Nah. Hey, I know a lot of guys are down on Peavy. I am willing to give him a bit more rope. The dude is a competitor and wants to win. Question is does he have any bullets left in his six shooter and bandolero…
I totally spaced at the end of the last thread…I was thinking Cain was due up, but it is bulldog Peavy. I say, if they get this game in, Peavy has a good game.
I still hope like hell that the Giants plan to take a look at Timmy. Seriously…
My guess is that his previous shit outing will be the last Boch can ignore. He does it again today and there may be a change. I haven’t checked, but is there anyone on the farm that could step in? Probably Heston? The Giants have done a nice job of turning this roadie around.
Two Giants/Warriors double-dips in 3 days. I can dig that.
i mean, if he implodes against the Reds, a collection of mostly AAA guys, that HAS to be it. Speaking of AAA guys, we aren’t giving Jake much support today, huh?
Votto and Phillips?
I know it has been said before, but really where would we be without the Cueto and Samardzija signings?
I’m still hoping Peavy can contribute and continue his Win streak against the Reds, but keep the Long Guy ready. Do we still have a Long Guy? Is it Mazzaro? I haven’t been paying a lot of attention the last couple of weeks (saw some of the 3rd inning blow out game, yee haw)
I still think he might be sick (HIV?). Weight has gone down to 180. Other than Stroman and Timmy, I don’t know of anyone that light who is a starting pitcher.
Heston has been in two games for Sacto since being sent down (one start). 8.0 IP with a 2.25 ERA, but an eyebrow raising .150 WHIP. I still think it was a mistake when they cut loose Petit.
Chi, this is my take about Heston – he’s just another guy. I think he did well the first half of the season, partially because the hitters did not know him the first time around in the league . . . Fast forward to the 2nd half of the season, he imploded. Maybe he was worn out. Dunno . . .
I don’t think he’s anything except a long reliever and an emergency starter.
Agree. That is why I would have loved to see the team re-sign Petit. By and large that dude killed it in long relief.
Not sure if anyone saw it last night, but they had one of those spotlight pieces on Peavy from his ranch in, I think, Alabama. Pretty bad-ass place.
Boch going with the scub LU today, goes well with Peavy on the bump..
Other than Heston, Idk who would take Peavy’s place. I don’t follow minors guys but I understand Blackburn hasn’t been that good. I’ll trust Bochy here that there isn’t a viable alternative and that the vet guy can figure things out. I think Peavy can lower his ERA down to low 4.00-ish eventually.
Giants O, even with today LU, should be capable of providing enough runs and play good enough D to win.
Read something on Yahoo that said mlb planning on moving game scheduled to be played in the PR later this month back to Miami amid player concerns over Zika virus. Thoughts?
I think the Zika concerns, while valid are probably a bit overblown. PR is having a tough go of things right now and the baseball game would have been a welcome positive for the people down there. It reminds me of when the Olympics were in Beijing and the US athletes stepped off the plane wearing masks. The Chinese were highly offended and it made the Americans look like tools. There are measures that can be taken to mitigate the risk of being bitten by mosquitoes. Use the permethrin, spray on some DEET and play ball.
Good points sarge . . . Weird that the Chinese would be offended by Americans wearing masks, since just about every frickin’ SE Asia person I’ve seen wears a mask regularly. Almost a fashion accessory. Ask Paulinasia – he will confirm.
That being said, it probably was the fact that they were photographed wearing a mask all at the same time and upon entry into the country. Not exactly the photo op the Chinese wanted. That would have to be the reason. Seriously, air pollution in China is the worst in Asia and that is saying something, when you consider that India next door has some of the worst polluted air in the world. When I did my round the world trip back in 2013, I had a chronic cough after visiting Thailand and Nepal and those places are mild compared to China and India.
