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Back Home vs Birds

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 12, 2016

We get kind of a fun inter league match up tonight. Normally I don’t like inter league but I’ll put up with it for an mid Aug match up with the struggling Orioles. I’ve said many times, the Orioles were one of my favorite teams in the 70’s, mostly because of the cool ass names of their players (Palmer, DeCinces, Bumbry, etc…) but also because I thought “Orioles” was a rad name.

I never thought Baltimore was good enough to win the AL East this year and am surprised that they are still in the race. I highly doubt they’ll be there in the end. Cain should be able to manage them if he changes speeds and keeps the ball on the corners. He’s facing a free swinging team tonight. I’m very excited to see their starting pitcher Dylan Bundy. He’s a young, high strikeout guy who seems to have put his injuries behind him.

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  1. Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:19 am

    I gotta love games with the Orioles. Since they are considered a local team for me, the games will be televised here.

    • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:40 am

      let us know who does their games and what you think of them. Insights you posted from FP (!) were very cool.
      enjoy man…hope no more 14 inning games at least unless Giants pull them out.

      • Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:21 am

        I hear ya willie.

  2. xoot said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:33 am

    Checking BBRef this morning I figured maybe I should click on Bundy’s name, get up to speed. 4th pick in 2011, immediate call up the next Sept. for one inning, then gone for four years? On to google. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wikipedia page with such an extreme ratio of baseball info / personal stuff than Dylan Bundy’s. Hell, I don’t even know if he had parents, but I’ll be watching for the cutter he uses against LHs.

  3. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:41 am

    LIke Zum said in last thread, up to Giants hurlers to keep ball in the yard. A’s did for first 3 games and beat them. Kind of surprised they are on top too; supposed to have excellent pen.

    Noticed in news that Jose Bautista is going on DL with sprained knee that he is hitting .222. Second time on the DL, currently 35, and going to be FA. Hmmn.

    One of the things mentioned in the Kurkjian book about older mgrs. like Dusty B and players of his era is their disappointment in how often modern players strike out.

  4. gianthead said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:42 am

    Loo, I assume you don’t like most NYers don’t have AC. How do you survive during this heat wave??? Check in to the Y??? Or sketchy hotel in the Bronx???

    I would not even go outside if I didn’t have to run errands…heat index here boys at Noon today is expected to be 111:(

    • Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:18 am

      OBX has been in the triple digits as well, GH. What yardwork that needs to get done, I try and get it in before noon (yesterday went longer though), been also painting the front porch. Work outside for an hour or two come in and cool off a bit then go back out and do it again.

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2016 at 12:02 pm

        My lawn is going to have to wait Bozo…my crazed neighbor was out mowing around 10 am…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      Gonna be 100 here today, and 102 next couple of days. But it’s a “dry heat.”

      Thank goodness I am getting the hell outta town on Sunday to see our boys against the O’s.

  5. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:20 am

    Big contrast in styles btw. SF and Balt and of course park factor plays into things quite a bit.
    Both Giants and O’s are 6th in their respective leagues for runs scored, but:
    O’s are first in HRs, 2nd slugging 2nd OPS.
    Giants are 3rd OB 13th HR and slugging 9th OPS.
    O’s have struck out 938 times, giants non pitchers 684.
    Giants have drawn 404 walks, O’s 329 (with DH no less).
    Giants second in triples, O’s dead last.

    Always liked O’s as opposed to Yanks/Boston going back to early 60s, and even more once they acquired Frank Robinson. Weaver was always a hoot, and pretty sharp guy too. Schowalter, ugh, though recognized as again a very astute mgr.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 12:58 pm

      Good stuff, WillieD. Thanks for pulling that together. And Giants leading in triples is I am sure related to park factor (I would be surprised if they had more on the road than at home).

  6. alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:30 am

    Besides the Giants as the #1 team for me , the Orioles were my next with great players like Frank Robinson, Brook Robinson ( the human vacuum) Paul Blair,Boog Powell,Mark no hit but great glove Belanger,Eldrod Hendrix ?, the fantastic 4 Pitchers Pamer, McNally,Cuellar,Dobson and that crazy reliever Don 2 pack Stackhouse which Earl called him every time he pitched! Great team!!!

  7. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:36 am

    Giants have only 2 guys with 80+ Ks on the year, led by Belt with 98.
    O’s have 5 with 80+, led by Chris Davis with 155 and M Trumbo with 127.

