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Stating the Obvious

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 21, 2016

This is what I’m getting from mlbtraderumors.com these days:

The Giants haven’t had serious talks with relievers Javier Lopez, Sergio Romo or Santiago Casilla, CSNBayArea.com’s Alex Pavlovic reports.

In a related breaking story, the Giants also haven’t had serious talks with relievers Big Flavor, Snarkk, Zumiee or Blade’s new bride…..

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Carstie Clausen said, on November 18, 2015 at 4:38 pm (Edit)

djloo: Betcha yer not old enough to remember Arnie Johnson of the R. Royals. He was from my hometown. One of his nephews owns a huge chunk of Bosch and Lomb as an inheritance from Arnie who married into the family.

 

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  1. Bozo said, on November 21, 2016 at 7:18 am

    I really don’t expect to see many major moves until the new CBA is put into place. Knowing what the luxury-tax will be is a huge deal for most teams (for clubs on both the high end and the low ends).
    I do like the idea of expanding the 25 man to a 26 man roster, that would benefit a team like the Giants that tend to carry a 13 man staff, plus have a player named Out Of Options.

    Cheers to Blade and his new family! The wedding looked like it was a grand time.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:04 pm

      Thanks John. It was a lot of fun. Not very nervous, albeit, hot as hell in the monkey suit waiting in the foyer area for the wedding to begin (where the AC was).

  2. willedav said, on November 21, 2016 at 7:25 am

    Hope Pavs put in an amen to that. I liked Romo and he was death on RHs, but that laughing your way off the mound act was very unprofessional.

    Rochester Royals, lol, precursors Oscar Robertson’s Cincy teams, KC-Omaha and present day Sacto Kings. Read a history of them that was quite interesting. By the time they get to Sac, lot of infighting to get the Arena done, and Kevin Johnson does not come off in flattering light.
    I did see the old KC-O team play the Warriors featuring Sam Lacey and Tiny Nate Archibald who was all world little guy. Fantastic player who led league in scoring and assists once.

    Loo mentioned dreading rise of Raiders to Super Bowl. Only thing worse would be if they get matched up vs. Seachickens, in which case I’d actually have to root for them for first time since Marcus Allen days.

    • gianthead said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:58 am

      I am also a traditional Raiders hater but I am rooting for Raiders rematch in New England these playoffs and will hopefully be a snowy snowy night..

  3. pawliekokonuts said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:08 am

    About a foot of snow here, still snowing and blowing. Stix would love it.

    • snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:25 am

      Time to go to Iceland and warm up. I hear Pirates are now running the country…

  4. zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:09 am

    I can’t imagine that any of those three (Lopez, Romo, Casilla) will be back with the Giants. Time to turn the page on them. Remember their good times.

    • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:11 am

      Also Peavy.

      • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:14 am

        Pagan and Blanco, probably, too.
        Would like to see OOO traded.

      • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:16 am

        Good luck trying to remember OOO’s good times.

      • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:17 am

        I remember a bloop-single RBI one time.

  5. snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:23 am

    hey, BF. I’m willing to take my talents to Scottsdale for 6 weeks next Spring Training, as a guest of the Giants of course. As Kruk says, by then I’ll be ready and “oiled up” to take a Pen role. I have no doubt Rags n Gardy will have my fork ball in good shape, it’ll be like Machi when he was good, only bigly better. Age is no issue. Experience, Baby, mental toughness…

    • willedav said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:35 am

      Love to hear a Snarkk grilling of anyone in Giants FO or uniform, Pavs/Baggs too.
      Maybe we could really find out answer to Loo’s ? from before, if anyone ever checks Blog out/would admit to it.

      Um, Kings fans, did you check out end of last night’s game vs. Raptors? Explanation by ref crew (from NBA HQ review team) very unconvincing. Supposedly clock not started on time by .1 or .2 of a second once DMC deflected final in bound pass. Tying 3 by Raptor was launched with .5 to go before falling through the net, but ultimately disallowed. Huh?

      • snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:41 am

        Somebody should do a study of how these pro sports deal with replay. It’s like Soviet Russia. A conclusion is reached via some tortured adherence to a rule or some other illogical reason, in the face of clear evidence leading to an opposite conclusion. Like jury nullification in reverse, or they’ve got money on the outcome…

      • Macdog said, on November 21, 2016 at 9:13 am

        There was a clock screwup in the final 1.6 seconds of Michigan St.-Florida Gulf Coast last night, with Sparty up by 1, clock incorrectly started on long throw-in for FGC instead of when player caught the ball and buzzer sounded before shot was attempted. The shot was missed anyway, but still….

      • snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:02 am

        Maybe I should say instead of dealing with facts like the old Soviet Russia, or Soviet Union, it’s a precursor to dealing with facts in the new TrumpAmerica…

  6. unca_chuck said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:01 am

    Willie, the ball was tipped when it was inbounded so the clock should have started immediately. The official timer didn’t see the tipped inbound pass, and didn’t start the clock until later touched. Like about a second and a half.

    When they reviewed the play, they saw the tip and determined that time would have run out if the clock had been started properly. Sucky way to lose the tying 3 but it was the right call. At least that’s how I saw it.

    • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:30 am

      You nailed it.

  7. Flavor said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:27 am

    I think PK was at a Mets game when Agent 000 hit a bomb or broke up a no hitter or something. At least that’s how I remember it.

    • Macdog said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:43 am

      It was Giants-Yanks game late in 2013 season, .000 hit a HR to break up a no-hitter by Pettitte.

  8. gianthead said, on November 21, 2016 at 10:55 am

    Probably be out of the loop during these holidays and been in and out the last week so Happy Pre-Thanksgiving Flapper Crue….Blade tied the knot???

    • chipower9 said, on November 21, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      Blade is a married man. I saw some picts via FB…looked like a cool time. Paul can give us a first person account of the festivities…

  9. gianthead said, on November 21, 2016 at 11:05 am

    I like how mlb trade rumors reflection about Giants relievers notes the three left-handed options over Javier Lopez. They could also have noted that Javier stopped getting outs around the middle of June…

  10. snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    I’m pretty sure Agent 000 hit a dinger with the big club this season, somebody can tell me if I dreamed that. If it really happened, it’s probably enough to generate a multi-year deal with Sabevans…

  11. gianthead said, on November 21, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    Klinnsman was just canned as men’s soccer coach…which begs the question (I never played but have children who have now played for a few years), how hard of a sport is it really coach???

    I think of all sports it is not just the easiest one to coach but any moron could probably draw up a game plan. Here is my soccer coaching strategy: “Stop fucking around with the ball and just kick it at the goal as hard as you can. If you are the goalie, kick the ball as hard as you can toward the opposing goal. If you are on defense kick the ball as hard as you can toward the other goal. For all the rest of you, stop dribbling the fucking the ball so much showing what a hot shot soccer dribbled you are and just fucking shoot!”

  12. chipower9 said, on November 21, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    And in other snooze, ~84 daze until pitchers and catchers report.

    • Bozo said, on November 21, 2016 at 2:05 pm

      …and 98 days until Mardi Gras. 🙂

  13. chipower9 said, on November 21, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    Triple-0 actually hit TWO dingers this year. Book it – multi-year deal in the work by Savevans.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/adriaeh01.shtml

  14. snarkk said, on November 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm

    Yep, 3 years, $21 million for those two mammoth jacks. That should do it, gotta keep other teams from stealing him. I swear, this guy must have photos on everybody in the FO with Venezuelan farm animals. I don’t get why this guy is valued enough to be one of 25. He went through a DFA and waivers once and no takers — has to tell you something (as in, Giants bench sucks)…

    • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      And next season he turns 28 years old. Not exactly a youngster anymore.

  15. zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    The Raptors headcoach was screaming at the game-officials after the replay ruling. I never get that. The REPLAY official made the call. What’s the point of screaming at the game-officials? It’s just to vent and express frustration, I get that; but it just makes him look like a doofus, IMO.
    Technically, he should be screaming at the time-keeper for failing to see that Cousins had tipped the inbounds pass, and thus, the clock should have immediately started, as was correctly ruled by the replay official.

  16. Bozo said, on November 21, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    Adrianza did make it through waivers once, but it was the last week of ST, so teams already had their 25 man rosters set. Probably not the best way to judge his worth, although I agree that the Giants could use his roster/bench spot in a more productive way.
    I would prefer that he gets included in a trade (you almost have to get something for him after all this time), we have plenty of options for SS if needed, so maybe this will finally be the year.

  17. alleykat69 said, on November 21, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Trade OOO for a viewing of Ted Williams cytogenetic frozen body…

    • zumiee said, on November 21, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      According to a recent Williams biography, Williams’ head was removed from his body, and is in a separate container. Body and head are immersed in extremely cold liquid nitrogen. The removal of the head apparently is the regular procedure, for some reason.
      It’s all quackery at its finest.
      One of his children fought hard to keep this from happening, but she was over-ruled by a step-brother and step-sister. The step-brother then died a few years later from cancer, and his head and body are frozen in the same facility in Arizona.

