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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 17, 2017

Today was either gonna be a poll or a haiku. Not in a very creative or introspective mood so it’s gonna be a poll. I recognize the Giants probably aren’t considering any of these 3 players and it’s possible that Bautista is re-signing with the Blue Jays as I type this. But just to get a sense of where the Flappers stand on left field, if you had to pick one of these 3 guys, who would it be….

And if none of those 3 tickle your backside, write up a haiku and enter it in the comment section…..

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  1. Bozo said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:49 am

    I think haikus suck.
    Don’t like this five seven five.
    Give me McCutchen.

    • Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:01 am

      first one and probably unbeatable.

    • chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:08 am

      Awesome, John. Better than my haiku. I don’t have a problem with haikus…and certainly chose that over one of the three selections above.

  2. Bozo said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:16 am

    If I’m understanding the competitive balance rule correctly, since this would be the Giants 3rd consecutive year over the threshold, the Giants would have to add a 50 percent surcharge to each contractual agreement
    So a $10 mil contract would cost us $15 mil? If thats right, I say fuck the FAs, just let it play out until the deadline and then make a trade if we have to.

  3. willedav said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:38 am

    None of the above obviously. Joey Bats is fine in the AL like all the others. There is a reason no one has signed any of them–yes they have power but just don’t hit well enough over all to justify middle order of a LU, esp in NL.

    Meanwhile, how about The Block part 2, with LBJ as the recipient this time? I was really skeptical of Durant coming in as nothing more than a gunner looking for shots and the ppg. But he is unselfish passer who sets up others, rebounds and block shots. As Art Blakey said of his band, the message is being delivered.

  4. blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:23 am

    Do I have to? All of those guys are disasters in left field. Sheesh, I think one of them has never even played the position before (but can’t recall which one). Nope. Not going to vote. Made that mistake voting for Jill Stein. and look what happened.

    • chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:09 am

      T-up a haiku then, brother.

  5. willedav said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Bautista is repped by one Jay Alou of Octagon agency. No idea where he falls in family line, but Jesus used to be known as Jay in the papers, who didn’t want a headline to read, “Jesus saves Giants” according to legend.
    Felipe, btw had 4 wives and 11 children and one of them was also an agent at one time Christia.

    I’ve said this one before, but imo story of the Alous would make fantastic book. Obviously, chasing down entire family might be exhausting but I think it would be great to hear how they got started, different experiences in ml ball as players and those around them.

    • chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:10 am

      Agree, WillieD. I would buy that book.

  6. Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:42 am

    Pretty funny Blade….
    Ok, how about this poll: Would you prefer the hybrid of Mac/Pac over any of the 3 guys in the poll? Forget what they would cost, if you could magically install Bautista/Trumbo/orBruce on to the Giants, would you still prefer the Mac/Park hybrid?

    • blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:56 am

      If money was not a factor a la what Clown said earlier – I would go with Trumbo. He’s younger and has the edge over both Bruce and Bautista, as he has played left field way more than both of them, especially Bruce.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:01 am

        One other thing – besides Bautista ONLY being a couple of years younger than Methuselah’s 969, he also plays in a hitters park (many who consider it as good or better than Sherpa Field and the Cincy bandbox). Bruce? He didn’t do jack last season.

      • Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:32 am

        my choice is Trumbo.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:04 am

      By the by, what’s your choice?

  7. mrsprtdude said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Nope

  8. willedav said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:57 am

    OK poll part 2: I think the potential for .750 OPS value is there with Mac Parker and I doubt you would get much more than that out of the others and they’d each cost $10-15 mil. Neither look like great OFs, but again with small sample size it’s hard to tell. Either one imo could give you 15-20 HRs, not far under what you’d get from Bruce or Trumbo. I think they could grow into better hitters given time. And as Bozo said, if it didn’t work out and you needed another OF/Pence got hurt again or sucked, deal would have to be made.

    The others of course aren’t very good either defensively, and Trumbo would be a disaster anywhere except 1b. Mac of course did injure himself trying to come in on a ball and make sliding grab in LF. I wish they could pry Martinez out of Detroit but guess that ain’t happening.

    • willedav said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:07 am

      sorry about adding in cost. I just don’t like any of those guys as a short or long term solution. I’d give the kids a chance and see what you have. I think .750 OPS is very doable from either or in platoon and doubt Trumbo or Bruce do more.

      Fun Fact: The Giants scout who signed Felipe (for $200!) screwed up his name, which is actually Rojas on the Dad side and not Alou which is Mom’s maiden name and added on the end by Hispanic families. Pitcher Mel Rojas is a cousin.

