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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 25, 2016

This was a pretty funny tweet I ran across this morning:

I will donate $20 to Doctors Without Borders if you make up a Giants rumor I can use right now.

Nothing going on except frequent trips to El Bano.

I wonder what Stix had for dinner last night?

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  1. zumiee said, on November 25, 2016 at 9:49 am

    In the NC/ NC St. football game, a punt coverage guy catches the punt at the one-yard line, instead of just batting the ball back, then falls into the end zone for a touchback, and the ball at the 20. It’s hilarious how often players don’t know the rules. The headcoach just stared in disbelief.

  2. chipower9 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:09 am

    ~84 daze until pitchers and catchers report. Sigh…

    • zumiee said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:53 am

      And several days of CBA negotiations between billionaires and millionaires.

      • chipower9 said, on November 25, 2016 at 12:05 pm

        As long as their shenanigans do not get in the way of the season, they can negotiate until the damned cows come home. 😉

  3. djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    The Giants should make an all out direct assault on LA and go hard for Turner and Jansen. This is WAR.
    That would free up Nunie who can be packaged with Panik for something decent maybe.
    It would leave 2B to Specs for the time being.
    LA would probably counter by overpaying Cespedes…

  4. djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    Stix and Twin were by far the most descriptive of things they cooked or ate.
    Twin especially on Thanksgiving and Christmas – Stix more randomly.
    We may never hear from either of them again…

    • chipower9 said, on November 25, 2016 at 3:22 pm

      Twin had some great posts on his feasts…I miss that dunderhead (even though he could be a callous prick sometimes). 😉

      • zumiee said, on November 25, 2016 at 4:15 pm

        We could pick some of our favorite “Twinisms” from over the years.
        Here’s some memorable ones. (They’re literally memorable because I remember them. 🙂 )
        “Harry Caray talked like he had a mouthful of turds.” Might be my favorite one of all time.
        “You’re too stupid to live.” I remember it being directed at a troll, and the troll never really recovered from it.
        Calling Freddie Sanchez “Fruckie,” when all of us were frustrated at all of Sanchez’s injuries.

  5. Flavor said, on November 25, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    highly doubt the validity of this rumor. No sources cited. Sounds like nonsense to me
    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2016/11/giants_have_considered_trading_for_pablo_sandoval

    • wilcojoe said, on November 25, 2016 at 6:32 pm

      Evan Drellich is actually a really good young beat writer. He used to be the Astros beat guy for the Houston Chronicle up until this year when he left for Boston. If memory serves, he broke the story about the Cardinals hacking of the Astros front office. He was never afraid to ask the tough questions, especially of Houston’s ownership during their rebuild.

      Not saying this will happen (Sandoval to Giants) but I don’t doubt his sources.

      • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:07 pm

        I’ve said it before and I believe it’s possible…

  6. willedav said, on November 25, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    I can see giving Panik one more year to really fish or whether Giants should look elsewhere.
    His first year he hit a very soft .300 with 1 HR in 269 ABs and .711 OPS.

    Next season 382 ABs breakout year,833 OPS.312 BA 8 HRs season ending neck issue. He said it was not a back injury and proclaimed himself healthy. Then went out and had sub par year.

    2016 464 ABs he hit .239 with 10 HRs but a .695 OPS. Also wins Gold Glove.

    So the season with most games played/most ABs he sucked the worst at the plate. One HR in first season 18 the next 2, both of which shortened by injury. He neither walks nor Ks much, so much of success or fail rate is tied to BABIP. Hits ball in air too much for my taste, but 10 bombs from 2b is not bad.

    Hey bat him 8th if you have to and live with whatever O he gives you. Helps solidify IF D if nothing else.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 25, 2016 at 7:34 pm

      Good stuff Willie. I also like Loo’s thoughts about him and Nunez. Sheesh, I use to hate Belt, but I see him as almost untouchable, along with Craw amongst the position players. Posey, Pagan, and Mr. Video (Pence) are on or beginning the downward slide of their careers.

      • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:09 pm

        If you believe that about Posey then you have to favor moving him to first base…

      • blade3colorado said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:14 pm

        Loo, I’ve been down with moving Posey to 1st for the last year and a half (despite others saying this is not a good idea and/or James saying his stats are essentially the same. Regarding the latter, I have no idea what stats he is looking at, as the stats I am looking at show me he is significantly better when he plays at 1st base). Physically, you see very few catchers doing well after age 30, where they primarily play catcher.

        Regardless of quantitative analysis, my eyes (qualitatively) show me he is turning into an old, powerless, singles hitter playing catcher.

      • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:18 pm

        Right, and as I’ve said many times, the job of a catcher has pretty much been reduced to ball blocking and pitch framing…

  7. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 25, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    Yeah, not much Hot Stove Stuff happening yet but I’d guess some things will start shaking out well before Christmas. This off season seems different: not a lot of big names, but some interesting ones, and a bunch of teams in play. Will be fun to start seeing where these names will end up. Chapman Jansen Melancon Cespedes Martinez Folwer Desmond Kinsler Turner … all seem possibly destined for new teams, although I think LA will go hard to retain Turner and Jansen, who, as Loo stated above, would be fun to see SF steal away. Pablo? I dunno.

    As for Twin: Michael, if you’re lurking, hope everything’s ok. I always loved how he called Old Seals Fan “Clubber”. Kind of drove the guy away after awhile…. 🙂

    • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 9:54 pm

      A motivated Twin could drive God away…

      • blade3colorado said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:18 pm

        So much for the “God is everywhere and all seeing” theory. Pfffttt!

  8. djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    I don’t think the Flap was contentious enough for Twin. I believe his propensity to argue and insult was just a way to keep his mind sharp when his body was failing him. I hope he is still with us and not suffering…

    • willedav said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:27 pm

      maybe (propensity to argue). but there were guys he liked and stuck up for, and when you ragged on them he got right back at you…one of them was your boy Alex Smith. Every time I used the words “game mgr”. he went off.
      He’s not going to suffer those he deems foolish, for one second.

      • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        Andres Torres was another…

      • willedav said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm

        oh yeah. And amen to last sentence in your 10:05.

  9. blade3colorado said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Question to the fathers out there . . . Did your wife or significant other (Flavor) act like a prima donna while pregnant, e.g., feigning sickness, etc.? Linh’s at the 4-5 week mark and I guess I have about 8 more months of this to look forward to. 😦

    • snarkk said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm

      No, she was really sick.
      With throwing up to prove it…

      • blade3colorado said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:37 pm

        Thanks for the input.

      • snarkk said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:48 pm

        Don’t worry, the sick part ends after about 4-6 months.
        Then, until birth, it’s complaining about backaches, and being tired, and constipated…

      • djloo27 said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:06 am

        And a constant need to pee. It was explained to me that as the baby grows, it puts pressure on the mother’s bladder…

  10. willedav said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    In order to move Posey you have to find a decent replacement, dang hard to find these days and it can’t be Brown full time. He’s the best C in the game; he will never be the best 1b in the game. Granted, I can see the power stroke coming back, but I doubt he ever gets beyond 25.

    I’d rather see the singles to RF than the GIDPs or the Ks so I can live with less pop as long the BA stays high.. The lack of supporting cast around him imo makes him look feebler than he is. Couple years ago Giants had bunch of guys around .800 OPS. Last season Belt led the team and Pence was barely .800 and of course out of the LU for long stretch.
    Adding one more like a Turner to middle of order, I think Posey will be stronger force.

    • djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:43 pm

      Seriously, just get some fat Dominican to catch.
      What’s the Goddamn difference?

  11. djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Fidel Castro is dead.
    So is Florence Henderson.

  12. djloo27 said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    This is what a leader does:

    • snarkk said, on November 25, 2016 at 11:41 pm

      Apparently, this too…

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 12:29 am

        JFK was having a hard time making eye contact.

