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For The Love of Football

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 10, 2017

I hope Fournette and McCaffrey watched the end of last night’s game with at least a tinge of regret. Deshaun Watson got to experience something they literally gave away: a chance to win a bowl game.

And I’m tired of hearing about how colleges use athletes and guys like Fournette and McCaffrey have to think of all the millions they would risk by playing in a bowl game. Please. No football player can be successful at the highest level if he’s scared he’s going to get hurt in a game. College football is the FOUNDATION of what they ultimately end up getting to do for work. It is the cornerstone of how they are going to make their millions. And bowl games are the essence of the sport. Play in the damn bowl game like everyone before them did. Like Deshaun Watson did.

Back in the day, on super rainy days me and my buddies would walk into Stanford Stadium through the open south gate and go play mud football on the field. I can’t remember how *illegal* it was. We never got in trouble, I think a groundskeeper might have told us to leave once or twice. But we would still get a solid hour or so to play on the field of our childhood heroes.

Deshaun Watson is the man…..

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  1. wilcojoe said, on January 10, 2017 at 6:59 am

    Keep in mind that Watson is only a junior, whereas the others you mentioned are seniors. Not to mention Watson was playing in a National Championship game and every bowl game outside of the CFP playoff is pretty much irrelevant nowadays.

    You guys see that Mitch Trubisky declared for the draft? I think this guy is a legit NFL QB. He plays in a pro style system so the transition won’t be as difficult as it is for most college QB’s today. If I am the Niners, he’s my guy.

    • Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:02 am

      whoever the Niners take, it’s just gonna be a crap shoot. As Chuck said last night, the way the college game is played it’s anyone’s guess how a QB will transfer to NFL. Trubinski? Sure, whatever. I’d probably wait a round and take Watson but we wouldn’t come to blows arguing this.

    • chipower9 said, on January 10, 2017 at 2:41 pm

      Watson is a junior but graduated after three years. So in comparison to others, he is a senior (dude will be in the draft next year).

  2. Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:00 am

    this made me laugh out loud.
    D.J. Short ‏@djshort 18m18 minutes ago
    Albert Pujols, who turns 37 next week, still has five years and $140 million remaining on his contract with the Angels.

  3. Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:03 am

    Also, McCaffrey is a junior, he could have still played at Stanford next season.

    • wilcojoe said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:49 am

      Jesus, it seems like he has been around forever.

  4. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:37 am

    Hell to the NO on Trubinski. He’s Blaine Gabbert in sheeps cllothing. I’d take Mike Williams in a heartbeat. We’ll get Josh Rosen in 2018 if we tank one more year.

  5. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:39 am

    I could even see us trade down to get Watson. He’s a risk as well but much more upside than Trubinski

  6. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:41 am

    And yeah I don’t think Watson makes it to the 2nd round but if we got Williams in the 1st I’d risk waiting.

  7. djloo27 said, on January 10, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Happy 79th, Willie McCovey!

  8. willedav said, on January 10, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Be great if Willie Mac could live to see another one, as in ring ceremony and parade.

  9. snarkk said, on January 10, 2017 at 11:22 am

    BF, I can’t believe you are seriously comparing risking millions to play in the national champ game to playing in the Sun Bowl…

    • willedav said, on January 10, 2017 at 11:38 am

      To me the principle is the same–he bailed on his teammates (none of the rest of whom thought it was meaningless) for his own selfish interest. Hey fine, knock yourself out. But remember, the Warriors first round pick, Damian Jones, tore a pec working out and missed 6 months. Is Mac gonna live in a cave?

  10. zumiee said, on January 10, 2017 at 11:57 am

    In the ESPN documentary about the “Fab Five,” there’s a moment in the film when the players talk about when their perspective really changed. They were walking around a downtown area, and they saw a sporting goods store that was selling Michigan jerseys with their numbers on them. They thought of all that money getting raked in by the stores, and none of it was going to them, the players.
    I would never think less of a college player deciding to go pro as soon as possible. Or skipping a bowl game that wasn’t part of the national championship tourney, in order to avoid serious injury, and losing draft status.
    I like watching college sports, but the players are in an exploited situation. The TV money has gotten so big. And, as many have mentioned, it’s ridiculous that so many Stanford football and Cal football home games are night games now, because of TV contracts. Those should always be day games in the beautiful Fall weather in the Bay Area, one of the best times of the year in the Bay Area.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 12:44 pm

      There’s a quote by C.S. Lewis that goes like this, “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.” My opinion is that any player who cites the “exploitation by the schools” making money off of the players performance and decides to sit out a bowl game, INCLUDING the Championship Tourney, is all right in my book with one condition – his integrity can’t be questioned for other aspects of his life, e.g., he dedicates his life to doing well in his school studies, treats his family, friends, and others with respect. In short, this person consistently lives what C.S. Lewis said about integrity.