I’ve been meaning to catch you on here regarding seats at Petco. I’m easy to please, so I think most seats there are fine. Like ATT, the deep outfield upper deck seats are pretty lousy—except at Petco you have them on both the right and left field lines. Try to stay away from those. Also, even if you do have lousy seats, they have lots of railings for standing with great sight lines if you want to really get a good look at the pitchers or something like that. Spots at those railings are fairly easy to find as well.
Thanks. I’ll keep that in mind, although now it looks like our July trip might be off. But I am determined to get down there for a game at some point.
Sarge – good to see you back! I was thinking about you the other day and have been meaning to shoot you a text to see if you are still kicking it. All those women in your household kicking your ass?! 😉
Hey Chi, only guy in the house you know the ladies are givong me the business…I’ve just had a lot going on these last couple of weeks. I’ve been kinda lurking, but haven’t been able to watch many games so I just haven’t been compelled to jump in.
Well, get to jumping! 😉 Truly good to see you again, here.
Heard through my friend Rain Man (Mike) that Bochy is warm to bringing Timmy back for a long relief role. If he truly has the goods, the thing that sucks there is there is probably a team or two who will take a flyer on him as a starter. And if I was Evans and Bochy, I would be telling Tim that there is certainly a possibility of getting some starts (given the way Cain and Peavy have performed, to date).
The Giants’ level of interest in re-signing the beloved two-time Cy Young Award winner is greater now than it might have been a month ago.
“Yeah, that’s fair to say,” said Bochy, who foresees a relief role for Lincecum on the Giants staff. “We know Timmy. The fact is, that’s a role he could fit. I don’t know his level of interest in having a role like that. It doesn’t rule out any other role because of injuries.”
It only took 2 innings for Peavy’s suckitude to show up. Improvement?
Gives it right back. Damn.
What a POS Peavy is. No doubt about that one.
If Peavy isn’t put on the DL or released after this outing, then Bochy, Sabevans, et. al., are delusional.
Is that 88 in the upper right of the box Peavy’s mph or his ERA?
Well, that answers that question, that fucker is getting shelled AGAIN. Time for some new meat!
LJ, they will keep him in there and save the bullpen. Sacrificial lamb. Nevertheless, Peavy should retire after this humiliating performance.
That’s a good point, save the pen. I was mostly referring to a new member of the staff. This guy is a black hole right now.
I’m guessing you DFS guys got a couple Reds going today?
Four to be exact.
Mr. Belt is putting together a nice season so far.
He sure is LJ … Pence is solid too .. Posey’s picking it up and Blanco has been as reliable off the bench as just about anyone, ever. On the other side, Duff is struggling again and Span is still doing the limbo.
OK, that bandbox is ripe for a huge comeback. I’ve no idea who Dan Straily is, but he has a robust 4.49 career ERA. Time to tee off.
He pitched for the A’s about 4 or 5 years ago (2013?). Basically, one of those AAA Flav referenced (albeit, a pitcher).
Okay read the beginning of the thread and then checked the score board, 5 run 2nd inning, I take it no one is surprised at this. Peavy is done, put a fork in him and send him on his way to where ever. He is worst than Zito.
I don’t think Im alone here in thinking that even though Peavy is obviously an aging, maybe depleted, pitcher, there is something else going on with him. I read that some think that because of his weight loss there could be an underlying health issue.
My theory is that Peavy, at this point in his career, although an intense competitor, possibly does not prepare well during the off season. Did he not have similar problems to the start of his 2014 season with Boston? He either had a 9. something era, 9 consecutive losses, or both … that number ‘9’ is in my memory.
After a long career, accomplishing many great things, I’m sensing that his motivation for playing baseball may be suspect or compromised. He has a nice pad to hang in, his celebrity music buddies to hang out with. Maybe his mind, in the off season, is on other things. When ST rolls around, sure he is all gung-ho but, it’s a case of too little too late.
I’m a musician and even though I’ve been playing for half a hundred years, if I don’t practice regularly, I can have issues and the people I work with notice it readily.