      • snarkk said, on November 26, 2016 at 11:13 am

        I read something about Cecil Stoughton, he was JFK’s White House photog. In those days the secret service would go through every negative he shot, and would invariably remove anything that would cast a bad light, particularly including any shot where JFK and Marilyn were in the frame together. This was the only one that survived that process, Stoughton somehow had kept it. He released this one sometime in the early 2000s, it had been unreleased until then, he was not going to release it while Jackie was still alive. This was taken at somebody’s apartment in NYC the night of JFKs birthday at a party in his honor, just after Marilyn famously sang “Happy Birthday” to JFK at Madison Square. Jackie was pointedly not there. Arthur Schlesinger, JFK’s biographer is the bald guy on right with drink glass, and RFK is on left looking like he’s staring at Marilyn’s chest…

      • xoot said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:39 pm

        When Monroe died RFK and his family were spending the weekend at a SF lawyer’s Gilroy ranch. The family was definitely there the entire weekend; RFK, maybe not. Decades later some of the SF lawyer’s surviving partners enjoyed adding to their versions of the RFK alibi story a soupçon of outside suspicion.

  13. willedav said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:19 am

    I still see value in C position. It’s different maybe with Giants and their vet SPs.
    But, this guy has to be smartest most engaged in the field and calling the game. The other 7 guys minds are on their last AB or last night. Or which nut to scratch.
    What does his pitcher have? What is hitter looking for? what is ump giving him or not? How does this change from inning to inning? Game situation, L/R match up, plus being able to throw out someone on bases. It ‘s like having a mgr. on the field and a good one imo is invaluable.

    Until Giants can find suitable replacement, I think Posey to 1b weakens the team. Not scientific, just my take.
    I think James refutation of Posey value at 1b comes from the fact that overwhelmingly those numbers are only vs. LHP, where he is replacing Belt. Sure, being healthier I see an uptake, just not that big.

    I don’t think it’s an accident many mgrs. are former Cs.

  14. willedav said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:31 am

    Cuban missile crisis was certainly a big deal. But, American policy set in stone under Eisenhower and the CIA often set off a chain reaction whose repercussions still exists today.
    Castro had nowhere to turn once US isolated him. Many still think Kennedy’s reluctance or inability to take him out (much to Mafia consternation among others) led to his assassination.
    Vietnam, where actions of US in 50s after French defeat led to Ho taking a different tack.
    Iran, where US backed Shah jailed and tortured many, including the Ayatollahs.
    Chile, where Nixon cut off biz with Allende and openly backed Pinochet group.

    I could go on, but this is also what leaders do—direct “covert” actions with full deniability to further their agenda.
    As above, often with disastrous results.

    • willedav said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:37 am

      Weapons of mass destruction anyone? Time and again American multi nationals and a misguided us or them philosophy have gotten the country and its resources involved where they should not have, with countless lives lost and ruined.
      Talking about Twin brings this to forefront for me. There is just no way Agent Orange should have been used the way it was, to the detriment of another country and America’s own soldiers.

  15. willedav said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:41 am

    Rants aside, this is still going to be great weekend for sports beside baseball, HS college pro.
    Mercnews site has great interview with John Madden.

  16. James said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:18 am

    Blade, re Posey at 1B, you won’t easily find the stats I cited, because I had to pull them together myself. They showed that the large majority of his starts at 1B over his career had been against left handed pitchers. That fact could logically account for much of the improvement in his numbers playing there rather than at catcher. I don’t think there’s much doubt that playing primarily as a 1B man, Posey would have better career numbers. The question is how much better.

    Here are the splits:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=poseybu01&year=Career&t=b#plato
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=poseybu01&year=Career&t=b#defp

    I very much doubt that Posey is a 900 OPS hitter at ATT, no matter what position he plays. There’s also an argument to be made that as he gets older, more of his value will come from his defensive skills at catcher, which are less likely to decline as quickly as his hitting.

    Oh, and . . . congrats!!

    • James said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:22 am

      Just saw WillieD’s reply above!

