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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 23, 2016

I was all over last year’s pick up of the glorious and all knowing and all wondrous Nunie because he cost us almost nothing and he filled a glaring need. But I am far less interested in paying the king’s ransom that would be needed to pick up Brian Dozier. Dude hit 42 home runs last year and stole 18 bags. That’s gotta cost a lot. And BD ain’t hitting no Ronnie Lott in our yard. I would much rather pick up a guy who hits monster no doubt Chinese satellite banging bombs that a little second baseman who only hits them in hitter’s parks.

But whatever, it would be complete poppycock to think Sabean and Evans put together the necessary booty to secure Dozier. Let the Dodgers have him and watch him underperform.


#freestix! RPOTD

Carstie Clausen said, on January 9, 2016 at 9:46 am (Edit)

Oh, oh, called out on the Flap. Currently around 8 below with a deeper windshield factor running. Both stoves going. Kitchen cookstove has finally warmed up the room enough to sit down at the keyboard. Actually, my grandfather tacked on this shed-roof kitchen to the main house built the year before in 1915. So this frigid room with sagging floor, dipping ceiling and shaky north wall will be 100 Y.O. this year. Wanted to get a hundred into Magnus Rodseth’s kitchen. So now we’re here ~ with cold feet and dreaming of a well-insulated replacement.

Been sleeping in the upstairs or late. Warmest spot in the house. Hard to get outta the sack because its covered with pussy. Eat your hearts out, guys.

Kinda feeling a bit sorry beforehand for those Seattle fans showing up in the Sitties tomorrow for the game. They are NOT used to below or near below zero conditions. Minnesotans will dress for it. A week ago one Packers fan was maintaining bare-chested in below freezing conditions at Lambeau. So some drunken purple person may feel honor-bound to top that. A lot will hinge on whether or not there is a wind. Vikes are a bit less injury-ridden than the occasion of their embarrassing thumping by tomorrow’s opponent earlier in the season. Chances are the game will not be such a blow-out. Likely lots of running and little passing.

-22 expected up thisaway tonight. At least the sun is shining this morning. Such is life in the Cathouse.

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  1. willedav said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:08 am

    Gotta wonder how sustainable the HR explosion by Dozier is.
    I’m always suspicious of guys putting up big numbers on chump teams.
    Just me, but I highly doubt Trumbo could get to Ronnie Lott’s number either at ATT. Rather have J D and his .900 OPS, even if he didn’t hit 20 bombs.

    Stix used to make fun of local “Scandihoovians”, so it’s interesting to hear his talk of 100 yr old homestead. I think it would be fascinating to hear how his ancestors got started (and survived) up there. Northern Minnesota is lot colder than most Scandinavian countries.

    Watched Stanford men b-ball last night. New coach has replaced 3 starters already, good moves to get more scoring out of perimeter players that paid off last night. Still, having to strain to beat Idaho Vandals at home doesn’t bode too well for conference play, which begins next week as AZ schools visit Maples.
    Former Coach Monty doing color is just a clinic, where you learn more about the game every time.

  2. willedav said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:16 am

    Read a column today on F/G roto section which writer titled “Trust Melancon” and then gave reasons why. Mostly tho he doesn’t K hitters as often he also does not give up long flyballs and handles opposite hand hitters extremely well (unlike Casilla and Romo). Also notes ATTwas the single hardest yard to hit HRs out of, so he thinks Giants 9th inning woes should be over.

  3. chipower9 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:46 am

    ~57 daze until pitchers and catchers report. PLAY BALL!

  4. chipower9 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:50 am

    Catching-up on the end of yesterday’s thread…I agree with The Clown’s comments “I don’t know about y’all, but I still believe we were a 9th inning arm short of going to the WS last year. Not a HR hitter, but a Closer. And, I’m of the opinion that we have upgraded the pen.”

    I also am not sold on trading Panik (as John had alluded). I still think the dude has the potential to be a near .300 hitter who drills 10-15 HRs a year, AND plays stellar D. On that note, if we add a stick, I would rather kill two birds (solve two needs) with one baseball – get a OF who hits for average, and if he brings some power to the dance, that’s gravy…


    • alleykat69 said, on December 23, 2016 at 11:34 am

      Chi with ya on Panik.Rest of the Flappers have to realize if he’s healthy for a full season he will take.Injuries derailed him last year, but I’m one who believes he can compete for a batting title and wtf would the Giants breakup a gold glove infield with Craw& Panik up the middle turning 2???These 2 know each other’s move like clockwork, no reason to fuck up that chemistry imo…

  5. chipower9 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:55 am

    Oh, and I damned near forgot…GREAT video shared by James yesterday. I have a very diverse and some would say eclectic music taste, and love some flamenco guitar…

    Next concert is Devil Makes Three next week…one of my absolute favorites…cannot wait!

