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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 27, 2017

New thread for the sake of a new thread. Horse racing question: Who you guys got tomorrow in the Pegasus World Cup? I recognize I’m talking to like 3 or 4 people here and at least one of them is banned from the site.

I am of the opinion that Espinoza gave Chrome a pretty bad ride in the Classic. Should have fired him earlier and not spent so much time looking over his shoulder like a crack addict.

But if Arrogate wins, I’ll give him the knowing dude head nod.

No one else has a chance.

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  1. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 8:19 am

    Only 18 daze until pitchers and catchers report. Baseball is in the air, boys! WHOOP!

  2. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 8:24 am

    Back to a couple of comments from yesterday’s thread.

    First, Blade says he will be back in April (will have to nail-down dates). I think it would be cool to get as many Flappers as possible to meet at the yard for a game. Flapalooza, baby!

    April homestands: 10-16 vs. D-Backs and Rox. 24-30 vs. bambinos and Friars.

    Also, thanks Blade for the article yesterday on Matt Imhoff. Great read, brother.

  3. willedav said, on January 27, 2017 at 8:36 am

    No idea how to upload it here but just saw article on Big League Stew on the Giants Korean guy. He said on advice from teammates he is going away from batflips over here.
    However the article shows him with about 20 of them in KBO league, where I guess this is prevalent anyway.

    Off to work, maybe talk more about this later.

  4. giants54 said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:15 am

  5. giants54 said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:17 am

    I’ll be rooting for Chrome, but I think Arrogate is just the better horse.

  6. zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:19 am

    A style of horse-racing that didn’t really catch on:

  7. Bozo said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:27 am

    ” I recognize I’m talking to like 3 or 4 people here and at least one of them is banned from the site.”

    Cracked me up.

    Speaking of horse racing, the New Orleans Jazz fest lineup came out today (The festival is held on the race track fairgrounds). They listed a ton of stuff that I’ll want to check out, one for sure will be an 81 year old Herb Alpert. The guy is still blowing, gotta love that…

    • chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      Holy shit…I remember listening to Herb Albert as a kid…my parents had a number of his albums. Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass…

      • Bozo said, on January 27, 2017 at 1:08 pm

        Me too Chi, he’s 81 and still blowing a trumpet, I have to check that out.
        Here is the link if you’re interested in the 2017 lineup.

  8. alleykat69 said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:49 am

    Herb can blow a mean trumpet 🎺!
    Lonely Bull album was great.

    • Bozo said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:57 am

      Yeah kat, and the Whipped Cream album cover is still one of my favorites.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on January 27, 2017 at 11:03 am

        It’s possible I brought the album into the bathroom as a teenager.

      • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2017 at 11:41 am

        Who didn’t?

  9. pawliekokonuts said, on January 27, 2017 at 11:02 am

    Loo? Help.

    • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2017 at 11:40 am

      • Bozo said, on January 27, 2017 at 11:47 am

        Ask and Loo delivers.

  10. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    I don’t know jack-shit about thoroughbred racing, so I am definitely NOT one of those “3 or 4,” but I have to pull for California Chrome.

  11. alleykat69 said, on January 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm

    I like the miniature horses 🐴, they run on a short track as well..

  12. gianthead said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Glad I missed the ridiculous sky is falling Chicken Little comments on the Flap yesterday. May I just suggest that the man has been President for just over a week. To think the world is ending is just plain childish ranting by the group at large. My Trump views have been clear here on the Flap for the last year, but if you all think that after a week (with a rebounding stock market that I am sure Blade is taking advantage of) somehow Hitler and the Third Reich has arisen is just nonsensical. No budgets have passed, no tax reform bills have passed, we only have had the national security oriented Cabinet confirmed so far. I was not a fan of Obama and I did not rant like you guys after week one. I gave the guy a year or so. Regardless of how one feels about Obama, the growth rate has stayed 2% or so for the entries 8 years, national debt over $20 trillion, annual deficits still over $1 trillion a year and after 8 years of Obama, you can’t blame Bush any longer.