Unless, Peavy is allowed to pitch another inning and gives up another couple of shots like this Duvall bomb, I see Bochy saying, “Peavy’s just this far from putting it all together . . .” Consequently, I see more Peavy in our collective Flap future.
“He feels good, and he feels close,” whatever that means.
You know, I’d feel pretty darned good if I was making $15 million this year, too.
I can only imagine the nonsense Kruk is churning out about this being the ball park’s fault.
I can hardly wait to hear Kruk on KNBR tomorrow morning!! 😳😳😳
Cingrani is good . . . Poor command, maybe thats why he isn’t closing anymore??? Dunno . . .
Hmm . . . Kruk and Flannery providing every reason/excuse for Peavy’s face plant, except one . . . HE’S FRICKIN’ OLD!
There have been in the past and still are much older productive pitchers. I’m sticking with my theory that he isn’t preparing properly In the off season, for whatever reason. Sure, some guys are slow starters but this is month two … He was shit in ST, he was shit in April, and He is still in Shit. He was slow starting last year and sloth like for Boston the year before.
Me? I think he’s done. Put a fork in him. Flannery came closest to saying that, e.g., him commenting on his poor velocity and citing Kruk’s comment about “the hitters knowing,” with the implication that “knowing” that you are done.
No rainout, but with Jim Joyce behind the plate, a Finnegans Wake?
Get back home and kick some major Rockies butt.
I agree, blade. Given that he had the one bad inning and gutted out 6 innings and pitched pretty well outside of that inning, we’ll be seeing him next time around the rotation.
1st game against the Sherpas may not be easy. The kid they have starting, Chris Rusin, was forced into a starting role due to the Rocks starters being ineffective and DL related issues. Outstanding reliever and he did well in his first start, albeit, they are still stretching him out. They may limit him to no more than six innings. It will be interesting to see how he performs. I hope we bury them.
To Mac’s 10:02 re Timmy: “I don’t know his level of interest in having a role like that. It doesn’t rule out any other role because of injuries.” I think Peavy is ready for a looooong stint on the DL, which would open up a starting slot for Big Time Timmy Jim. Serious…the Giants need to explore this. I was talking about giving Peavy a bit more rope. After today, the rope is gone. Get Timmy on speed dial (this all is on the premise that his stuff looks good when they take a hard look at him). 55!
Just don’t see it happening. Timmy is like a right handed Ron Guidry. I think he just burned out his small frame.
The surgery he just had doesn’t explain all the mediocre seasons that led up to it.
Fireballers sometimes re-invent themselves, but it’s rare that they do it with great success…
right handed Ron Guidry, that’s a great call.
Over on SF gate Bochy liked the way Peavy gutted it out to get through 6. And Evans said they are sticking to putting Timmy in the Pen if he were to come back
I’m sure that’s the outward-facing statement, but under covers it’s ‘you’ll get a shot if Jake Peavy’s again’
Funny typo in the AP:
He (Peavy) lost to the Reds for the first time Wednesday, allowing home runs by Brandon Phillips, Eugenio Suarez, Zack Cozart and Dam Duvall…
I suspect he will not follow the trend and pick up velocity/improve performance over the season in 2016, but if they stick with him, we can hope . . . .
Or stick him with needles . . .
I totally forgot about the day game…glad I forgot….
I am pretty much close to being over Peavy, but what are our realistic options??? Heston? Has he done much back in AAA?
to me, you give one of the AAA guys a start or two and then…..Timmy. Let’s do it. Why the fuck not? If he gets lit up so be it, I have a very high tolerance for watching that happen to him having seen it for 3+ years. His legacy is in tact no matter what. Plus, I just miss having the dude around.
Bochy and company will say Peavy’s almost “dialed in” and cite those 8 SOs today as evidence. Doubt we get rid of him before the trade deadline.
the trade deadline? Dawg, that almost 3 months from now. If he keeps pitching like this he’ll be well into his new music career by the trade deadline.