      Please explain how such a person can be questioned for making such a decision. I don’t see it.

  11. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    Shit, if you get hurt early in your college career, you stand the chance of losing your scholarship if you can’t play anymore. If your injury lingers, it’s on the kid.

    I’m not behind McCaffery’s decision, but I totally get it. You have to wonder how many kids get waylaid playing college sports.

    Wonder if his hot shot younger brother Dylan (Mighigan’s upcoming QB) will do the same.

  12. Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    I don’t think it’s as simple as saying ” comparing risking millions to play in the national champ game to playing in the Sun Bowl…”
    Take out an insurance policy if you’re that worried about getting hurt. Bowl games are the cornerstone of college football. If you don’t want to play in bowl games try not playing college football and see if you can make it to the NFL. In my opinion there is an inherent commitment you make to your teammates to play to the end of the season. When you get a free ride to play college ball and then use that ride to access millions in the pros, I think you play to the end. That’s how I feel.
    I see your point Snarkk, I’m just looking at this differently.

    • gianthead said, on January 10, 2017 at 1:23 pm

      Let’s say you have no money from a poor family, what do you use to pay for that insurance policy? Can the schools or Bowls games buy such insurance or is that violation?

      • Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 1:47 pm

        good Q, I don’t know.

  13. willedav said, on January 10, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    I’m not going to argue the revenue angle, or claim college athletes aren’t exploited, though I do believe there is a very definite advantage they receive in terms of a free education from whatever institute they choose to attend.

    Even in a sport like tennis or wrestling, though matches are individual vs. individual, you are still part of a team.
    Where Mac loses me is that point where he decides he no longer wants to be part of the team even though they are still playing.

    Suppose you are in situation like J Brownridge of Santa Clara mens b-ball. He has potential to play in NBA or overseas. His team sucks, no better than maybe 5th in conference with likely zero shot at post season action.
    He’s team’s best player so most opponents will focus energy on shutting him down completely and driving down his individual stats.
    As with any sport, he could be hurt any time he steps on court—wouldn’t he be better off leaving now in mid season to work on his body/skill building if his only goal is to prepare himself to play professionally? Aren’t the rest of his games in conference play essentially meaningless?
    If you go that route I just don’t know where you draw the line.

    • Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm


    • Macdog said, on January 10, 2017 at 1:56 pm

      Yes, it does seem strange that McCaffrey didn’t shut it down after Oct. 22, a 10-5 loss to Colorado that left Stanford at 4-3 and absolutely no shot at playing in a meaningful bowl game, then played the next five meaningless games before deciding the final bowl game wasn’t worth the risk.

    • snarkk said, on January 10, 2017 at 10:59 pm

      You draw the line where the kid no longer benefits his draft status from more playing, and instead puts the status he has earned at risk by more playing. Depends on each kid’s situation…

  14. Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm

  15. chipower9 said, on January 10, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    I really do not give a flying F whether or not a player decides to play in a bowl game or not. Just isn’t a big enough rock for me to break a pick over.

    Was very happy to see Clemson win…I almost always pull for the underdog if I have no skin in the game (which I did not for this game). What a fucking barnburner down the stretch. Very entertaining!

    Next year, go OU (Oklahoma University). BOOMER SOONER, bitches!

  16. chipower9 said, on January 10, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    34 daze until pitchers and catchers report. Play ball!

  17. blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    To Chi . . . He graduated in 3 years? I love the guy already. Niners need to get this kid.

    • chipower9 said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      Yep. Graduated in three years. I really like the kid, too. Just seems really grounded and down to earth…no showmanship or any of that other bullshit.

      I would go hard after Mike Williams, Clemson’s 6’4″/225 lb. wide-out, first. The dude is a converted basketball player who has a 40″ vertical leap. If you saw the game last night, you know he can go get a ball in traffic.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:34 pm

        I like Williams too (he was fantastic last night). Disagree on the priority though, i.e., Williams would be wasted on the current 49ers QBs IMO.