    If after 6 quarters, middle of next year, things are not much better with job growth, economic growth closer to 4%, tax reform not done, then bash away, but after a week? Common sense suggests to give him a chance…and good luck taking back either the House or Senate in 2018. And enjoy your next Conservative Supreme Court nominee and hopefully we get 2-3 more in the next 8 years…Giant Head drops the mic…

    • chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:23 pm

      LMAO. I thought our hateful rhetoric had scared you off, brother. I am glad, at least, that you are a Giant fan. 😉

      I could comment and rebut, but don’t have the time, and this is not the venue. I will say that strictly on his nominations, and some of the things he has “said he will do,” I already seriously dislike the guy and his prospective cabinet. My guess is the repubs step all over their dicks in the next year or so, and the democrats take back control of congress, and the orange-haired maniac is relegated to being a lame duck (one can only hope). Chi throws the mic against the wall, shattering it into a kazillion bits.

      • gianthead said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:41 pm

        I’ll check back with you Chi the day after the November election. There are only a handful of competitive House seats and Senate Dems have so many more seats to defend. You will likely see more Repubs elected…hah! But of course I did not think Trump would win…but I am on a personal vaca to Florida so if I don’t get back to you all, I am getting drunk and trying to get a suntan before starting the new gig Tuesday…

  13. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    Off to pick-up a friend and then to mid-town Sac for cocktails and grub prior to a Lucinda Williams concert tonight. Make it an awesome weekend, FU.

  14. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Yup, I remember that album. My mom liked him. I had no idea til recently he started A&M recoirds.

    I bveg to differ, GH. Rick Perry in charge of the nukes is not a sane choice.

    A fast food guy in charge of labor?

    A voucher pusher in charge of public schools?

    A climate change denier and oil lobbyist in charge of the EPA?

    He’s picking people that either don’t know what they are doing, or are against the things they are running.

    • zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:11 pm

      Which is their whole point. The GOP intentionally wrecks government to prove that government doesn’t work. Does that sound sane? Of course not, but that’s what we’re stuck with. And a lot of them are religious fundamentalist who aren’t really all that different from the Taliban on a lot of issues.

      • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:25 am

        6 quarters Zumiee…and of course a life time of conservative jurists…”I am loving it….”

  15. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    BTW GH, do you know Bill Hagerty? My niece is childhood friends with his wife. Met him a couple times over the years.

    • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:26 am

      Don’t know the name, any reference to where he works?

    • unca_chuck said, on January 28, 2017 at 8:42 am

      He heads the transition team.

  16. zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    Whatever, GH. Trump has already done a lot of damage to our nation with his anti-science cabal, and more to come. Trump’s presidency will be a disaster, and that may be the easiest thing to ever predict on the Flap.
    No offense, but the “a rebounding stock market” line is ridiculous. The DOW went from about 9,000-19,700 during Obama’s presidency. But, oh yeah, those next 350 during the Trump presidency are the key.
    My prediction: a recession a year from now, and the stock market in big sell-off mode. The first Trump budget will be a disaster to the economy. The math won’t add up, and that will lead to the recession. Cut taxes, and increase military spending and build a wall and add to infrastructure. Massive cuts to social programs, which are actually jobs, and you’ll have a bunch of people who can’t afford to buy much, which will cause businesses to have layoffs. That’s how the last few recessions have worked. And then Democrats get elected to clean up the mess, and the whole cycle starts over.
    But we’ll see. Maybe I’ll get proved wrong, but I doubt it.

    • snarkk said, on January 27, 2017 at 6:57 pm

      With U zum…

    • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:31 am

      Of course the market did rebound with Obama but pre-2008 crash, it was in the 14,000 range if I can remember top of my head. But growth stuck at 2% or less the whole 8 years, so the economic benefits for the last 8 years were for those at the top of the food chain, whom I thought the Obama/Dems/Flappers were angry about. Why did Obama’s policies only/primarily been fit the rich?

      Say this about Trump, he ran as an economic populist (which I oppose) and has begun his Administration policies in that direction. His focus is non the working class, and outside of Obamacare, how did that working class fare under Obama?

      • giants54 said, on January 28, 2017 at 10:16 am

        Sorry, but you’re a fucking moron.