    • blade3colorado said, on November 26, 2016 at 11:26 pm

      Good take James. Posey seemed very fatigued for stretches of games, particularly last couple of months of the season. Thank you . . . Linh and I are madly in love. Haven’t felt that way about anyone in decades. 🙂

  17. James said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Loo, throwing out baserunners is a quaint, nearly forgotten duty of the catcher. Posey is good at it.

    • djloo27 said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Absolutely, James. And I thought Posey was never better in every aspect of catching duties this past season.
      They have to weigh the value of this against the toll it’s taking on his body, his offense, and consider his lengthy, expensive contract…

      • James said, on November 26, 2016 at 10:23 am

        He might be able to give us a somewhat better and consistent version of Yadier Molna’s 2013-16 over the next 4 years. That takes us to within one year of the buyout. It also makes him a lock for the HOF as one of the best catchers of all time.

  18. James said, on November 26, 2016 at 11:21 am

    A friend just published this, ah, tribute to Fidel:

    View story at Medium.com

  19. zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 11:50 am

    Not exciting to think of Sandoval returning, IMO. I hope the Giants pass on that. He made his bed with the Red Sox; he should see it through.

    • djloo27 said, on November 26, 2016 at 11:57 am

      We can’t seem to get to a WS without him…

      • Macdog said, on November 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm

        Although Giants might not have beaten the Mets without Gillaspie.

  20. Flavor said, on November 26, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    Loo– if you are reading this and have access to tvg or some other online wagering site, go bet it all on No Dozing in the 8th coming up here at Aqu. In additon to singling him on top in the super, I’ve also got $$$ on him at 100-1 future to win Derby

    • Flavor said, on November 26, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      fucking horrible ride. 4 wide first turn, 5 wide 2nd. Lucky to get 2nd. He’s one of my Derby picks.

      • djloo27 said, on November 26, 2016 at 12:31 pm

        Just caught the replay. Very impressed. Lousy trip – no pace and finished well after being in a long drive under a second rate jock. Sired by Belmont winner Union Rags. I think you got a live one…

  21. Flavor said, on November 26, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    Jim Harbaugh lost another huge game. huh. That never happens.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      And threw hissy fits at the refs. That never happens, either.

      • Macdog said, on November 26, 2016 at 2:17 pm

        I really don’t think he knows half the rules.

      • Macdog said, on November 26, 2016 at 2:27 pm

        Or really think he doesn’t know half the rules, lol.

      • willedav said, on November 26, 2016 at 4:24 pm

        or like some drivers of cars I won’t name, figures rules just don’t apply.

  22. zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    Congrats to both Stanford and Cal football this season. Neither had the W/L records they would have liked, but both programs were relevant and worth watching. The Niners can’t say that.

    • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 4:51 pm

      Currently watching the Cal game….

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 4:52 pm

        It’s on ESPN 2.

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 7:17 pm

        Cal defeated UCLA; always a cool thing.

      • Macdog said, on November 26, 2016 at 8:57 pm

        5-7 Cal keeps slim bowl hopes alive: “If there are not enough six-win teams to fill out the bowl games, invitations are sent out to teams with five wins based on Academic Progress Rate.”

      • zumiee said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

        The Hawaiin Bowl is always a nice one to get. 🙂

  23. snarkk said, on November 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Cal whipped UCLA at Berkeley.
    Bruins must truly suck.
    Davis Webb should get drafted within the first 2 rounds next season, the guy has an arm, and touch. Chad Hansen should declare, the guy can run patterns and catch the ball. Deceptively fast. Second round pick. Niners could do worse not picking these two, and probably will, if Baalke is still around.
    BTW, Stanfoo playing and crushing Rice for the last game of the season seems dumb…

    • Flavor said, on November 27, 2016 at 7:32 am

      the game was originally scheduled for Sept 3rd but when Stanford rescheduled K-State they had to move the Rice game. Freaking Alabama plays D2 schools. Every team puts cupcakes on their schedule. It’s not the school’s problem it’s the NCAA for allowing it to happen.


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