    • chipower9 said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      One of a few articles on him graduating in three years…


      • blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:43 pm

        Outstanding article. Thank you for sharing. Props to him and these fine young men too:

        “Star LSU tailback Leonard Fournette, a true junior who did not enroll early, is on track to graduate this spring or summer according to LSU officials. UCLA sophomore quarterback Josh Rosen, the potential No. 1 pick in the 2018 draft, is on track to graduate in three years with a degree in economics after enrolling early. Watson’s teammate and close friend, star receiver Artavis Scott, is also graduating in three years.”

        I also love the mention of Alex Smith, who graduated after 3 years at Utah.

  18. zumiee said, on January 10, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    The fact that college players are an exploited work force, IMO, doesn’t mean that I like “one and done” in college basketball. That’s a travesty. A player should at least have to play two seasons in college ball, if they play for a college, before getting drafted. A player, these days, can play one season, and then stop going to classes after the basketball season is over, not even finishing one school year of classes. What a joke. That’s NOT what college athletics was supposed to be. Talk about the ultimate “rent a player.”

  19. Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    • djloo27 said, on January 10, 2017 at 5:01 pm

      So was he trying to throw it out of bounds or not?

      • Flavor said, on January 10, 2017 at 5:06 pm

        Nah. Just putting it where only one guy had a chance to get it.

      • unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 6:28 pm

        They ran that play in practice so no.

  20. wilcojoe said, on January 10, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    Regarding the insurance policy for college athletes. The NCAA has an insurance policy with a payout amount of $10 million but the player has to be deemed to be “totally disabled” meaning he can never play again at the professional level. Their is a $90,000 deductible but that can be premium financed.

    So if a player tears his ACL, and as a result drops from the first round to the 7th round, he gets squat.

  21. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    The players are cannon fodder. Like I said many lose their scholarships if they get hurt and can’t play. And end up footing the once out.

  22. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    Love to get Rosen next year

  23. blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    “Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.”

    Looks like Trump’s pal, Putin is about to corn pole him. Bend over bitch. Can’t wait . . . Hilarious.

  24. snarkk said, on January 10, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    I am all for college players sticking it to the man whenever and wherever possible. Because the coaches and athletic department don’t give a rats ass about them. They are just revenue producing assets. And, more will be coming. So, when one is permanently hurt and can’t earn in the NFL, tough toenails. Onto the next unpaid worker bee, so the coach can build his resume on that bee’s back — and the Coach can bolt in mid-contract to the next offer of a better job…

    • snarkk said, on January 10, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      BTW, until just recently, college athletic scholarships were not guaranteed for 4 years. It was year to year, play to pay. So, the big schools could cut a kid’s scholarship after any year, if the coach brought in better players. After congressional hearings, the Power 5 conferences barely passed a rule guaranteeing the 4 years. All other conferences still have the non-guarantee. So, a kid can commit, get one year scholarship, then get jettisoned by the coach. So, yet another reason why I’m all for the kids to drop out of bowl games if they have a shot at a draft payday…

  25. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    Blade, to be specific:

    1. Russian operatives claim to be in possession of compromising personal and financial information about America’s president-elect. (The former “information” allegedly includes a video tape of Trump watching several Russian sex workers urinate on the bed the Obamas slept in at the Ritz Carlton in Moscow).

    2. There was a continuous exchange of information between Trump surrogates and “intermediaries for the Russian government” throughout the 2016 campaign. Allegedly, the Russians had been cultivating Trump for five years; he supposedly fed them information about Russian oligarchs in return for information from “moles in the DNC” and Russian hackers. Trump’s ex-campaign manager Paul Manafort, his ex-foreign policy advisor Carter Page and his lawyer Michael Cohen are named as intermediaries. The Guardian reports that the FBI applied for a warrant from the FISA court to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of making contacts with Russian officials, but it was rejected.

    No idea if this is true, but come on. Golden showers for Trump? I love it.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 9:20 pm

      I would love for that to come out in the NY Times . . . umm, let’s say the day after his inauguration.

  26. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 10, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    Most Americans don’t really seem bothered by the treasonous nature of Trump’s connection to Russia. But golden showers? Yeah, that, ala Clinton’s cigar, might ruffle some hypocritical feathers.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 10:03 pm

      Nope. Openly talking about trying to bag a married woman and the pussy grabbing stuff didn’t seem to hurt any.

  27. unca_chuck said, on January 10, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    I think this is in front of Bay Meadows.

  28. blade3colorado said, on January 10, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    Wow! The “golden showers” story is already in Newsweek. lulz.

  29. snarkk said, on January 10, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    Trump may be lucky to last until the mid term elections without getting impeached and removed. The Repubs undoubtedly want black hearted Pence to be president more than Trump…

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