  17. zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    I guess one of the few positives in the coming recession is that MLB ticket prices will have to come down.

    • zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:31 am

      Baseball salaries going down???? I don’t think so, so good luck on those ticket prices..

  18. blade3colorado said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    I hate to say it Chi, but GH is right about the Congress. However you vote on election day, you would probably like to know that your vote at least counts. But for more Americans than ever, that’s less and less likely to be the case. In 1995, states from North Carolina to Arizona have been carved up into biased voting districts, in a process called “gerrymandering.” Basically, since that time, gerrymandering has been on steroids – mostly in the Republicans favor. GH can be snarky about it, but the unfair practice, is one of many in the Republicans quiver to to suppress the vote, e.g., Voter identification

    So what is it? Let’s jump back to 1812. The governor of Massachusetts, Elbridge Gerry, signed into law a “redistricting” plan, one that carved his political opponents into voting districts where they would have less ability to win. And on a map, the new districts looked like a salamander. A local newspaper combined the words Gerry and salamander, and today we have “gerrymander.”

    By the by, I totally disagree with you GH . . . Seven days in and I can safely say with confidence, this lying sack of shit is incompetent. Oh, regarding my stock gains? I’m fairly confident that would have happened regardless of who was in there – I’m that confident in my stock picking. Regardless, I’ve proven I could give 2 shits about how I have benefited, by writing ALL of my Colorado representatives, as well as a few outside our State (Lindsay Graham for example).

    • zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:20 pm

      I was aware that gerrymandering was named after a guy named Gerry, but I didn’t know it was from that long ago. I thought it was from the 20th century. Very interesting, although sad and anger-inducing, also.

      • blade3colorado said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:23 pm

        Yeah, the result for this asshole was effective too. Governor Gerry successfully confined his opposition’s supporters into districts where they were either in the stark minority (diffusing their influence) – or where they were the overwhelming majority (consolidating their influence). Either way, it meant Gerry’s opponents had less sway over the election.

      • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:57 am

        And of course Gov. GERRY…Democrat!!!

        Was known as Democrats-Republican party but that was evolved into Andrew Jackson’s Democratic Party that has stayed in existence since. Of course the opposing Federalist dissolved into fractured groups like the Whigs and then the birth of the modern Republican Party with the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860…

    • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:40 am

      Blade, if you think Republicans are to blame for gerrymandering I am having a good laugh (on vacation in Florida and in a good mood anyway). I arrived in DC in 1993, the Democrats had been in the majority in the House for the previous 51 years….I did not stutter, 51 yeaes and outside of 6 years in the 80s, I believe (top of my head) the Senate was in Dem hands for 45 of those years.

      I’m top of that, the entire lobbying establishment was dominated and controlled by Democrats. You don’t think that in those 50 years they used their power to control congressional efforts at redistricting and getting money to their candidates? Also, the strong majority of states in those 50 years were Democratic party dominated and they would write the congressional lines.

      Thanks to Obama? Republicans have now captured the vast majority of governorships and state legislatures to maintain control of Congressional lines during redistricting that will be done of the 2020 census…mmmmmmhhaaaahhhaaa…that is the Giant Head wicked evil mind-controlling laugh…

  19. zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    The actress that played Della Street on the Perry Mason Show, and the actor that played Mannix both died today. And how many of you knew they were still alive? None of you! Admit it! Me neither.

  20. Macdog said, on January 27, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    As someone in the newspaper biz, we will NOT shut up.

    • blade3colorado said, on January 27, 2017 at 5:57 pm

      Thumbs up John!

    • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 7:07 am

      Here is a fact Macdog…and Blade and Chi and Zumiee and Snarkk…there probably has not been an Administration as anti-press as Barack Obama’s since Nixon.

      Obama tried to prosecute two reporters, James Risen from NY Times and James Rosen from Fox News, for doing what???? Reporting. Both prosecution efforts were aimed at forcing both reporters to cough up their sources (very un-American Mr. OBAMA). And then the Administration was caught eavesdropping on all Capitol Hill reporters covering the House based on an AP story with had unidentified sources. So this “liberal” Obama Administration then decided to listen to every reporter’s calls covering the House. Where was the CNN, NY Times and MSNBC reports covering this story. Buried in their slobbering Dick Suck of Obama (yes I said it).