      • unca_chuck said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:45 am

        Mel Rojas Jr is currently in the Pirates org . . .

  9. chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:57 am

    Only 27 daze until pitchers and catchers report…play ball!

  10. alleykat69 said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:02 am

    They might even go on the cheap and look at Brandon Moss( yeah I know his numbers suck but he does hit his share of bombs)

  11. chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:06 am

    I don’t like any of the three choices, so here is my haiku, with my choice:

    My Vote for Outfield
    Is J D Martinez, Spitz
    What Says SabEvans

  12. blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Fuck Trump and Trumbo
    Give me JD Martinez
    Giants win it all

    • willedav said, on January 17, 2017 at 12:17 pm

      Flap haiku HOF.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 1:03 pm

        Thanks Willie 🙂

    • chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      Pure Platinum! I suck at haikus!

      • blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm

        Usually I do too. Trump inspired me. Ha.

      • chipower9 said, on January 17, 2017 at 2:17 pm

        Inspiration from Trump?! WTF…I did not think it was possible. 😉

  13. zumiee said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:49 am

    “Made that mistake voting for Jill Stein.”

    Yeah, I voted for Nader in 2000.
    As someone later said: the GREEN Party stands for “Getting Republicans Elected Every November.”
    Ouch.

  14. zumiee said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Speaking of voting- it’s painful listening to some of the Hall of Fame voters explain the logic of their votes. They are all over the map, each person making some convoluted reasoning for their picks, creating all this angst and blather about the baseball Hall of Fame. Basketball and football just quietly elect players every year into their Hall of Fames, but somehow baseball has turned their’s into an act of Congress every year, with all kinds of mindnumbing hype, posturing, and ridiculousness.
    The greatest example was them waiting for Ron Santo to die, and THEN voting him into the Hall of Fame. Death improved his stats apparently, somehow.

    • zumiee said, on January 17, 2017 at 12:01 pm

      “Hey, Ron, you finally made it into the Hall of Fame! Oh….that’s right, you’re dead.”

  15. blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    This is out of left field (hahaha), but some dude at Bleacher Report (7 of 11 slide) is suggesting that the Giants may be interested in Brett Gardner. Loo? Mac? Pawlie? Me? I think way too much money is owed to him and at his age, that could come back to bite us.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2686945-mlb-trade-rumors-top-potential-landing-spots-for-players-still-on-the-block/page/7

    • Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      I’ve heard this rumor before and I’d take him in a nano second. He’s another guy that would hit a shit load of triples for us. And his deal remaining is basically the deal we gave Span and he’d give us a lot more than The Invisible so I would trade for him without hesitation.

  16. Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    • zumiee said, on January 17, 2017 at 3:39 pm

      A lot of voters changed their minds after Selig got in. The Czar of the Steroid Era.

      • snarkk said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:57 pm

        Kilion and Cohn will never vote for Bonds. Of 17 ESPN writers with a HOF vote, 5 players got more votes than Bonds, but he got over the 75% minimum in that sample size. How the writers know that those 5 never ever used steroids is a question I’d like answered. Tim Raines was one of 5, he did a lot of coke, admittedly, and said he carried a gram of coke in his uniform during games, and used it during games. I guess that didn’t help him run faster, or keep awake after a long roadie, so he could take 4 ABs in a night game. The HOF voting is ludicrous…

  17. Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    White Shark to Dbacks

  18. blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    Willie McCovey was one of 273 people to be pardoned or have their sentences commuted by President Barack Obama today. Who knew?

  19. unca_chuck said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    Tax evasion? never heard that. He should pardon Chuck Berry 17 times.

    • djloo27 said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      I remember him and Duke Snider getting nailed for not reporting card show income, but that was ages ago…

  20. unca_chuck said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    Zoom, the NFL is no great shakes either. Tim Brown should have gotten in a lot earlier. Certainly Kenny Stabler got hosed. He should have been alive when he got in.

    • djloo27 said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      The original Tim Brown was really awesome, too:

  21. Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t really give a shit about HOF’s though I understand why the players do. I’m more interested in reading over and memorizing historic stats than I am seeing some bad rendition of someone’s head in a museum. Having said that, I’ve never been to a HOF. Can’t imagine ever going tho

    • djloo27 said, on January 17, 2017 at 6:29 pm

      I’m on record as saying I was bored to death at Cooperstown when I went in 1981.