  8. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:40 am

    For you DuffHeads….he’s been activated by the Rays.

    • eddacker said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:43 am

      heard he is going to be the starting ss today.

  9. sandog said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:44 am

    We’ve talked about it before Flav, but I also had a thing for the Orioles growing up. Palmer was the man, of course—-though I do remember being bummed out a time or two when he got roughed up in the all star game. As a kid I wasn’t that into autographs and was pretty shy about approaching players in the first place, but the first time I ever asked a player for an autograph was Al Bumbry at the Coliseum and he was cool and signed a program for me. As for DeCinces, I’ve mentioned this before, but when I went to Game 7 of the 2002 World Series, I talked to him briefly as we were both walking up to the stadium. He was very friendly as well.
    Duffheads—-I like it! I always wondered if Duffy put pressure on himself to hit homers playing 3B and if that led to some of his slumps. If there is anything to that, maybe playing SS will allow him to not worry about that as much. I still wish we hadn’t made that trade, but I’m getting over it. I wish the guy the best and will definitely be keeping tabs on him.

  10. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:50 am

    Duffy may or may not go onto a good career. But, I don’t see the lamentation of losing the guy at this point. He had one good season. If Sabean can trade Matt Williams, he can trade Duffy. The Williams trade turned out pretty well…

    • sandog said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:54 am

      I was disappointed they traded Duffy. The Matt Williams trade devastated me—I can’t even compare the two. But yeah, the Williams trade worked out pretty damn well.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      I am with you, snarkk, and I liked (and still do) DuffMan a lot. But everything I heard and read was that Tampa was adamant about him being a part of the trade. Classic example of you have to give up something to get something in return. I still think it was a good trade…we definitely need a pitcher like Moore more than we need an exciting (but relatively unproven) young IFer, IMO.

  11. alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2016 at 11:35 am

    We all loved the Duffster but the writing was on the wall when they picked up Nooner. Crawdaddy locked in for 6yrs, no place for Arroyo except 3rd which their grooming him right now for. Nooner fills the gap for this season and hopefully beyond as a valuable addition..

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 11:47 am

      Yeah, if they weren’t going to try to convert Arroyo or Duffy to a leftfielder, one of them was probably destined to be traded. The Giants’ brass probably really tossed that around back and forth before deciding that Arroyo had the bigger longterm upside. And it turned out that Duffy could get the Giants Matt Moore.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 1:06 pm

        Yep. As I mentioned earlier, I have heard that the Giants tried that deal a multiple of ways (wanting to keep Duffy), but Tampa said Duffy was a part of the deal, or no deal.

  12. gianthead said, on August 12, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Revised Heat Index: 114 degrees as I type…

  13. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    Nice thread, Flav. Yes…I had a soft-spot for the O’s as a kid, too (must be something about birds, as you all know I grew up in Oklahoma as a Cards fan). But I always liked their uniforms, too. It will be a “Halloween-type” night with both clubs rocking the Orange and Black.

    Four in Seven! Humm Baby – Let’s Do It Again!

  14. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    Given team colors tonight, this may be the orangiest Orange Friday ever…

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      BTW, don’t Gyros have a losing record on Orange Fridays? If yes, maybe go to Black Fridays instead…

  15. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    Wheeler heading back to see Dr. Andrews.

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 3:05 pm

      The Mets seem to get more than their share of pitching arm issues, but maybe it’s just a coincidence. But maybe not.

  16. zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    I didn’t like Collins’ “rant” the other day. He faked at taking responsibility, in my opinion. He said “I’m the manager, and it’s my responsibility; but blah blah blah” as we want on to blame everyone else.
    If he’s going to take responsibility, then say “I’m the manager, it’s my fault, it’s up to me to get this turned around.” The end. THAT’S taking responsibility. Not the rambling statement that he made.

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      I 100 percent agree. Guys in charge who say “I’m accountable” and then no consequence follows this statement ate fos Imo.

  17. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    I still haven’t watched any Olympics events . . . However, I read an article about Hope Solo’s poor sportsmanship, where she made these disgusting comments about the Swedish soccer team, who were victorious over the U.S.

    “(I think) we played a bunch of cowards,” Solo told reporters after the match. “You saw us give everything that we had today. Unfortunately the better team didn’t win.”