  18. unca_chuck said, on November 21, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    Didn’t they lose his body? Or thaw it? All they have is his head? Since his son died, I thought some weird shit went down with him and his status.

  19. unca_chuck said, on November 21, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    Ahhh didn’t see your [post, Zumie.

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on November 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    The OED’s word of the year is “post-truth.”

  21. unca_chuck said, on November 21, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    Truthiness is still out there,

  22. willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:20 am

    I think Triple O was only on roster to back up SS and give Craw a rest–remember Specs was out a long time. Craw can be streaky hitter prone to peaks and valleys and Giants lean on him a lot.
    And while I like Specs and hope he can be productive guy on 2017 team, his power numbers were abysmal with very few XBHs. And no HRs.

    I’m not making an excuse for Adrianza, but every team needs back up IFs and usually these guys are only there for their glove, not offense.

  23. willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:35 am

    Watched some of Cal-SD St. game played at new Sac arena. Neither team could shoot and refs took over game early and ruined it. One of SD better players fouled out in 19 minutes. This was college DH, lots of shots of Kevin Johnson. Monty was color guy and he used to have to coach against KJ from Cal days.

    NorCal HS playoffs used to be held at Arco. Kids often weren’t used to playing in a huge arena like that and shooting pcts were usually awful and detracted from the game.

    Everyone seems to like the Kings new place though, good for Sac.

  24. Bozo said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:46 am

    If the Giants went out and got a stud 3B, they could use Nunez as the super utility guy (3B, SS, 2b and LF).

    As far as LF goes, I wonder what it would take to get Andrew McCutchen?

    • chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 10:44 am

      I wonder, too. He is inked through this year (14 mil) and there is a club-option for 2018 at 14.5 (1 mil buyout). According to Baseball Ref he has been a CF, only. But WTF…I would take him (yes, even at 14 mil) in a heartbeat. Question is do we have the pieces to get him (that is always the long pole in the tent with our Giants).

      • Bozo said, on November 22, 2016 at 11:17 am

        I read where McCutchen had a terrible year in CF last year. The Pirates said it was because they moved him in and the pitchers didn’t execute, some scouts feel he’s lost a step and even the Pirates (if they keep him) are thinking of moving him to a corner position. Even in a slump year he hit well at Pac Bell last year.
        Who knows, maybe the Pirates have a longing to be our minor league team again.

  25. chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 10:40 am

    ~83 days until pitchers and catchers report.

  26. chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 11:10 am

    This is the current chatter on Giants FA talks…

    And since it is SO DAMNED SLOW, I am sharing this old news (12 days) on Jansen…sorry if this is a re-tread…

    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/11/10/13565224/sf-giants-kenley-jansen-rumors

  27. willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 11:32 am

    Chi, thx. He makes pretty good argument that bloggers don’t really refute. Really all the others on SF roster would be fine set up guys with enough depth to mix and match L/R..
    Then you drop the hammer.

    And the argument would be with Giants SPs you might not need much more offense, given bounce back from Panik, full year of Nunez and Pence yada yada.

    • chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      I am with you on all counts, WillieD. No way they add a guy like a Jansen AND an OFer like a Cespedes. But a stud closer and a guy the likes of JD Martinez (money-wise) could work. And the money, I think Martinez could be a steal (depending on who Detroit wanted in returns).

  28. zumiee said, on November 22, 2016 at 11:49 am

    One of the problems with OOO is that the Giants routinely like the luxury of carrying 13 pitchers on their staff, which makes for one less bench-player, and OOO ends up having to be used as a pinch-hitter in crucial situations more often than we’d like to see.
    I’d like to see the Giants get back to having a 12-man staff regularly.

    • zumiee said, on November 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm

      It makes sense to have 13 if they’re all good pitchers. But I don’t see the point, if several of them are not all that good.

    • Bozo said, on November 22, 2016 at 12:22 pm

      One of the things being discussed in the CBA negotiations is to increase the 25 man roster to 26, that would help with the Giants always wanting to have a 13 man staff. Might not help the quality of the pitchers, but…

    • willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      Hopefully minus Peavy and Cain in the rotation quality goes up quite a bit and Bochy won’t need to be bailing guys out so early. Add in Jansen, you push the others further down the ladder; might be a dogfight for pen spots. That Gearrin guy drove me nuts.

    • chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      That would be cool if they expand the roster to 26. What would be even more cool is to expand the roster to 27 or 28 and shitcan the DH in the junior circuit. Will never happen, but I can dream.

      I can see Bochy’s logic of wanting 13 arms. And I get the pain it causes when you have to trot-out a 000 to pinch-hit, too.

