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:19 pm

        I understand both points of view . . . Respect Lurie for not toeing the company line. Similarly, Bochy is protecting his players. I still maintain that Peavy will be on the DL if he face plants in his next start. The trainer and/or team physician are probably going through their medical encyclopedia for a half-assed believable disease or injury to cite.

        Regarding Cain, his contract will give him a bit more leash a la Zito. Consequently, his roster spot is safe, except maybe if they make the playoffs or World Series.

      • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:37 pm

        Blade, I think Cain will eventually have a DL stint, too, if he keeps this up. You can’t have an ERA near 8, even as a 5th starter. Somebody in the Giants system has to be able to pitch somewhat better than these two have. Some worm has to turn by mid-May, either these two get better, or one or both go onto the DL and Heston is stretched out and ready to come back up…

      • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:49 pm

        Yeah, in that scenario – I can see him on the DL too. In fact, my reference to Zito alludes to that happening as well. I just think that Peavy would be sent down or put on the DL right this minute if not for his relationship with Bochy and his contract. He has been absolutely horrible.

  62. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    Really liking the Billy Martin biography. Very well-written and very interesting, and an attempt to give a more complete picture of someone whose image has become a cartoon.
    Not that the main character of a biography has to be likable for it to be a great book. It comes down to the author’s ability to draw the reader in.

    • willedav said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      thx Zum, I’ll check it out (literally).

  63. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    Martin played in an era when a guy making $13,000 a year could get an extra $7,000 for winning the World Series. Most players didn’t talk about “having fun” on the field. It was to be considered intensely serious business.
    Nowadays players talk about winning a ring, because the extra money is an afterthought.

  64. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Peavy weighs 180 lbs. per his ESPN stat page. Is this a mistake? Has he always played at this weight? Seems too light to me, especially for a starting pitcher (not named Lincecum).

    OK, I just went to his Wiki page and that says 195 lbs. Which one is right? Maybe he has AIDs . . . dunno.

  65. blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Also, CSN’s Pavlovic says that Cain was “repeatedly hitting 93 mph.” Huh? I bailed after that last home run, so it’s possible his velocity got better than what I saw (which was consistently 90-91 on his heater), but I doubt it.

  66. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    Cain has no wins in his last 12 starts going to the middle of last season. Bochy, after the game today:
    “I have too much confidence in these two guys,” Bochy said “We’re in April. I’ve seen some good things. I think they’re close. I don’t think there’s an option that’ll make this staff better.”
    Wow. So there is NOTHING better in the minors than these two guys, with Cain/Peavy ERAs of 7.00 and 8.61? How is that even possible?…

    • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      Close to what?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:23 pm

        close to Armageddon. And that ain’t a town on the Jersey Shore.

      • Macdog said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:54 pm

        PK: I’m guessing you’ve never been to Seaside Heights on a Saturday night in the summer.

  67. Carstie Clausen said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    It is a difficult task for any team to dig itself out of a 4-zip hole after two innings ~ particularly when facing good pitching. It must be said that they did not roll over and die and did make things interesting, but that’s kinda like handgrenades and horseshoes.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      Agree. Spotting the other team 12 runs, much less 4, will usually result in a L.

    • bassbaldy said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      I agree Stix, we at least made a game of it at the end. We gotta remember the Mets have some formidable bats in their lineup. As well, considering we were facing a relatively young but proven pitcher in DeGrom with an excellent record, our bats gave a reasonable accounting of themselves. Yet, who do we have in our lineup that commands the respect and instills fear like the Met’s Cespedes or the young Conforto, a tuned up David Wright (I realize he wasn’t in there today,) or a dialed in Granderson? Posey when he’s hot, I suppose, Pence, when he is on a streak, Panik occassionally, and … uh? I’m speaking of consistency. Cespedes had that ugly streak in October last year but the Mets wouldn’t have been playing in Oct if wasn’t for he did when he came over to them in the trade.

      I’m still willing to give Cain another month (end of May). He is younger than Peavy and I think he is a better athlete, and probably in better shape. And as I’ve said, he is gonna leave it all out there on the field.

      Two more starts for Peavy and if we don’t see some big turn around something has gotta be done about that guy. The question is, what exactly are our options? Did not Peavy pull something like this with Boston before we got him in the trade?

  68. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    So, when down a run in the top of 9th on the road, do you guys agree a team should never, ever bunt a leadoff hitter along to get him on 2nd with one out? You have to “play to win” on the road, not give up an out? I think that’s total crap. You know what happens if the leadoff guy doesn’t ever get to second? You lose; no shot to win, like today. If he gets to second with one down, you have shot to tie, and a tie means you have a shot to win…

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:43 pm

      no I think you absolutely should bunt considering the situation. Pagan is mostly just slap hitting right now anyway, I’d rather have him bunt in that situation and leave it to Posey to drive the ball

      • snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 6:56 pm

        Thank you. If you bunt Span over to second, you are guaranteed Posey, our $20 million fair haired boy, has an at bat to tie or get the team ahead, with one swing. Hit into a DP, like happened, and you have a good shot at leaving his bat in the on deck circle. To me, that’s a dumb outcome, which is what happened…

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 7:44 pm

        The “book” says play to tie at home and win on the road in that situation. I definitely don’t believe you should always play by the book. But considering that the bullpen has pretty much gone to shit and that Pagan has good speed and is hard to double up, the move today was correct. I think most people would agree. He’s also been our best hitter this year…

      • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:21 pm

        I don’t care what Pagan’s batting average is, he’s slap hitting almost everything. I know he hit a bomb the other day. As much as I don’t like Posey, I’d still rather have Buster up in that situation with Span on 2nd base > Pagan with Span on 1st base 100 out of 100 times. No guarantees I know. I just trust Buster at the plate way more than fucking Angel Pagan.

  69. unca_chuck said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    I think we lose either way. I thought we should have bunt though.

  70. unca_chuck said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Bochy has gone away from the bunt where I thought he would a few times this year.

    • Flavor said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:25 pm

      it’s not that big of a deal. I think we would probably lose either way. I’m just giving my preference over what ended up happening. If Pagan ripped a triple down the line I’d feel differently of course. I think Pagan’s batting average is in for a huge hit. I haven’t seen all his at bats, maybe only 20-25% of them. But he sure seem like he’s just slap hitting and going for contact to me. If that’s all he’s gonna do I’d take a few more skillfully placed bunts in situations that call for them.

      • djloo27 said, on April 30, 2016 at 8:47 pm

        I don’t plan on having a stroke over it, either…

  71. zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    The Giants end today still tied for first place! 🙂

    • zumiee said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:22 pm

      No team in the NL West has a winning record.

  72. alleykat69 said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    There still is a play called a hit&run. Guess Boch forgot that one exhist, doubt they could get Span at 2nd if he’s running or atleast won’t get the DP when Span inside the SS jock..

  73. snarkk said, on April 30, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Looking forward to this Dubs series with Portland. It will be very interesting to see how the Dubs play without Steph against a better team than Houston …

  74. unca_chuck said, on May 1, 2016 at 7:46 am

    I think it actually helped that they had a few games to work on playing w/o Steph. Livingston is much taller and should press the scoring a little more. Great mid-range shooter.

    Barnes REALLY has to get his shit rolling. He was a non-factor on offense the whole Houston series. They can’t afford that vs Portland.


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