    Fuck that bitch.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 4:09 pm

      Losers often say dumb stuff after a tough loss. Timmy never made excuses or blamed others while losing during his decline. I respected him for that. He was a straight shooter in that regard…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 4:34 pm

        She embarrassed the USA. I equate her comments with the bullshit coming out of Trump’s pie hole.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:45 pm

        I’m getting convinced Trump is doing this daily ration of BS because he wants to lose. He’s building a doofus fan base after he loses that he is going to milk for millions and millions for the next decade, just like these reich wing radio hosts do. He’ll do radio shows, sell crap, do speeches, and rail against the establishment — all the while taking in loads of dough…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm

        Good call, Tom. I agree 100%. I can tell you right now, HRC is our next president. I am not a fan (have been a hard-core Bernie guy with monthly $$$ contributions), but regardless, she will be the next Commander in Chief. And she is much more qualified than Trump for the position. Thinking about out Trump having his finger on our nuclear arsenal is scary as hell! Okay…let’s get back to baseball. GO GIANTS!

  18. unca_chuck said, on August 12, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    It was Brooks Robinson for me as a kid. He was such a sick fielder. Him and Frank Robinson.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      Graig Nettles was better – no one will ever convince me otherwise…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:46 pm

        Definitely an arguable comment, Loo.

  19. zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    When I think of Earl Weaver I just think of the endless arguing with the umpires. I am grateful to instant replay for getting rid of a lot of that. I don’t miss it at all.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:09 pm

      I thought for a long time that managers arguing with umps added flavor. I’ve changed, agree it was and is a waste of time. Now the argument essentially can only be on balls and strikes. Robo ump will do away with that nonsense…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

        The bullshit inconsistency on calling balls and strikes, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, the lack of accountability for umps who constantly fuck up has put me in the robot ump camp. Bring it on. I am so tired of the bullshit that is the 20 different strike zones, etc.

  20. djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Duffy GIDP in first AB…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      Thanks for ruining my evening Loo. 😦

      • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:11 pm

        It’s what I do best…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      jk

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:11 pm

      sort of

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      Substitute Matt Duffy for Randolph Scott

  21. Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    I Know I’m probably in the minority here, but I never liked Cal Ripken, still don’t.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:10 pm

      Jr. or Sr. or both? Regardless, I didn’t like his son. Father was cool I thought.

      • Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:08 pm

        Jr.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      Never liked him either, Bozo…

  22. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    Snarkk– I’ve thought this for months (about Trump). He only started doing this because he had a half hearted concrete message about “Making America Great Again.” He probably just wanted to sell the hats. lulz. Then this thing took off and he rolled with it because it stroked his ego, it gave his lame wife and kids something to do and hey, what else is a billionaire supposed to do? Now it’s like “Oh shit I don’t actually want to do WORK, I better lose.” Now he’s sabotaging while still staying true to himself and doing whatever the fuck he wants. He knows he’s going to lose. And then after all this is over he’s going to have 30% of our country’s dumb and dumbest following him, adoring him and buying ALL his shit…..
    From my perspective Trump is brilliant. He’s taken his business to another level. And he’s dependent on the dumbest part of our population following him. Who can’t get dumb people to follow them? Look how easy this was, it’s almost scary what he got dopes to do. This entire thing, when it’s over, is just going to be a joke on us and he’s going to win (privately).

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      Can I use this so people will think I’m smart?

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      Yep, he’s scamming all these idiot followers so he can pick their pockets later when he plays the “I got robbed by a rigged system” card. Like Glenn Beck selling gold shit to his moronic followers. Trump is good at fraud, ask the suckers who blew their mortgage money on tuition to “Trump University”. One thing I think is amusing is that Melania is probably an illegal. He won’t release any paperwork on how she’s legally in this country. That would be Yuge — the first First Lady that is actually an illegal…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:53 pm

      He is a brillant business man. But he has filed bankruptcy like 6 or 7 times. He is the anti-thesis of what we should want and expect our country to be. I try VERY HARD to NOT use the H word, but I hate that fucking cocksucker! I really wish I could meet him and kick him as hard as I can in the fucking nuts, and then when he doubles over in excruciating pain, I would deliver a knee to his smirky ass face. I would not be sad if someone took his ass out. Fuck that motherfucker. So, you want me to REALLY tell you how I feel?!