      If Trump attempts to do what Obama did, there will (and rightly so) a media howl of protest and calls for impeachment. Why were there none with Obama’s first amendment abuse??? And on top of that, Obama rarely, far less than any modern President, gave press conferences. Just like Hillary may have given one or two press conferences during her entire candidacy. 0

      • gianthead said, on January 28, 2017 at 7:08 am

        Now I going to the pool!!!

  21. zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    The actor John Hurt has passed away. People need to stop dying. I wish I could make it so.

    • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:46 pm


      • zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:17 pm

        No man is an island,
        Entire of itself,
        Every man is a piece of the continent,
        A part of the main.
        If a clod be washed away by the sea,
        Europe is the less.
        As well as if a promontory were.
        As well as if a manor of thy friend’s
        Or of thine own were.
        Any man’s death diminishes me,
        Because I am involved in mankind,
        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
        It tolls for thee.

  22. blade3colorado said, on January 27, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    Interesting column about 10 MLB prospects facing a “do or die” situation, insofar as their development. Yep, you guessed it – one of the 10 is Kyle Crick:

    2012: No. 8 SF prospect
    2013: No. 1 SF prospect, No. 66 MLB prospect
    2014: No. 1 SF prospect, No. 33 MLB prospect
    2015: No. 3 SF prospect
    2016: No. 27 SF prospect

    Here’s the article . . . http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2689273-10-mlb-prospects-facing-make-or-break-spring-trainings?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mlb

  23. snarkk said, on January 27, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    The level of leaks coming outta Drumpf’s admin about his clueless rants and moves is astonishing. His own people are trying to shackle the idiot. He’s already managed to piss off the Mexicans, which he intended to do. If his presidency results in even a minor disaster for the country, I’ll be shocked. He has me wishing for the glory days of Teicky Dick…

    • snarkk said, on January 27, 2017 at 7:07 pm

      Tricky. Back to my Track 7 “Panic” IPA at the pub…

      • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:26 pm

        I would take Murphy’s Oil Soap over IPA…

    • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      Good for him. Why aren’t you sick of being walked on?
      The “ideals” that this country was founded on haven’t been relevant for ages….

  24. willedav said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    bottom line, blue state Calif works. Economy would be one of world’s best on its own and is booming.
    ACA provided reasonable rate care for millions. New plan will be great for the rich and healthy(like everything else Republican), everyone else no. Even better if you took out profit margins of insurers but opposite likely to happen now.
    They protect the environment in which they live, not destroy it with fossil fuels like coal. Even the Chinese are down on that stuff.
    Jobs? Unemp is about 3%. I walk down street where I work, now hiring signs everywhere.
    there is also thriving share economy. Restaurant workers and others use it to supplement income.
    More jobs created here than any other state including Texas.
    Wall? Immigration has been dropping for years from Mexico and is actually reversing.
    there is also tolerance for diversity. Californians are well aware of the ignominy of WW2 when racist hysteria vs. one ethnic group led to loyalty oaths and internment for the innocent Japanese.
    Instead of knocking this great state. clueless should be taking notes.

    • zumiee said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      He’s too stupid. I rarely use the word stupid; but Trump is a stupid man. Had he not been born into a very wealthy family, he’d be some jerk somewhere trying to sell people junky used cars.

    • eddacker said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      Wow – I’m impressed. Excellent rant on modern day California and why it works. Add in zumiee’s view on community and society working together and I have something to feel positive about amidst all the negative news. Thanks Flappers.

      • eddacker said, on January 27, 2017 at 10:39 pm

        note to PK: I used amidst correctly in a sentence.

    • Flavor said, on January 28, 2017 at 7:03 am

      great post.