  6. unca_chuck said, on December 23, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    As far as flamenco goes, I always loved this song . . .

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      As much as you love the picture?

      • unca_chuck said, on December 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm

        Always thought Robbie Krieger was underrated as a guitar player.

        I’ll leave that pic up for you, DJ…

      • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:27 pm

        Jimbo really hated the pretty boy image and made damn sure to destroy it…

  7. djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    The Giants aren’t big on off season trades. Have they made a significant one since the Pagan deal with the Mets?

    • alleykat69 said, on December 23, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      Well they did trade Willie Mays to the Mets for Charlie Williams..

      • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:28 pm

        The $50,000 that they got was more important to them than Charlie Williams…

    • Flavor said, on December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      I remember that trade. We did a poll. I think it was like 50-1 in favor of Pagan > torres. I’d have to go back and look. That was a fantastic trade for us tho

    • Flavor said, on December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      I remember that trade. We did a poll. I think it was like 50-1 in favor of Pagan > torres. I’d have to go back and look. That was a fantastic trade for us tho

      • Flavor said, on December 23, 2016 at 2:55 pm

        Sorry. Ph double post fuck up

  8. pawliekokonuts said, on December 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Catching up. Some funny shit two days ago, about the ‘minimally talented’ singer and SU. People here say it was SU’s worst game EVER. They booed the team! Hahahahahaha. I heard boeheim took full responsibility. Wasn’t that big of him. Lulz.

    • snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:29 pm

      I thought they got rid of Boeheim for being a career d-bag. Still around? No respect for that guy…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:42 pm

        he’s in the HOF… but, …

      • snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:01 pm

        There are lots of dicks in HOFs. But, apparently nobody that ever used steroids…

  9. pawliekokonuts said, on December 23, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    My daughter’s boyfriend gave me the coolest Christmas present — and it didn’t cost him a thing. (A lesson there….) He’s a senior (I think) in college, at SU, the Whitman School of Management, where my youngest also studies. He’s from Elmira, NY. He reached into his ol’ baseball card collection and gave me 30 or more Giants flips. Kurt Manwaring, Will Clark, Robby Thompson, Dave Righetti, Bonds as a Pirate, Trevor Wilson, Jose Uribe. Others. GET THIS: Manwaring is from Elmira and was his HS AD. Played with his son. And he attached the most original handwritten note to this sampling. Pretty darn cool. Back in the Seventies, I used to party with a guy named Terry Jones. Branch Fuckin Rickey was Terry’s grandfather; Terry grew up in Elmira. If I recall, Rickey was a minor league GM there.

  10. pawliekokonuts said, on December 23, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Maybe this was covered. Chris Haft enthused about how wonderful the Giants were to show up at Soannie Torres’s funeral. But the story only mentioned Matt Cain being there among current players, Larry Baer, maybe Sabean, I can’t recall. Glass Sanchez’s wife.

    A. If this is so, I have greater respect for Cain, who has struck me as a dick (it may be nothing more than his famous flip-the-bird gif.

    B. Really? Who was really there? Anybody know the facts?

    C. Bengie Molina seemed to be very close to Torres; was all over Twitter on it.

  11. zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    Cain is sorta sneaky “dicky.” Like when he tipped his cap to the booing Mets fans after beaning David Wright, and then later claimed he was tipping his cap to a group of Giants fans. Yeah, right. Ha!
    Cain is sorta old school baseball. He drilled Matt Holliday in that Game 7 NLCS after the Giants had about a 7-0 lead, in retaliation for Holliday’s vicious take-out of Scutaro at 2b earlier in the series. How cool for Scutaro to get a big hit in that Game 7, and catch the final out on a pop-up in the rain. Poetic justice.

  12. zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    Regarding Panik, I’m all for keeping him; but the Dozier situation just kind of intrigues me.
    The only problem with Panik, IMO, is that he hits left-handed, and that, as we know, isn’t rewarded in our ballpark. We already have Crawford and Belt making 418-foot outs in the park.

  13. djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    Not to be crude, but a person’s decision to attend a funeral often depends on the distance they have to travel to do so. A very wise person once told me that it’s how you treat them when they’re alive that matters. Any piece of shit in the neighborhood can walk over to your funeral to make themselves look like they give a crap…

  14. zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Stix is usually pretty negative about football, so I was kind of surprised to see he had a “hot take” on that Vikings playoff game.