  23. djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Duffy has a single in 3 ABs so far.
    Rosenthal says Giants should’ve held on to him…

    • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:26 pm

      If it was him or Panik to the Rays, what would you have done? wonder what Rosenthal would have said?
      Hindsight of course being 20/20.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      Rosenthal is wrong, IMO. The Giants needed Moore more than they need Duffy. Tampa INSISTED on Duffy as part of the deal. I make that trade (in the current situation) all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. And I really loved DuffMan. That’s baseball…

  24. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    Brooks Robinson: career chances 9196; fielding .971.
    Graig Nettles: career chances 7691; fielding .961
    Cal Ripken: career chances 12620; fielding .977

  25. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Michelle Carter, daughter of former Niner D-lineman great Michael Carter, just won gold in women’s shotput…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:57 pm

      That is bad ass! Carter was a BEAST in his prime.

  26. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    Hopefully, Cain can keep the Birds to 2 HRs max in his likely 5 2/3 or so innings of work tonight…

  27. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    I’ll give Orioles the advantage in better uni for black/orange teams tonite.
    Yes, appears the Great Karmatic Equalizer has decided Hope Solo’s account is overdrawn.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:26 pm

      “Great Karmatic Equalizer”

      Got to remember that one Willie.

      • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:27 pm

        I think I first saw that expression in an old High Times mag.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

        LOVED “High Times” mag. You took me back there. Thanks, WilleD. And I love the “Great Karmatic Equalizer.” Good stuff! We really need to meet at a future Flapalooza!

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      For whatever reason, I was thinking of Johnny Carson when he did Carnac the Magnificent (I had to look it up and I was surprised the spelling was Carnac and not Karnac).

  28. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    Nice play by Nunez.

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:41 pm

      he’s not bouncing ’em over to first base, is he?

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:42 pm

        Actually, he fielded a grounder and made an “around the horn” double play.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:43 pm

        Are you watching the game Flav or on your phone?

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:01 pm

        i was responding to a nice play he made throwing to first. I’ve got a lot going on here tonight, not sure what inning it was.

  29. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    That was nice start of the DP by Nunez and a good play to get Cain off mound in 2nd. I’m just curious what SF plans to do with him.
    And I admit to being suspicious of guys putting up good numbers on crummy teams (like Jay Bruce).

    Twins are 23 games under .500. Their pitching is dead last in AL and they are also dead last in hits runs/earned runs and HRs.
    So likely they were behind early and often to other teams…like yesterday when Astros scored 25 runs on them in sweeping a DH. By 5th inning of each game, scores were 12-3 and 9-0. At that point the SP is just out there throwing strikes and not worrying much about results.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:03 pm

      Nunez is AE next year, and with him making 1.45 this year, even with a nice bump in arbitration, he is going to be cheap. He will “keep the seat warm” for Arroyo. And no guarantees Arroyo will be ready in 2018. I can see the Giants trying to ink a deal with Nunez. He fits the Sabevans mold in that he is a guy who has speed and can play a number of positions, both IF and OF.

  30. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    Birds making it look like an easy conga line there.
    I wonder how the Giants would hit Cain and Peavy? Probably not well…

  31. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Great play by Machado

  32. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Might have had something going there, but for the excellent fielding play and force at 2nd by Machado . . . We’ll never know now.

  33. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Trumbo hit that and took about a 2 inch step. Still crushed it. I don’t know why I keep getting sucked into Cain being a guy we can count on the rest of this year.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:03 pm

      Cain sucks. I gave him max 5 2/3 tonight. That looks wildly optimistic.
      $20 million of suckage is a lot of suckage…

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:03 pm

        it’s really shocking how great he and Timmy were when they made shit compared to when they made their dough.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:05 pm

        You guys both nailed it in regards to Cain and Timmy. Just a real head-shaker in regards to Cain. I am with you Craig…I have NO confidence in the dude (number five starter or not).

    • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      maybe we can save him for when Nats come back to town.

  34. zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    Cain is giving the O’s a nice BP session.

  35. zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    Go Bucs, up 4-1.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:10 pm

      All we have left is whoever is playing the Dodgers.
      Better start paying attention to Wild Card standings…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm

        Good call, Loo (unfortunately).

  36. zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    Hopefully Hope Solo isn’t drinking heavily right now. She’s a mean drunk.

    • sandog said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      Lulz!