  25. blade3colorado said, on January 28, 2017 at 8:17 am

    This explains Peter (Giant Head) and all Trump voters:


    I jest . . . I jest. 🙂

  26. willedav said, on January 28, 2017 at 8:30 am

    Herb Alpert was in town near where I work over the summer, with the Mrs., vocalist Lani Hall as noted on Bozo list of Nola fest artists. Not sure what style of music he performs nowadays but she was once singer with Sergio Mendes.

    Tremendous LU that is. Haven’t heard much from Los Van Van, great band from Cuba, since the loss of founder and bass player Juan Formell.

    • Bozo said, on January 28, 2017 at 11:19 am

      willie, did you check out all of those bands they’ve invited over from Cuba? Stevie Wonder’s set was rained out last year so they’re having him back, the original Meters are back for it, Buddy Guy, Rhiannon Giddens is back, all of my favorite local/Louisiana players etc…My wife and I had been talking about only doing one week (becoming an annual discussion) but once again, we’ve already started making plans for both. It’s about a 17 hour drive for us that we usually break up into two days. This year should be interesting because we’re giving a ride to an 80+ year old friend of ours from Lafayette, so he can visit his sister. Yeah you right, more time in Cajun Country means more boudin for me, yee haw.
      Let me know if you decide to go.

      • xoot said, on January 28, 2017 at 11:25 pm

        Buddy Guy’s always great. Ms Giddens sure got my attention with the Carolina Chocolate Drops and since. And Alabama Shakes is earth shaking. The hundred other virtuosos playing should be good too. helluva retirement you have going there Bozo.

  27. unca_chuck said, on January 28, 2017 at 8:53 am

    The thing about the slow growth under Obama that GH refers to leads directly to Mitch McConnell. He and Boehner killed around 150 jobs and infrastructure bills that would have helped the middle class immensely.

    The ‘American Carnage’ line from the inauguration is funny as fuck when you see what Obama had to deal with when he came to power. This is a laughingstock line from a man who lives in an alternate reality.

    What I find also real funny is that when a Democrat does something like MENTION gun control the ‘Constitutionalists’ scream bloody murder. But when Trump actually limits press access and limits immigration (both unconstitutional) not a peep.

    Listen to the interview from Wednesday night and it’s like listening to a 6 year old explain the meaning of life.

    He is not merely stupid, he’s mentally unbalanced. And he’s surrounding himself with flunkies and billionaires.

  28. zumiee said, on January 28, 2017 at 11:53 am

    The baseball season preview magazines have arrived!!
    I get giddy about this.

  29. snarkk said, on January 28, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    Good vid interview a few years back on Herb Alpert.
    Has given back his success in a ton of cash to support music and arts organizations.
    Overall seems a really talented, cool dude…

  30. alleykat69 said, on January 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Snarkk..Nice clip on Herb Alpert, thanks for posting it. He really is a icon from his heydays and still is involved in quite a few projects and charities! I applaud him with a trumpet 🎺 salute!!

  31. Macdog said, on January 28, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Wow, it’s Arrogate going away.

  32. zumiee said, on January 28, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    Lindy’s magazine picks the Giants to win their division, the Dodgers to be a wild card, and the Nats (!) to go to the World Series vs. Cleveland. The Nats? I don’t see that as a high probability. They’re the KC Chiefs of baseball. You just know they’re going nowhere in the playoffs.

  33. djloo27 said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    This guy not impressed with Giants off-season (loved Dodgers’):


    • blade3colorado said, on January 28, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      I can’t really disagree with his Giants off season analysis. However, that’s only if you think we will not compete for a spot in the playoffs. My point being that I do think we will compete and SabEvans does their best work at the trade deadline . . . not the off season (albeit, give them props for scoring Alphabet, Span and Cueto in the 2015 off season . . . On paper, that was one of the most significant hauls in their history).

    • Macdog said, on January 28, 2017 at 8:36 pm

      Likening the Dodgers re-signing Jansen, Turner and Hill to the Yanks re-signing Rivera, A-Rod and Posada? I didn’t make it past that point.

  34. unca_chuck said, on January 28, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    Yeah, San Diago and AZ recently won the offseason. SD was 74-88 in 2015, AZ was 69-93 last year.

    Not too worried about that at this point. Pittsburgh will be looking for a buyer for McCutcheon.

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