Seriously, I don’t see him going anywhere, other than possibly the DL with a “fill in the blank” mystery injury. If I was Charles Johnson for the day, his ass would have been gone after his last fiasco outing.
the Giants aren’t going to let this keep happening. He’s got no big contract to risk and he sucks. Bochy cares more about the bigger picture than his love affair with Peavy. They’ll whisk him off to the DL for months and will only bring him back after every other possibility has failed.
Let’s be real, if Heston or a similar level guy on a minimum contract were being pummeled like Peavy, he’d be optioned down or DFAed…
absolutely. And his deal is off the books at the end of the year so this shouldn’t be too hard to pull the trigger. Jake’s made over 100 million playing this game, he’s a proud guy, he’d probably be fine with getting DFA’d and not have to get embarrassed on the mound anymore….
I think the most likely thing is that a phantom DL stint is coming PEavy’s way, ala the *sprained ankle* that took Barry Zito 3 months to recover from…….
Yep, that’s what probably will happen (see my 6:31pm).
yeah, responded. I guess I misunderstood your “trade deadline” comment. Like the Giants would keep running him out there every five days till the end of July lol
Rays ahead of the Dodgers, 7-2.
At least Cruz and Kasich recognized they were done, and threw in the towel. Giants need to see that in Peavy, or yeah, at least DL him and see if he can scare up some voters, er, out pitches, on rehab. Maybe he can get a medico referral from Payton Manning’s wife…
I heard a little of Bochy’s postgame press conference. Bochy said Peavy pitched well except for one inning.
Yeah, other than that one moment, the Lincolns enjoyed their night at the theater.
Yeah, and this was Peavy’s comment . . .
“Poor execution,” Peavy said. “It was tough in the second inning. There’s a couple of pitches I’d like to get back. I really feel like I settled down and executed pitches after that.”
“Other than that, did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?’…
Sic semper tyrannis!
Rays now 8-2 over LA.
What i find weird and disconcerting is Bochy saying crap like there are no better options that Peavy and Cain. Seriously? There is nobody starting at AA or AAA that can pitch 4 or 5 innings up in the Bigs without getting hammered? What’s down there then, a bunch of losers? What happened to all that talk the last few years about the pipeline of starting arms in the minors? Give me one, just one. Hell, bring Crick up and throw him into the fire. If he’s no good, we’ll find out quickly. Maybe two starts with Rags and Buster tag teaming a young guy, and he’ll be good to go. At least the league hasn’t seen these guys. Heston, Blackburn, Stratton, whomever. Bring em up and let er rip. Other teams do that all the time. I’d rather see a young guy try and get beat up that another Peavy destruction. Never up, never in. Insert whatever tired bromide [here]…
Sounds logical and good to me.
Rockies do it every week. lulz
I don’t do Fantasy baseball, so the Rays lineup, other than Longoria and Dickerson, are a bunch of unknowns to me.
when their opposing pitcher is a lefty they often trot out the right handed platoon guys
Rays have walked 4 guys so far in the 8th. Pathetic.
who would you rather see pitch the next Peavy start, Crick or Timmy (assuming Timmy was at a 100 pitch count which he won’t be but just for the sake of the poll)?
I’d take Timmy in a nano second.
still pissed we didn’t trade Crick when we had the chance to get something good for him. Sabean holds on to these guys like it’s money in the bank and it’s so fucking stupid. THEY ARE CURRENCY. USE IT OR LOSE IT!!!!!
“Hey Sabes, why didn’t you do that deal?”
“Well, they asked for Crick and the talks stopped there.”
“Hey Sabes, turns out Crick sucks…”
Crickets…… (pun intended)
Crawford strikes out to end that weird inning. Rays lead, 8-5.
I’m really excited to hear what happens at Timmy’s showcase on Fri. The more I think about it the more I think he might do ok. TImmy is a pretty weird dude, he could give a shit about the mlb schedule. He’s done this on his timetable, who knows maybe he’s serviceable now? I mean come on, if he’s healthy he HAS to be better than Peavy lol
Hmmm….I don’t know…..but you’ve got me thinking about it…..