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      But I would still do her, mean drunk or not. Might get my ass kicked in the process of getting laid, but WTF…

  37. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Buddy of mine in HS liked the White Sox but used to make jokes about IF Don (stone fingers) Buford. Sox started him at 2b then moved him to 3b, where he made 45 errors in 2 seasons.
    They traded him to O’s who moved him primarily to LF. He was awesome there, going over .800 OPS 4 seasons in a row btw 68-71 with very nice WAR numbers.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      Personal trivia: Buford was the first batter at the first game I ever attended.
      WGAS…

  38. djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Span-pa!

  39. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Surprised that Kelly didn’t hold him up at 3rd. lulz

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

      Bochy has probably told the team to ignore Kelly and use their own judgement…

  40. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    buzzkill AB there from Belt after nice ones from Span and Pagan.
    Post AS break he’s lost 20 points off the BA. Not good.

  41. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    I’ll give him this, he hangs in there and gets blasted like a man. That’s gotta count for something.

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      In WWII, the expression for pilots about to crash was “Shut up, and die like an aviator.”

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:40 pm

        when the plane is going down, the pilots meticulously go through all their checks, if none of it works they literally go “I guess that’s it” and then they crash. Feels like that’s what Cain is doing and I don’t get it, his velocity is there, he’s not spraying his pitches all over like Lincecum was doing. It just makes no sense……….

  42. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    Cain fucked up covering, Kim fucked up worse. Total brain fart by both teams.

  43. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    Cain is like a Cain I never knew. It’s bizarre. He’s still throwing 91 but he’s just nearly worthless. He walks off the mound like a guy who knows he can’t compete anymore. I don’t get what’s happened to him, he seems healthy……..

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:39 pm

      Agree 100% Craig. It is fucking mind-boggling. I do not get it.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      I think Cain and Lincecum just wore out from too much use.
      Kind of like my Black Sabbath Paranoid album…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:09 pm

        LOVED that album, Loo! And in regards to your comment, I WORE OUT that fucking album in high school!

      • Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:15 pm

        The one time that I saw Sabbath live was down in Hollywood in the 70s, I think it was at the Palace because I remember photos of Lawrence Welk around the place. I wasn’t arrested that night, so it was a win for me.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

      Even in his prime, I never thought Cain had really great stuff…

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm

        I agree. I was not a fan of that big contract when it went down.

      • xoot said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:02 pm

        Cain’s prime was brief. I remember when he took 2-3 mph off his FB–2009, I think–and started pitching with some command, offspeed stuff working too. He rode that prime through the 2010 PS. 3 games, no earned runs in that PS. Then the gradual decline began in 2011. Worst game I ever saw him pitch at the park was in May 2007. He tried to overpower the Phillies and didn’t make it to the 4th.

  44. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    Just getting settled in…been running like crazy. Grand daughter’s BD tomorrow, then going to a concert with my daughter and her boyfriend. tomorrow night, and finally Giants game on Sunday. But, what I have observed so far, I just question Cain as the 5th guy in the rotation. But, what are the options (I do not think there are any other viable options other than putting Peavy back in the rotation)? I am sure most team’s 5th guy sucks about as much as Cain sucks.

    Bottom line, tow the line here, and the offense has to wake the fuck up and score some runs. Sorry, this is not the team (given our pitching staff) that is going to win a ton of close 1-0 games, etc.

  45. Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    Pence is back….

  46. Flavor said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Um, Chris Davis is not go oppo bomb on everyone. In fact, he’s having a pretty shitty year without his precious steroids. And he took Cain out to the woodshed there.

    • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

      Every hitter in the LU except SP had at least 1 hit. Wieters has been shits too and he cracked one off wall.
      3 doubles 2 HRs no cheapies either.
      Maybe earlier in career Cain could get away with “location mistakes” but not now.
      He just seems mystified, like huh? did that really happen?
      Um yeah it’s 5-1 and you’re gonzo.

  47. Macdog said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    Bummed this series isn’t at Camden Yards, a great place to see a game. Only time Giants have played there was in ’04, saw Bonds crush a HR over RF stands after O’s manager Mazzilli didn’t walk him with first base open.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      Great post, Mac. But I am thankful for this series. I have always wanted to see the O’s and my daughter and I will take in Sunday’s game. I would love to see a game a Camden. If Giants visit there in the next couple of years, it will be time to T-up another right coast Flapalooze!

      • Macdog said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:21 pm

        That’s cool, hope you can catch a W.