      Aside from the Yankees, I wonder if any other baseball team ever won 3 WS under the same president…

  22. alleykat69 said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Damm if we had that stud closer at the deadline last year,we could of easily won that 4th W/S under the Obama Plan(a good plan well at least for winning championships)
    Doubt any franchise even the Yanks could claim that distinction.

  23. snarkk said, on January 17, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Cooperstown years ago. The museum part of it was great — memorabilia and stories of the various eras of baseball. If you like baseball, you probably enjoy seeing the bats Babe Ruth used, or the glove Koufax used in one of his no-hitters. The HOF part of it is no big deal, busts of guys with caps. You could easily have a photo array, or names on a wall. Baseball is better than the rest of the sports because of its history, its stories, its eccentrics, its greats, its buffoons, its connection with American history. The sport is far far bigger than its HOF, and that’s why this annual HOF nonsense should be separated from the game itself. Seriously, there’s only one or two players a year, or maybe none in a year, that are HOFers? It’s a joke, it is now a frat with blackball rules made up willy nilly by the individual voters…

    • Flavor said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:06 pm

      i sat there looking at the yes and no’s from that list of Bonds voters and “willy nilly” is about the best thing you can say about it. Writers should have nothing to do with the voting. I don’t know who should vote but it shouldn’t be the disheveled guy with popcorn scattered all over his lap who has an axe to grind with the players who snubbed him after the game.

  24. snarkk said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    The HOF should change to more objective measures, scrap this writer vote, I agree with BF. For example, the Golf HOF requires that a meal or female candidate have at least 15 lifetime wins in righteous regular PGA, Euro Tour and other major tour circuits, OR a minimum of two Major championships. After that, the selection committee of golf lifers including ex players, not just golf writers, evaluates the qualified nominees and votes. You could have objective categories for baseball HOF qualifiers – like 2500 hits, 500 saves for relievers, 200 wins for pitchers, whatever it is. They’re in automatically. Others can be voted in for a totality of career marks by a mix of writers, ex players, and industry execs. This totally bogus voting system with virtually limitless blackball reasons specific to each writer is just insane, plus they can only vote for 10 names. Bonds no doubt insulted Anne Killion on multiple occasions, which she’ll never forget or forgive. So, she blackballs him forever. He insulted plenty of others, they don’t let that affect their vote. Total nonsense…

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    Silent off-season
    Waiting for another bat
    Left field, or left out…

  26. blade3colorado said, on January 17, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Last season, the Panda reported to spring training out of shape, lost his job, went 0-for-6 with four strikeouts and one busted belt buckle, and had season-ending shoulder surgery in May. Multiple choice . . .

    A. He blows those stats out of the water by batting 3 for 6 with 3 strikeouts and no busted belt buckle and has season ending hamate bone surgery (they find another one).

    B. He reports to spring training looking like Adonis, but is suspended after his first drug test of the season . . . The rest of his season, he gains weight (again) and has one busted belt buckle.

    C. He consults with Big Papi in the off season, where Big Papi tells him his secret “Age 40 formula w/the Secret Sauce” which resulted in him leading the majors with 48 doubles, 87 extra-base hits, 1.021 OPS, .315 BA, 38 home runs and drawing 80 walks against only 86 strikeouts.

    D. None of the above.

  27. djloo27 said, on January 17, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    I think ‘B ‘is a very real possibility, Blade…

    If Nixon hadn’t resigned in August ’74, the A’s would have matched the Giants presidential 3-feat.
    Looks like the Cards did it during FDR’s 4 terms. That’s not fair…

    • Macdog said, on January 17, 2017 at 10:38 pm

      Boston Red Sox won three times during Woodrow Wilson’s two terms.

  28. mrsprtdude said, on January 17, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    am I remembering right that Slusser used to berate Bonds in her reporting and said she would never vote for him?

    • snarkk said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm

      I heard her tonight on sportstalk radio of A’s station. She changed her tune for undefined reasons, other than something like changing circumstances with the HOF vote. This came under a discussion where the HOF golden handshake to the Budster was discussed. So, that’s probably what changed her mind. She was still adamant that Bonds had been a ‘roider. But, she was practically gushy that Ivan Rodriguez deserved to go in, even though she acknowledged there were rumors about him ‘roiding. These writers seem to figure they can decide who used ‘roids and who didn’t — and if you used, you’re out. I wouldn’t want them on any jury deciding my fate…

  29. snarkk said, on January 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    Prince Jed and Paraag must have interviewed Cable just to get a shot at interviewing the two Seattle guys in the FO for the GM job, see what they had to say. The Cable interview they probably figured was a trial balloon to see how bad the media and fan reaction would be to a potential HC in Cable. It was pretty bad…


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