Here at the brewpub as I wait to pick up the younger Snarkette from dance class. No Dubs, no Giants , no Sharks. Plenty of other stuff on the big screens, but some how I feel sport naked. A pint of Lagunitas Little Sumpin Sumpin is helping, tho…
The bartenderess with 38Ds helps the lack of local sports. She gave me two free beer samples before I defaulted to Laginitas. I’m a regular. :). Altamont Hop Arsenal IPA– stuff is a little rough…
My regular bartender has 48 Double D’s.
Unfortunately he is a 77 year old man…
They call them Lady Boys in Thailand Loo.
Loo, if I die without having beers with you at least one time my life will end incomplete.
I’m amazed by people who travel to foreign countries.
My idea of a destination wedding is Bensonhurst…
You’re very nice to me, BF. I hope we can pull that off someday.
Lady boys? Is that like “girly men” per Ahhhnold…
No. The difference is astronomical.
We keep our grip on first place! 🙂
Best landing spot for TL—Sand Diego
Zero pressure. Pads are contending for maybe 4th place. Giants/Angels/M’s trying to win pennants.
Pitcher friendly yard…similar to place where he’s been pitching last 4 yrs.
Should be a draw, esp once Pads trade Shields
Flav, honestly in answer to your 7:05 I’m just tired of watching a once great pitcher get his clock cleaned and be clueless where he used to dominate. Just me, but I don’t miss having the dude around if he’s going to pitch like he has for last 4 yrs. This isn’t a blip on the radar, it’s like watching a car accident.
It’s less about velocity than command and control, esp of his fastball. Synd got his 98 shit taken out of the yard by Pence and the same thing happens to Strick too. Without command and control, Lincecum has been a losing cause for a long time now.
I’ve said before I could see him as a reliever, less wear and tear getting a couple guys out at a time. SP, no.
Who could argue with that?
What’s it like to be smart?
His other pitches did allow him to be less than precise with the mid 90s fastball, while he had it.
I said this last year – I believe what Timmy’s physician said about the surgery likely being able to bring back his velocity to what it was back in his glory years . . . I will continue to believe this until I see evidence (Friday) that this is BS. Unlike you Willie, I think his velocity is a prime reason for his downfall the last 4-5 years.
However, if he shits his pants during his tryout on Friday and is only as good (bad?) as he was before his hip surgery, I still believe he’s better than what Peavy has shown. In either case, sign him. IMO, he brings other intangibles to the team, e.g., everyone loves him.
Mike Leake currently checking in with a 6.03 ERA and smoking the most copious amounts of pole. I think I’d still take him over another Peavy start. But I’d prefer Timmy to either of them (once Timmy gets his pitch count up)
I agree with whoever said letting Petit get away was a mistake…
James. And he was right.
And I agree that 48 Double Ds on a 77 year old are disagreeable, male or female.
lol, I was trying to do the math and geometry on that and it wasn’t adding up.
Hey, I said that, too.
Tim’s past few seasons illustrate the fluky meaninglessness of no-hitters…
I just realized I have tickets for Peavy’s next start . . . .
You got screwed, blued, and tattooed.
Reemed, steamed and dry-cleaned (50’s Brooklyn)…
You have my sympathy.
The Nats are paying Petit a whole $3 million this season.
I’m going to the May 21st game. I’m afraid to calculate who the starting pitcher will be.
Already paid my Cainer dues this year.
We all seem to get frustrated with Sabe/Evans and Bochy remaining way too loyal to under-performing veterans such as Peavy for way too long. Funny to read Flap analysis of the quotes about “he’s close” or “pitched well except for that one inning”. Reading between the lines, I’m thinking management is also tiring of having to pull out those well-worn quotes. This time it’s possible they’re just being good soldiers and of course are not going to throw Peavy under the media bus, but in actuality, wheels are turning behind the scenes. Yeah, it’s only May (can’t say it’s only April anymore), but you gotta think that this time, a change is not far off. So, Oliver, hold on to those tix, ya never know….
absolutely true on the *not throwing him under the bus* thing. I mean, why would they? No reason. Wheels behind the scene are turning and churning.