  29. chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    I did not hear this myself (a friend here at work shared this). He said while he was out at lunch an executive for the Giants was on KNBR, and there is discussion about trying to put together a trade for McCutcheon.

    • Bozo said, on November 22, 2016 at 1:38 pm

      When I asked what it would take to get McCutchen, I thought I was texting the Pirates, not posting on the Flap. 🙂

      • chipower9 said, on November 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm

        Hey, your text must have made it to the right people, John! Fuck, we need to hire you as the GM!

    • Flavor said, on November 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm

      I thought about that the other day. But finally decided that we don’t have the package for something like that. He controlled through the following season, why would the Pirates trade him now unless it was for a king’s ransom? Every team in baseball would be in on the guy if they were fielding offers now and if that’s the case we have absolutely zero chance of getting him unless Bumgarner is included…..
      That’s actually a good topic. Would you trade Bumgarner for mcCutchen? I wouldn’t.

      • Bozo said, on November 22, 2016 at 2:01 pm

        Not with Bum’s contract, no, but I’d probably go for Panik, Arroyo, Beede and ?.

  30. unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    No way. That would be up there with George Foster for a bag of balls (or whatever the fuck it was).

  31. djloo27 said, on November 22, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    I have a feeling Nunie will be packaged.
    I also still think Justin Turner is a strong possibility.
    These thoughts are based on nothing…

  32. Flavor said, on November 22, 2016 at 6:06 pm

  33. snarkk said, on November 22, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    Check out this crazy pass by Maravich, right on the money.
    Hell, he was a better passer underhanded that Kap…

  34. gianthead said, on November 22, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    We are obviously not getting McCutchen if JD Martinez is a real deal possibility. I think the reality of McCutchen being acquired would solely be trade deadline type of idea. I could see the Giants talking with the Pirates now to see what type of deal it will eventually take. The Pirates I am sure would be asking way too much at first and less so at trade deadline.

    But why would we trade a package of Panik, Arroyo and Beede for one year of McCutchen and if there is talk of him losing a step in the field, I am definitely not dealing that much to get someone who could be had the next off-season as a free agent. One would think he probably has lost a step defensively at his age and we already have one of those in Spam and the Pirates are not going to take Spam in a deal…

  35. gianthead said, on November 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    I was also watching mlb channel’s hot stove show and they were throwing out the strong possibility of Holland landing with the Giants along with McCutchen ala the Flav model of loading up on bullpen arms. But one of the knuckleheads speculated it would take $10 mill a year in a 2 year deal to land Holland. A guy coming off Tommy John making $10 mill the first year??? BULLSHIT!

  36. willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    I think it’s perfect time for Pirates to dangle Cutch. He couldn’t carry them into playoffs last year and likely won’t next year either. Getting past Cards and Cubs ain’t gonna be easy. They deal him now they can get decent combo of players/prospects to improve the club, especially if they are not convinced he can improve much if at all over 2016.

    If he did bounce back then he’d want a 3 yr/$50mil plus deal and as small market team that inhibits any other moves. He gets a QO, turns it down and all they get is the comp pick which won’t help for a while.

    If they wait til June and he’s hitting .250 again, they’re screwed.

  37. snarkk said, on November 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    I think willed is right, the Bucs see a chance now to get rid of McCutcheon while his star hasn’t dimmed even more. I don’t like the idea of trading a lot for a star who is on the decline. You could get the double whammy of the decline picking up more steam right away, plus losing the production of the young ones you traded. At least with a FA, all you lose is money if the dude turns out to be in a performance free fall…

    • willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      maybe change of scenery would help him and you might get the contract year bounce; not sure what pirates would look for in return. He always seems to do well at ATT. It would only be 1 yr deal (with buy out option) for $14 mil. I’ve always liked this guy, just not sure what happened to him this season in terms of peripherals.

    • willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      Oh and thx for Pistol vid. Guy was human highlight reel. Only saw him once, with the jazz in Oakland Coliseum. I thought he was overhyped in college days, but oh man was I wrong— live he was just amazing, with unreal handle skills and imagination to go with them. Plus a 3 point range pull up J.

  38. willedav said, on November 22, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    It didn’t count, but at end of first half last night Curry crosses over 2 defenders, another runs to him and he double clutches a shot on the move from backcourt at the 3 point line of the opposite basket…and nails it.

    • snarkk said, on November 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm

      Yeah, saw that on highlights. Perfect arc from 3/4 court, nothing but net…

  39. blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    I doubt the Giants scouts would be interested in my bride’s pitching arm. I can probably wrap my fingers around her wrist one and a half times easily. Almost the same for her bicep (if she even has one). Nope, Liinh’s best pitch remains the eephus.


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