  48. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    Mind boggling that we are 16 games over .500 . . . Our team has completely sucked since the All Star break. I don’t even know who these guys are.

    • Macdog said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      Catching up on earlier posts, did you see the response to Solo’s comments? “It’s OK to be a coward if you win,” responded Sweden coach Pia Sundhage, the same woman who coached the United States to back-to-back Olympic gold medals in 2008 and 2012.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:15 pm

        Yeah, especially Foudy’s comments about her being “classless.” As Zum alluded to, she’s a loser . . . Arrested for domestic violence, as this excerpt from an article illustrates . . .

        “It was early in the morning on June 21, 2014, and Hope Solo had just been arrested on two counts of domestic violence. The police were trying to book her into jail, but Solo was so combative that she had to be forced to the ground, prompting her to yell at one officer, “You’re such a b—-. You’re scared of me because you know that if the handcuffs were off, I’d kick your ass.”

      • willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:32 pm

        check out the arrest record of the loser she married, J Stevens of UW and Seahawks.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      Steve – funny how our memory is short-lived. Go back and check-out 2014. They had a really rough spell out of the AS break that year, too.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:20 pm

        Yeah, I recall . . . However, this feels different IMO. Personally, if I had the authority, I’d do a “Dodgers move” and just eat the contract on Cain and release him. Put Peavy in his slot. Alternatively, Cain can go to the minors and work out his shit. Giants brass need to do something with him.

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:06 pm

        Will not argue with that (that the brass needs to do something)…but this season is much like 2014 in regards to a very fast start, and then…a fair amount of sucktitude….

  49. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    Schoop is a really good looking young hitter.
    How’d you like .280 .790 OPS 17 bombs out of your 2b?
    Plus he made super scoop and throw on the ball Machado snagged and almost doubled up Pence.

  50. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    Bochy’s down with my earlier call. Max 2 HRs, and Cain is done. If I were managing, I would not have let him start the 5th, he was getting his ass kicked. What’s Kruk’s excuse this time for Cain? Effin A, he gave up 11 hits? I figured after they got Moore, it would be a race to the drain between Peavy and Cain. Looks like Cain is circling it — agree with blade, the dude needs to go on the DL — screw his paycheck, get somebody in here that can pitch. There has to be some arm in the minors that can get through 5 innings without getting smoked…

  51. Bozo said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    The tequila is gone and so am I… Go giants.

  52. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    Is Adrianza PHing as a RH batter really an improved chance for a hit over Gilaspie hitting LHed? Seriously. I don’t see much point in that…

  53. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    Did Kruk say 12 Giants retired in a row? Sheesh, watching grass grow has more action.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:56 pm

      This has been more than a slump. These guys are sleepwalking through these games. They ought to DFA Cain and Blanco just to wake people up. The way I figure it, they only owe Cain about $30 million, assuming the $7 million buyout for 2018. Cain has now stolen about $50+ million for the past 2 1/2+ years of suckage…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 9:59 pm

        Down with that (like last week).

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:13 pm

        I said long ago that the team should DFA Blanco. Have not thought about Cain, but hard to argue with ya, Tom. Team owes him 20 mil next year and a 7 mil team option in 18. Maybe Cain takes a “hometown discount” on the buyout and takes 15 mil to walk away .

  54. sandog said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    You guys need to RELAX regarding Cain. He has been pitching well and tonight he had no fastball command and got lit up. It’s gonna happen sometimes to any guy who doesn’t throw 95 plus.
    Giving up an oppo homer to Chris Davis? No shame in that–its not like he’s a modern day Mark Belanger. Even in a down year he’s got 25 bombs. I still think Cain is gonna hold his own the rest of the way.

    • xoot said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:06 pm

      your beatitudes continue to impress. what’s the expression in Spanish? Ojalá que you turn out to be right

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:11 pm

      Dog, come on man. Cain has been terrible, with flashes of OK. ERA 5.15, and 1.51 WHIP. Last time, sure, he gave up no hits in 5, but threw about 95 pitches and half of them he had no idea where they were headed…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:14 pm

        Agree.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:17 pm

        I don’t blame Cain. The Giants knew, before they gave him this big contract, that he had Ipanema Beach in his elbow. But, they extended him anyway. After that surgery, he’s been toast. I don’t see how you give a guy $120 million under those conditions. Extend him a year, or have the surgery in the offseason, then see what happens before you extend. They didn’t have to give him 6 years, but they did. Huge mistake…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      Disagree about Cain. He’s through. Seriously. At least with Timmy, he struck out guys. Cain? Nada (62 SO in 79 innings, which is terrible). Couple that with a 5.48 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, 15 bombs, and a whopping .311 BAA . . . Umm, tell me where there’s a silver lining in his stats? We all spent 4 years thinking Lincecum would come around. How did that work out?

      • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm

        Great post. I could not agree more (and with all due respect to SanDiggity)…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:14 pm

      Applaud your optimism…but I just do not see it.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:14 pm

        Yep.

  55. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    I was thinking about going to the game Sunday w/the Snarkettes. They’re back in school next week, last decent chance to go to our annual game. But, hell. I’m dubious about spending $175 by the time I’m done, to watch this team go through the motions…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      Stay home and watch the game…I will spend those ducats for ya,…

      But fuck it. I don’t care how badly this team sucks. I need a break from the valley heat, and am long overdue for a taking in a game with my baby girl (who turned 30 in May)…all good.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm

        I hope to hell you have a good game to see, Chi…

  56. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    Let’s get a rally going here…

  57. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    Signs of Belt life!…

  58. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Regardless of how badly Cain sucks or how awful the BP can be at times, if this team cannot figure out how to score some runs regularly, it is all a very moot fucking point.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      True that…

  59. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Agree, Chuck. Not much point of talking about pitching when the team is scoring 2 runs or less in more than half their games the past month, unless you’re talking about having 3 or 4 Kershaws or Bumgarners in the rotation (and he hasn’t won in the last month anyway)….

  60. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    What a pathetic excuse for a game. I keep waiting (not unlike all of you guys) for this team to find another gear. SIGH…

  61. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    G’nite Flappers…

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      G’night, Tom. Let me know if you decide to take in Sunday’s game. Jessi and I will be in the club level.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:21 pm

        Will do. I’m down on it right now. Maybe a good one tomorrow will pull my dauber up…

  62. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    I could give a fuck what some of you guys think about the Olympics (big respect to ya SanDiggity), but they have been and will be SO much more entertaining than that piece of shit game the Giants played tonight…

  63. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Cain’s line tonight . . .

    IP H R ER BB SO WHIP ERA
    This Game 4.0 11 5 5 1 7 3.00 11.25

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:21 pm

      I say Peavy gets the next start. Fuck it…if they do not DFA Cain, at least put his ass in the bullpen. He has done NOTHING to deserve another start.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm

        Why not? Sure couldn’t hurt. The only two things I will say is that possibly Cain is still building up arm strength (isn’t this his 5th start since coming off the DL?); and, he did SO 7 guys tonight. However, you have to take this with a grain of salt, since the Orioles set the MLB record this season (May I think against the Astros) striking out 52 times in a 4 game series.

  64. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Steve, also agree with your thought that this slow death march feels different than ’14. Then, it was excruciating how they could go from the best record in the majors to playing the worst stretch of ball in the majors…. but I somehow felt they would pull out of it, which they did. I still feel like they will start clicking again, just needing a guy like Pence to shoulder the team for a bit, but these guys are all a couple years older than in 2014. Maybe they’re just tired. Sure look tired….

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      Agree with that synopsis, Paul. They DO look very tired. It is hard to imagine what you envision (one or a couple of the guys catching fire and carrying the team out of these doldrums). Not dooming, but…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:24 pm

      Ironically, we had a bunch of subs playing before the All Star break and we were kicking ass and taking names. Baseball is hard to figure out sometimes.

  65. willedav said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Pirates are #1.

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:24 pm

      Love the Pirates (right now)!

  66. snarkk said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    BTW, as I say g’nite, a few above were talking about Camden Yards. I saw a game there back in the ’90s, really nice yard. Saw the Boids play the A’s, of all teams. EZ train ride up from DC, train stops right outside the park. Enjoyable place to see a game…

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:31 pm

      Yeah, love that park. Saw a game there in the mid 90s too. New aquarium had just been built down the street. Was attending a conference there.

  67. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    That’s right, Steve. Still don’t understand why Parker is in Sacto. They’ve buried him and continue to trot out Blanco, Span…. Can’t really question management, they obviously know more than we do, but………….

    • chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 11:35 pm

      But…

  68. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    25 games since the break…. 13 of them, scored 2 runs or fewer. 2 of those were actually wins. They just need to soldier thru August, I guess, keeping close, and then have a kick-ass September to propel them into the playoffs. Yes, they *just* need…..

  69. Macdog said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Just watched the high(and low)lights, was that a homer by Trumbo homer or the Perseid meteor shower?

  70. eddacker said, on August 12, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    I say we forget the next game while the whole team spends the day in a sweat lodge confessing their sins and dedicating the rest of this season to winning. nothing but winning.
    see you Sunday.

  71. chipower9 said, on August 12, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    I am with you in your 10:54, Edd. I will probably miss tomorrow’s game. Grand daughter’s BD party during the day, and then catching David Allen Coe with my daughter and her boyfriend at a small club in Sac tomorrow night. Then Sunday…off to the cool temperatures of the City by the Bay (we’re catching the ferry out of Vallejo…first time). Give me a Bloody Mary bar keep…make it a double.

    G’night FU.

  72. willedav said, on August 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    Unreal numbers for offense last night around the league: 51 HRs hit over 160 runs scored.
    Meanwhile…
    Belt Posey Pence succession of bad ABs. Pence is swinging at pitches like Sandoval did. Even the double he got was on a pitch way off the plate. Add in Craw 2-15 with 6 Ks from middle order.
    Was it kinda weird Nunez was first guy subbed out after 2 ABs?
    Supposedly the regular 3b…hmmn.

  73. unca_chuck said, on August 13, 2016 at 10:04 am

    I know we went south in 2014, but was it this bad?

  74. Macdog said, on August 13, 2016 at 10:27 am

    Giants’ peak in 2014 was 43-21 (June 8), their lowest points afterward were 63-57 and 64-58 (Aug. 12/15), so this year’s team hasn’t bottomed out quite that badly . . . yet.

  75. djloo27 said, on August 13, 2016 at 11:19 am

    So I believe 2 Yankees making their ML debuts hit back to back homers in their first ABs.
    How crazy is that?

    • zumiee said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      Wow! That will cheer up Yankee fans.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:08 pm

      Does this mean ARod isn’t coming back?

  76. wilcojoe said, on August 13, 2016 at 11:49 am

    Geoff Blum, the Astros tv color guy was discussing how they stole signs when playing in Toronto. Apparently they would have a guy sitting in one of those hotel rooms in centerfield of the skydome with a pair of binoculars and the Game on TV. They would use both to steal signs from the catcher and then relay to the hitter. If the light in the room stayed on it was a fastball, if it went dark it was off speed. Thus why Toronto is such a great hitters park.

  77. unca_chuck said, on August 13, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Thanks Mac. Yeah it feels worse than 2014, but I guess we still have room to go.

    You’d think the law of averages would swing our way some time soon.

    • djloo27 said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:04 pm

      It already has, Chuck. That’s why they suck now.
      Payback for that 40-15 stretch…

  78. zumiee said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    Papelbon asked the Nats to release him, and they did.
    Any teams want the idiot?

    • Flavor said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      Remember that TV shot of him sunning himself asleep while Melancon was warming up? What an idiot, me-first guy. Fuck him.

  79. zumiee said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    Suarez, Parker, Williamson, and Tomlinson are toiling in Sac-town. I like them better than what we have on our bench right now.

  80. Flavor said, on August 13, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    I’ll pop a gm time thread up when I get home

  81. djloo27 said, on August 13, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    This might sway some of you guys on the Perry statue:

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/giants/

    • blade3colorado said, on August 13, 2016 at 2:05 pm

      Great article Loo. Thanks for sharing.

      • djloo27 said, on August 13, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        You’re very welcome. It’s pretty convincing, ain’t it?

    • blade3colorado said, on August 13, 2016 at 2:39 pm

      Not much into statues Loo. If you ever get out to San Francisco’s Phone Park, they have the the McCovey Cove area, which I think is fine to put any additional statues, such as Perry’s (no idea by the way where they will locate it). The actual park is perfect with Willie and Juan’s statue as is.

      Regarding your question, I’m an old timer like you . . . Consequently, I know how valuable Perry was to the franchise. Essentially, there were 2 renaissance periods in San Francisco Giants history – the 1960s and the period since the Phone Park has been built. Both were important, but in many ways the 1960s is more important to me because it introduced me to baseball and of course, the Giants. Love both eras and I have no problem with Perry getting a statue.


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