Anybody know when the owners first agreed to guaranteed contracts? What a stoopid thing to do. Hangin’ in with Peavy is the result of that. And, I’m usually for labor…
I know this is cold hearted and I’ll take the hits, but could Dave Dravecky with his right arm have a better chance for success then”Jake Im always getting Raked Peavy?”
Hey, did I ever mention I was at the game in Montreal when Dravecky popped his arm? … ‘Twas pure horror!
I’d like to see Cueto pitch live. The guy has moves…
Yes, a show I also want to see.
One series I’d love to see this season is Giants at Cubs. I saw one Cubs game years ago at Wrigley. I’d enjoy seeing the rehab, because although when I was there in the 90s, it was really cool, it was still a dump. An upgraded Wrigley should be way cool, and the neighborhood bar action is hard to beat. Add a steak at a chop house somewhere, and a night at a couple of blues clubs — that’s a winning combo. Last time I was in Chicago I hit 3 blues clubs on the North Side one night, and by the time the third one, and best one, rolled round, I was feeling darn good. The music crew at that last place was awesome with some Delta blues, so good I had about a handful of vodka tonics and started bummin’ cigs off of people (smoking was allowed), and I didn’t even smoke…
Mrs. James and I are contemplating. Early September should be perfect. Robbie Fulks is doing his Monday night residency at the Hideout again. Big Star tacos.
We are aiming for the Peavy start that series.
He might be starting at a club, not at Wrigley…
Snarkk, the MLB players have such a good situation because they’ve always been willing to go on strike and stay on strike. The NFL players’ strikes have always fallen apart, but the baseball players stick to their guns, to the point of getting the World Series cancelled in ’94. When the ’95 Spring Training started, the players were still on strike, and the owners used replacement players in ST. The owners talked about using replacement players for the start of the regular season, but they caved in. The owners just wouldn’t start the regular season with replacement players, like the NFL owners did.
That fuckin strike killed baseball in Montreal.
Yeah, they were having a great season in ’94. Lots of talent on that team. A good chance to make it to the World Series. And that would have changed baseball history in Montreal.
What a little beast that Altuve is … 8 Hrs already!
Hey Big Flav … How ’bout that Duvall? What at stud uh? 😉
Lisle, Flavor is 100% correct about Duvall, but after the many times a single game’s results has undercut the unassailable truth of a position I’ve staked out on the Flap, your … bald opportunism made me laugh.
Yeah, I get it but I can’t resist pullin his chain … after all, he started it! All I did was point out I preferred Duvall over Leake .. and he agreed .. Then he went off on how I was somehow overly enamoured with Duvall. Sure, I saw Duvall play in Fresno and was impressed by some of the bombs he hit — not as impressed as I was watching Correa here before the Astros called him up — but I too am pretty sure Duvall won’t amount to much … but I do like the French Canadian sound of his name, it almost sounds famous. Yet, I guess it’s on between Flav & I on this topic … it’s cool, I’ll play along!
Yeah, I’ve been behind giving Timmy a shot. He’s Timmy for God’s sake. He was the light at the dystopian end of the Bonds tunnel of darkness.
Yeah, when Joe Montana (and others) crossed the picket line, the end was nigh for them.
And yeah, Wrigley is a blast. The heat can be brutal though. Watched the Dodgers beat the shit out of the Cubs 7-0 back in 1995 (Also went in 1968). We sat under the scoreboard, hung over as shit, and it was 103 in late May. Don’t think we made it past the 6th. Found an air conditioned bar nearby. Didn’t catch too much shit for wearing a Giants hat. Enemy of my enemy or something like that . . .
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