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      Seems like nobody really read Stix when he originally posted most of these things…

      • zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm

        I read his stuff when it was originally posted. 🙂

  15. zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    Interesting stuff on the MLB Network’s “Stat-cast” yearly round-up show today. I would not have guessed that some outfielders get over 100 MPH on some of their throws, because of being able to get a running start. It sort of de-mystifiies pitchers throwing 100, a little bit. I didn’t see the whole show, so I don’t know if they looked at how fast some infielders throw.

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      i find that that hard to believe…

      • zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:37 pm

        It’s true. I think it only happened 10 times last season, if I remember correctly from the show. Stat-cast data is taken very seriously by teams now.

        There’s a new batting stat coming called “barreling.” It’s a combination of exit velocity + bat angle to determine how well the batter “barreled up” the pitch.

      • zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:39 pm

        Also can be used for pitchers to determine how often they get “barreled up,” percentage-wise.

      • zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:42 pm

        Zach Britton was the best last season; he was barreled up well something like 1.5 %.

      • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:46 pm

        Jim Bouton said the game was being “choked by statistics”
        He said it in 1969…

      • zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:56 pm

        I used to think so, but I don’t anymore. There’s a lot of interesting ideas that are going on. The main idea still is to win. It’s all for the purpose of winning.

  16. zumiee said, on December 23, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    Another new stat tries to measure “clutch” from a hitter. It’s called Run Expectancy. There are 24 different scenarios a batter could be batting in during a given inning, so it’s also known as an RE24 rating. Runner on first, no out; Runners on first and second, no out; runner on third, one out, and so forth.
    Most SABR folks don’t believe clutch is a real thing, so it’s probably a stat that’s being heavily questioned.

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      It should be heavily ignored…

  17. snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    Re: Mr. Mojo Risin, one of the times I was in Paris I visited Pere Lachaise and found his grave. Kinda creepy, kinda cool. I’m a huge Doors fan, so I had to make the pilgrimage. LA Woman is in my top 3 rock songs of all time, and I’m not sure of the other two…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      Amazing how many people pilgrimage there (Me? 2013). As my photo depicts, a lot of flowers and beer bottles.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:32 pm

        . . . and other grave sites suffer because of their close proximity to his.

      • snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:34 pm

        Nice pics, blade. I was there on a rainy, dreary day. Looks better in the sun. First time I was in Paris I was just outta college and no dough, not a good visit. The other two times, I had money. Paris is way more fun if you have a little coin to spend. Great city…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:42 pm

        Yes Tom, I agree about having coin to spend in the city of lights. Besides Australia, my trip to France cost more than any other place I have visited. That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by Parisians. I really was expecting the stereotype of the French people being stuck up, hating Americans, and full of themselves. Furthest thing from the truth. They are helpful and quite friendly.

      • snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:51 pm

        Agree, blade. I would go back to Paris for another visit in a heartbeat. So many things to see and do. Second time there I was visiting friends who turned out to be in the middle of a breakup episode — that was wild. But, I had a great time visiting all over the city, — one night went solo to a cabaret club under street level — it was like out of a ’30s pre war movie. Fantastic time, I’ll never forget. I spoke virtually no French, and people I met there spoke some English — it was a very memorable, unique experience. Third time I was there on business and expense account. Very different experience, but super cool nonetheless. The client was a French energy company, and the CFO took a bunch of people out for a big dinner at a little chateau / restaurant on the southern outskirts of the city somewhere. Fantastic food and wine over about 4 hours. Easily one of the best meal / wine combination experiences of my entire life; and cost me nothing. A couple other nights I had dinner out on the client’s dime at a couple of very fine restaurants, outrageously good food. One of them, the “dessert” was the waiter came out with a big humidor filled with top notch Cuban cigars, and I had the pick of ’em for myself and the small group, as I knew enough about cigars to be dangerous. Cohibas, Partagas, Montecristos, they were all there. I wanted to dive into that box. I could get used to that kind of lifestyle — if I won the lottery…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:07 pm

        One place where I really could have done some damage had I still been drinking and drugging. OK, not true . . . one of many places. Ha.

        Best galette (crepe) I have ever eaten were at an out of the way restaurant, not known to tourists, in Versailles. Delicious breakfast!

    • snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:18 pm

      The French Paradox of so many people eating such great tasting, often fattening food with cheeses and meats and still being a fairly slim population is quite interesting. Has to be the wine and resveratrol in it, at least I’m sticking with that so I can keep drinking the vin rouge…

  18. snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    Saw the last half of Dubs v. Pistons.
    Dubs are flat fun to watch. Klay hit some incredible shots down the stretch, and Durant was really on. Steph made some cool floaters as well as the usual 3s. Great passing and back cuts for dunks and layups. Sometimes they look like the Globetrotters playing the Generals…

  19. blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    I had a little bit of insulation from Trump idiocy. Umm, almost 8400 miles between Saigon and Denver. Now, even without cable or satellite television, I was made aware that the President Elect (not even President yet) imbecile has done this in a 24 hour news cycle:

    Israeli settlements
    THE TIME: 11:37 a.m. ET
    WHAT HAPPENED: Trump pressures the Obama administration to veto a UN Security Council resolution condemning settlement activity, an unprecedented move by a President-elect who has not yet moved into the White House.
    WHAT FOLLOWED: On sensitive issues of diplomacy and national security, Trump has displayed a continued willingness to pressure and contradict President Barack Obama, eschewing a “one president at a time” policy that Obama insists must govern the peaceful transition of power.

    Nuclear arms
    THE TIME: 11:50 a.m. ET
    WHAT HAPPENED: Trump threatens a nuclear arms race.
    WHAT FOLLOWED: The exchange appeared to raise the prospect of a new arms race between the US and Russia, which between them boast more than 14,000 nuclear warheads, the still deadly legacy of their four-decades long Cold War standoff.

    Boeing vs. Lockheed Martin
    THE TIME: 5:26 p.m. ET
    WHAT HAPPENED: Trump cost millions in market value to Lockheed Martin and caused thousands of people to now worry they may lose their jobs after tweeting that the Pentagon’s costly new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter could be replaced with a modified version of a less expensive plane, the F/A-18 Super Hornet.
    WHAT FOLLOWED: Lockheed Martin’s stock dipped about 2% in aftermarket trading.
    For Lockheed, the F-35 is its industrial future. Trump’s tweet has threatened to upend Lockheed’s plans just as his tweets aimed at China has rattled Boeing, which is counting on selling jets to Chinese airlines.

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:06 pm

      And the Giants did nothing…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:08 pm

        Haha. True.

  20. djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:04 pm

  21. snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    George Winston, the fine and inimitable pianist of Wyndam Hill fame, issued an entire album some years ago of nothing but piano covers of Doors tunes, including BF’s Spanish Caravan. All those tunes are on youtube. Very very cool. I’ve seen him in two concerts in very small venues. He’s fantastic. Winston was a big fan of the Doors’ keyboardist, Ray Manzarek, who was the backbone of that group. If you search Manzarek on youtube, you’ll find some vids where he describes how some of the Doors tunes were written and built. The dude was a fine musician who knew his way around various genres of music — those hit tunes didn’t just appear out of nowhere, they were constructed. Good, tasty stuff for Doors fans…

    • djloo27 said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:47 pm

      No bouncing boobs?

  22. snarkk said, on December 23, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    Winston’s “December” is my favorite winter-time/holiday season album. Simply wonderful, touching, nostalgic. It is comforting and heartwarming. “Thanksgiving”, the first track, is my all time favorite composition of his, as it is of many. Something about it just cleanses bad feelings from my soul. A magnificent, emotional work…

    • willedav said, on December 24, 2016 at 8:00 am

      that early stuff was done for Wyndham Hill. I used to play softball with a guy who worked there–they actually had small place near downtown Palo Alto that I visited. Very cool music, different vibe.

  23. willedav said, on December 24, 2016 at 7:54 am

    “wondrous Nunie”…just me but very little this guy did last year for SF was thrilling. His numbers and Gillaspie’s were almost exactly even, except Nunez stole 13 bags. Otherwise…game face actually had more triples and more HRs by 1 or 2 and both are .260 hitters. Like Dozier his Twin numbers park driven; SF stats very ordinary.

    Panik…not my type of player but SF has to figure out what he can do for them. Great power season in 2015, awful 2016 when power numbers and BA slid dramatically. Trying to be a power hitting LH at ATT ala Craw, idk if that is a good fit. Doesn’t BB or K much so his success will be BABIP driven; hitting ball in the air as often as he does I’m not sure is a great idea for night games at chilly ATT. Like Belt before last year, has to show he can play a full year and be productive hitter at top of LU.

    Bottom line, one or both of these 2 will be moved somewhere, on or off team, to make room for Arroyo.

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